October 16, 2003

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona, this is The Dividing Line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us, yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence.

Our host is Dr. James White, Director of Alpha Omega Ministries and an Elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation. If you'd like to talk with Dr. White, call now at 602 -973 -4602 or toll free across the United States, it's 1 -877 -753 -3341.

And now with today's topic, here is James White. And good afternoon.

Opening Banter and Technical Difficulties

Welcome to The Dividing Line. I have no idea if I'm on right now or not because the headphones are either making my ears bleed or I can't hear anything at all, but we're going to try it anyways. We're going to just keep on going here and just sort of trust that it's getting out to all of you boys and girls in Radioland.

You know, it's not really Radioland, is it? We sort of call it a radio broadcast, but it's not a radio broadcast because we're not paying anybody hundreds and hundreds and thousands of dollars to do this.

And they must not like that. They probably want to control everything. I would imagine it is a webcast and I imagine someday someone will try to control this as well. I imagine there are folks already working on doing that even as we speak and something tells me that they will say it's politically incorrect, talk about the things we talk about, so we can't do it anymore.

I don't know if you've noticed all the anti-Christian stuff going on in the media, but I'll tell you, if you're a Christian, you can't be in politics, you can't be in the military. I think they just, you know, let's face it, it reminds me of years and years and years ago, and I do mean years ago, I did a radio program with Tom Likas.

Some of you who listen in California know who Tom Likas is. At the time, Tom Likas was in Phoenix and he was, he's sort of a shock jock type guy, you know, and he loved to get topics going here in Phoenix too, but he hadn't gotten anywhere near what he does in Los Angeles, obviously, of course you can get a lot of, you can do a lot of things in Los Angeles, but anyway, he would do the, he'd have people on just to be outrageous, and he had this guy on from the American Atheists.

Now, let's put it this way, the American Atheists eventually disassociated themselves from this guy, and when you realize how absolutely radical the American Atheists are, to disassociate from this guy because he was too radical means this guy was radical.

I mean, I remember when the American Atheists had their convention over in Scottsdale years and years ago, again, I keep talking about how long ago this was, and we had people from the resort where it was taking place in Scottsdale come out and talk to us, and inform us that the night before, they were very glad that we were out there because the night before the American Atheists were in the hallways at two or three o 'clock in the morning and they had dressed someone up like Jesus, and all the Atheists would chase him through the hallways of the resort, throwing things at him and hitting him and doing things like that.

Yeah, these folks have got some major league spiritual problems, but anyways, that's pretty radical and then they got this guy named Brian Lynch, they eventually disassociated themselves from him, and I had heard him on the air, he was so nasty, he was on with a local pastor and he was just ripping and shredding, and so they asked me if I'd be on with him, and I certainly felt that his arguments were extremely poor and easily refuted, so I said sure, we'll do that, and I came to the studio, and what I hadn't been told was that he was going to be in town, because he had been on the phone before, and this little teeny guy, I mean 98 pounds soaking wet, comes into the studio, and as long as the microphone wasn't on, he was just sweetness and light, and very, very reserved, and my, you have a nice studio here, and then as soon as the microphone came on, it was like the demons came out, you know, I mean we're talking multiple personality disorder here, it was weird, and he was the same frothing, drooling, type person that he was before, and then as soon as the microphones would turn off, why you have nice weather in Phoenix, it was really one of the strangest experiences of my life, anyway, in the midst of all that, at one point he did make the statement, everybody's getting an old dividing line, oh great, that's wonderful, no one's listening to the new dividing line, anyway, in the midst of all of his comments, he made the statement that, you know, I was saying, so what you want is, you don't want us, you don't want Christians to have any freedom to even mention God in the public place, or culture, anything like that, and he said, if you guys want to do your religion, then go ahead and do your religion, but you need to do your religion out on an island somewhere, just, we don't want you in our society anymore, and that's, you know, that sounded really very, very strange back then in the 1980s, it really was very radical back in the 1980s, but it's not nearly as radical anymore, is it?

It's an amazing thing. 877 -753 -3341, 877 -753 -3341 is the phone number if you would like to join the program today, I would invite you to do so, those of you who heard last Tuesday's program know that we didn't, we didn't get any phone calls, because we were discussing the debate in Salt Lake City with Jerry Matytix, and we went over a number of clips, played a number of things, and we are working on, for some reason, I heard back from Eric Svensson, he said he'd be available either Tuesday or Thursday of next week, and we'll go as long as we need to, each one of those, we can go past the hour if we need to, well, I guess Thursday night we probably couldn't, but maybe Tuesday, in any case, when I responded to Eric's email, it bounced, so I've tried resending it, and I haven't, in other words, I don't have anything new to report to you, we haven't actually scheduled which of the two days we are going to be doing the program on, and I haven't heard back from Mr. Matytix either, he travels a lot, and so he may not even be around, I don't know, but we will eventually get around to scheduling the program with Mr. Matytix, and we have a lot of questions that we would like to ask and a lot of clips we'd like to play and facts we'd like to bring out, but we'll try to do that, 877 -753 -3341, oh, okay, is that why?

Well, great, well, when you hit respond, you figure that people have their address correct in their response thing, or they never get anything back, I guess, that's not a, yep, yeah, you're right, look at that, yep, I'm sending it again, why isn't it letting me do that, oh, okay, I remember, you have to hit send again first, don't you, and then we send it out there, sorry, folks, that's an important thing, we're scheduling something for the dividing line, it's now been sent out, and it will get there this time, and maybe, who knows, maybe even during this program, I'll get word back as to whether that's going to take place or not, I sort of doubt that because we need to have Mr. Matytix involved to be able to do that, so those of you who didn't get a chance to ask any questions, make any responses regarding the Matytix debate, the comments I made in regards to Brazil, that was really, again, an extremely neat opportunity to have the opportunity to talk to, well, when you think about it, if you're talking to a thousand pastors, and let's say half of them, and it was a whole lot more than that, let's say half of them are, take the information that you give them, and they communicate at least some of that to their people, maybe not the next Sunday, but over the course of the next number of months, or that year, for all that matters, that's a lot of folks that you end up impacting, and one of the comments that was made to me, both through translation and some of the pastors said, told me in English, that one of the problems they're having, and this shouldn't surprise us too much, is that down in Brazil, even though there are many, many, many Roman Catholics, and so on, and so forth, a lot of the evangelicals, and for some reason my headset's just dropped into the, into the, there we go, someone's playing around over there, even though these are evangelical churches, Baptist pastors, so on, so forth, a lot of their people are saying, you know, are there really, are the difference, the differences really matter between biblical Christianity, hello, I just disappeared, my headset's just, oh, there, they came back, ah, this is fun, the difference, are the differences between biblical Christianity and Catholicism, is it really, does it really matter, and they were saying that hopefully the information that was shared would, would help them to be able to help their people to understand what the real issues are, and I hope that that, that happens, I apologize, we're having technical difficulties, I don't know what they are, but we're having technical difficulties again, and we'll, we'll get them fixed eventually, at some point in the future, so, so you can add to our technical difficulties, feel free to do so at 877 -753 -3341, I would like to hear from you with your questions, see a couple other things here, A, we'll be in St. Paul, you know, I keep saying, you know, when you go someplace, it's like in the past I've said I'm going to St. Louis, actually I was going to St. Charles, well, okay, when you say you're going to Phoenix, you may be going to Tempe, but you use the major name, see, and when you fly into the Minneapolis airport, that's just, you sort of call it Minneapolis, even though it's the twin cities, and so you've got Minneapolis, St. Paul, I think Minneapolis is a good bit larger than St. Paul, at least that's my understanding, but hey, whatever, my understanding is that we are in St. Paul, Minnesota, I was born, actually I wasn't born in Minneapolis, I was born in Robbinsdale, but that's the, that's like Tempe is to Phoenix, so it's six one half dozen the other, but we'll be there this weekend, and on Saturday, I'm going to be doing four sessions, and they are going to all be on the subject of justification, and I am going to attempt to address, at least briefly, if I can, New Perspectivism, but it's not just gonna be on New Perspectivism, it's not gonna be like what I did at the Dayspring Chapel in Austin a few weeks ago, it's going to be more on the subject of justification, but there'll probably be an entire segment on New Perspectivism, I now have a PowerPoint presentation put together of the material that I shared at Dayspring, and I'll be using that, and I think the information is on our website, so if any of you are up in that area, then you can access that, and then the next thing that I know of after that is, I think the 7th and 8th of November, Springfield, Illinois, a bunch of stuff, in fact, I got a, yeah, here it is, I got a real nice, boy, a nice flyer, a colorful flyer, and all this stuff, that, well, I had a colorful flyer, where'd the colorful flyer go?

Well, there was a colorful flyer at some point, not sure where it went, but all about what we're, I'm going to be speaking, I certainly need to find that, that would be a good thing to track down, I thought it had been in this nice little thing they sent me, oh, well, all this is the receipt and stuff, and making sure that I'm getting on the right plane, and all that kind of stuff, but there was a colorful flyer, so I don't know where it went, and I, like I said, I need to look at that so that I can, like, remember what I'm supposed to, but I'll be talking about King James Onlyism, and Pride Justification, and, and, I don't know, stuff like that, yeah, sure, there was, there was, honestly, really, there was a colorful flyer in it, man, I know there was, I can't find anywhere, anyway, and then, then it's off to Florida at the end of November for the Greg Safford debate, which someday I'll get to listen to, which I haven't had a chance to listen to yet, because we, we are getting really scared about this DVD stuff, man, I'll tell you, I didn't know that there are all these compatibility issues, and stuff like that, we got sent the DVDs, and I don't, I can see it, well, I can actually see the beginning of it, I can't see the end of it, but I can see it, I could, and if I could read lips, I could figure out what's being said, but the sound doesn't work, and so I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, but I have a lot of preparation to be doing between now and then, and as well as the, the cruise, and then in middle December, December 16th, scheduled to be on the Bible Answer Man broadcast with Hank Hanegraaff and George Bryson discussing Calvinism, I guess I can say that now, because it's official, and, and all that stuff, and if you know how that works, that'll probably be December 16th and 17th, and I would be really surprised if it wasn't three hours, because if we did three hours with James Aiken, Tim Staples on the King James Only controversy, then we'll do three hours on, on the subject of Calvinism too, I can guarantee you that, so that'll be, that'll be an interesting, interesting period of time, and at the end of, of, on December 17th, when I get home, mental breakdown time, I mean, it's going to be, it's going to have been the longest four months of my life as far as activity goes, and I think we're just going to, we're just going to sit down and sort of stare off into space and drool for a while at that particular point, because it's going to be, it's, it's been a long period of time, so anyway, 877 -753 -3341.

The Takahiro Song and the Call-In Bit

Now, the fellow who, who sort of makes our webcasting possible is a, a very interesting Canadian, and someone who has the flyer has called. Well, that's interesting. The, the fellow who, who makes this all possible, Pete up in, in Canada, had, gave me a suggestion in regards to how we could, how we could sort of get people to call, and, and it has to do with, with a certain song that, that someone in Channel downloaded, I don't know, about two years ago, and the story is he downloaded off of this, this website where people, they, they give you examples of what people think is good singing.

In other words, it's, it's people submitted this stuff and look, and they're looking for record contracts. These people actually think that what they're doing is good, and the result, however, generally is that what, what they're doing is really, really bad, very, very bad, and so I, I think it was David Hughes who, who downloaded this one song, and, and, and it's, everybody's passed it around the channel, and, and, and now we, we have this song, and so what the suggestion was, was that what we do is we, is we, we play the song, and, and I only stop the song once we start getting callers.

This would be considerably worse than having Warren sing Elvis. This is much worse. Uh, Warren, Warren would get a record contract if it was between him and this fella, and so I, I'm just gonna play just a little section, because we do have one caller, but I want more callers, see, and so as soon as the rest of you will call in, I will stop this, uh, and you will be able to, to, to, uh, to avoid any more of it.

Uh, in fact, you know what I want to do is, is, uh, is I want to bring, I, I, the best way to do this, honestly, is, is to, is to, um, it's to bring it up, uh, to bring it up in music match, because if I could bring it up in music match, I can skip the, this man's vocal range is truly astounding.

Uh, that, that's the only way that I could put it. His vocal range is astounding. At one point, uh, here toward the end of, of his song, which I think he wrote, at least it really feels like he wrote it, um, at the end of his, his song, um, there it is, um, he, he hits about seven keys on one note, and, um, uh, people are begging me in channel not to do this, but I'm sorry, I just, it, it has to be done.

It, it really does have to be done. So this, this is a man by the name of Takahiro. Listen to that, that master of voice. I can never follow my tears in my eyes. Now remember, he likes this. Go for that high note.

Oh, almost, now here, we gotta, we gotta get to the bridge. Okay, here's, here's, no, no, no, we need the bridge here. I want you to come by me. There we go. Please tell me. Ouch, I wish I could work in the record industry.

I really do. That would be... I, I think you may have crashed Kool-Aid.

In fact, I think the server is about to go down too.

God, she can't take much more of this. Oh, man, the stuff you get on the web, you know, and you know, we've, we've commented in channel that Takahiro has brought us so much joy and fulfillment. Almost all of us really feel like we, we can sing so much better after listening to that.

Oh, oh, it had to be done after the last dividing line. It was so serious, and it was so focused, and just had to be done. Well, anyway, I've stood in front of a few Takahiros in a few, in a few, a few, few places I've heard singing like that, but not very many.

Most folks want... Encore! Encore! There's the tone-deaf section of the audience asking for more Takahiro. Oh, goodness. All right, well, we do have a caller. Let's go ahead, and my earphones are still all messed up, so I don't know if I'm gonna be able to hear anybody, but let's try Jeremy in Atlanta and.

See what Jeremy has to say. Jeremy, are you there? Dr. Wyatt, I'm here. I almost hate that I called. That was so, I don't know. You ought to, you ought to hear the whole thing. Let me tell you.

Something. I, I give my hats off to anyone who can actually listen to the whole thing, and it's, and the sad thing is, you can honestly really tell that he's pouring his heart and soul into this thing, and really thinks that, okay, this is it.

I'm getting my record contract now, man. Anybody who hears this and doesn't love it just doesn't understand music. You can just tell that's.

What's going on, and it's so, so very sad, actually. Yeah, like I said, I, I tried to stop it before it even started. There was a call, but you know. No, no. It's so enjoyable. I almost hate.

I called. I'm sorry. I, I had to do it because the guy who, who, who, you know, the reason you're able to listen to us is because of Pete, and Pete's last nick in channel was Takahiro, so I mean, he, he's actually memorized that, and the scary thing is he can repeat it in channel, typing it out the same, with the same almost unintelligible accent that Takahiro has, so it's a very frightening thing, and so we need to probably remember him because he has problems.

So anyways, I understand you have a certain flyer. Well, yeah, I got your back on this thing, man.

You, you know, you couldn't find it, and it is a lovely flyer, and I do think on these things, Bible conference, and you know, I was debating as to whether or not I should make the long drive up there from Atlanta, and when I saw the flyer, I was like, man, this must be good.

The flyer alone.

Looks good. It, it did look, it is around here someplace. I think Rich stole it personally. I.

Think, I think it's in the other room someplace. But yeah, I guess I was going to ask you too, are there. No, do you have any plans to come back to Georgia anytime soon? Georgia, Georgia,.

Yes, well, you know, the only time, let's see, when I was there last time, that was just on the way up to New York, that's right, that's right, a year ago. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, I think the person who would be responsible for my coming back to Georgia is actually listening in the chat channel, right, and so it's, it's completely up to that particular individual whether I go back to Atlanta or not, or folks like you, you know, finding something.

There in Atlanta, you know, I could, I could, I could be proactive, and you could be proactive.

Now, one of the, one of the, he just woke up, one of the problems I'm going to be facing in the spring, it's not a problem, it's a, it's actually a blessing, I just found out this week when I got back from Brazil that I'm going to be teaching not one, but two classes for Golden Gate in the spring semester, back to back on Monday nights.

I'm going to be teaching Systematic Theology II, which is normally Soteriology and Ecclesiology, two of my favorite areas, and Development of Patristic Theology through Augustine, and that's going to be in a, like a four-hour block on Monday nights, so the problem is getting, I need, whatever I do, I need to be back by, by Monday afternoons, and there's going to be some days, I know of at least one, that I'm going to be thousands of miles away Monday morning and coming back and teaching for four hours on Monday nights, so woo-hoo, that's, that's lots of fun.

Well, as far as coming to Atlanta, I mean,.

I guess you could come, but you'd probably have to just jump right in with the whole purpose-driven hysteria that is sweeping across the Southern Baptist Bible Belt here. I would imagine, yeah. It's really gained a, I don't know, a new life, I guess you could say, and I don't know if you, I know you had a program about it once before, I listened, actually, I hate to admit it, I guess I did go back in the archives and listen to that program.

You're not doing, a lot of folks do that. Okay, no, I did, I enjoyed it, it was a good program on it, but it's just, it seems to be sweeping again, and I kind of just wanted to get your, you know, your take on that.

I understand that, you know, God obviously can rule and overrule certain things, but it, it seems to be, I don't know, maybe I'm going to extreme, but it seems to be a dangerous type of teaching as far as some of the theology that's involved with.

That. Well, anytime, you know, I made a comment in channel yesterday, I think it was, I was considering something someone had said, I forget exactly what the context was, but I made the comment that it seems in much of evangelicalism today, we've gotten to the point where we are so far removed from a biblical worldview and a love of what Paul described to Timothy as sound doctrine and sound words and being nourished on sound words and the like, that we don't even flinch when the very act of worship itself, which is supposed to be what's taking place in the church, when we define that act of worship on the basis of the enemies of God, it almost makes me think of the violation of the temple when the enemies of Israel would come in and they'd carry off, you know, the temple articles and things like that, and they'd trample around inside the holy of holies.

It seems in a spiritual sense that that's what's going on in the church is that we've so lost sight of worship and truth and trusting God to actually save people and so quick to grab hold of isms and movements and stuff like that, that in the process, we don't have any, we don't even blanch to say, well, we need to design God's worship around what will not offend God's enemies.

And of course, obviously for most of those folks, they don't believe really functionally that the lost man is God's enemy in the first place. And they have a view of God's love that is in, it's an ineffectual love of desire.

That is God would like to have a relationship with everyone, but his love cannot accomplish the creation of such a relationship. Since that's the view of God's love, then it makes sense that he would, you know, that we wouldn't want to talk about people as God's enemies.

There's just, it's just a disrupted relationship. And eventually, you know, we can, we can sort of patch things together. No, it's the radical nature of either you're the enemy of God, you're a lover of God, either your love truth or your hate truth, etc, etc.

All of that is simply, you know, been thrown out with, with, with the way that it is,.

Though, at least in these parts, I guess I could say, if you speak out against it, it seems to be a general consensus for folks that are putting on this 40 days of purpose that kicked off in October and a lot of churches around here, you seem to be looked at as a party pooper or someone that doesn't care about lost people.

And then it's like, well, you know, what's it going to hurt? You get them in here, you know, one way or the other, and they're here. And then eventually they'll hear the gospel. And what do you have against that?

You know, that's, that's, uh,.

Yeah. Well, that unfortunately is the, uh, the mindset that I'm certainly hearing from folks. And yeah, I've seen, you know, when you get all these different churches cooperating and doing this one thing, uh, you're looked on as, as being really out of step with the times.

If, if you, uh, aren't willing to just go along and say, you know, well, okay, I may have a few problems with this, but we'll just, you know, for the sake of unity, we'll all go along and all will be well and, and, and so on and so forth.

So, uh, yeah, I, I, I know exactly where you're coming from. And, uh, yeah, I don't know that, that, uh, that would be the best topic to address if I come to Georgia, uh, might, might, might result in my never getting to go to Georgia again, but, uh, it, it is, it is a sad issue.

Now, now, before I forget though, you did say you had the flyer,.

Right? Oh, I do. I'm looking at the, uh, the flyer, the colorful white, yellow, and blue flyer with your actually got your picture in black. They could have, they could have done that in.

Color though. Yeah, that's strange, isn't it? And what am I talking about? Um, on the, uh,.

The schedule? Yeah. Well, Friday, November the 7th, um, you know, registration and that's at at 9am or 8 .30am, but you're doing justification, including an evaluation of the new perspective from nine to 10.

Cool. And then from 10 to 10 .30 is refreshments and book table open, of course. Donuts. Yay. 10 .30 to 11 .30 is a defense of the Trinity. Why is it important? And then 11 .30am to 12 .30pm lunch, which is provided, I might say by the, uh, looks like they're going to provide lunch for us, free lunch.

So that looks good.

And then, uh, you know, you know, you know, you know what's going to happen then. I tell folks this and they look at me like you, that didn't really happen. I once went someplace and I'm not gonna say where it was because I don't want to embarrass anybody, but I went to speak somewhere once.

It was a school and they said, we'll provide you with lunch after you speak. And so I spoke in a chapel type situation and then we went to lunch and I walk into the, this, this lunchroom and there's all the tables.

And then there's one table up front facing all the rest of them. And that's where I was supposed to sit. And so I'm given my food along with everybody else. And then I was supposed to sit there and face everybody else while they ask me questions while I try to eat.

So, uh, yeah, when the lunch is provided thing, that means I'll be fasting. Uh, so just, just so you, just so you know, because I actually, you're okay here because.

They do lunch from 1130 to 1230 and then from 1230 to 130 Q and a session with Dr. James White.

And then that, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. No, you don't, you don't get two hours.

Of Q Q and a, there you go. That night, seven to 8 30 PM on Friday night, King James version,.

Only controversy. So there's a big break in the afternoon then? Yeah. There's a long break from.

Like one 30 to 7 PM for people to, uh, I don't know. My wife is from near that area. That's why we're thinking about coming up there too. And she says there's things to do. So that, that must be.

Where they scheduled my nap time. I'm getting old. I need a nap during the day now. Thank you.

Saturday. Um, there's nothing during the day Saturday. So people have all day Saturday and then at 7 PM to 8 30 PM on Saturday, there's going to come to like a cornucopia.

Topic. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure I'm speaking Sunday at the church too. So Sunday church.

Break. And then at 10 45 to 11 30, it will just be part three.

Wow. I need to find that. Uh, I need to find that, uh, that thing all over again. Yeah. I've probably got that in an email someplace. I was just sort of looking for it and that was, I.

Appreciate the information though. Well, look forward to seeing you and, um, um, um, God bless. And I really appreciate your ministry. I don't always get to call as much as I'd like, but, uh,.

We're lifting out here in Georgia. Okay. Well, thank you very much. You bet. All right. Eight, seven, seven, seven, five, three. Are we taking a break today? I don't know. Are we taking, uh, I, I hear somebody talking on the phone out there, so I don't even know if I'm taking a break.

Uh, I'm gonna start playing talk a hero again until I, until I start getting some, uh, some, uh, attention here. That's, that's just all there is to it. Um, Oh goodness. Uh, uh, break. We are taking a break.

Well, good. Uh, I'm, I'm very glad that we're taking a break. That's a good thing to do. And I won't even play talk a hero. We'll be right back.

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Bible study lessons available 24 hours a day. Now I sent a file to Steve Camp once. I did. Steve calls me all the time. We talk. And I sent a file to him. And it was the file we, yeah, it was that one.

It was Talk a Hero, which would be playing right now if the request I had put into the window to the person on the other side of the thing had been seen and that the volume was up on my computer, you'd hear it playing right now.

But it's not playing right now, unfortunately. There he is. I sent this to Steve Camp. I really did. And his response was something along the lines of, what was it? Something like, we really need to get that guy on CD.

Something like that, if I recall correctly. Yeah, it was great. I'll never forget the first time I heard that. Again, I'll never forget a lot of tragedies in my life. But 877 -753 -3341. Let's try to get serious here for a second.

I'm going to get complaints, by the way. I'm going to get complaints. I'm going to have complaints coming in all week about, you know, well, you know, we listened to this and you were just really silly that time.

I'm going to get complaints. It's going to happen. You just watch. It's going to happen. Let's go back to, what is it with New Jersey? I mean, it's nice and stuff, but I guess it's because I kept saying they're only, you know, we were talking to the only Christian in New Jersey and stuff like that.

And I didn't mean that, but I think a lot of folks have taken it personally.

So now we've got Jim in New Jersey. Hi, Jim. Hey, Dr. Way. Yes, I am a Christian and a Calvinist.

In New Jersey. Wow. Yeah, there are a few of us. Just a couple, huh? Just a couple, yeah.

We have actually one big bastion of Reformed theology, one church that's packed out all the time, at least where I am in the metropolitan area. I mean, the services are just packed because.

It's so sparse. Yeah. Oh, well, yeah. Solid teaching. Yeah, I'd imagine. Yeah, I've been there. I mean, I've spoken to a couple of different churches in New Jersey, but the northern part isn't nearly as pretty as the southern part, though.

Yeah. Yeah, so anyway. And the churches had you back? No, actually they haven't. No, most churches, once I'm there once, that's it. They're just, you know, normal Illinois. They're different, and the folks on Long Island just don't get it because they keep having me back, too.

But most every place else I come once, and that's about it. We burn all the bridges, and that's about it. So you had a.

Question about Romans 311. Yeah, let me just set it up real quick. A friend of mine invited me to the same church that hosts Dr. Geisler when he comes out here to New Jersey. Ah, is that at Calvary Chapel?