American History with Uncle Gary

Non -rockabotas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it!

Are you going to bark all day, little doggie, or are you going to bite? We're being delusional. Delusional, yeah.

Delusional is okay in your world view. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional.

So you calling me delusional using your world view is perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt. Is he hung up on me?

Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.

Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives. Don't go into the world and make homies.

Disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke, pastor.

When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

Take an amazing journey to a place that will blow your heart so you will never be the same again.

Remember this and stand firm. Recall it to mind your transgressors. Remember the former things of old.

For I am God and there is no other. I am God and there is none like me. Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times.

Things not yet done. Say my counsel shall stand. And I will accomplish all my purpose.

That's Isaiah 46, 8 through 10. What is up, everybody?

I almost nailed that. I was trying to get the timing right on that. Didn't quite get it. Welcome to Apology Radio.

Just a quick moment of silence. At least it wasn't fast forward this time. I forgot.

It was ultra fast last time. Still not sure how I did that. I am Luke the Bear, once again in the captain's chair.

Pastor Jeff is actually on his way to Salt Lake City right now with Pastor Zach. For the open house for Apology of Utah, which is tomorrow night.

So if you're in the area, please come by. I know we've been advertising that for a while. Come see what's going on there.

To my left, I have Joy the Girl. Hello there. How are you? Pretty good. I'm noticing we have some new angles.

Yeah, I see that. It's throwing me off. It's like the paparazzi. I know. I've got a little over the shoulder action too for you.

Hopefully they can't see my screen. Oh yeah, that's right. See me playing games.

Just kidding. Just kidding. While I'm trying to talk. So I am very excited for today.

Me too. I'm going to bring our guest in here in a minute. It's Uncle Gary, no surprise.

He is up to some very exciting things that involve American history. Which he's going to tell us about.

Because to be honest, I don't know what he's totally up to. I just know I've seen all these little 30 second commercials he keeps dropping for a book.

That they're republishing. And the commercials are super awesome. So I'm going to go ahead just right off the bat.

I'm going to go ahead and play this. Actually Isaac's going to play it. And we will bring

Gary in and see what he's up to. So Isaac, you want to go ahead and play that dude? Now this isn't something you see every day.

This is an exhibit with a lock of Washington's hair.

It's right here. And there is... Is this notation here original?

Is this the original notation? I don't know if that's cool or not. But it's a little morbid. Because I think it was taken when he had died.

Wasn't that it? Alright. I just love these.

I don't know how many Gary's done. There's been a number of them I've seen. I'm just getting super excited.

Super excited. So Uncle Gary, what's going on brother? Well with these particular videos,

Eric Rauch and I, Eric and I work together. We do the podcast together. And he kind of takes care of all the background stuff, the website.

What we decided to do was to go to Aledo, Texas, where David Barton's Wall Builders is, and help us promote this book,

Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States. We just wanted to get some historical footage.

They opened up their small building and opened up a whole museum to us. I was just going around, commenting on things that I saw.

One of them was Charlton Heston's make -up kit. The one that you just played.

It was a lock of George Washington's hair that was clipped after his death.

And I was just making kind of funny comments. One was a 44 pound cannonball that I sat down and picked up.

I used to throw that around. I remember the shot put in high school and college and made a few comments about it. We did a bunch of other things as well.

Wall Builders was really kind to us to take care of us. And I came back and I had all this footage and I didn't really know what to do with it.

So I called Darren Doan and asked Darren what he had. He has created these little commercials for us.

And they've been super popular. They're just real spontaneous things. There was no preparation for them.

I saw something, I talked about it and that was it. And there were a couple with David Barton. He's showing this sword and I made a couple of comments about that.

You just have to watch them. So they were just a lot of fun to do and they've become so popular that the plan is to do a lot more of these things on a whole bunch of other historical items out there that are just funny, popular.

A lot of people don't know anything about them. And just do something that kids can like and just enjoy and to advertise this book that we're republishing for the 10th time,

Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States. I saw one of them you actually held

George Washington's compass too, right? Yeah, and the interesting thing about that is he used that thing so much.

This is a metal compass. He used it so much that there is a valley where his index finger would have been.

That was the comment I made. I said, he must have really used this thing. I was referring to this valley that was there.

It just wore out the metal. So of course that was his profession before and after the presidency.

He was a unique guy. In many eras, somebody who has become the president of this nation would have gone on a power trip.

He didn't do that. He went in, he did what he said he was going to do, and he left and just went back to work.

That's the way it ought to be. That's a very big change from what we see today. Wow. I'm just curious.

The lock of his hair, was that his real hair or from his wig? That was his real hair. What Wall Builders has is the notation of the person who took provenance on this is very, very good.

I don't know where they got it, but it's an actual lock of George Washington's hair.

His teeth are somewhere too. You can take a look. I have heard about that.

Is it a private museum or does it open to the public at all? We were there and they were this was near the end of where they are.

I think they're moving the whole thing to another place. It was really jam -packed full of stuff. If you look at some of it, you'll see all the cases.

We really had to maneuver around all the different artifacts they had.

A lot of bookcases. They have a library full of historical material. In fact, this

Christian Life and Character book that I have, I had never seen an original copy of it.

I had a Xerox copy of it. I had never seen an original copy of it. That was the first time that I saw an original copy of this book that was published in 1864.

It's very, very difficult to find. If you go to a library, you're most likely not going to find it.

Again, I've had this Xerox copy for more than 25 years. We completely retyped the book, put subheads in it.

It's over 1 ,000 pages of probably 80 % to 85 % of its original source documents.

This was done in 1864. B .F. Morris, Benjamin Franklin Morris, started this in 1853.

Now, this is before the Internet. This is before modern -day typesetting. He did all this by hand, copied all of these original documents.

They had to be typeset by hand. It was really an amazing, amazing work.

We really can't keep it in stock. Like I mentioned earlier, we have an order for 5 ,000 copies on our next printing, which we can't get to because printing companies are so backed up.

Oh my goodness. How did you guys obtain it to begin with? I have a good friend,

Archie Jones, who wrote the modern introduction to this. He's a historian, a scholar.

We're going to be publishing his two -volume work on the First Amendment. As a result, in order to do his work, he had to go into libraries, and he came across this book.

He made a Xerox copy of it. I have a copy of it. Then somebody transcribed this whole thing, typed it into a

WordPerfect document. Then we sent it. My youngest son did the typesetting on the new edition of it.

We had someone go through and put subheads in it, so it's a much more readable font, as well as subheads to break up the ponderous text.

This is like an encyclopedia. This is before Google. This is before the Internet. It would be very difficult for you to find this information unless you knew what to look for.

He even has the bibliography in here of all the works that he used. The downside to this is it's not footnoted like I would want to do.

The textual apparatus, the scholarly apparatus, I'd love to have a bunch of people to try to do that.

Today, for example, I was going through it, preparing for the show. I said, I can't believe that Benjamin Franklin actually said this.

I copied a little portion of it. I put it into Google, and there it was.

Benjamin Franklin gave you the source, the letter that he wrote about this. This guy did a tremendous job in a time when resources just weren't available as they are today.

Man, can you imagine going to Xerox and seeing 1 ,000 pages? Well, I was just...

Right. The amount of money. I don't know. Wow. Double pages.

You put the book down, you get two pages for the price of one. I still have that Xerox copy.

Let me tell you the story behind this because it's really fascinating. This is a number of years ago. I was contacted by the local public broadcasting station.

They had gotten a copy of my God and Government books, plus the book

I wrote called America's Christian History of the Untold Story. They wanted to have a little debate around Thanksgiving about America's Christian heritage.

If you know anything about debates, especially something like this, you don't have a whole lot of time to get your points across, especially when there are two or three people on the other side.

I brought a copy of that Xerox Christian Life and Character book with me.

I had it on my lap and I could tell throughout the conversation that they were wondering, what is this thing that he's holding in his lap?

Here was a comment I made. I said, until you can answer the content of this book, you don't have a case.

They had never heard of this book either. I pulled it out. The show and tell presented this right to this audience and all of this.

They were kind of in shock because what keeps the left going is ignorance.

The way they can perpetuate their view is keeping people from the truth.

If you can demonstrate through original source documents to make your case, they can't do anything.

This is what we're seeing with cancel culture going on today. They don't allow debate.

They've taken their position and anybody who disagrees with their position, they're not going to give them a forum for it. That's why a book like this is extremely important because it gives ammunition for people.

In fact, we ran some ads on Facebook and all the crazy started coming out.

I made the comment. I said, you're making a comment about a book that you have never read.

They say America was never a Christian nation. The book isn't coming out and saying that America is a

Christian nation. It says, this is a book about the Christian life and character of the civil institutions of the

United States. How do you make that case? You make that case by laying out the facts, laying out the original source documents.

That's what Morris did. People don't like that. These people commenting, just ignorant about the

First Amendment and the separation between church and state. The First Amendment doesn't say anything about the separation between church and state.

The separation between church and state was a given. The colonies didn't want the state enforcing denominationalism and the church didn't want to empower the federal government.

It was the states that decided they wanted a greater limitation on the civil government.

They said, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

The ignorance just kept coming out over and over and over again and people started talking about this.

I said, it's not in the Constitution. They started talking about education and government control of education.

The word education isn't even found in the Constitution. We oftentimes lose because we just don't have the facts at our disposal.

Most Christians can't defend their position. When you say there's original source documents, does this book actually put the text from these documents into the book?

Yes. He must have done that by hand. One of the interesting things about Morris was he was a congregational pastor from Ohio.

Because I think of some poor health, I don't know why he moved to Washington, D .C., but he ended up moving to Washington, D .C.

I think one of his sons was actually involved in the library. The greatest library in the world, the

Library of Congress, is in Washington, D .C. He had access to all this material.

He lists all the books. It's a two -page list of all the books he used. He had access to something that you and I wouldn't have.

Today, again, most of these documents are online, but you have to know what to look for.

In those days, he had to look up everything. He had to write it out by hand, and then he had to send that to the typesetter, and the typesetter had to typeset it one letter at a time, then send it back, and then proofread it, and then make corrections, and then on ancient presses, print this book in signatures, then sew the binding, put a hard cover...

It's quite a job, at least compared... Today, I can write a book, put it in InDesign, create a

PDF, and send it to the printer. That's it. I can copy and paste right from the

Internet. It's amazing. Considering what he did in 1864, this is a monumental task.

From what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, but I was reading some of the stuff on your website.

This book was the go -to book up until some point, and I'm assuming that it's been exterminated from public libraries on purpose?

I've looked in libraries, and this book does not show up. If you go online today, you can look up a book, and it'll tell you what libraries a book is in.

This book does not show up very much. Like I said, I didn't see an original copy of it until I went to Aledo, Texas, and David Barton's organization had two copies of it.

Obviously, the person who made the Xerox of it, I think it was out of a library, saw a copy of it.

I had never seen it. This will be our 10th printing of this book.

We originally printed it in 2007, and as I mentioned, we retyped it.

It's a beautiful font with the subheads and so forth. It's a beautifully crafted book. This is a 1 ,000 -page

Smythe sewn book. A lot of people don't know this, but a lot of the hardback books you buy today are actually, the publishers are cheating you.

You're getting a glorified paperback book, and what a Smythe sewn book is is that hardback books aren't printed one page at a time.

Paperback books of mass quantities aren't either. They're printed 36 pages at a time, 16 pages on one side, 16 pages on another.

Then that's all folded. What they do is they trim the top, they trim the right, they trim the bottom, and what you have is what's called a signature of 32 pages.

A book like this that's sewn in signatures is actually made up of a series of little books of 32 pages.

Then those are sewn together. Very good Bibles, if you look at very good

Bibles, they're sewn. If you open up a book wide enough, you can kind of see the thread in there.

You pick up a book that's what's called perfect bound binding.

They always give nice names to things that are cheap. This is a perfect bound book. It's actually a paperback book where they actually cut off the ends.

They're still printed in 32 pages, but they cut off the end and they glue it.

You may have gotten a paperback book and you open, you read, and all of a sudden it kind of cracks and the pages start falling out.

A book like this won't do that, and a very good Bible won't do that either because each one of those 32 -page signatures is sewn and so it's all hinged as a single book, but it's smaller books hinged together by literally by thread.

Wow, I didn't plan on getting a history on Bookmaker today either, so thank you for that. You never know with Uncle Gary.

Yeah, that is amazing. Okay, so just off the top of your head, what are some of the really fascinating original documents?

Obviously you saw a letter or something from Benjamin Franklin. What else is in there that can maybe entice people to go buy this book?

By the way, if you're interested in it, we do have some copies left before we go back to press. You can go to AmericanVision .org,

AmericanVision .org and go to the store and just type in Christian Life and Character. And some of these things that people do not know.

First, for example, the Constitution itself. A lot of people don't know this about the

Constitution, but the Constitution has some very interesting parts into it that harken back to a

Christian worldview. For example, the President of the United States has 10 days in which to sign a law, a bill into law.

So Congress, the House and the Senate, they agree. They send it up to the President. The President can veto it or he signs it into law.

And he has 10 days to make that decision. But when you read what it says, it says

Sundays accepted. That means Sundays are in fact exempted from the 10 days.

So the Constitution of the United States actually sets Sundays aside as a day of rest for the

President of the United States. Another thing is that at the end of it, it says this is done in the year of our

Lord, 1787. A lot of people say, oh, God isn't mentioned in the Constitution.

Technically, that's correct. But if you compare the Constitution of the

United States with say the French Declaration of the Rights of Man, the French Declaration of the

Rights of Man, they started with a brand new calendar with a new year one.

They also took the calendar and they went from a 7 -day week to a 10 -day week.

We get the decimal system from the French. Everything is space 10. So instead of 7 days, they went 10 days.

And instead of in the year of our Lord, 1787, like in the Constitution, it's a new year one.

And so the Constitution actually acknowledges the Christian calendar by making reference to the year of our

Lord. There's also a reference in there to the Declaration of Independence in that same line, which means if you go back to the

Declaration of Independence, the Declaration of Independence does in fact mention God on several places. We're endowed by our creator with certain rights that God is the judge of the world.

And so while the Constitution doesn't mention God outrightly, it does in fact make reference to things that you and I as Christians would immediately see.

For example, on treason, you have to have two or three witnesses in order for somebody to be convicted of treason.

In payment of debt, you had to have gold and silver. These are all biblical, come from biblical law.

And the fact that the Constitution is a document of enumerated powers is again very specific to how the

Bible works. It's not guesswork. Whatever the statement is in the Constitution, that is what the law is.

It's the same thing in the Bible. Let it be written. Let it be done. Amazing. Joy, you want to ask any questions?

No, this is very cool. I'm going to get a copy. Is it going to be available at Fight Laugh Feast?

A few. Hopefully you must be bringing those in like a forklift or something if you get a few copies.

Well, you know, it's kind of funny. When people see a big book like that, what I'm describing to you, most people don't get to hear in order to see why this book is important.

For example, you asked about some other things that are in there. In the lead up to the Declaration of Independence and the lead up to the

Constitution, there were national days of prayer and thanksgiving that were signed by the

President. And some of them are very specific in terms of our national sins, repentance, belief in the

Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ. You'll find this in all of these original documents, which, by the way, are online, and of course they're in this book.

And another thing that a lot of people don't realize is that George Washington took his oath of office with his hand on a

Bible, which is not required to do. A lot of people don't realize that there was a worship service after all this took place in the inauguration of the

President, swearing him into office. Another thing a lot of people don't realize is that on the day that they passed the

First Amendment to the Constitution, now keep in mind, the First Amendment of the Constitution was not original to the

Constitution. The first ten amendments were not original to the Constitution. The Constitution was drafted in 1787.

A lot of the states said, well, we like this enumerated power things, but we want some further prohibitions and certain absolutes put in there, and so they came up with what we know today as the first ten amendments, which is the

Bill of Rights. And so on the day that they passed the

First Amendment, which secularists used to try to remove everything related to God out of everything, they thanked

God for giving them the opportunity to meet to pass the amendment.

So it's incongruous that here they are passing an amendment that would have excluded God and thanking

God for excluding him. So what the First Amendment does, it keeps

Congress from interfering in the states. And what you find in this Christian Life and Character book is a whole section on state constitutions.

And if you were to go back and look at the original colonies and the constitutions, many of them were specifically

Christian. Every constitution today, all 50 constitutions in their preamble mention

God, the sovereignty of God, and so forth. There isn't a single constitution that doesn't mention

God. But the state constitutions, for example, New York's North Carolina's constitution stated that you could not hold public office in the state of North Carolina unless you believe in the inspiration of both the

Old and the New Testaments. And the First Amendment did not prohibit that.

That was not canceled as a result of the First Amendment. Now over time, those things were taken out, but North Carolina's constitution held that in there or something close to that all the way up until the midpoint of the 19th century.

Wow, that's amazing. Man, I'm excited. I'm definitely going to pick up. Well, and it's so important that, well you think about, what's the guy that originally compiled all this?

What's his name? Morris? B .F. Morris. Benjamin Franklin Morris. But just think about the...

I mean, it was a different time so he had to go through a lot more to preserve this, but obviously it still needs to be preserved and like you said,

Gary, it's even nice to have it in a better font and maybe with some modernized to the point where it's a little easier for us modernized to read.

But yeah, I was reading the...

It was sort of like an about me section about a publisher, the people that did that Scottish Covenanter book.

And they were talking about how just a lot of Christian history in the documentation has been sort of misplaced but almost just out of apathy like not really caring about it but they specifically said the reason they were trying to preserve that is because they thought that it could create a revival and I'm assuming

Gary, that that's sort of a similar reason as to why you I mean, you guys have put time into preserving this too.

Yeah, this is you have to remember you have to ask the question, why did

Morris do this? I mean, this is the guy who had a job and he did this on his spare time which by the way, let me tell you we're lazy.

Think about what this guy did. And you look at some of the works of ministers who wrote full commentaries on the entire

Bible with not even a ballpoint pen but a pen that you dipped in ink and had to scratch it all out, different languages and all that sort of thing.

But the reason Morris did this was because he saw he started this in 1853 he saw what was happening in the country.

There was the rise of Unitarianism, Transcendentalism of course, the Rationalism with the

Enlightenment because Christianity is kind of like all those coming out of Egypt.

It was a mixed bag of people involved in all this. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Adams they were not, they would call themselves ethical or moral

Christians. Remember it was Thomas Jefferson who took the Synoptic Gospels, Matthew, Mark and Luke and took out all the miracles and left in just the moral teachings of Jesus.

So even Jefferson who was not a Christian understood the moral implications of a

Christian worldview. And George Washington it's hard to tell what his commitment was to Christ.

I think John Adams was more of a Unitarian but John Quincy Adams of course was not, he was a devout

Christian and you have others who were first Supreme Court John Jay, the first Supreme Court Justice of the

Supreme Court was a committed Christian Elias Boudinot was wrote a book answering

Thomas Paine's book The Age of Reason. Boudinot came out with a book called The Age of Revelation so it was a mixed bag back then and what was happening over time as Morris began to see that people were losing their grounding in the

Christian faith. And so he put all this together to help people say hey look 1853

I mean that's you're looking at two generations from 1776. How quickly you know

I've talked to people all the time and I was at the dentist today and talking to a young lady who was there and I'm bringing up these things and she had never heard these things before.

And I'm sure most public schools today these types of things just aren't taught and this stuff really isn't taught.

I mean if you were to bring this book into a public school classroom and decide to teach through it you would have the

ACLU Americans United Separation of Church and State you know to come down on you with both feet.

Totally. For actual documents from the United States history.

Yeah or to point out in the Constitution you know so look what it says done in the year of our Lord 1787 wait a minute you know who's that maybe that's

Harry Krishna that they're talking about you know my sweet Lord. So but you know again there was one particular fellow

I'm writing a new book on jurisdictions governmental jurisdictions and he was a teacher in a classroom all he did was just put up original documents from American history of a religious bent and he was you know told not to do that anymore

I think he was maybe even fired from his position he had been a teacher there for like 25 years. Insane.

So one quick question so do you happen to know if like the original original documents do they still exist like are they in the

Library of Congress or are these original documents a lot of them just gone? I think that a lot of them are still around.

My guess is that there may be a lot of them in the Library of Congress. You can go to the Library of Congress I did research for my

God and Government books on images. Library of Congress has a huge huge image collection.

You can go up there and for that I'm sure a lot of these documents are available.

Keep in mind that a lot of these things that we have today were like posters they were declarations that the

President signed so they're most likely they're in the archive somewhere but they're all online today.

There are pictures of them online so they're there. And also there were today when a

President would give up and give a State of the Union address today they go into the

Hall of Congress there's cameras there it's publicized they didn't do that. They printed it in newspapers so they have newspaper clippings but when we were at Wall Builders they have a number of original source documents there are people who collect this stuff.

The thing about Washington's hair that clip that lock of hair was original hair and the description of hey

I was there when this was done it was the original document it wasn't a copy of it.

Wow. That's crazy. That's insane. You just got to see that but you would touch the compass.

If you look at the video it's like in like a sleeve. The hair is in a little plastic bag and then the information about the provenance the declaration of what this was was in there too.

Now the compass yes that was out there and I held the compass and so I went through looked at picked up all kinds of things that they have there and Wall Builders is a small small museum.

I mean you go into Washington D .C. and go to these museums it's amazing what's available.

In fact we have an art museum not too far from here up in Cartersville Georgia and they have kind of the hall of the presidents and they have original documents letters from each of the presidents.

If you ever watch Pawn Stars people will come in with signed documents and you'll find out by these experts and they'll say you know after a certain period of time they had the secretary actually signing these things.

There's a particular date when you look at original documents that they were probably signed by someone else but the earliest documents are actually signed by the presidents or the secretary of state or whatever the case might be and those are in collection.

So they're all available and images are all over the internet anything you go through this book and pick up a little phrase and just type it in put quotation marks around it and the document will probably come up.

Gotcha. Okay so you may have done a video on this already but what was your most favorite artifact you saw at Wall Builders?

Oh wow. I stumped them. I don't know that's hard to say.

I'm not a big artifacts guy and so look at this.

This is amazing. Washington's hair was kind of kind of strange.

Charlton Heston's makeup kit I thought was kind of fascinating. I don't know if you have the one with the sword.

I saw it yeah. David Barton was explaining explaining the sword and how it worked and the two different sides of the sword and how that if you put it into the sand it had a little

V at the top where they would put their rifle in it to keep it out of the sand and then he said then you could turn it around and poke that in somebody's eyes and I made this comment well that's three stooges.

You know where Moe was always poking Curly in the eye. Anyway it's but anyway it is fascinating to see all this.

I guess since I've seen so much of it over the years I don't want to say I'm jaded by it all but it's finding an original copy of Superman number one

I think what might fascinate me more. Have you? No I haven't.

In fact I just sold my comic book my Fantastic Four comic book collection and I did have an original first issue of Fantastic Four number one but when

I think about it Superman comic Superman number one Action Comics number one which is what it was

Action Comics number one it sells for over a million over a million dollars and if you've ever seen the movie

The Accountant with was it Ben Affleck? Have you ever seen that movie?

I have not but I know what you're talking about Yeah and he's an accountant for some of the you know drug dealers and all kinds of people all over the world.

He had this he was autistic the character's autistic remember he just can keep numbers in his head and he got paid in gold bars silver bars and artwork and comic books and he goes into his airstream to he's got to get out of town again and you see him pull out

Action Comics number one which was today it may sell for like two million dollars or Honus Wagner baseball card is a couple of million dollars.

That stuff goes you know actually sells more than it does original source documents.

A lot of Abraham Lincoln stuff sells very well. Some people are more popular than others.

Well I was going to ask you do you have a favorite museum ever of all time?

The one in the Air and Space Museum up in DC is the one I love.

I like this I want to see how things work I'm really big into mechanical things and so you can go there and see the original one of the original

Wright Flyers and I just I love the place. I'd love to be a kind of a tour guide through there because I was my kids were really young I was pointing out all these things and one thing about the

Wright brothers and take a historical note their father was a Christian minister Really? And the

Wright brothers would not fly their plane on the Sabbath. Did not know that.

Because they would do exhibitions around the country but it came we don't fly it on the

Sabbath. So that's my favorite museum. The one I grew up with is the one that's in Pittsburgh Carnegie Mellon Carnegie Museum.

And Andrew Carnegie used a lot of his money for museums and public libraries.

So all the money that he made in the steel industry he was a philanthropist better than almost anyone in the world.

And so Pittsburgh has a wonderful museum and that's the first time

I had ever seen a dinosaur fossil a complete dinosaur.

That was back in the early 1960's that I saw that. Very cool. Any other questions on that?

I want to take a shift here then and talk about American history we'll talk about current

American history and history as in the last week or so.

As we're forming American history. So I had talked to Gary I said hey if we have time let's talk about Afghanistan if we have any time at all.

And so I've been thinking a lot about this because I hear more and more stories coming out.

We did it we had and I just lost his name.

Ron Paul thank you. I was really trying to A prophet.

Ron Paul the prophet. We talked a little bit about it but a lot of stuff has come out since then.

And my biggest thing that I've been just thinking a lot about the last few days is just the morality behind how this is being handled not just like not just logistically because obviously it's a logistical nightmare what we're doing.

But like morally I'm just appalled and today I was thinking about it and I'm just going to throw this out here.

So this is the verses that we use for the abortion mill. Proverbs 24 10 through 12.

If you faint in the day of adversity your strength is small. Rescue those who are being taken away to death. Hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.

If you say behold we did not know this. Does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keep watch over your soul know it?

And will he not repay man according to his work? So that's the verse that we always use like we need to be at the abortion mill rescuing babies.

But I was thinking about that today. I was just of all the innocent lives that are going to be lost or have been lost due to the incompetence of our

White House. There's definitely a moral failure and responsibility as I see it.

So I'm just curious Gary. I'm going to throw that out there and see what you think about that Gary. Well look

I'm a non -interventionist. The original goal of going into Afghanistan was to hunt down the people who did 9 -11.

That was the original goal. And this is always the excuse that they use.

We're going to go in there and do this one thing and then we're going to try to fix this nation.

We'll fix this nation. We'll be able to show where the mighty United States of America will fix this nation.

So we've been in there for 20 some years. Think of that. 20 some years. And you can't fix nations like this.

This is the same thing happened in Iraq. I remember when the whole Iraq war was going on.

This idea of weapons of mass destruction. Look the Soviet Union has had weapons of mass destruction for just as long as we have.

We didn't go in and intervene there. Why did we go into Iraq to do this? Iraq wasn't bothering us.

And look this goes back a long way. This isn't anything new.

There's something you can't blame Biden for. Biden didn't get us in. No, he was in the Senate of course and approved this.

But he's been in the Senate for 40 years. They could have under Obama, they had eight years to get out of Afghanistan.

Trump was working on getting us out of Afghanistan and by the way, they had a list of everything that needed to be done at the time of year that this should have been done.

A log of all the equipment and so forth and so on. So you can't blame Trump for this fiasco.

So this goes back to Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson and his interventionist politics of we're going to make the world a safer democracy.

We're going to spread democracy all over the world. Look, democracy has been the bane of the founding of America from the beginning.

Our founding fathers did not support democracy. They supported certain democratic elements.

But they kept out pure democracy. So you go over to say you go over to Afghanistan.

What we're going to do, we're going to secure the nation and then we're going to put everything up for an election and then the people, 80 % of the people decide, well, they want

Islamic law as to be the law of the land. Well, what are you going to do? This has been a problem from the beginning.

We have been interventionists and we're causing some of our own problems.

We have military bases all over the world. I mean, World War II really grew out of World War I and World War I was a huge fiasco that we never should have been involved in.

Now I'm going to get down to the nitty gritty here with this. Christians are some of the biggest problems in all of this.

They like this interventionist stuff. Look, I think it's necessary to have a military.

In this day and age, you need a military. I have a friend in high school he was four years younger than I am.

He could bench press 435 pounds. He was a Pennsylvania State champion three years in a row in the shot put.

He was a national champion. And guess what? Ron never got into any fights.

They knew that they weren't going to win. So it's good to have a strong military but you are not going to change nations through military intervention.

It just doesn't work. And unfortunately and I know here I am going to talk about eschatology again.

But this is all part of this idea that the military, the rise of the military and the enemies abroad is all a last days phenomenon that has to be dealt with.

So we want to intervene. You got Christians out there. We need to go in there and just bomb them into oblivion.

And we as Christians Gary North wrote a book called Healer of the

Nations. We should be about healing the nations. The gospel should be going in.

Business people should be going in. Business people make the best ambassadors and if you go in there as a business person and with the gospel you are going to make a much better impact and most long lasting impact.

But if everybody is our enemy Bible says we are supposed to love our enemies. You can't love your enemies if you are bombing them into oblivion.

And the majority of these people in Afghanistan, here are all these refugees, tens of thousands of refugees. Why do they want to leave?

They don't want the Taliban in there either. But we went in there with a very secularized view of foreign policy.

And that goes all the way back to Woodrow Wilson. Think about Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson's father was a

Presbyterian. And what Woodrow Wilson did, he secularized post -millennialism.

That's what he did. He secularized and we talk about the social gospel.

They secularized the gospel. And then with the rise of dispensationalism during that period of time and so forth.

And there was a book by Dwight Wilson that was written a number of years ago. By the way, we'll have some copies of that up in Tennessee, called

Armageddon Now. And it goes through the history of eschatology. This is a really frightening thing.

There were lots of Christian organizations during the time of what was happening to the

Jews where a lot of Christians took what was described as a hands -off approach.

Because they saw this as some kind of end -time event. Because according to dispensationalism, and I know a lot of dispensationalists probably don't know this, but according to their view during the

Great Tribulation, two -thirds of the Jews living in Israel are going to be slaughtered.

And so when they saw persecution taking place of Israel, many of them saw that as a prelude to the end and the rise of Antichrist, which was easy to do with Mussolini and Adolf Hitler.

So this is a real mixed bag. And what we really need is a

Christian foreign policy that is gospel first and not guns first.

And look, there are lots of evil people in the world, no doubt about that. But you're not going to force them into submission by military might.

We know this. We know that transformation takes place through the gospel. The Roman Empire today, the

Roman Empire, the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire, the Babylonian Empire, the Medo -Persian Empire are tourist attractions today.

Christianity swept Europe and transformed Europe. And unfortunately, what we did is that we divided the gospel.

We said, well, the gospel applies over here to regenerate the heart, but the rest of the world, we don't need God's word in order to do that.

So we left that to the secularists. And now we're paying the price for it. And so that's my rant.

Oh, I appreciate that a ton. In Biden's defense, he's been asleep for the last 40 years, so I don't know.

I tell you, my wife, she just laments how his wife is letting him out there.

She's never should have let him run for public office. I know. I told Carol, we would go on cruises, and we often see people in wheelchairs and canes and everything, and I said,

Carol, I'm telling you something. Don't ever think you're going to talk me into going on a cruise if I'm in a wheelchair.

And so if I start losing my mind, don't ever let me write another book again. But to be president of the

United States and his mental state, come on, give me a break. Did you see the clip the other day when he was with the

Israeli prime minister? No. He literally was sitting next to him in the

Oval Office, and he was asleep. And the prime minister was looking at him, looking at everyone else, like, kudos to him because he kept his cool and just kept talking.

And Biden literally had his head down. He was sound asleep. And I was like, oh my goodness gracious.

And so, which means there are other people behind the scenes pulling the strings of all this.

And these, look, let me tell you something. These people are incompetent. They are, almost every liberal is incompetent because they are built up in their own delusions that they really believe they have answers to everything.

And they don't. They are, they may have high IQs. They may have gone to some of the most prestigious colleges in the country, but they are ignorant and incompetent when it comes to the way the real world works.

Almost no one in Congress today is a business owner.

They have no idea how business works. And you can tell by, you know, this rent moratorium thing.

Oh, well, we'll just say you don't have to pay your rent for a while. And then while the people who own these properties, who have mortgages on the property of the banks, it doesn't work that way.

These people are idiots. They're just idiots. Were you going to say something? No. I was just going to say,

I think the incompetence is proven by the fact that when selecting a puppet, they picked someone who obviously is a puppet.

Like, if they're trying to do stuff behind the scenes with Biden, just at least pick someone who stays awake.

I think they ended up, they got caught. I think they, when he started running, he was in pretty good shape.

He did pretty well in some of the debates. And they'll probably say, he has some problems here, but he's our guy.

And he was an establishment guy. And a lot of the establishment money went behind him. And he knew that, well, the very fact that he was keeping his son, what his son was doing, he knew all of this was going on.

I firmly believe they didn't realize that he was going to decline as quickly as he has.

Let me tell you, as you get older, when I'm speaking from experience here, you get overwhelmed with so much information.

You just can't, you can't comprehend it all. You can't pull it all in.

You need a fresh mind. You need other good fresh minds around you that you can trust. And he doesn't have a fresh mind.

And he doesn't have people around him you can trust. These military leaders is an obvious example of it.

Did you see the other day there was, I think it was a press conference on Afghanistan. And it got down to the end of it.

And he started to go off script. And he's basically like, so I'm going to close with this. And then literally it was just like, blue screen.

And it was like White House logo. They totally just cut him off. They're like, nope. I think because he was about to say something that they would have been hard to explain.

I forget what it was that he did. The reporters came back and said, look, this is what he was. In fact,

I think it's the comment he made. I've been told I need to do this or that.

So he's been they want him. And Pelosi was caught on mic saying, no, we don't want him to talk.

That basement strategy was the best strategy they had. So they made everything about Trump and Biden got a pass.

And now I think 60 some percent of the people want him to resign. I don't want him to resign.

I want him to stay in there as long as he can stand. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man.

Well, just real quick because I know you got to get going here. But speaking of the military incompetence.

So this was the one thing I saw the other day that just I heard it. I was listening to a podcast and I was like,

I can't believe we did that. Besides handing over thousands of vehicles and weapons. But like,

I guess, you know, we have handed everything over to the Taliban in Afghanistan. We're out.

We pull the military. We left everything behind. And I guess they were like, oh, and here's the list of people that we need you to let out.

So now they have everyone, their names, who they are, their identities like these are our people.

Can you please let them leave? And so now like if I was a

Taliban, I'd be like, no, we're actually the people we want to kill. Look, we're back to the

Iranian hostage situation during Jimmy Carter's administration. And look, you guys are too young for any of this.

But, you know, let me tell you what happened. A lot of people don't remember this and a lot of people don't know this because they weren't around.

As soon as Ronald Reagan was sworn into office, the plane with the hostages on them left

Iran. Iran. Why? Because they feared

Ronald Reagan. Nobody fears Joe Biden anymore. Now Iran again is going to ramp up.

North Korea is starting their nuclear program again. You got China, you know, always had its eyes on Taiwan.

So everything's out of balance right now. And now we've got Joe Biden. And oftentimes what happens is in order to kind of, it's kind of like driving down the road and overcorrecting.

You overcorrect and you end up crashing. The overcorrection problem here is oftentimes a military overcorrection.

And that would be the worst thing in the world for us. Well, sounds like we're going to have to send Dennis Rodman back over North Korea to smooth things out.

Yeah, that'll be good. That'll work. That'll work. I mean, I trust him more than Biden at this point.

Yeah, maybe. Oh, man. Well, thank you so much, brother, for being on.

And you will be at Fight Left Feast next week as we, as will we. I think that's the correct way to say that.

Yeah, I'm going to have to figure out how to get my hands on this book. But you said it kind of hides in plain sight.

Just send me your address. Send me your address, both of you. And I will send you copies.

Oh, that's sweet. That's so nice. Anybody who wants to order the book can go to AmericanVision .org.

Go to the store button. Click on that, and then just type in Christian Life and Character. It'll come up and you can buy it directly from us.

You send me your addresses, I'll make sure you get yours. You are the best. All right.

Well, thank you so much. Again, you guys can go to AmericanVision .org to get that and all other manners of books that they have.

Oh, that's my timer saying the time's up. So thank you again, Gary, and we will see you next week.

All righty. Looking forward to it. See ya. Thank you. All right, everyone.

Thanks again for another great episode. Man, I love him. Something you said made me think of something.

We need Rand and Ron Paul. They should have a podcast called

Appalled where they just talk about what's going wrong and how they would fix it.

Only if Rand can be a little hero baby. A little member. Yeah.

You'll have to go back and see that episode if you want to know what that should be. But yeah, so I don't know. If any of you guys know him, just let him know.

It's a good idea. I like it. I'm expecting. I liked it a lot. So as I mentioned, Fight Left East next week.

We love our guys at CrossPolitics Studios. I'm very excited. I am super excited.

Last year was so much fun. I've never been, but I've heard that it's a very It's fun. It's a great time. Very encouraging.

So yeah, and we're going to have, I've mentioned it, you can go to reformcon .org That will also be fun.

It's just not happening next week. It's happening in May 2022.

It just sounds, it's hard to say. I think it's 22nd too. It's May 22, 2022.

I just feel like I saw this meme that was that said something to the effect of I'm still processing what happened in 2020.

Oh yeah. And now it's about to be 2020. That's crazy. So like what happened? Yeah, I know. It was a blur. But Uncle Gary will be there.

He's going to be speaking there. So I'm excited. He will be doing the theme is by the standard and so he will be talking about government.

So I'm excited for that. And what else? Oh, I'm actually going to as a reminder to everyone

September 25th in Harrisburg Harrisborg I sound like a grew

Harrisborg at the Capitol in Pennsylvania September 25th

We will be having a rally to end abortion there. We got an abolition bill that we are helping to support.

So if you're in Pennsylvania, that area, you can come. We're going to play the promo again at the end here. You can check that out.

We'd love to have your support. I also just got word yesterday that there's another bill we should be doing in another state.

But I'm not going to mention it yet until we have more confirmation on that, but we can add another state to the list.

I'm very excited about that. So you can go to endabortionnow .com and support our work there to end abortion.

The plan is to just cross it off state by state, right? That's the plan. Yep. That is the plan.

And so, yeah. Thank you again everyone for your support. I know we say it every week and I hope it doesn't get old but we mean it.

None of this happens even though, I don't know, we have some new cameras. I don't know if those shots actually get put into the show or not. I didn't see.

Maybe we just be testing those. Oh no, they're in there. Oh, the paparazzi shots are in. So, yeah. Thank you.

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And I think that's all that I've got. Anything from you? All for now. Okay. Peace out everyone and enjoy this promo.

I want to announce to you this. It is now March. I've been now involved in four different bills for abolition.

Arizona, Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina are all happening by March. And it's the pro -life industry that has fought against all of these.

The pro -choice movement had barely needed to lift a finger. If your senator and your representative do not know you by name, you have not done enough for abolition.

That's all there is to it. We still live in a nation where it is the easiest, that probably has been in earth history, to change the law as a citizen.

It is the easiest for you. Shame on us if we fail. This is the premier issue of justice in our nation.

We have no right to ask God to bless our nation while we continue to slaughter children in our streets.