Dead Men Walking Podcast: Cade Foehner

Opening Banter and Introducing the Guest

Exploring theology, doctrine, and all of the fascinating subjects in between, broadcasting from an undisclosed location. Dead Men Walking starts now. Well hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of Dead Men Walking.

We are glad to have you along. My name is Greg Moore and to my left I have Jason Hamlin. Thanks for having me Greg. Oh thanks for being here. You're here every time though. I stopped inviting you six months ago and you still show up on Sunday nights.

Hey thanks for the microphone bro. So anyway thanks back to the show. Yeah you can't take it home with you leave it here all right. Gosh you musicians always walking off with people's mics and cords. I need equipment.

I need some equipment. And you're a bass and guitar players you guys aren't trustworthy like us keyboard players. Man you know what I would never say that but. So how you doing brother? Man doing awesome.

We are we are coming up on Christmas. I don't know when this is gonna come out but we know we can say. I say Christmas because I think we'll push it out before then. Yeah yeah. Because the guests we have on the line right now and usually we do a little more talking back and forth.

Yep. And Christmas season is upon us but we have someone on the line right now that I wanted to get on the show. We actually saw him down at the Fight Left Feast conference. Fight Left Feast yeah. Right in Nashville in October.

He is just a phenomenal musician. Yeah. He's a brother in the Lord. I did want to before we introduce him I want to give you a little bit of this song that he did called Fade to Black because it features.

It's really cool. It's good. It's cool. Yeah. It's it's happening. I'm hip. I'm cool. I'm hip. Is that what the kids are saying? Hip. Cool. Okay. You know. Something like that. But he did but but it the part that I selected to has a little bit of some Doug Wilson preaching.

Yeah. We're Doug Wilson fans. We like Dougie Boy right? Man we had him on. Dougie Fresh. We had him on down there. Yeah we had him on. So I guess. Can you believe that he actually came on our show. I should have looked at Doug and said did we just become best friends?

Yep. He would have probably not said anything. Would have just stared at you. Right. So listen to a little bit of this Fade to Black and then we're gonna get to our guest. Yep. Oh I love it man. Between the preaching and that sick beat and that great vocal.

So he is an American Idol finalist. He's married to Gabby. I think he's just married this last year. They're expecting a new one next month. Very nice. His world's about to change. Oh man. I've got three.

Yep. You got a what? I got two. Six month old. Yeah. You got two and you just had a new one. And she's a very accomplished musician too. We might get into that. Yeah. I mean country music artist of the year.

Yeah. You know song popular all these awards stuff like this. Obviously teamed up with Doug Wilson for that song. Ladies and gentlemen we have Cade Fainter on the line today. How are you sir? We're good.

How are y 'all? Great man. We're doing all right. Brother thanks so much for taking some time calling in and talking to us. So why don't you give our listeners, you know I gave a short bio but why don't you give us a little condensed version of who you are, how you came to the Lord, what you're doing now in music and you know bring us up to speed.

Cade Foehner's Testimony and Path Toward Reformed Theology

Yeah. Thank you for having me on. I sure appreciate you, you know, wanting to hear me spew out some stuff on your show. Hopefully I don't take it too bad. But yeah, I'm from East Texas. I grew up, you know, the typical kind of going to church nominally sort of thing that's so common in the South and I had no reference point for reform theology.

The only thing I had was in history class in my high school. So I went to public school. That's my excuse for everything. I went to public school and the only thing they told me about Martin Luther and John Calvin is they believed in this crazy thing called predestination.

Right. So wrong. So that's all I had. So yeah, that's all that we came from in our beliefs. I thought that it all just started with, you know, America. So I got into college and I became just extremely curious about what does the Bible say?

Not that I didn't have faithful preaching growing up. I had a very good pastor. He did the best he could with what he had because he didn't, again, have that historical reference that is so rich in reform theology, right?

We have so many reference points of, like, why don't we teach the way we teach? It's not in a vacuum sort of thing. And he's still a good friend of mine, and I still go to church there when we're in Texas.

But so it's not his fault is what I'm saying. It's not his fault. So again, with just the whole typical, like I listen to Loewenstein a lot, you know, just that was our culture. And around college, I decided, you know what, I'm going to read my Bible.

I'm going to really dig in here and see what this is about. Why do we believe what we believe? Why was I baptized when I was a young kid? I don't remember why, but, you know, why all these things. And so through just biblical study, I've got led to various teachers here and there and yonder, which led me to, I used to always call it the gateway drug, John Piper.

And so got to him, and then that led me to John MacArthur and then, you know, Al Mohler and all these different people. And then, you know, a few years into digging and digging, digging, I found people like Doug Wilson, you know.

It just took a lot of digging to get there. There's so many people just covering up, and I still haven't figured out why. But so that's kind of the journey there. Just after a lot of Bible study and reform, which story-wise on the music side would be, I started band in high school and, you know, just was totally, totally into music, wanted to be the next Black Crows and all this sort of stuff.

I was very into the 60s and 70s rock music, and that's how I learned how to play guitar, was watching DVDs of these guys in concert and just trying to mimic their fingers and stuff. And that's how I taught myself how to play.

And one thing led to another, you know, there's not a big music scene where I grew up in East Texas. It was very rural, and I mean, we grew up on a farm. There's not much to play to but the cows and, you know, your granny.

Right. So I decided to try out for a show. I tried out for American Idol in like maybe 2015 and got rejected for that. And then I tried it for The Voice and it made it like to the television part of that show and got rejected at that point.

And then I tried Idol one more time while I was going to school for biblical theology, like in 2017. I was going online and wanted to give music one more shot where I just hung it up for good and went the preaching route and made it through.

And that was 2018. That was the year I made it to the top five. I mean, I was either fourth. We always joke. I was either fourth or fifth. Two of us got eliminated at the same time. And I like to pretend like I was fourth, but I don't know.

I wasn't as good as the other guy. So I was either fourth or fifth. And my lovely wife, she was third place. So I feel like fourth was mine because that's right behind her, you know. You know, so that's where, yeah, that's where I met her as well.

We met on the television show, which is not the, not the, that's the exception to the rule. Don't meet your wife on a television show unless, you know, it's just, just meant to be. But, but the Lord, you know, yeah, we met and, you know, just really, I don't know, fell in love.

And we just got the coolest story because we've got to tour, you know, America together in the past. I mean, just, just the two years of knowing each other, we've traveled the whole United States together, you know, playing shows and doing all sorts of stuff.

And so after, yeah, after the show, we got hitched, you know, cause that's what we were foreign folks do. We get married and, and, uh, and we were having a baby. Oh, that's awesome. Next month, right?

Yeah.

Christian Conviction in a Secular Music Career

So you're, yeah, your life is about to change brother, but it's going to change for the good. Yeah. Well you're going to sleepless nights and, uh, you know, it'll be all right though. It's Hey, I was up last night with, uh, Emsley.

She's 10 months old and, uh, you know, she, she was, she's been waking up from about one to about three 30. So I was on daddy duty from about one to three 30 last night, trying to get her to go back to work.

I'll tell you what, when they're younger, that, that age can be a little bit, a little tiresome, but I'll tell you what's all right, man. When you sit down, I laugh and I love it. My nine year old, we just had a, we had a discussion about natural rights versus legal rights and, and the culture of victimhood and, uh, man, daddy couldn't have been prouder.

I just went, man, these kids are so cool. Especially when you're homeschooled like we do. They don't get any of that garbage, man. They're, they're hearing, uh, they're total twins and classical conversations in the Bible, baby.

Well, I was, I was talking to her about all the, uh, doctrines of faith. So it's all good. Now I do slip in some Johnny cash in the, in the music section. They do know a few ACDC songs and some Led Zeppelin songs.

We talk about what those songs are about, but you want to know what I ain't got of a decent blues rift. I mean, Thunderstruck, you know, I mean, it's all right. Right. You know? Yeah. So I was listening to some of your music brother and I messaged you and said, how did our past not cross?

This just goes to show how old and out of touch I am. And I'll tell you what, I don't know what the heck's going on. You hit 39 brother. Yeah. And, uh, you don't know what's going on in the scene. You're doing kids stuff, family stuff, business stuff.

And I watched some of your video, your videos on YouTube. I listened to your stuff on iTunes. I went, Oh my gosh, I love the, the vibe, the sound, just the raw rawness of, of the sound. And then, you know, what a bonus to know that he's a brother in the Lord.

Right. And then double bonus when you find out, Oh yeah, it was a guy we saw down at five. He's a Doug Wilson guy. He's a reformed guy. Yeah. He really knows the Bible. Oh, exactly. He's reformed. He must be a good guy.

Right. But I did want to ask you this question for the listeners because Jason's a musician. I'm a musician. He was internationally touring musician. I mean, for years, all over the world, uh, and did really well at that.

Me, not so much. Uh, but how was it when you're balancing, I mean, the, the, the, the profession of professional music? I mean, it is, it is so just entrenched, just like actors or Hollywood or anything else.

It's so entrenched in a secular culture. Uh, what's that challenge there for you as, you know, a brother in the Lord, who's reformed and going, you know, I'm gonna be in a, in a part of the world. That's just so almost anti God.

What, what were those challenges for you? And did you see.

Any challenges? Yeah, no, it's, it's always challenging. It just depends on, uh, what, what has helped me and Gabby so much is, uh, what's the point. What are you getting at with this music? Um, do you do it as, as an end unto itself or are you a Christian?

Right. What's the trajectory? What are you going after? Um, and so that helps a lot that helps all the speed bumps, all the, all the things that we did, some of the things that we turned down, some of the, you know, appearances on like big stuff, but it's, it's, it's got too much of that bent to it that we just can't in good conscience go to it.

So that's, that's where we are told to count it as joy, count it as joy that you're valid for his name. Right. Um, you know, I mean, we have our, of course we have our Twitter, our Twitter, uh, people who, who hack heckle us all the time, which is always fun because they're all a bunch of weenies and, you know, uh, you know, I don't know.

I find it. Yeah, I find it. Um, it's, it, it could be difficult and you could be, you know, sell off if you want to, or you could have fun and, and realize that, um, you know, the Lord is going to give what he wants.

He's going to take away what he wants. And I do remember speaking to that Wilson. I remember something he said, I don't remember where it was. Um, but, uh, he talked about if he was going to be president of the United States or something like that, um, tomorrow, they should be surprised at the way he does what he does.

Right. Like if he says something, if he does something, no one should be surprised about whatever he says, because he's been consistent up to that point. He has, he's not changed. It's not that you're not trying to pull a slick one on, on the culture or your fans, um, to where, uh, you know, you, you don't talk about the gospel.

You don't talk about, uh, the, uh, the sins of the culture. You don't, you know, you stray away from those things. Of course, you'd want to be winsome. Don't get me wrong. You don't want to just bust in there with all of it at the same time, be winsome and all those things, of course, but, uh, you don't back down from those things either.

Um, you walk that straight line that you're supposed to. So, uh, Doug Wilson talking about that, uh, there should be no surprise, no matter where they put me, you know what I mean? There should be no surprise about what we're doing either, uh, as musicians, uh, to someone.

We should be so open, so, uh, open-handed and everything that, um, there should again,.

Be no surprises about the whole thing. Right. Yeah, for sure. I went, uh, when I was touring and traveling, it was, uh, the people that were around me, you know, that, that, that really matter. We tried to build a team, you know, that, that was what we were trying to do was try to build a team of people that had the same goal in mind.

Um, uh, the team that we built, uh, ended up being the, uh, first, uh, woke team. Probably we were probably, we, we probably ended up with more, uh, woke Christianity on our team than we realized. And that's where the fence showed up, which the devil owns.

And that's where, you know, I mean, like we, we were, uh, we were playing that, you know, at first when we were going out there, it was like, man, we want to share the gospel. You know, we, we want to, we want to write some tunes that are more inclusive than exclusive, you know, using these, this, these verbiages.

Um, uh, and, and, uh, you know, it was, it was like, man, that was a, uh, a tunnel that we went down that really ruined our career. I feel, you know, I mean, because we, we'd stepped away from what, you know, what we were called to do.

And we were called to glorify God in all these different venue. I mean, we were playing secular venues all over the country. Um, uh, all, well, Japan, Japan, Europe. I mean, we played all over, but, uh, but yeah, man, I mean, you know, it was, he's like the David Hasselhoff of Germany, of Japan.

Yes, I am. And I used to wear a button down shirt showed off my chest hair. Okay. No, yeah, but it was, it was the team around us, you know, that, that, you know,.

Hollywood, Wokeness, and the Strengthening of Conviction

I hear you. Yeah. And now, um, yeah, to put the other side with it, of course, when I first, um, got to, you know, Los Angeles, the first time I'd ever been out there, uh, with a battle and everything, um, it was certainly a shock.

I mean, there was, you know, a transgender, uh, you know, there was a lesbian, there was, uh, uh, a guy who challenged me on, on, do you believe the Bible? Like one of my first days that I was there, you know, uh, and you have to understand what a shift this was from where I was from.

I was from a place where everyone was assumed to be safe. Everyone believed that. Yeah. I mean, you're in Texas, man. Right. Right. At worst, you're going to be annoying. Yeah. And so, um, when I got there, that was, that was tough in a way because I'd never been challenged in a real way.

Yeah. Uh, you know, I never really had a conversation with a Buddhist or, or someone who thought witchcraft was cool. Um, and so, but that really, I don't know that it could have gone one or two ways.

I could have, um, you know, fallen off into all that inclusive crap or, uh, you know what I mean? It's, but what it actually did was strengthen what was there, um, and strengthen my resolve that the gospel is true.

You do need to repent. You are wrong, you know, that God says. Um, and so, uh, yeah, and that's been, yeah, through good teachers as well, though. Good books, good teachers. And of course, you know, the Bible, uh, being our reference, knowing that, that did too, that strengthened, um, uh, of course I was reformed then, but not, uh, you know, I don't know.

We're always reforming, right? That's our, that's one of our phrases. But, um, uh, you know, I had that intellectual understanding of, okay, we believe the inerrancy of scripture, the sufficiency and the authority and all of those wonderful things.

But, um, you know what I mean? To get in those situations, uh, to where it's really tempting to be the cool guy and continue with the crowd. Um, it, that's where boys are separated from men, right? Where we strengthen our resolve and say, yes, this is true.

I will stay with the Bible on these things. Yeah, here we go. What did, uh, go ahead. Oh, no, no, no.

I was just going to ask is, is it, uh, easier in the country music arena than in another, you know what I mean? He's got a little bit of hillbilly rock in there too, though. I don't know if you classify yourself as a country strictly, or, I mean, you got a little rock in there.

And when I say hillbilly, I'm saying, I'm not saying, you know, hillbilly derogatory, like hillbilly rock. Well, we're talking about the country music. Oh, like the industry. Yeah. Industry. Sorry. You know me.

I wasn't paying attention. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Yeah. The answer,.

Country Music, Moral Capital, and Cultural Decline

The easier one first, the, uh, uh, yeah, it's, I don't know. I do country stuff. Uh, I started doing rock and then I've really more kind of settled into the country area just because I also, cause my wife is, she plays country music, so it's just a little more natural now.

But to the other question, um, uh, so yeah, country music is, um, it's easier in a way, but it's also in that Nashville in general, it's in that weird stage where again, it's, uh, you have these songs about Jesus and, uh, you know, but, but it's all of that.

Uh, Jesus is not going to judge me stuff. You know, it's in that weird beer with Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And so buddy. Yeah. And so it's, uh, in that weird spot, but there's still, uh, I just got through reading, um, Francis Schaeffer's, uh, how should we then live or powers worded.

And, um, he talks about in there that, um, there's only so long you can live off the moral capital of Christian, Christendom, Christian, Christianity, and, um, the, the morals from, uh, you know, how we got the Western civilization today is because of Christianity, but there's only so long you can live off of that.

And I think those key evidence is in there that, uh, he, he traces through the arts and the music of certain time periods, the enlightenment reformation and all of those temperatures. And it, it does show where the culture is headed.

You know, it always reflects that sort of stuff. And so in the pop world, you have where, where country music is headed, right? Yeah. They're off the cliff. They've already driven off the cliff, the cliff.

We, me and my wife watched the Grammys, the other, uh, whenever that was, and I mean, it was atrocious. Yeah, it was, it was atrocious and, and disgusting and absolutely, I mean, just now I know why we don't watch television, you know what I mean?

You turn it on, it's just how far culture can go in five years. But, um, so that's off the cliff because, I mean, you could symbolize that the pop world is kind of the liberal left. I think you could say and so let's say the right being, uh, uh, country music, like a lot of the rights, let's just country music.

Uh, we're, we're lagging behind, but we're still heading the same direction. Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're, uh, we're embracing 10 years ago. Um, 10 years ago was popular ideas, right? We're just, we're like to the game, you know?

And so that was, that would be the long way of how I would characterize country music today. Yeah. It's still remnants of those, those things that we love, uh, but it's steadily going the wrong way.

Right. I mean, that's, that's, uh, I mean, I, I don't know if you're about to say something, I'm sorry if I cut you off. Um, uh, I feel like that's Christianity in a nutshell right there. Right now we are running into, you know, the world looks at us, I mean, you know, and they're saying, well, you don't, you're not doing anything different than I am, you know?

I mean, they're, they're, you know, there's, they're saying, okay, well, how do you separate yourself? You know, because I see you at the same places, we have the same drink, we have, you know, um, uh, whatever, whatever, whatever, you know, we talk about the same stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. So how are we, how are we separated? And why would I want to join your daddy in the sky, you know, um, situation, you know, it's, it's like, that's what people are, are seeing. And, uh, and man, I don't know if there's just going to be a huge reformation happening across the States or what, but man, so many more people are waking up to this and just saying, yeah, I am not, you know, I'm not living the way that I need to.

And there actually is something when you say you're a Christian, it's not just, Hey, I just punched my card. I'm headed to heaven, you know, and I could do whatever I want now, you know, it's, it's an actual life, you know, live, uh, for Christ, you know?

Christian Identity, Preaching, and Worship Music

Yeah. That's a good, that's kind of a good segue, if you don't mind. Cause I wanted to talk to you about just that. So you have so many artists that call themselves Christians and I'm a Christian artist, or I'm an artist that is a Christian, uh, but their, but their life maybe doesn't really reflect it to where then I get into, you know, looking up Cade videos and about five, six down after all the American idol ones, I see, Oh my gosh, this guy's preaching straight theology on some of these YouTube clips.

What what's going on there. So is that something you're doing kind of on the side you're doing for fun? Are you going to pursue that? I mean, obviously you said you went, you're going to school and all that, uh, MacArthur school.

Um, is that something you want to get into like preaching or, you know, scholarship, or are you just doing the YouTube stuff just to kind of say, Hey, I've got something here to say and,.

Uh, use my platform to say it. Yeah. Um, I've always been, uh, since I was about, uh, probably in sixth, seventh grade, I've wanted to be a preacher. Uh, that was kind of what I wanted to do. I think before I wanted to do anything was, uh, I went to my pastor and said, I want to preach.

And then he said to me, uh, he said, okay, I want you to preach next week. Uh, and so that scared me away from it for about two years. So I didn't pursue it at all. And, uh, but I just, I've never been able to get away from the Bible.

Like that was the thrill for me. Um, and so, uh, I don't know. It's, it is something that I definitely want to do. And that's why I'm going to school for it to answer that question. That is, that's why I'm headed to school for it is to, uh, I hope one day the Lord allows me, of course, to pass through a church, but, um, if that didn't happen, I really hope that he'd open up avenues for me to go and preach because I do love to preach and I have preached several different churches just randomly, uh, when I've been off and had time to do it, uh, back home.

And so, um, I mean, it's something I'd love to do. I mean, that's, that's my honest to goodness. That's my passion. And my wife gets it all day long, every day, you know what I mean? She gets my, you know, it's like you're sitting at home.

You want somebody.

To sit down and listen to this. Why do you think we started this podcast? Why don't you two go talk about it out in the studio? We're tired of hearing you preach all day to us. It's true. It's no, no, that's so true.

Yeah. That's so awesome though, man. Uh, just like I said, to see someone who is doctrinally and theologically grounded and also, uh, in that world, I tell you what, man, you put a church together though.

You're a musician. I'll tell you what, you can be like, well, I don't know. That's not an American idol standard there. I'm sorry. I said, turn into Simon Cowell a little bit or something.

Actually, uh, actually the, um, uh, my preference for church stuff though. I would, you're right. I'd be hard on them because I, I mean, I wouldn't want a whole band, you know, that's the thing about the other.

That's, you know, when I grew up again in that, in Southern culture and stuff, you, I don't know, you got rid of the hymns and you were doing all the, uh, the, the touchy feely songs. And then as I got older, um, you know, hearing hymns and doing all that, you know, I don't, I don't ever listen to anything other than, uh, you know, if it's worship music, I'm listening to hymns and songs.

I mean, that's cause I don't know. I did, especially as a performer, I don't want to see somebody perform. I'm not coming here for that. You know what I mean? As such, um, I don't know. It's just such a, that's one of those things.

I think that's, I don't know, gradually pulling the thread out of the church, if that makes sense. It's one now, of course not having instruments. I'm cool with that. I'm not one of those guys, but it's Mr. Cool, but I'm talking about this, this whole performance ideal of smoke machines, worship.

Yeah. I'm kind of in the same. So yeah. And I'd say that.

Oh, no, I'm kind of in the same place with you, man. I can sit down and listen to a secular song and totally enjoy the arrangement, the words of the chorus, the drums, the piano, everything in it and appreciate it for what it is.

It's not something I dwell on or I'm going to listen to all the time. Like I mentioned, I'll sit down and listen to a Zeppelin song and just go, yeah, he's one of the top three bands in the world, uh, you know, for me personally.

But when it comes to worship, cause I'm a piano player and a drummer as well. When it comes to worship, man, it's all hymns, Psalms. I mean, I've got maybe three or four guys that I listened to, to where it's like, it's, it's an intimacy and worship.

And I can really separate those two. A lot of people can't. Uh, there's a quote by, I'm going to read this quote real quick. Tell me what you think of this. This is by a general William Booth. Now he was a flaming Pentecostal.

Okay, guys, I will give you, I love this quote. I love this quote. He says secular music. Do you say belongs to the devil? Does it? Well, if it did, I would plunder him for it for he has no right to a single note of the whole seven, every note, every strand in every harmony is divine and belongs to us.

I don't know. I kind of get fired up when I think about that because I go look at my music. I do it all under the glory of God. And if, and if, and if the secular culture is going to try to steal and take the, uh, the arts and music and all these things from us and pervert it for, for the flesh, I say, we take it back, man.

I want to take it back because it's ours.

Beauty, Secular Music, and the Glory of God

Yeah. I have a thing for that really Pentecostal part of the, um, uh, it's to say we have in the South that, uh, even a blind squirrel finds an anchor or two. So that's probably true. Probably true. No, it's not probably true.

It really is true. That is very true. Um, and I like what, uh, I've heard Gabe branch. Yeah. He said something about, um, uh, you know, yes, atheists and secularists humanists can make music, but it's always ugly.

It's always ugly music. It's never anything actually pretty. And if, again, I think the same rule applies as what I just said, uh, blind squirrel finds an or two and they can stumble on some pretty music, you know what I mean?

Um, and some pretty spectacular things. And, but I do agree with you in principle that any beauty belongs to God because James tells us that, right. That every good, perfect gift comes from him. Absolutely.

Um, so yeah, I, you know, the only part that lost me was when Greg said he listens to the keyboard. We have a running gag on here. Keyboardists get no respect. Okay. Oh, geez. Come on. Oh, you have cool hair.

Like Cade van. Look at that hair. I know. Right. For, for those, you listen, we had Steven bank cars on van. He's got long hair too. I'm just like, gosh, I'm all bald. I showed my wife this. Uh, I said, oh yeah, we got Cade coming on and she goes, oh dude, it's like Samson.

I said, but pre Delilah, his brother ain't going to fall. Uh, but yeah. So as we wrapped this up here a little bit, what do you got going on right now? Cade? So what, like, what's, what's new for you?

What are your prospects? Are you touring? I know you got the little one coming next month, so you're probably going to go on a little break there, but I mean, music, uh, school, like what's happening with you.

So the listeners know where to find you and what's going on.

Sure. Yeah. Um, we just, yeah, we wrapped up for everything because, uh, the baby's due next month. And so with the last thing we did was CMA awards, we performed on there and that's when we shut it down after that, because that was just last month.

Um, and then we'll tour next summer, supposedly the COVID thing and how all that goes. Uh, but we're supposed to tour next summer. That's the goal. And the, we have that planned out, but we'll see if that actually plans out.

Um, but other than that, you know, God, uh, find me on YouTube and, uh, the Instagram and follow my wife because, you know, yeah. Yeah. Shout out her name real quick so people can find her too. Why not?

Yeah. Yeah. So her stage name is Gabby Barrett. Uh, uh, but don't worry everybody. She did change her last name. But yeah, she has my last name. Everybody chill out. And, um, and yeah, but you'd find her stuff on, uh, uh, you know, iTunes, all the places out there that does music stuff.

And, but yes, do string mine and Doug Wilson's song fade to black. Just put it out. I don't, I put music out when I feel like it now it's not pressured anymore because I play guitar with my wife. And so that's what we do.

Uh, that's our main thing. Uh, but this song, uh, came out of a mini retirement because Doug's cool and he's a man's man.

Are you going to do a full length or EP or anything with that tune?

No, it was just, just a plant. Cause we just started chatting, you know, after the conference and just wanted to do something that would be cool. And that was that, that song I had banked for a while, you know, I've written, I wrote it down two years ago or something.

And, uh, it just had that kind of Johnny cash. I feel like that he would fit well in it. It just, they just have to work out. Yeah, man. Yeah. Turned out good. Great tune. I've been sending.

It to everybody. Yeah, man. Jason, you got any final thoughts for us? Um, I think that, uh, no, I think this is, this has been a great, yeah, this is, this is my great little interview. Yeah. Well listen, Cade, we appreciate you taking time out of your day, especially with your family coming and stuff.

And, uh, we know we have from our family to do this. So it's important. Uh, when you, when you show up and you spend time with us, uh, listeners, make sure you check him out. Like he said on YouTube, uh, even those videos you do, man, I really appreciate those just speaking the word.

Um, I'm glad you're going to school. I'm glad you have a heart to be a preacher because we need more men of God that understand what it means to be a shepherd. We actually got an episode coming out on Ezekiel 34 next week, where we talk about that, where sometimes it can be a little disappointing on how shepherds see themselves in their role.

When in fact it is to care for those sheep, you know, and, uh, brother, just from your YouTube videos, your music and all that, I know, uh, your, uh, eventual church will be in good hands if the Lord wants it.

So guys, thanks so much for listening. Uh, check us out on YouTube, uh, parlor, Instagram, Facebook, dead men, walking podcast, same across the board. Very easy branding. Say it's branding branding my half a semester college paying off nerd.

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