Catching Up on A Pile Of Stuff on Today’s Dividing Line

Greetings welcome to the dividing line. I'm flying deaf today. I can't hear anything so I'm sort of talking really loud or at least I feel like I'm talking really loud. We'll get it fixed eventually. But it's his fault.

He stole he stole he stole parts I think it's for something else I have a feeling it's for something else and he stole parts and then forgot to put it back together again and so I can't hear anything and which means I can't play anything either song.

You have to do other stuff. So we're just gonna have to sort of move around a little bit here today and we'll we'll we'll extract our pound of flesh from the person who took everything apart at a later point in time.

LGBT Revisionism, Human Autonomy, and the Church’s Response

Anyway a couple things that I haven't gotten to recently. I've got so much stuff and there's so many different topics look that it's it's hard to to keep up with everything but one thing I mentioned just very briefly and I guess sort of flows everything else.

I was just having a Twitter conversation with a strange atheist that here I'll I'll be blocking here in a second. Anyways you know because they they they can't keep up with stuff for a very long period of time before they start getting rather nasty.

But anyways I I dared Vicky Beeching post something on Twitter and I responded to it. There's just there is a such a constant drumbeat now of the church owes the gay community an apology and all this is all coming from these people who none of which are theologians know which take the Bible seriously.

None of none of them are involved in serious gospel outreach defense of faith anything like that. But we owe them an apology even though I completely deny there is such thing as a community. I mean just think about what LGBT means just think about all the variations than that you can't build a community on that.

I mean that's a community based upon just general sexual deviation from the norm. That's all it is. I mean that's just I can't even begin to begin to understand that. But yep yep there we go there we go.

Well you know I get the distinct feeling that we will not be skeletonizing our stuff for other things in in the future. I just sort of guess on my part anyway Vicky Beeching actually responded to me and I was able to reply by pointing out rather clearly that this is the this is basic fundamental biblical teaching.

It's it's they want to say that that you know well we don't know. No no no no no no very clear Jesus taught very clearly. You're telling us to abandon Jesus teaching. Well what is all I have to do. Well Dr. Mueller over the past few days has been really talking a lot about and it's it's fascinating the the establishment of human autonomy as the ultimate moral arbiter in Western culture.

If you haven't been listening to the briefing I would highly recommend that you catch up with it. He's talking about you know the death cult. I mean it's a way to put it in the Netherlands. I mean people pushing you know they've brought it down to age 12 age 12 that you can you can kill yourself.

And there are people saying that's there's there's clearly 11 year old nine months that are capable of making this that they want to push it lower. They want 10 year old kids to be able to off themselves.

And I mean it's the death cult. It is just so the the we are seeing now you know we've got generation after generation generation now we have full secularism in those European nations. And what's the result.

Zero view of the value of human life. It's all autonomy. It's all me. Everything's about me. I don't have to worry about family. I don't have to get married. I don't have to have kids. It's about my 401k and it's just all about me.

But I know they don't have 401ks in Europe. Same whatever. They have that same thing. Human autonomy. And that human autonomy of course is directly connected in with what with this gender confusion. It's not gender confusion.

It is we need to understand what it really is. It is a direct knowing rebellion against God. God made me this way. I don't feel like that. Therefore I'm going to go a different direction. It can be all sorts of things that trigger it all the rest that kind of stuff.

But it's a it needs to be understood for what it is. It's a rebellion against God. Have there been people who felt like this down through history. Of course. And what were they told. You're rebelling against God.

Stop it. They had a reason to do the right thing. Now it's well you know if you feel that way and so about two weeks ago and I'm yeah right at two weeks ago military approves hormone therapy for and then of course you always know when you're dealing with the media because they are right behind it they refer to this man as Chelsea Manning.

His name is Bradley Manning sergeant Bradley Manning a convicted traitor who revealed secrets is currently in prison. And amazingly the United States Armed Forces which has no money for anything these days anyways is going to spend money to give this prisoner hormone therapy to transition to female.

And of course we all know that's a lie. You don't transition. All you do is get some all you do is mutilate the body increase chances of cancer suicide. It's it's a lie. It is a lie from hell. But it it's now the big lie that you can tell and and it's a good thing to tell it in our society.

And our tax money you know you're doing your taxes. Just think some of that money you're sending is gonna go to help a prisoner transition. The level of abject moral stupidity is difficult to even begin to understand.

Really is difficult to begin to understand. So right along the same time period or on the same same subject. I'm gonna have to weave these together. Somehow this is gonna be tough because I've got a lot of stuff sitting here that has just been brewing and if I leave it too long then it's sold.

That's no longer relevant anymore. So I got to get to it eventually. I've got three different sound files over here. It's stuff that I haven't I've started or I'm finished. And anyways then we had something really interesting take place.

And this comes from did the deed to die. Well where did it. Free thought blogs .com which is Richard Carrier's Richard Carrier's blog. And most people have at least heard of Richard Carrier. He's an atheist.

He's done a number of debates. I I'm pretty certain that we've reviewed at least one debate that he's done probably with William Lane Craig or somebody at some time in the past. It was long before we were doing video and not too long ago.

Now this would be February 19th. So what week ago Richard Carrier came out and demonstrated that theology matters. He's getting divorced and it's always sad to hear about a divorce. But it's much worse to hear about divorce when it's connected with this kind of cowardly anti-ethical excuse making.

I he's coming out he says as Polly. He's Polly. Yeah that's polyamorous. For those of you who don't know what all the and I don't. I wish I didn't have to figure out what all this stuff and I don't know all of them.

You can only take so much before you start getting ill. So now he's coming out. Polly. What. What does that mean. Well that's the same thing that basically in Pat in the past you would say to a man who couldn't keep his pants zipped.

But now it's a orientation. See and see. Now since we're all autonomous we create our own reality. There is no objective reality there's no God there is no creation there's no male there's no female. There's no right.

There's no wrong since man you define your own system. It's all up in the air. Now we've thrown off all restraints. Then you just go. Well you know what you know I cheated on my wife but you know what I didn't cheat.

I'm Polly. It's what I am. You should feel good for me that I'm brave enough to say now that I'm Polly demonstrating again that the theology matters. And when you are someone like Richard Carrier you don't have any basis for really constructing any meaningful moral or ethical system.

Which you know we had already been saying to him for a long time. But now he's just made it very very clear. So yeah he came out as as quote-unquote Polly. Then then we've got this one. I do not know how to say this guy's name.

That's it's gotta be okay. You J J a L next word DOS ANJ H. Look I make some good get stabs at stuff. But you jawed the Sanja. Who knows this is up in in Canada. Man Canada is just going nuts. You know they've just now discovered the right to self-suicide and all the rest of stuff.

And the brakes are off. I mean man I'm gonna tell you something anyways. He calls for certification of places of worship. Former British Columbia premier and federal cabinet minister who jawed the Sanja wants a national licensing scheme for all places of worship and private schools in Canada to ensure they don't undermine Canadian values.

We want to know what it is that's being taught the Sanja told the Senate National Security Committee Monday. If we believe that's not in consonance with the need to build a caring and ready folks inclusive society a fair society then we can simply make the law that we won't give them funds or charitable status.

Let's starve them out now. He may not even be referring primarily to Christians he says later on we do not only have an obligation but we have a right to demand that we don't teach killing for being offended or something as silly as that said the Sanja who was attacked and seriously injured for speaking out against Sikh extremism after the 1985 air India bombing.

The Sanja's testimony echoed the laws of Ottawa resident Michelle Walrand whose son Luqman Abdunur was arrested in late 2014 as part of a national security investigation. She told the same committee in December she wants federal certification for religious preachers in Canada.

Anyone can call themselves an imam she said. And there's nobody else that's around that has the ability in the Muslim community to say that's not right. So now you want the state to take care of that.

There you go. Well you know some people would like to say oh yeah. We've got to control those imams. Remember folks remember they may start with the Muslims. They'll be coming after you before long. They'll be coming after you before long.

Just remember every time you. Oh and did you know that on February 21st US Secretary of State John I served in Vietnam. Kerry speaks during a media appearance and says in a groundbreaking move the United States on Monday appointed the first US special envoy.

Not nothing about. We've got got Syria. We've got Iran. We've got Isis Boko Haram. We've got China building islands in the ocean for military purposes. We've got we've got all this stuff going on in the world.

And what's the Obama administration most concerned about other than those you freezing to death in the East Coast. Global warming appointed the first US special envoy for gay and lesbian rights in a bid to help eradicate discrimination around the world.

Aren't you glad to know that your tax dollars are not only helping prisoners in Leavenworth or it is he is transition. But now they're being used to for a special envoy for gay and lesbian rights makes me want to pay my taxes.

Yeah. Yeah. Defending and promoting the human rights of LGBT persons is at the core of our commitment to advancing human rights globally. The heart and conscience of our diplomacy. US Secretary of State John I served in Vietnam.

Kerry said he named Randy Barry the current Consul General in Amsterdam as the new envoy saying he believed Barry would significantly advance efforts underway to move towards a world free from violence and discrimination against lesbian gay bisexual and transgender people.

Won't be long till you'll throw in there. I wonder what terms they're gonna use. I just think they're gonna put a three after the T. Because you'll have transgendered transgenerational and trans species.

What do you think. Because all you have to do is put a little superscript three after the T. And now you've covered them all. I think that thing. That's what they're gonna do. What do you think. I think that.

Yeah. You have to go to footnotes. No. But you got to keep it short. Definitions at the bottom. You got you got to keep it short. You know it's got a it's got. You know for this for the especially for our society now has to be very very short.

Rosaria Butterfield, Wheaton College, and the Validity of Repentance

And then we have this year-old story. Yeah I think this is from 131 of last year even though it was only I only saw it a few days ago. Rosaria Butterfield. I mentioned Rosaria Butterfield. Oh I don't know.

A year ish ago somewhere around there I had read her book the secret thoughts of an unlikely convert. She was as left-wing liberal lesbian as you can get. And she was converted to Christ. And got married and kids and homeschooling.

And we're talking. It was a really great book. I listened to it on. I remember I was right. I can remember exactly where I was. I did the loop around Troon out in the East Valley beautiful ride. And I was laughing there so many times because there were times it's just hilarious.

She's a very good writer. And what I did not know was that when she was asked to speak not at UCLA not at some wacko Ivy League school that is just completely controlled by leftist commies she was asked to speak at Wheaton.

Wheaton I figure that's pretty easy. Students from the student body protested Rosaria Butterfield's testimony at Wheaton saying that you know her. That's not the only way. See that that's not the only way.

And that's exactly what that that's exactly what Vicki Beeching was saying was you know whether we're heterosexual or homosexual Jesus just loves us all the same. And that just sounds so wonderful. Until you put something else in there and then realize wait a minute that's not so wonderful.

But that's what they're saying. And what was the yeah here do-do-do-do-do-do-do. The students who demonstrated said that it was wrong for the university to give the impression that Butterfield's story was the only valid story according to the demonstrators there are gay people who follow Christ who see no need to repent of same-sex behavior.

Their stories are just as valid as Butterfield's. And Butterfield's story of repentance from sin should not be held out as the norm on Wheaton's campus. Why not. It's a Christian school again. This younger generation has been taught we are autonomous.

We get to define our own reality. And if we go to your school you're just so lucky to have us that you just better adopt whatever we tell you to adopt. Wow. I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't believe it.

It was. It was amazing. And of course it goes if you want to see people who have just completely bought completely bought into a deceptive contradictory incoherent worldview the members of the quote-unquote gay community whatever that is and I don't think it exists.

There was nobody of Justin Massey rationalizing injustice. How we defend acts against minority people. It is pressing. We start listening to the valid pain of minorities in our community and begin empowering the beloved of God rather than defending the actions of those who wronged them.

See it's all you you don't. You don't start with objective ethical and moral principles. You start with goo emotional goo. And if that's your foundation guess what. You're never gonna really build much beyond that.

But these they're not trying to build anything beyond that. They as long as you're stuck in the emotional goo that's that's good enough. Yesterday morning the students of Wheaton College gathered together eager to present candid questions to the college president at the annual town hall chapel.

Students approached the standing microphones some asked light comical questions and some engaging more controversial serious matters. The student body showed great respect occasionally applauding as these students spoke.

However there was no applause for one student who spoke against the injustice he has witnessed his LGBT peers experience. A brother in Christ an ally to the LGBT community. He boldly questioned the oppression and exclusion that has harmed a demographic we should be embracing and loving instead of being greeted by support he faced mostly silence before an apple was thrown at him by a peer in the crowd.

No matter why this individual decided to throw the apple it was more than simply disruptive. It was hurtful for some of us and Wheaton's LGBT community. It felt as if this student was spitting in our face as this ally voiced the deep pain we experienced day to day.

Now these folks really this just resonates with them. They think that's just awesome writing. But if you just sat back for just a moment and listen to what's being said it's gobbledygook it has no meaning.

It's like saying blue is the scent of January. What doesn't have any meaning. You're assuming so many things. I mean the number of presuppositions unfounded assumptions and simple platitudes they're piled on top of each other.

Here there is no community. Why can't you grow up and recognize that there are people who will misbehave in every community. How come it is that's representative of oppression against a community. But what you see in gay pride marches is not representative of the LGBT community.

Can you explain the consistency there. No you can't. Because there is not throwing an apple at anybody for anything is stupid but it is childish to then take that and go. Oh that's that's just that's just like spitting at all of us grow up.

I have never seen a movement so immature emotionally than this movement. I just and so many people there is just so afraid of offending. Oh we can't offend. How about dealing with the issue. How about dealing with the fact that you're telling this this college which has had the same stance all along.

They need to change because of your sexual desires. Let's be honest about it. You went there knowing what it is and now you want change because of your sexual desires which you may not have five years from now.

But they need to change. Hi there there you go there you go. That's what we're up against folks. That is what we were up against then. I wanted to get to this one because I mentioned this one and I didn't get to it.

Utah, the Firing Squad, and Mormon Blood Atonement

Um switching gears completely here I mentioned this briefly. I think a week ago might have been Tuesday. I think is we go anyway. I most people would not have caught this. But I sure did. Because I remember the first time I remember the first time we drove the sign along the side of the road that said welcome to Utah and I I felt like I was going on foreign missions work.

And I was because man especially some of those little towns in southern Utah. Yeah I mean you know. Hmm I'm not talking just about Arizona City and stuff like that though that would be. But southern Utah is oh yeah panguish Utah and places down there and Kanab.

And and of course once I me and member Bill Boyd we went out to and saw the Mountain Meadows massacre site. That's creepy. You know when you think about it that's where that happened. But anyway Utah is an interesting place.

And back in the 80s one of the stories that I would tell when I would speak on Mormonism was that of all the 50 states there was only one state that still had the firing squad as a possible option for execution.

And it was state of Utah. And the reason for that was the Mormon doctrine of blood atonement. There are certain grievous sins that you can commit which the blood of Jesus Christ will not atone for your own blood must be shed to atone for those sins.

Now evidently at some point 90s or early this century that changed. I had neither until I saw this article and here it says. January 27th 2015 Randy Gardner of Salt Lake City the older brother brother of Ronnie Lee Gardner the last inmate to be killed by firing squad in Utah in 2010.

Okay. So that wasn't that one that was that. This happened recently. Protests with a group opposed to capital punishment plans a hotly contested proposal that resurrects Utah's use of firing squads to carry out executions narrowly passed a key vote Friday in the state's legislature after three missing lawmakers were summoned to break a tie vote.

The Republican controlled House of Representatives vote 3934 Friday morning to approve the measure sending it to an uncertain fate in the state's GOP controlled Senate leaders in that chamber have thus far declined to say if they'll support it and Utah's Republican government Gary Herbert won't say if he'll sign it.

Senate President Wayne Niederhauser a Republican from Sandy again declined to tell reporters on Friday if he'd support it. Let me see here here down below. During that time Riverton Republican member Dan McKay switched to vote in favor allowed the measure to pass 3934.

When asked there by the Associated Press about the switch McKay smiled and walked away without commenting. Ray argues that a team of trained marksmen is faster and more humane than the drawn-out deaths that have occurred in botched lethal objections.

Well there's a point there. His bill would call for a firing squad if Utah cannot get lethal injection drugs 30 days before an execution. Critics say the firing squad is a relic of Utah's Wild West past and would bring international condemnation upon the state.

That criticism and excessive media attention was one of the reasons many lawmakers vote in 2004 to stop allowing condemned persons to choose death by firing squad. Well I guess. Okay. So I guess that's when the change was.

This guy had chosen firing squad before that if he died in 2010. So that's interesting. Oh here it is. Dope. Next next line though. A handful of inmates on Utah's death row were sentenced before the law changed and still have the option of going before a firing squad in a few years once they've exhausted any appeals.

It was last used 2010 when Ronnie Lee Gardner was executed by five police officers with 30 caliber Winchester rifles. Now funny thing is let me finish getting down here. Yeah doesn't say anything about it.

Um that ain't why Utah had the firing squad. They don't want to talk about why Utah had the firing squad. And the people in the legislature doesn't don't want to talk about why Utah had the firing squad and why they still want to have the firing squad.

There is a much more obvious reason for this and it's Mormonism. And Mormonism is still the majority religion in the state of Utah and Mormonism still has a theology now that theology is getting diluted.

And I did I said diluted not deluded. It's always been diluted but it's being diluted. And good old Mormons in the south of Utah know that there are certain sins you can commit that if you're put to death by lethal injection you're going to hell because you didn't shed blood.

You you do generally bleed when shot multiple times at the same time fairly profuse bleeding at least briefly until your heart stops. So that's what it's all about but nobody will even talk about it. It's just like you know I don't know who this reporter is Fox News.

What do you expect. But Fox News doesn't get it and they didn't they didn't bring it up. They didn't bring it up at all. So but there you go there's what's going on in in Utah. We will see what will come of that.

I do want to talk about this on this I mentioned last time and I brought some stuff up and I can get through it faster than anything else. Let's see here. Good. I'm just gonna talk about this. John Sorensen is a Romanist on Twitter.

While I was talking about these other things he says save $7 on the book that James White doesn't want you to read. Actually I'm gonna be talking about it and it is Tim Staples book behold your mother on yet another failed attempt to defend Rome's unbiblical a historical doctrines on on Mary.

But it's it's funny. I'm glad John Sorensen said this. Somebody tweet somebody in channel look up at J under land underscore Sorensen s o r e n s e n and tweet to him that I'm talking about him right now on Twitter on the dividing line so he can tune if he'd like to.

Because I want I did want to talk a little bit about a brief exchange we had today brother Hayes pointed out something on his blog this morning and I'm gonna go ahead and close this and find that it was a very interesting blog just mentioned in passing and I've always thought if you had if we had more time there would be some real some real value in in doing this.

There's so much stuff out there published by Rome and published by you know Roman Catholic scholarship that is directly opposed to the foundations that the Roman Catholic Church the modern Roman Catholic Church built upon.

For example I've mentioned many times the the papacy as an organization the the foundations that built it up history has washed away the the outrageous claims made for the Sea of Rome that allowed it to become the the center of the Western Church and and have all this alleged authority of everybody else and control everybody else.

We know about the pseudo Isidore in decretals we know about the donation of Constantine. These were frauds that that many of the people in the medieval period where this was really building up and becoming founded they were reading citations from early church fathers that we know today were completely fraudulent completely fraudulent.

And history has washed that stuff away and yet the papacy without a foundation hangs there in midair. And when you look at Roman Catholic scholarship today and compare it to Roman Catholic apologetics there is a huge gap in between so the one cannot go to the other.

I'll let them figure out who's in the flames and who's in Abraham's bosom. But anyways there is a gulf fixed between the two. And yeah someone just said in channel I need a Star Trek computer computer tweet the Klingons and that would they would sort of fit they would be the Klingons.

Anyway this morning Steve Hayes linked and he real brief question he said how come Catholic apologists give us one interpretation of Revelation chapter 12 the woman in Revelation chapter 12. But they don't follow their bishops.

They don't follow. They don't follow their bishops. You know they tell us you know it's like Devin Devin Rose tells us what we know because we have apostolic succession and we've got the bishops and we've got the church and we can trace things back.

Well right online you can get this at USCCB org United States Conference of Catholic bishops org go to Bible and you can get their Bible and their Bible has notes. Yeah notes. And so all Steve did was he just went and looked at what they said about Revelation chapter 12.

Because Revelation chapter 12 you got the woman you know 12 stars gives birth etc etc. The early church saw this as the people of God connected with Israel. But obviously today Rome's Doctrine of Mary has become so huge and it's based upon this this teeny tiny corpus of texts.

You have to turn kakar to many into this massive platform for all of this huge amount of theology. Well so you gotta find anything. And and and you gotta find Mary in Revelation chapter 12. Or you can't even begin to point to anything that would be relevant to the bodily assumption of Mary.

So you got to go there. But he pointed out. Well you know um when you when you actually go and read what the the United States Conference of Catholic bishops I mean aren't. Aren't these the people that the apologists are supposed to be following.

You know. Um what do they say about this. Well um interesting. Let me let me just read here. This central section of Revelation portrays the power of evil represented by a dragon in opposition to God and his people.

First the dragon pursues the woman about to give birth but her son is saved and caught up to God and his throne. Then Michael and his angels cast the dragon the angels out of heaven. After this dragon tries to attack the boy indirectly by attacking members of his church.

A beast symbolizing the Roman Empire then becomes the dragon's agent mortally wounded but restored to life and worship by all the world. A second beast arises in the land symbolizing the Antichrist which leads people astray by its prodigies to idolize the first beast.

This is followed by a vision of the lamb and his faithful ones in the proclamation of imminent judgment upon the world in terms of the wine of God's wrath. The woman adorned with the Sun the moon the stars.

Images taken from Genesis 37 9 through 10 symbolizes God's people in the Old and New Testament. The Israel of old gave birth the Messiah and then became the new Israel. The church which suffers persecution by the dragon.

This course. This corresponds to a widespread myth throughout the ancient world that a goddess pregnant with a Savior was pursued by a horrible monster by miraculous intervention she bore a son who then killed the monster.

There's the bishops. I I didn't. Did you hear Mary in there. I I didn't. Yeah so this this John Sorenson fellow. I posted something about that and he's like seriously the USCCB has the NAB on its site and that somehow precludes any other Catholic understanding the text.

The interpretation footnote is proper. It's just not the only one. I love this. I love this. I remember I don't know why I was there but I was driving around in Pasadena California once and I was listening to Tim Staples on Catholic answers live.

And what may have been another program now I think about. I don't know it may have been anyways he was. He was asked a question about Matthew chapter 16. Now remember I've heard in his earlier days Tim.

I remember I had a cassette tape. That's how long ago this was cassette tape. I was listening to this in a walk in a Walkman on a kiss in a cassette tape riding my bike in the 1990s. Okay. But on that cassette tape he said that every church father that the testimony of the early church was unanimous as to the interpretation of Matthew chapter 16.

Regards to Peter. Now I knew that was absolutely bogus. But that's what he said back then. I don't think he'd say that now because he knows better. But I've never heard him say yeah. You know I used to tell people some really stupid stuff.

I've heard that either. Anyway he was asked a question about this and it was like well you know someone point out that certain Popes and said certain things and Augusta said well you need to understand the polyvalent nature of Scripture and that there are many possible understandings of any one given text.

So when you're creating your dogma out of whole cloth just make it up out of anything. When you read his book the book that John Sorensen says I don't want you to read. You go wow are you engaging in special pleading.

And man your exegesis is horrific is horrible. But what you don't get is this. What you don't get is well you know you know our bishops here in the United States are able to and you know interpret the whole text and never say a word about the woman.

But we apologists see something more. So I think it was a perfectly fair question to ask you know why. How could Tim Staples write an entire section on Revelation chapter 12 and come to the conclusion this is Mary.

But the people who are his superiors. He's not a cleric. He's not ordained. He has no special stay in the church. I know according to Catholic answers he is one of the foremost Catholic scholars in the world.

That's that's what they said. That's what they that's what the advertisement said. But still when it comes to apostolic succession he's not even ordained. So I wonder why you wouldn't start with what the bishops say and then say.

And while that's the main understanding you know it's possible. Yeah I know why. I know why. I know it's cuz it doesn't work. I know I know I'm being facetious. But anyway I mentioned a article that I wanted to look at real quick.

Mary, the Saints, and Catholic Claims About Prayer

Ten things Catholics are tired of hearing. Number one Catholics worship statues. This stereotype is painful to hear. Not only is it completely false. Who is ludicrous despite the fact that there are 801 millions Protestants worldwide.

Church center. My rant will be geared towards our brothers sisters in the United States. In this country approximately fifty one point five percent of people are Protestant Christians. Ha ha ha. I'm sorry.

Realistically most these families have pictures in their home which is completely normal. Right. Right. They have pictures their loved ones both living and deceased. It is not hypocritical than to say the Catholics.

Is it not hypocritical then to say Catholics are idol worshipers when these families have portraits of their loved ones in the walls. If these Protestant families can have pictures of uncle Bernie and mama hang on the wall then most certainly the church can present pictures of our beloved Jesus's disciples and the Saints.

Now that is just so shallow and such a shift of the reality that it's dishonest. It's simply dishonest. If we Protestants were bowing down in front of pictures of uncle Bernie and mama lighting candles fingering rosaries rocking back and forth and praying to them then you'd have a parallel.

But there is no parallel here. Because you know whoever authored this it doesn't have a name. That's a shame. So whoever at Catholic 365 authored this you know that that's not what you're doing. And it goes the second one number two Catholics pray to Mary instead of God.

Well of course it's not instead of God. But this is a very common misconception throughout the Protestant community. And while I can understand why it is I'm also disheartened that many jump to such a harsh conclusion of the Catholic faith.

We don't pray to Mary. We ask her to pray for us. Just as a Protestant asks their deceased grandparent or parent to watch over them. Oh yeah. I just found this just as one who has engaged in formal debates with Catholic apologists on these issues.

I just found this to be massively dishonest. I mean it's just so. I walked into my office because I was going to talk about this earlier. Didn't get to it last program or the program before. I don't remember.

And I grabbed this. This is the glories of Mary by st. Alphonsus de Liguri. This book has gone through over 800 editions. Uh Liguri is a doctor of the church. It has the nihil abstract and impenetrable which no one cares about anymore today anyways.

But it does. Mine's an old copy. Look out. You probably. Yeah you can tell I can tell the screen at least what they're seeing. What I was. It's pretty yellowed. And do jazz hands again. What's jazz hands.

You don't know what jazz hands are. Okay. Anyway what I did. Honestly as I said I'm just gonna I'm gonna do the random page thing. Okay I'm gonna do the random page thing and I just opened it up and I put a marker in it and I opened it up.

You know a decade ago I didn't really have to do this. But I do now. My arms were longer back then. Obviously I opened it up just randomly to page 325 of this edition of the glories of Mary doctor of the church Alphonsus de Liguri.