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This is Chris Arns and your host of iron sharpens iron.

Wishing you all a happy Friday on this third day of February 2017 and

I'm delighted to have back on the program one of my favorite guests a friend of mine since

The 1990s when I began getting her guest

interviews on the Andy Anderson live program on WMCA when I was

merely an account executive before having a talk program of my own and

I have also had the honor of interviewing her a number of times.

Her name is.

Dr. Latane C Scott.

She is a Mormon convert to Christianity the author of 16 published books Including

the recently released the hinge of your history the phases of faith Latter -day

cypher and the Mormon Mirage, which is a classic book on the

false teachings of Mormonism and She's also the recipient of the Distinguished Christian Service

Award by Pepperdine University for creative Christian writing winner of national awards

and contests for poetry humor and radio plays a public speaker nationally and internationally in

Mexico and Cuba and English and Spanish and at workshops

Conferences special events and a guest speaker on over 60 radio and television programs regional

national and syndicated.

Today she is going to be addressing a couple of things.

She's going to be addressing the infamous women in pink hats

Protesters her response to that and also the responses she has gotten Both a

pro and con from a blog article.

She wrote about that and we're also going to be addressing her book Just you me and God a

devotional guide for couples reading through the Bible in one year.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron.

Dr. Latane C Scott.

Always a pleasure Chris.

I'm happy to be here and.

Latane.

There are it seems new listeners.

Joining the iron sharpens iron audience.

Nearly every week.

Perhaps it's even happening more frequently and I don't know about it, but For those of our listeners.

I know that you've given this account many times, but perhaps give our listeners a summarized version of

why you came to leave Mormonism and Enter into the

Christian faith as it is defined in the Bible and most importantly how you came to embrace the true

Christ of.

The scriptures and his atoning death on Calvary.

Well, it kind of happened in two stages.

Chris in 1973 I was the happiest Mormon that I knew

I had done temple work.

I had been an ugly loved

Mormonism For one reason because it was such a contrast to my birth family and the

chaos that was in it and Mormonism was order and beauty and answers to questions

and absolute authority on Issues and I just loved it.

I left the Mormon lifestyle.

I love the people I Loved everything about it, and I came

home to my Home in Albuquerque, New Mexico during the summer between my junior and

senior years of college at BYU and I met a young man who challenged

my assumptions about the Bible and my

mainly that the Bible was incomplete and that There were others superior in

anything that a Mormon prophet said The Mormon scripture

he and I began

I thought we had a bargain.

He said he would study Mormonism if I would study the Bible with him and he

didn't keep On two accounts because we never did get

around to studying Mormonism number one and number two he He he went to

resources.

He had a brother -in -law who just passed away by the way a good godly man who?

Was very knowledgeable of the Bible and also had some good books on Mormonism that Did not

make the mistakes that many books on Mormonism make which in short

these books were helpful kind didn't insult the intelligence or the character of Mormons,

and so I was able to listen to those and spent a Horrific

agony Made the decision to leave Mormonism, but to go back and finish my senior year

at BYU and I thought I could do that.

But of course everyone who knew me there I'd written for BYU publications I've won right

writing awards and anybody that had known my previous enthusiasm for

Mormon doctrine Mormon leaders and that sort of thing all those people were shocked

and able to keep undercover the Ended up coming back to

Africa embracing our precious Lord and Savior Jesus Christ the

Jesus Christ of the Bible being baptized

as

a Christian 43 years now

and I say that my Conversion happened in two steps, then I'm not talking theologically, but I'm talking

temporarily.

While I made the decision to submit to this Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and to

Authoritative not authoritarian throw myself wholeheartedly into the life of a

Christian body of people With whom I have associated now for those 43 years the same

group of people Who loved me who accepted all my weirdness

Who tried to make that transition as smooth as possible.

But after a period of about 10 years, I felt very Spiritually

that you were so happy to get out of Mormonism.

Why were too happy as a Christian and it wasn't that I wasn't happy.

I was spiritually dry and The fault wasn't the Lord's fault wasn't the church's.

The fault wasn't the Bible's.

The fault was mine because As I explained to people once you find out that

the being that you have worshipped and loved

and exist Then you're not so anxious to love and

trust and embrace another such being and While I

submitted to the Lord, I held myself at a distance from him and

faith of my

Wrenching but

it made me understand much more clearly some of the issues that other people have.

I compare it to if you have loved someone and

You feel as if trade you and the

God of Mormonism.

I felt betrayed me by not existing and all my time and effort and I

think Christians who are listening can identify with this if you woke up tomorrow morning and found out that all Your missionary work and

all your contributions and all your worship and all your study of God's Word.

Everything that you poured your life into was for a being who didn't exist.

You would feel betrayed and that's the way I felt.

So it took a long time come to the

realization and my life has been very different since

I praise God and.

Before we get into the conversation of

The one of the latest books that you've written The devotional that we mentioned at the outset of

the program Where couples are guided through reading the scriptures

in a year Just you me and God is the name of the devotional.

There is a phenomenon that has developed where

women are wearing pink hats and it has some kind of a

A meaning behind it that you find quite offensive as far as

What they are trying to say about women's roles and so on and

You actually reacted in a way totally the opposite of the way many Christians might think

someone would when discovering something like this and And the

way that you reacted was beginning a

Devotional life where you wear head coverings now When you are speaking in churches

publicly and so on if you could just tell a listener is in better in a better way that I could articulate about this story.

Well, my first reaction was that a Christian symbol had been appropriated and

maligned Because the women who are wearing those pink hats wore them as a sign of rebellion.

Rebellion against a person and rebellion against a

statement nor take a stand

Politically on this.

I'm just saying what the people who wore these pink hats said and

They they wore it as a sign of rebellion and On my website, which is latane .com

on the insight blog There's a post called about those pink hats.

My first reaction was when I found out what those pink hats really meant and the fact that no Christian woman

I talked to had any idea What the stated purpose of those pink hats was

which was not just rebellion against a person a political system.

That's something it made me mad enough that I thought you know in

in first Corinthians.

It talks about using a symbol to Indicate submission instead of

rebellion and I now carry a scarf with me Everywhere

I go.

Yeah when I pray in the presence of a man, I

put it

Vision, but I do wear when praying in church now.

And not because an ancient form of subjugation,

which is how some people might see it.

But just because this is a symbol a biblical symbol that God.

Did.

Ordain and did talk about and I do understand all the arguments about it was only cultural.

But there's absolutely nothing wrong with a Christian.

People did it in the person but Oh

what that hat the pink hat Represents and it's not just

political.

It's sexual.

It's a symbol of the genitals of a woman and I didn't make that up.

I Went to the place where people Who have started that movement

of making these hats who give these sewing or knitting instructions for making these hats posted

their stated objectives and their stated meaning of that.

And so it's on the air crisp if you'll go to my

Insight blog and and find the post that's called about those pink hats a Christian

and what?

What is the reason that?

They are Symbolizing female genitalia through their

haberdashery.

And again, I urge your listeners to go to my website to see their own website

where they explain it so that I am not Taking words out of their mouth in explaining it.

But there are two stated reasons.

Are that Donald Trump? said that he Groped the genitals

of women and so

for freedom which sexual freedom.

Much of us because people are

afraid.

Supporting anything other than what God would have me support is which is the support our leaders as

we're told that we do that.

Well, for instance one on Facebook before I put it on my website

There were several women that said I had no idea those hats meant that and one moment actually said I

Knitted three of these hats for women who went to the marches and I had no idea what I was knitting.

So.

My purpose was to educate and to point to authoritative

sources About what they say the hats mean not what I think they mean.

Own Chant

against and put a sign of submission on my head when praying

or speaking.

Yeah, I happen to have Friends who are

pastors who have Adopted the view that that is a proper biblical.

A.

Proper proper biblical sign of Submission for women to wear hats in the public worship, although

none of the men that are my close personal friends bind that on the conscience of the

women in the church.

But they they have developed that conviction themselves and in many of the women in their congregations.

Do do that and some don't and even in the congregation where I'm a member

there is a minority of women who do.

But so you're.

You're saying that this is something that you do out of a personal conviction, but not something that you

Necessarily want to convince other women to follow suit with this.

Absolutely not.

This was as much my sign of rebellion against the pink hats as it was

my Desire to and and.

Chris.

Biblical symbols are so important.

You can't rob a biblical symbol of its meaning and use it for something else and

and have and get away with it for instance.

The cross.

Paul talked about how the cross can be emptied of its power and how it can be meaningless to some people

and yet it be you know very significant to others and my contemporary

example of that is.

Well three examples.

One is Mormons don't wear crosses.

They don't have crosses on their buildings because the atonement of Christ on the cross.

It's pretty much meaningless to them because they believe the atonement took place in the garden of Gethsemane and

not on a cross.

A Christian might wear a cross around his or her neck and it would be a symbol of identification with Jesus Christ.

A Ku Klux Klan member might put a cross in someone's yard and burn it and it would have a completely different

meaning.

So it's very important that biblical symbols Be viewed as the Lord wanted them viewed

in the Bible and not appropriated.

A head covering can't be appropriated By someone a

Christian woman, especially as a symbol of one's genitalia on one's head and get away with it

I don't think the Lord looks kindly on that.

Yes, and I'm sure that the majority if not, all of these women could care less how the Lord looks

upon it.

I imagine.

Yes, and well, you know you are Quite an accomplished woman.

You have your doctorate you have written as I mentioned in

your Introduction you have written 16 published books

you are an accomplished speaker and so on and I'm

sure that You know that there there does exist

still an unbiblical Unbiblical concept of

women where they are viewed upon as inferior but at the same time there is obviously

it seems much more broad and widespread today

the the opposite seems to be the The raw on the rise the

the the flipping of or actually Annihilating of any kind of

biblical roles for the genders in the family and in the church.

There there there seems to be The feminism is on the march and it has

really infiltrated many aspects of Even conservative

evangelical Christianity, but what is your what is your response to the things that I've just said?

Well, I'm kind of I'm kind of between a rock and a hard place because one of the books I've written Chris that

has not yet been published.

It's written with the premise the very ancient premise.

That one of the books of the New Testament was actually written by a woman.

By Priscilla, right?

By Priscilla, I believe wrote the book of Hebrews.

Well someone who is me egalitarian someone who believes that.

Let me see if I can say this in a way that honors them.

I believe that egalitarians would say that there is no difference in function Nor

value of a man versus a woman in a Christian Church.

And they they would welcome that.

Of course, they would welcome.

But I myself am a complementarian.

Which I believe that men and women are of equal value that have different functions, especially in public worship.

This is my stance.

This is.

This is the way I've operated in my.

In my ministry and and I am I would agree with you and I

think that that I.

You're.

I think that the those who oppose that view the complementarian view are hard -pressed to really Logically and

consistently get their view out of the scriptures.

But anyway, I'm sorry I interrupted you.

That's okay, but I also do not bind that on people nor do.

What would I withhold fellowship from egalitarian Christians because I Think that

sometimes both sides have gone too far, you know, and then been too extreme In

their in their view of women.

So all that said.

My I don't try to bind things where there is a reasonable way of looking at it.

Two ways I don't withhold fellowship nor would I.

When if they wanted to talk to me about it, I'd love to do that

but I see The symbolism of male -female relationships being played out

and we're back to symbols again in throughout the Bible of the symbolism of Christ in

the church and The submission of which all the way through

John I and the Father are one.

But I do only what he tells me to do.

I you know, I only show what he wants me to show.

I only act in the ways that he wants me to do.

And of course from a biblical marriage point of view, that's a difficult one to pull off, you

know.

Yeah, any any Christian woman will say, you know, that's that's a hard path to walk.

And I don't think men consider for many women how difficult that path that is to walk.

Yes, I am in fact whenever I go to a Christian wedding, especially in the

churches where I Predominantly fellowship. I always look around during the marriage

ceremony after the the pastor Announces to the

bride that she is to submit to her husband and I look around to see the heads like the angry looks

women whispering in their husband's ears and so.

But I Even as a man I

can Empathize with the hardship of that.

Not not as much as a woman who experiences it herself, obviously.

But I have dear friends Who are women who are treated horribly by their

husbands many of whom are not Christians.

Sometimes these were Marriages that took place because The woman was

tricked into thinking that her husband was really a convert to really a born -again believer

and sometimes It was that the woman was actually thinking that she could Naively thinking

she could change her husband through marrying him and bring him into the faith or sometimes It's just women who

come to faith later in their lives after they're already married.

So I can I can definitely I can definitely and certainly empathize with the struggle Witnessing how

how sometimes they are treated.

Despicably and horribly and it breaks breaks my heart

and I I have no little empathy For such women

because my mother herself was in such such a marriage with my father.

Yes, I remember that you're very moving.

Testimony about the with a pro -life message behind it that you had given on the program.

So.

Again, I hope that your listeners will hear me saying that my purpose

in and posting this reaction to the pink hats was to give a

biblical view of Symbols and one of the

things that's most surprising Most people don't know is a woman wearing a head covering have something to do with the

angels.

And I've never gotten anybody to Satisfactorily explain to me what that means that it's right there in

first Corinthians That we wear a head covering because the angels and it it

it gives me the idea Chris.

But there is a there is an unseen audience to our public worship

there is a

What we do.

The symbols that we are are not just symbols for the world

machine being

and I don't want to get into my to deeply into my views of the unseen realms, but

we do know that that angels do communicate with and travel back and forth and apparently

view witness or at least are aware of things

because in In the Old Testament they longed to live until

Jesus came in and exemplified.

Yes. In fact, I was fascinated.

By a book that I actually Had the honor of having a forward and that

I wrote many years ago back in the 1990s.

Do you know Victor Knowles is I do?

Yeah, Victor Knowles wrote of angels.

Yeah, but his original book was called angels and demons.

That was the original book and He actually honored me with the privilege of having

writing the forward to that but I was very Fascinated by the very thorough study.

He did on that subject and Today, I believe it's only available in the

the part of the book that addresses angels.

He he.

He minimized the length of the book and turn it into a book just solely about angels.

Well, you know Lagarde Smith has also written a very interesting book about Angels and it's written from the

point of view in the voice of Michael the Archangel.

Hmm.

Very fascinating book.

Well, we're going to go to a break right now.

We already do have several people waiting to have their questions asked and answered.

And we will take your questions as soon as we can.

Perhaps we'll get a little bit more into the devotional book before we take your questions because it seems that

The questions predominantly are in that realm of thought.

But if anybody would like to join them with questions of their own for dr Latane C Scott our email address

is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Dr Latine see Scott and She is a published author.

She is a Mormon convert to Christianity.

And if you'd like to join us on the air, we are right now on the tail end of discussing her reaction

to the women in pink hats feminists who have been protesting the election of Donald Trump

and other things and We are going to be moving into In the very

near future within a matter of probably 20 minutes or so we're going

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Bible in one year.

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Latane what the thing that that baffles me is the blindness that

many feminists seem to have when they are trying to

push through the establishment of things the legalization of things.

The acceptance and celebration of things in our culture that actually in many ways

harm women.

You have like for the first and foremost the abortion issue well, they may look at that as a

personal reproductive right issue, but we all know that millions of Little

girls are being murdered by this and on top of that men have

become more emboldened Not to care about the consequences of

Impregnating women.

Hey get rid of it.

I don't want anything to do with that.

I'm not taking care of that that kind of an attitude.

Where men have been given more of a freedom to basically? act

and behave like misogynist pigs.

Put it bluntly.

And then even you have the feminists Pushing for all of these

Transgendered right issues like unisex bathrooms and so on when they

are more than likely going to be the the victims of

assaults and situations like that and where their rights to

privacy is being robbed from them because of men sharing those kinds of facilities with

them and even in every other realm where where a man who

believes he is a woman and has certain perhaps

Superiority and when it comes to strength and other issues is going to be considered Just as if

he is a real woman in Engaging in all kinds of athletic competitions and other things in

life, you know, all these things just seem to be oddly Detrimental

to the things that the feminists are vociferously fighting for am I making sense of

here.

Well, let me bring it back to the discussion of the pink hat women in the feminist

movement.

Object to being seen as sexual objects and that is

never portrayed women as sexual objects.

He doesn't want them portrayed As sexual objects, but for the life of me Chris, I can't

figure out why wearing a symbol of your genitals on your head.

I'm sorry.

I just don't see it.

Yeah, that's ridiculous.

I.

Mean I can I can understand some of the other.

I can understand their reasoning without agreeing with them.

But that one was so over -the -top and so crazy.

And in fact Chris.

Some.

Some of the other ways that women some of the other things women wore during that March were just absolutely

Discussed.

The pink hats were the tip of the iceberg the mildest form of that kind of rebellion.

Oh, yeah I'm sorry, and the Lord looks down in sorrow on The things that are

actually letting them have the glory and

the honor that God Intended for them to have yes and in their uniqueness.

And in fact, you have.

Feminists in the very odd position of

Protesting when a man murders a pregnant woman and He is being

charged with double homicide.

You have women ironically Infuriated and wanting a lesser charge brought against him.

He's not he's not guilty of double homicide.

He's guilty of murder but not double homicide because that that that thing in the woman's belly is not a

human and Therefore you can't call it murder and these kinds of things that actually backfire on women

in my opinion.

And so you are a woman who has accomplished much and has

earned a degree.

What Practical advice.

Earn a doctorate degree.

That is what practical advice would you like to share before we move on?

To the other subject how women can

Remain faithful to biblical concepts of Complementarianism and so on and yet

still use their gifts use their minds use their abilities to bless the church.

And obviously this would not only be exclusively a word to women but To men

who are even pastors and others who?

Allocate specific duties and Use particular

people in the congregation in the flock to to use their gifts for the blessing of the body of Christ.

Just give us some practical advice for for all listening in this area.

Jesus said if you want the best seat if you

want to be considered greater you have to Think of yourself

as lesser and By the way, I am

Thing that ever that ever hit humanity that sort of thing.

So Jesus said that if you want to be great you have to be least.

That's not a strategy but in my own life by not pushing

Agendas myself my presence my opinions.

For instance in Bible classes I'm often called on to give an opinion which makes

me feel really good and it honors the study that I have Done and the research that I have

done.

But nobody likes a man or a woman that tries to take over any

corporate situation and so my advice is that If women want

to be listened to they have to listen first.

You you earn in

most situations, I'm not talking about Corporate worship, but in most situations you earn the right

By not insisting on your right.

Amen, and.

Of course, there are even men who have extraordinary gifts who might

even be a more gifted in oratory or Homiletic

areas than their own pastors.

They may be even more Studied and more brilliant than

their pastors, but they may Not have a calling as a shepherd or an

overseer and it may be for clear.

Reasons are not so clear reasons, but there are men who even Must

recognize that that not everyone is called to be an overseer or an elder

or a pastor in a congregation and so The the jealousy that may rise

up in anyone whether it a woman or a man because they May feel I have a superior gift than this

person.

That doesn't necessarily mean you're qualified to be that That elder or overseer or shepherd or pastor?

My ministry doesn't have the same theological degree yet.

I go into any Any corporate worship where someone speaking no matter no

matter what his educational level?

No, what no matter what his level of preparation or that before whatever he's teaching and I say to the

Lord Lord I want you to give me what I need today out of this lesson and I will listen carefully and I know

you'll give it To me and he always does and I tell other people you want a lesson from the Lord.

You want something that you can use in your life?

You can pray that same prayer and you'll get something too and that keeps me from ever wanting to

correct or upstage or anything like that because I Need to learn, you know, I I need to

be fed.

We are put in corporate bodies And bodies of believers so that we can perform

different functions and help each other.

It's always for the building up of the body and I need to be built up, you know I you know Chris that

our family's going through a very difficult circumstance right now with my husband's long

Long illness and now a crisis with his heart and I need to be built up.

I need messages from the Lord and I'm not talking about Individual revelation.

I'm talking about that.

The Word of Life is broken open for me, you know break.

Thou the bread of life dear Lord to me.

In fact, I don't know how much detail you'd like to give for the purpose of prayer requests for

our listeners.

But if you'd like anything that you'd like to share about your husband Dan and his health battles that he's going through that

require Fervent prayer from the body of Christ.

Well, we'll just leave it with the amount of detail that I had and my sincere appreciation and thanks to

those Who hold up our arms and and keep us strong through these difficult circumstances.

We are very grateful for the body of Christ.

Well, uh, you have written this book that we are going to be addressing today.

Just you me and God a devotional guide for couples reading through the Bible in one year

if you could.

Tell us something about what led you to write this to begin with.

Well, I had a friend who was teaching at a ministry training school and He noted a

phenomenon that these young men would come to this school to be trained and although they had a

parallel Track for wives if the wives were able to Attend the school as well.

Some of them were to support their husbands to put them through the school But they had a parallel track for them, but

he noticed my friend noticed that While the men were were in all

cases, you know gaining all this Bible knowledge and all

these insights and many times The

women were left behind and it wasn't because they're less spiritual than the men that they were not being said in the same way.

So the very first version of this book I wrote For that ministry school so that men and women

together could read through the Bible in a year's time With a New

Testament passage and an Old Testament passage each day and then get together one day a week To

discuss what they'd read.

I Think in our society and unless you know people who can do this I don't know anybody that has the

freedom and the time to sit down and read the Bible through

that Everybody can squeeze in their own Bible reading and then the idea is that if you have small children

that you get a babysitter for them and mom and dad or husband and wife go out together

to a separate place and they Talk about what they read and so I

include in the the guide The Old Testament New Testament readings and then a series of

questions and the woman on their date night and this is but you know

They can make it something that they can discuss and the

reason for that is it's one thing to read through The same passages and kind of be

on the same, but it's another thing to deal with some of the.

Stormy.

Thorny knotty things are in the scripture and I am by knotty k -n -o -t -t -y.

Although there are some naughty things in scripture, too.

For instance in the very first week one of the discussion questions that I offer is

What is the theme of rivalry?

How do you see rivalry playing out in the Old Testament and New Testament passages?

Since rivalry was an issue that God took a

problem.

What are we feeling?

Sort of rivalry are we feeling?

With each other, you know.

If he's feeling rivalry with other feeling rivalry at work in

in a secular job.

Is he noticing.

Are they noticing rivalry among their children?

Are they noticing rivalry?

Lee achieved on a sports

team or so each week.

The the man and the wife aren't with the material in the

Bible led to or encouraged to

talk about those things.

The other thing that the book does is that it teaches and encourages the

skill called generalize because.

Although we could.

My husband on my boat.

The fact is that there we're probably not going to have a one -to -one correspondence of that

Situation in our own lives.

I don't think either one of us is ever going to meet a giant on

without weapons.

On.

The other hand we can generalize about that circumstance at that circumstance that

Physical conditions don't determine the outcomes of the situation.

I guess you better be prepared never to wander out in the middle of the field during the Super Bowl or something.

Where you might be in that circumstance.

A.

Man and a wife need to be able to extract Generalizations from

these passages that allows each of

utilize those from

make Not I don't want

to say mix and the generalizations you get out of the grammatical

structure of the Bible Something that you can put in your own pocket and then when you're in a circumstance you

can say I need to remember Material circumstances don't determine the outcomes

of obstacles in a situation if you

remember that then when you go into a medical Situation and the doctor told me over and

over again.

This is Scott.

This is the end prepare yourself, you know Pick up the funeral South.

No the circumstances the situation and the circumstances do not determine

how this was coming in and they don't only the Lord determines that so I teach

or Encourage that skill in this reading as well and

Chris I am

we would not have the problems in our churches today if people actually sat down and just

read the Bible and Just talked about it With one another and you know in in

the book of Malachi.

There's a an enormous promise in Malachi, I think it's chapter 3.

There was a circumstance just like we're facing in the world today Where everything's in turmoil and people are saying to one

another, you know It doesn't really matter whether or not you serve God because you're going to get the shaft.

Anyway, and It says in the book of Malachi that those who love the Lord

got together and talked about him Focused on his words and it says

that the Lord watched he thought He he did two things.

He made a book of remembrance in heaven of those who honored his word who talked about him.

And he made a difference in their circumstances so I'm I'm Utterly

devoted to the idea that we must be spending time not in

External actually reading the Bible and that's why

this book type.

I'm not the only one who's written so close but it's why books of this sort are so important to get

people to to say no to worldly activities at least once a day and

and read their Bibles and Chris I didn't let our children leave our home until

they had read through the Bible with me at least one.

Before they left our daughter the overachiever read the Bible and

didn't We would discuss things that she did it on her own.

Well, our son was normal, you know, he was he was not.

He said to me one time Mom, do you have any idea what it's like in a household growing up in a household with a Virgin

Mary?

I Said I know your sister's not normal and you are but he and I took us it took us over a year to read through the Bible,

but we read we read it out loud and Talked about it.

And I think that made a tremendous difference in this young man's life I think he would say it made a big difference.

One of the perks was when he got to Love at Christian University where he went to school.

He showed up in his New Testament class and The answered all the questions the professor

said you obviously know your Bible he said yes, sir.

My mom read it through with her before I left home and he says well If you're

confident of your knowledge, you don't have to attend class.

You can just take the final and he did so see there Are perks there are perks?

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Latane C Scott We are discussing Her book just you me

and God a devotional guide for couples reading through the Bible in one year.

And we do have a couple of listeners or actually a number of listeners

who have responded already with questions and Let's see

our first Question is from pastor sterling vanderwerker

who is the pastor of Shepherds Fellowship of Greensboro, North Carolina and the

pastor sterling vanderwerker Has a question many marriage encounters

used in the Christian Church are unbalanced with respect to the authority of the instructions

for how to have a good marriage Pragmatism is offered as a basis for a good

Christian marriage.

The title of your book is refreshingly different.

Would the book be a reasonable document for Christian marriage lessons?

Thank you insightful question.

You say the blackest so.

Of course, I'm gonna like my book, but I don't believe you can have a What it

what God would regard as a solid Christian marriage unless the basis of it is not your

relationship to one another.

But your relationship to the Lord being reflected in your relationship to one another.

And of course, you can't have a relationship with the Lord.

Unless you know what he likes and what he doesn't like and I would tell my students

if you want to know what the Lord Likes what makes him happy?

What makes him sad?

What makes him angry?

What does he remember for generations?

What does he choose to forgive?

How does he choose to forgive?

You've got to look at the Bible across the board see how God has dealt with human beings for thousands of

years of human history to find out what he's like, and then you'll know how to relate to him and

Correlatively, you'll know how to relate to one another.

I think in Christian marriages, we might talk about why we're mad at one another and For what

he's calling pragmatism what works, you know.

What will make us be able to get along and many times we don't address the issues of what is God's

will in this matter?

Which may be something quite different from what the husband wanted and from what the woman the wife wanted.

But you can't know what he wants if you don't sit down and read it for yourself.

I believe that God's Word is of such enormous and unique power that it is unlike any

other contains within it.

The power through the Holy Spirit to talk to people of all ages of all

educations of all cultures and of all time.

No other book can do that.

Only this book can do it.

So therefore if you take a step away from it and you talk about it and don't read it.

You're always one step away from knowing what he really wants and needs and what he wants for human

beings.

So yes, I do understand the the value of marriage and counter

time retreats and that sort of thing.

I know people who would say their marriages have been saved sort of thing.

But not all of us can go to a rich.

But every one of us can find sometime in during the day the point to do

what it says in the book of Malachi.

That is there's no.

Replacement.

Well, thank you pastor Sterling and guess what you are getting a free copy of this book by our guest

Dr. Latane C Scott Just you me and God a devotional guide for couples reading through the

Bible in one year just in time for Valentine's Day.

So we hope that you and your wife I'm assuming you have one will be blessed

by this book.

And we do have a.

List.

Chris, can I can I point out one other thing?

Sure the book is.

The book is also available in Kindle format.

So.

You those of you who were interested in this could actually download it on your Kindle devices

or your phone or whatever.

Or you have a Kindle app and the husband and the wife would have the Reading materials and the

questions available to them without having to carry a Bible around.

And if you're like me I have a Bible on my phone and I also have the

downloaded version of just you and me and God so carry those things

if I'm caught in.

You know I sat at a doctor's office for two hours the other day to see a doctor.

Well, guess what?

I had my Bible and I had the materials to to use there because I had my phone with me.

So if you go to amazon .com, this book is also available on Kindle at a very reduced.

We have an anonymous listener who wants to know Latane.

Do you have any advice for a Christian woman married to an unbeliever as

to how to gently Convince him to join me in

this study.

I think there is no greater witness than a wife who's

not taking time away from her husband in such a way that he would Resent it, but he

when a man gets up in the morning and he sees his wife has gotten up Specifically to read the Bible.

He sees her face as she reads it.

He sees her head bowed in prayer.

She can be one as Scripture says with he can be one without a word Despite

observing your conduct and your conduct is that of? reading

Scripture and letting him see that you read it and I've said that for years.

There is no greater witness to your family.

Don't hide from your children.

You're reading the Bible.

Let them know that mom I always tell my kids don't interrupt me when I'm praying unless

there's blood if there's blood Otherwise mom is on her knees and she's

praying.

My children know that they knew they grew up knowing that and Our families have to see us

doing that and you can do it in a way that's not ostentatious but that is the most powerful

witness and then a Wife could reasonably after a period of time say, you know, it's

really about This woman Esther and how she managed to

Get a king to change a political ordinance, right you think you think such a thing is

possible in the world today.

Questions like that could be asked also within this book.

There are questions that are asked of the readers but things like.

Jesus.

When Jesus healed a woman who had the issue of blood he said he felt power going out of him.

What do you think that would mean if God himself has power going out of him and feels drained by it?

Things like that are not Pushy or anything else, but they're they're things to think about

things to talk about with one another.

So in other words you don't advise The wife throwing the book at her husband's head while he's sitting on the

couch or lying on the couch watching the football game and Screaming at him.

You promised me you'd go through this devotional with me and Snatching the remote out of his hand and so on you don't

You lazy slob don't you want me to be submissive to you?

But anyway

Of course not and by the way anonymous if you email me your full name and mailing address

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This is a question That goes back to something you said earlier.

Now you have the liberty Latane to Keep this as lengthy or as

brief as you want because I'm not prepared to have a whole program Dedicated to this or have a debate of any

kind but We have Jerry in Charlestown, New Hampshire

Who says I am very much enjoying the discussion with dr Scott her commitment to the beauty of biblical

femininity is very apparent and it is refreshing to hear if I may I Did want to

follow up on dr. Scott's belief that the book of Hebrews was written by Priscilla.

Certainly Priscilla was a woman wonderfully versed in Scripture who with her husband helped

Instruct Apollos regarding the faith, but a couple of points seem to indicate the author was

male.

First the author uses a masculine participle in chapter 11 verse 32.

Would fail me to tell you.

Second the author indicates to his audience that he planned on visiting the church to whom he was writing in

13 19 and 23 and it was very rare in biblical times for a woman to travel by

herself to the Diaspora Christians in biblical times and

I'll stop there because he has more do you care to comment on any of that?

First person who dealt with the at length with the idea

that Priscilla was the author of the book of Hebrews was

Karnak and secondly was

a woman named Ruth Hoppen HOPP. I am and Ruth Hoppen's book I

think it's called Priscilla's letter to the Hebrews

show PP. I am.

Both of them deal with the male participle Argument, even though I

read biblical Greek, I'm not an expert in it.

But I would have to bow to those who are more adept at that I can

say this the second part of his question was about a woman traveling alone.

We don't know at what point that Priscilla and Aquila stayed

married and I don't mean that they got divorced.

I mean, it was quite Common in biblical

pre -deceased the wife as it is and the

world that she could have traveled in the company of other people as a Group

that way.

It's my opinion that by the time the end of the book of Hebrews is written that.

The.

Comments.

Kind of like when we see as

he's writing.

The other thing that almost all modern scholars agree on is that

Paul himself did not write the book of Hebrews because I think it's in Hebrews

chapter 3 it the writer indicates that He or she was

not a witness of my tack that I took in this

novel and it's not nonfiction it's a novel.

Was that Priscilla?

Intelligent woman was a convert to Christianity

that she was literally overcome by revelation the same sense that Many

of the Old Testament prophets were picked up carried off and and that visions are birth.

So that that book Jerry and again, I just really appreciate your

things like the the novel should be out in about six months and if

Jerry will if Chris if you will

address to me and he would like to read the manuscript copy of it.

I'd be happy to let him sure.

And wow, that's pretty.

Very nice honor to be able to read a manuscript like that.

Well, that's great Jerry.

Just his final comment or question in his email is.

Third it seems as though God has designed that the biblical headship of men in the church, especially in 1st Timothy

2 12 Would certainly apply to spirit inspired authoritative books

written for the edification of the church.

I think what I hear Jerry saying I'm writing it

that we see we do see in the seven.

I think there are seven examples where I think

it's four editions first.

I don't think that's an indicate authority.

But for him in her

office and that perhaps she

a different function in the church.

That didn't include as much teaching as hers.

It is interesting.

It isn't.

I'm sorry.

Okay, it is interesting that there is so much mystery behind the author of this letter

and that it's You know purposely Unidentified

But Anyway, well, thank you Jerry and guess what Jerry you are getting a free copy of the book.

We are addressing today Just you me and God a devotional guide for couples reading through the Bible in

one year.

Thank you very much for your insightful question and even Written with

much grace and humility even though you were in disagreement with my guest and

Let's see here.

We have Arnie and Perry County, Pennsylvania.

Who asks?

Don't you agree?

Latane that a key to Surviving the battles

and disagreements and hardships of marriage is always to recall the

fact that you are a sinner saved by grace and And remembering all the things that Christ

Jesus has forgiven you personally for and then in turn Realizing that the things that you

are typically forgiving your spouse for pale into insignificance when

Compared to the forgiveness you have received yourself from God.

I mean that you put that better than that I could.

I I just remembered that I was catastrophically wrong About things

for ten years of my life.

But miles my own soul in danger.

So when I remember that that I could be so wrong so informed and yet so wrong It makes

me be more understand

that he He married a weird lady.

I mean, I was so messed up, you know coming from a from a bad Home

life and coming from a cult.

I mean my goodness and so I never I never forget that and

He will tell me.

You know that when he apologized that you need to forgive me and I I remember that I

always remember that Jesus said if I don't forgive that I can't get forgiveness.

And Chris I have so many goodness for I can't afford not to do.

Can't afford and well, thank you Arnie and you are getting the last copy

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And We do have let's say we have another listener.

Mastic Beach Long Island, New York.

We have Tyler and I have to enlarge Tyler's question because the font is so tiny.

I can't read it and I need to get new glasses Tyler

says.

Is it important for single men to be accustomed to devotional time on a regular basis

in?

Preparation for marriage later on.

Oh, I think the same

principle

Applies I

think if you're not in the habit

Bill library of the words of God in your mind Control

to you to impose that on anybody else or to ask it of anybody else.

So I'd say yes, absolutely.

And don't think that you're going to reform yourself and your wife.

Hate to tell you that doesn't usually work

and sorry about that.

I had you on mute accidentally or should I say had me on mute?

It seems to sound better when I put my own microphone on mute for some reason.

In fact, I think many of my listeners would prefer that.

I always have my.

But.

Tyler thanks a lot for listening and for the great question and please keep listening to honor sharpens

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Every person should when they are single should be living in

preparation for Life as if they would be married if that

is indeed something that they believe that they want in their lives.

Obviously, there's nothing sinful or wrong or inferior To prefer

remaining single for the rest of your life, of course.

Motives are always key in any and anything like that.

Obviously a person could have selfish and sinful motives for that but but

Obviously Paul didn't think that there was anything dishonoring about being single.

But if you are Intending to be married obviously living

with With the great preparation to be.

A.

Blessing to whatever spouse God may give you it would be very wise and and one of the reasons I

even bring that up In fact, I'll let you answer when we return from the break is I can

recall prior to my own marriage During a time of

courtship with my late wife.

I can recall some Women who we would fellowship with, you know when we would have fellowship with other couples.

Telling my my fiance that I that she did not need to submit to me until

after we were married and that we would have we would have like examples in our little public

gatherings of when Perhaps my late wife did not want to be submissive on this or

that and I was demonstrating some kind of an authority Over the subject and the woman

would chime in and say hey, you shouldn't be telling her what to do.

She's not your wife yet.

Don't you think that that even during the courtship stage that these kinds of things

should already be?

We should be.

You know preparing ourselves for that Those days ahead and I will I

will get have your answer when we return from the break.

So if anybody else would like to join us on the air We do have at least two more people who are waiting to have their questions

asked.

But if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnson.

If you just tuned us in our guest today has been For the last 90 minutes

and will be for the next half hour to come.

Dr. Latane C Scott.

We have been and will continue addressing her book Just you me and God a devotional guide for

couples reading through the Bible in one year.

Our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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Please give us at least your first name.

City and state and country of residence unless the subject matter is so personal and

sensitive and intimate that you would prefer remaining anonymous.

And for those of you who Heard me yesterday announced that I was going to

continue airing some of the g3 Interviews that I conducted

in Atlanta, Georgia at the g3 conference.

Threading them throughout live programs.

Well, I'm not going to do that today just because we had too many Listeners

submit questions for Latane, so I will try to resume airing those

Interviews that I conducted.

Those brief interviews I Conducted at g3 next week until I have aired all of

them.

There's only a few left that I have not played yet.

So for those of you who I interviewed who have not heard your own interview yet.

If you could be patient, I certainly intend to air each and every one of those interviews I conducted and I

thank you so much for Sitting down with me at g3 and taking the time to conduct

those interviews.

We have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York who wants to know how do you go about writing

a devotional guide.

For reading the Bible in one year with an emphasis on Couples

reading it when not everything in the scriptures is involving that

issue of marital relationships, etc.

Is there a to tempt a temptation for isa Jesus where you're inserting?

Meanings in various passages.

To make them accommodate the subject of couples when that was never the

author's intention.

Oh, that's a great question.

Just I'm thumbing through the book right now.

Almost every question.

There is a question that for a couple to discuss.

It doesn't have anything to do with.

And someone well that

doesn't have anything to do with marriage.

The purpose of the book is not to get people to focus on marriage through

scripture.

Quite a different thing.

And.

No, and and I would feel very in genuine.

Trying to write a book that just tried to get you to out of every

scripture.

Every scriptural be of them.

You know Purpose of the

book is for a man and a wife to both know the scripture well enough to talk about it to each other.

To be comfortable talking about it to each other and for the man and a woman to stay on the same

spiritual wavelength.

It's also I have had many single people read through this book and read the

Questions and just apply them

to.

Oh, by the way, I forgot about my own question.

I.

Hoping you forgot about that.

No, I'm not trying to get in trouble and by the way, I did not mean by that that a Woman who

is not married yet to her fiance is obligated to submit in every area of life.

Just as a wife would but don't you think that that should be a developed

habit of life if she intends to marry this man to begin even before they're married and in many

areas of their fellowship.

I'll answer that in two ways Chris.

One is if.

If I felt uncomfortable, I doubt I would feel a lot more

comfortable afterwards.

Yeah, right.

I'm just speaking as a woman.

I don't know about this to grow into that.

But I I do think that would be a warning flag for a spiritist.

Why if his perspective wife is not interested in and doesn't understand.

I'm about to explain next as well.

And part two what I was about to explain next is.

In teaching I use something called the 3d model of reality and it shows that there's a scene and an unseen

side to reality.

They're not two realities.

But there's only one reality.

The part you can see the unseen

can't see the angels.

We can't see God, but they're just as real as what we see.

Well.

Just as Christ on earth being visible submit he

showed a Structure shall we say that is

reflected

my opinion?

I know I'm going to have you guys be very unhappy with this but I believe that it's

the same symbol the same reflection of Submission of one to another now Jesus

Christ did not submit to the father because he was inferior to the decision to

do that.

When a when I sit in a corporate worship and don't

it's not because he's better.

I want anybody else there that comes into the congregation to see that I'm

participating in a symbol That is written in first Corinthians.

It says that outsiders come into a congregation and they make up they draw conclusions and they say

surely God is among these people and What I want to show in my submission

to my husband and to male leadership is Yes, I want you to see that there's more going on

here than meets the eye.

And I'm doing things not on the basis of what I think Happened or who's best

or who's the best speaker or who's the best thing or whatever it is?

I'm doing it because I want to picture something that God himself pictures.

That the unseen the same.

Well, I think you answered it very well.

And Let's see.

We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and

BB wants to know What advice could you give to women of faith in

order to prevent them from making foolish decisions by Thinking they can develop

a romantic relationship with an unbeliever With the mindset that they can lead that

person to Christ.

Some Religions have even called this kind of thing missionary dating, but

I'm Actually just speaking of women who are more naive who perhaps are attracted to men

Who are more gregarious or outgoing than many of the shy Christian men?

Are prone to be.

Do you have any advice for these sisters?

I am an

example of

some.

However, we did.

Jesus Christ.

I Think the danger the big danger

scripturally unprepared personalities trying to or

dating or whatever trying to.

Someone who's not a Christian that is the danger but the real danger is marrying such a person and thinking you're

going to convert them later because.

Statistically that doesn't happen, right?

Right, and I'm sure that although you had a very wonderful outcome to your situation

Just because something has worked out well by God's mercy In a certain

circumstance doesn't mean it's a it's a model or pattern to follow.

I know I'll give you an example.

I know at least one woman Who married an atheist she was a

Christian when doing so?

Married an atheist and the man eventually did

repent believed Was baptized is an on -fire Christian very involved in the church

now and some might view that Example as hey see she did it and look what happened to that guy.

But obviously just because that was just because somebody's experience was

Blessed by God in spite of it being perhaps disobedient That doesn't mean that

people should follow that example.

That's basically what I'm trying to say.

Do you agree with that?

I often think of myself as so many things in my life

wasn't worth it.

But boy, what a way what a way is on anybody.

I wouldn't.

I'm grateful for what the woman and

I did it.

He will admit that it was just dumb luck that he knew who to ask.

Get me and that sort of thing.

No, he would say that because he himself did not have the scriptural tools to do.

So.

Grace of God is absolutely the grace of mercy and the sovereignty of Almighty God.

Who had who saw in this situation.

Something he wanted to use and praise his name for doing that because he didn't owe me that.

We have another anonymous listener who asks Why why is it that so

many Christian women seem to be drawn to Unbelieving men.

Is this failure completely on the part of Christian men who are not

appropriately trained in etiquette and socializing skills.

Or is it something that innately is wrong in what these women are desiring or could it

be a combination of both?

I'll tell you what.

I told my daughter and I told my daughter's friend

and that would

benefit you don't

rescue anybody.

That's not your role is to go

to godly mate so that you can be equally.

And I told her friends the same thing I don't care.

It would be wonderful to rescue somebody.

I want you wasting your life trying to Convince

some inclined to do it to begin.

It is odd how I.

Don't know if it's supernatural forces in the demonic realm or what goes on but it is

amazing When I have seen people that I know personally.

Who.

I'll give you two different examples a one a woman who became a Christian

she was not a born -again believer prior to her marriage and When she became a Christian

She actually Was trying her best to be a more submissive wife

than ever before.

Something that you would think every man Would be dreaming and hoping for and she

was not pushing her faith down her husband's throat she would only politely ask

him on occasion to accompany her to church and the man

got sick of it and Abandoned his wife.

He said and he said if God is in that house.

I'm the other way.

I'm leaving and And I've heard the same with a couple of

men that I've known who when they became believers and became more devoted to their wives than

ever before and Stopped flandering and stopped flirting with other women

and on and on and spent much more time at home.

The wives left them.

It's just amazing that that can happen.

And I don't know if we will ever know this side of glory why?

Those things happen, but I can't help but sometimes think that there's actually the demonic realm at work and things like that

We have.

I usually don't allow our listeners to have more than two questions, but I'm gonna let Tyler ask

another question.

Tyler from Mastic Beach, Long Island New York says recently my twin sister was engaged to her

fiance on our birthday a week ago.

Is there any practical biblical advice I can give them since they are both quished Christians?

That's very broad in general question, but very good one.

Amen.

And Obviously this being his sister perhaps.

You have any advice for him?

When he has private conversations with her because I'm sure you would agree that we shouldn't just

automatically Throw our hands up and say well, they're getting married.

There's nothing we could do about it if they are not yet married.

Tyler hasn't said anything about his sister's fiance.

Don't you think that?

Perhaps we should be more bold With people that we love when they are

announcing that they're getting married.

To really start be become

thoroughly more Examining of this person that

your loved one is going to marry and so on.

I'm gonna obviously people could take that too far.

But is there any advice in that way?

For Tyler in regard to the protection of his sister.

Some of the of my

life about

to happen and I feared

Please don't do this and here are reasons why I will love you.

Amen.

Well, obviously this is something that has triggered a deep emotion in you.

So I I am praying right now For this situation, whatever

it eventually came to be and I would like you to

now have at least five minutes of uninterrupted time where you could summarize what you most

want our listeners to walk away from this program with in regard to just you me and God

and devotional guide for couples reading through the Bible in one year.

I believe God cries out from his heart from heaven saying my people by the

lack of knowledge and That he has given us and

his mind.

In this written record is Condescended to let

his infinite intelligence be put into our puny human words So that we can

understand.

People throughout history have

fought

and died God's law the word sides

are unsolved.

They cannot

salvation that any obstacle that stands in my

way or your way.

You don't

have to read my book.

You know

insisted in you and

your children read your

children see this.

Our grandmothers and grandfathers let your grandchildren see this.

Choose books and movies and activities that Encourage them to talk about

so that he can make that record in the book of

Malachi said.

But he can make a distinction on he

yearns his son has given his

life Valiant Christians through the ages

but to give

us this.

Amen.

Well Latane.

I know that your website is Latane .com L -a

-t -a -y -n -e dot -com and If I'm sure that you

post on there any upcoming writing projects that you have.

And you have a blog there as well.

I understand, correct?

Yes, there's a blog on there and and I'm also on Facebook and I'd like interacting with people on Facebook to

me.

That's the social media.

I'm most comfortable with and so it's somewhere into me

and.

As long as their platform on my

page, I'm happy to.

Yes, Facebook and all that kind of social media can be a Extremely

valuable tool.

I know that I probably Would not have nearly as many listeners as I do without it, but it

can become a Leech for your valuable time.

It could suck the life out of you and monopolize you and

Can distract you and it can you can actually turn it into a curse into your life

if you allow yourself to get overly wrapped up in that and.

I.

Definitely want our listeners to know that they can hear Other

interviews that I've conducted with Latane in the past on various subjects including her conversion

out of Mormonism and also, I Highly recommend that

you listen to an interview that I conducted with a co -author of hers Dr. Stephen

Collins, who is a Christian archaeologist and They Latane and dr. Collins wrote

a fascinating book Titled discovering the city of Sodom

and I'm Assuming since you co -authored this book with dr. Collins that you are

Quite as certain as he is that he has indeed Discovered that very

sight of the ancient and wicked city of Sodom that this is not just a theory He really believes with certainty

that he has discovered.

I.

Think we've got People as as authoritative as dr. Lane Whitmire

who does all of the official drawings for the Israeli government?

He is convinced that the city of Sodom

Established archaeology that this is the only explanation

and yes, absolutely.

And the Latane also has a book on.

Hospitality that we discussed on the air.

We she has a book on poetry Passion power proxy release which we've discussed

so you can find all of that information at Latane calm Latane calm

and She even wrote a thriller Novel that my

nephew Who is an award -winning writer of horror fiction

wrote a glowing commendation for?

And he Was not expecting to write a glowing commendation for because my

nephew Michael is not a Christian he's got his doctorate in American

literature and he teaches courses at

Seton Hill College on screenplay writing and other things and Since he is not a

Christian.

He had a biased against the kind of

Literary work that a Christian might produce especially in the genre of writing that he

champions and he was was Pleasantly shocked by Latane's

book and wrote a very very glowing commendation and he did not just write it Because he was my

nephew and he was trying to make me happy because he even told me beforehand I'm gonna tell it like it is Chris

because my the opinion of my my Readers and fans is

very important to me and I don't want them to think that I've slipped in my discernment.

So if I don't like this book, that's what I'm gonna write and he sure enough Wrote a

wonderful endorsement.

I know that you hold that Endorsement as quite a wonderful

gift that you received from him.

How I treasure it I treasure it.

Well, thank you so much Latane for being on the program.

I want to let our listeners know that next week our guests include

Joe Carter and Jim Neuheiser and Steve Cooley and Ryan McGraw

and Chuck Volo.

Chuck Volo is sure to be a Fascinating interview.

I had Chuck on once before but we had problems with the equipment here and The

recording did not come out.

So I'm looking forward to Chuck coming back on.

Chuck is one of the very few Evangelicals I know who has a ministry to the

Amish and he has led many Amish Folks to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

A lot of people just think that the Amish are Christians who live in a unique way, but they

have a very very works righteousness Religion that has nothing to do

with salvation by grace alone through faith alone.

It's a very meritorious Centered works salvation

Religion where men can even go to hell for wearing the wrong suspenders.

So, I mean and I'm not even joking, but I'm sure you'll be blessed by that if you listen to that a week from today.

But I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who took the time to write.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far

greater Savior than you or a sinner.

I hope you all have a very safe and blessed weekend and Lord's Day.

And I look forward to hearing from you next week with your questions for our guests on iron sharpens iron radio.

God bless.