June 17, 2021 Show with Jerry Slate on “Our Sovereign God’s Plan for Missions”

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But today I am so thrilled to have a first -time guest.

His name is Jerry Slate, and he is the pastor of Berean Baptist Church of Hiram,

Georgia.

He was a guest speaker very recently at the church where I am a member, Grace Baptist Church of

Carlisle, Pennsylvania, and I was so richly blessed by his preaching,

I immediately knew, not even halfway through his message, that I had to invite him

on to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

Jerry has served as the administrative council chairman for the Georgia

Association of Confessional Baptists, as well as chairman of Reformed Baptist Mission

Services.

He is a missionary conducting short -term mission trips each year as an extension of his

own church's ministry, and an author of two short biographical sketches published by

Solid Ground Christian Books, and if you listen to this program every day, you are fully aware that Solid Ground

Christian Books is a major sponsor of this program.

But those books are titled, William Carey and the Greatest Generation, and Faithfully

Holding the Ropes, The Life and Ministry of Samuel

Pierce, 1766 -1799.

He is also the co -author with Dr. Michael A .G. Haken of Loving God and

Neighbor with Samuel Pierce, and as I said earlier, he is the pastor of Berean Baptist Church of

Hiram, Georgia.

Today we are going to be discussing our Sovereign God's Plan for Missions, and it's my honor and privilege to

welcome for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Jerry Slate.

Good to be here with you, Chris.

Praise God.

Well, first of all, let our listeners know about Berean Baptist Church of Hiram, Georgia.

Yeah, Berean was started

over 18

years ago on a

map where

that is.

And this is a confessional reformed Baptist church.

Yes, there it is.

We fully subscribe to the Baptist confessional faith.

And if you want more details, if you happen to live near Hiram, Georgia, or are visiting there, or

have family, friends, and loved ones there, the website is bereanchurchps

.org.

That's B -E -R -E -A -N church.

P as in Peter, S as in Sam .org.

By the way, what does the PS stand for?

It actually stands for Potter Spring, my hometown of Potter Spring, God's

Providence.

All right.

I was wondering if it stood for Pastor Slate.

So you could tell that to people.

It does not.

Well, you could tell that to people anyway from now on.

Yeah, that's right.

Well, as we have a tradition here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, whenever we

interview a first -time guest, we have that guest provide for our listeners

a summary of their salvation testimony, which would include the religious atmosphere you were raised

in, if any, what kind of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that

drew you to himself and saved you.

So why don't you tell our listeners your story?

Yes, sir.

I was born in November of 1969, and

my dad didn't want the

man to mess

with him or talk

to him, so he

was lying.

He had met my mom in Illinois.

He's originally my mom, and I was

born in Southern Baptist Church and did not

know the Lord.

Mom and dad were fighting like crazy.

A guest

preacher came to our church, and he preached a series of messages like Monday

night and Tuesday night to him.

After, I looked

at my dad right in the eyes, and he said, Do you—.

Are you saved?

Break my dad—.

He—.

Memories of my dad—.

Really in the wake of my dad knowing the Lord.

My friend, I knew the Lord to

hell, but I didn't—.

Beyond that, I didn't know what it meant to be saved.

He did that because he wanted to

know of knowing what it is to be saved.

In his providence, he used

my dad lots of questions,

not letting go that the Lord—.

November of 1976,

in Mableton, West Side Baptist Church.

Praise

God.

When did

you come to discover the Reformed faith?

Well, my first quarter in Bible college, I was

in

Southern

Baptist Boy

Scouts.

At

that

time,

that

question

had been

teaching,

ascending in

Reformed theology, and the Reformed

Baptist Church was not

like what I am.

And it was Trinity Books, and then—.

Many books from them over the years.

Yes, yes.

Times on the Catholic Church has

been all my life.

And so I—.

Praise God.

Uh, well, uh, our theme today is our Sovereign

God's plan for missions.

I don't think this topic could be addressed too often, especially since

there remains a lot of confusion amongst Christians outside of the Reformed faith

about what we who are Reformed believe about missions.

There are obviously, sadly and tragically,

slanders and false caricatures that are perpetrated by

those outside of the Reformed faith, both, I believe, knowingly, and also those

statements perpetrated or perpetuated by people who are just ignorant of the facts

of Reformed theology.

They think that Reformed missions is an oxymoron.

They think that we who are Calvinists, because we believe that God is in

total sovereign control over all things that ever have happened and ever will

happen on heaven and earth and all of the universe, they think that means,

well, we just have to sit back and allow God to just do whatever

He wants to do, and we just do absolutely nothing.

So, please inform our listeners how this is just a total slander

against what we believe.

Yes, we believe in evangelism.

The Bible commands us.

We have to make that.

We can

have

common

with

the

names

of

all those who

have

God's

name

in

the

praises

of

God.

We send out missionaries to...

In fact, the doctrines of sovereign grace, Reformed

theology, Calvinism as it is nicknamed, it actually is of

infinite benefit to mission work, is it not?

Because unlike the Arminian or those outside of the

Reformed faith, we do not have a pessimistic attitude,

even if circumstances that we see and hear physically around us

or the efforts of a missionary or even an evangelist wherever he may live.

And when I say evangelist, I think that would include each and every person who is

sharing the gospel, proclaiming the gospel, defending the gospel to their family, their friends, their loved

ones, their neighbors.

We need not be pessimistic when we do not see fruit being born of this, at least

immediately, or even for a considerably long time, because

we know that God's elect will eventually emerge from

the same clay that all of humanity has been created

from, the sinner and the saint, the elect and the reprobate, all coming from the

same lump of clay.

But the elect will emerge from there and will embrace Christ eventually.

And we can know that for certain when we are laboring to spread the gospel, can we not?

Absolutely.

The great saint, one of the famous martyrs who was martyred alongside of Jim Elliot.

Yes, I know who he was, but I did not read the book yet.

Okay.

Yes.

Well, he was not a Calvinist.

It gives me confidence.

That's absolutely right.

It gives me great confidence going.

Amen.

Well, perhaps you could define missions that may seem like something ridiculous to

ask, because most people have an idea in their heads of what that means.

But I think that many people have a wrong idea of what that means.

They may think that exclusively means sending out

Christians from a church to a foreign land.

They may even make that even more restrictive in their understanding or definition

to a primitive land, a jungle somewhere where no one has ever heard of the

gospel or seen anyone outside of their geographic region.

Now, of course, missions certainly includes that.

But if you could give us a true and fuller definition of what missions means.

Certainly.

And that can certainly be a

man who's

gone

to the gospel and

people and organize and then that local church

and

as God

raises

up to another region

and

trying

to

establish

a

second

angelism plus mentoring men for ministry and establishing local

churches.

Amen.

Now, the Mormons, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints,

a very well -known cult, has a false god.

In fact, they have an infinite number of gods.

They claim that they are not polygamists.

I'm sorry, polytheists.

They are not polygamists any longer other than the cult of the fundamentalist Latter -day Saints.

But they claim to be not polytheists because they worship one God, but

they are, in fact, polytheists anyway because they believe in an infinite number of gods.

But anyway, having said that, I think that they do have a right understanding

of the fact that even the United States would be in its majority people who are

outside of God.

And of course, we would include the Mormons in that group.

But they send out missionaries all over the United States because they have that

conviction.

Would you share that conviction that we should be setting up missionaries even here

in our own nation?

Chief Grace, a friend of mine, a pastor.

Yeah, I know Steve very well.

Yes, many, many times.

If you take a systematic theology book, look at the leading headings of

every one of those

evangelical churches.

And so there's a great problem in our own

nation coming from where it

sends out

missionaries.

Our theology, our methodology, theology and theology of this thing

traverse land and

sea to make one

proselyte.

And once it's proselytized, you make him twice as much a son of heaven.

Amen.

Well, we have to go to our first station break.

If you would like to ask a question of our guest today, Jerry Slate, on our Sovereign God's

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Saint was not reformed theologically.

Isn't it true that he was on his mission trip with Jim Elliott that was reformed?

I don't believe Jim Elliott was reformed.

Oh, really?

I guess his wife became reformed later in her life.

Yeah, I'm not even aware that she was reformed either.

I can't speak to that completely, but certainly...

For some reason, I always thought the late Elizabeth Elliott was reformed.

Well, we know she is now, and we know that Jim and Nate are

now.

Yes, and certainly faithful brothers and a faithful sister.

Amen.

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Sharpens Iron Radio.

As far as your own personal experience on the mission field, what

cultures and nations have you endeavored to bring the gospel to?

I've had the privilege of going to Jamaica.

What have been, if you could go through the places where you have most

frequently endeavored to bring the gospel, what were the unique

challenges of each of those mission fields?

The biggest challenge, of course, is

learning how to preach.

And so the interpreter last said she has a diamond ring on her.

Ha!

As far as a level of hostility towards the gospel, is there any place that you can

single out as being the most difficult mission field in that way of having very negative

feedback, hostility, perhaps even threats of endangering your life,

or what have you?

Well, in my own life, I have not experienced.

You're going to have a very

different

one.

Could you repeat what you said for some reason.

You cut out for a minute?

The very first time.

I'm sorry.

Sure.

Yeah.

When I went to Indonesia, actually in 95,

should not be pastors.

And I got quite a good

feeling of hostility.

Yeah.

And that kind of issue can bring up a lot of hostility.

I've noticed over the years.

Yes.

And we have another listener who has a question for you.

We have Mike in Monroe, New York.

I have to enlarge his email because the font is microscopic.

Mike says, I would like to hear what your guest has to say about men like Leighton Flowers

or Roger Olson, who both go out of their way to disprove the doctrines of election and predestination.

How can we accept such sovereign deniers, to borrow a phrase from the ungodly?

As true believers, when it is clear, they do not just misunderstand sovereign grace,

but detest it altogether.

How would you see these liars and false teachers?

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Godspeed, my brothers.

Yes, that is a question that I have been hearing, I have heard asked,

not about those particular men, but as long as I have been a Christian, I became reformed

within months of coming to Christ.

In fact, I had an instinctive negative reaction

against the doctrines of reformed theology when I was first saved.

I could not believe they could possibly be true.

Hated them.

And then someone gave me a booklet published by Chapel Library, George

Whitfield's letter to John Wesley on election.

And I did not know who either of those men were.

Did not know who John Calvin was, did not know who Charles Spurgeon was, did not know who any of the great heroes of the faith are.

So it was not men that led me to the doctrines of grace, but the Bible, the

scriptural evidence that George Whitfield presented to John Wesley on this subject,

just overwhelmed me.

And the Lord used it to bring me to understand.

And although I initially said to myself, wow, these things are true, but I hate it.

Within months, I came to say, these things are true, and hallelujah, I love it.

But the question of whether or not we have

those who are not only non -Calvinists, but who are anti -Calvinists,

who are, are they, are any of them truly regenerate?

Are they our brothers in Christ?

I happen to believe that many, of course, not all, but many are our misinformed,

misguided brethren in Christ.

What do you have to say about that?

Yes, I can say that I'm familiar with

hearing the

psalms.

So many people, when they hear it, it's almost like they do not

receive.

Going back to the scripture, J .R.

Packer says in his book, Evangelism and the Psalms,

with the doctrines of grace, yet in their heart of hearts, they will know in their

heart nothing that they did.

Because God himself knows that in terms of their,

when you see men who know what the scripture, and yet

there's,

and

that's

their

grandson.

At the end of it, he says you can't

demonstrate.

In other words, what you've just said is really hard, but at the end of the day, you're the Lord,

and there's a mark of true saving faith.

So I think if you see an over, just overarching hostility that does raise some question marks

about what's really going on.

Yeah, when I have read the interaction between

George Whitfield and John Wesley, who were opponents on these

issues of Reformed theology, uh, George Whitfield

is noticeably a lot more charitable and gracious and patient with John Wesley, who

could be quite caustic.

But even though George Whitfield knew that John Wesley was,

dare I say, even mean -spirited at times, he viewed John Wesley as his brother in Christ,

requested that John Wesley preach at his funeral when that day came, when he died.

And when he was asked if he would see John Wesley in heaven, he said no, because he

would be so close to God's throne that he would not be able to

view him something of those, something like that.

I don't have the exact quote in front of me.

But so we have to be very careful about those that we deem to be

reprobate or unsaved because they disagree with us even passionately on these

issues.

And at the same time, we have to be careful about being far too ecumenical.

As much as I love the late J .I. Packer and as much as I have benefited

from his books, it is actually quite a mystery to me how he could know the gospel

so thoroughly well and be so biblically literate and

doctrinally astute, how he could embrace Roman Catholics as his brethren.

And of course, what I mean by that is Roman Catholics faithful to the dogma

on the gospel, which is a false gospel.

Yes.

The gospel of the Council of Trent.

But anyway.

It's pretty positive that, you know, that's just meant we're all

fallen infallible and we all think it wasn't the

best idea.

Well, we have to go to our midway break, folks.

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First of all, one of my greatest living heroes of the faith, my favorite

preacher of all time, Dr. Conrad M. Bayway.

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this powerfully gifted servant of God.

Just out of curiosity, Pastor Slate, are you familiar with our dear brother, Dr. Conrad M. Bayway?

I am familiar with him, and I've emailed with him a few times.

I've never had the chance to meet him.

And you just got a little gurbled there.

Did you say you never had a chance to meet him?

I've never had a chance to meet him.

Okay.

Well, for those of you who are in the same position as Jerry, has never got a chance to meet Conrad,

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And I just got exciting news, minutes before going on the air today.

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We have a very faithful listener and a very faithful financial supporter of this show in Asheboro,

North Carolina.

Grady, who says, greeting brothers.

Growing up as a Southern Baptist, we had the Lottie Moon and Bertha Smith

missions offerings.

I don't know a lot about their ministries, but I do know that some Southern Baptists have used them

as examples of why women should be able to pastor.

I heard Elizabeth Elliott say she always found a man that could lead the services even if she had

to tell him what to say.

As a Reformed Baptist, our church has chosen to have indigenous men trained as the elders to lead their

congregations.

Do you ever see where a woman would have a pastor, have to, have to pastor

a church?

I mean, I guess he's saying did you ever see where it was necessary for a woman to pastor a church?

Personally, I believe the Holy Scriptures make it clear that is unbiblical.

Right,

and I

would

agree with

that

argument

to say, well, there's no such thing for a woman to labor in personally.

Well, thank you, Grady.

Now, what would be the parameters of

work, mission work, that you believe a woman is permitted to do?

Would she be able to translate the pastors or the missionary sermons?

Would you, you know, what are the parameters?

Certainly.

I'm sorry, you broke up again, didn't you?

She would certainly have the right to teach other women

of

what a

woman

can be

unique authority.

And so when it comes to actual teaching,

it would be exclusively in the realm of teaching other women and children, I'm assuming.

That's correct.

Well, thanks again, Grady, and keep listening to Orange Shelf and Zion Radio and keep spreading the word about this

program in Asheboro, North Carolina and beyond.

I hope to see you at the G3 conference coming up in the fall.

As far as your heroes of the mission field, can you name some of them

and explain to our listeners why they are your heroes?

Wow, how long is your program?

We've got about a half hour.

Riding I have done,

they should not send him because they felt he was too valuable and

did not go.

First pioneer missionary, certainly I have to mention is John Payton.

Now, can you please explain to us?

In fact, this was actually a major part of our brother, Dr. Conrad

M. Bayway's sermon last night at Grace Reform Baptist Church of Camp Hill,

where he was a visiting preacher and I had the privilege to be there.

But a part, the main focus of his message last night

was basically giving God the glory in missions.

If you could please explain to our listeners, especially in a way that might be helpful to our non

-reformed listeners, because we do have considerable number of non -reformed listeners, even

non -Christian listeners.

We even have Muslims that listen and others outside of Christianity.

But if you could explain what our emphasis, what our goal

should be as Christians in the work of missions.

And I think that there have been errors on both the non -reformed

Arminian side that tend to be far too man -centered.

And I also believe on the other end of the spectrum that would be in the realm of faith.

Hyper -Calvinism, there have been some serious errors as well regarding

that whole subject.

But if you could explain the main goal and emphasis of missions.

Yes, well, you've already hit upon it.

That is the glory of God.

Saying that

mission

of the gospel

praised and glorified in every place and made

unitary

motivation

the primary motivation by

nature.

True worshipers,

we want to be seen

as actually identified.

At the risk of getting myself in some serious trouble with my fellow reformed brethren.

Do you think sometimes in our earnest

desire and efforts to keep

God on center stage and being the primary focus

of his praise, honor, and glory, even in the death of Christ,

the obedience of the Son to the Father,.

Etc.

Do you think sometimes we could do disservice to what God intended

by his death on Calvary and our efforts

in evangelism when we really remove any importance

or minimize radically to an unbiblical point the importance

of those for whom Christ died?

You and I believe that he only died as a substitute for his elect.

If he died as a substitute for everyone in the world, as many Armenians believe,

they should actually be universalists because that would mean everybody would be saved.

In fact, there are even, perhaps they're a minority, but there are even some Armenians

who are scholars and theologians and seminary professors who recognize that.

I have heard even a Nazarene professor, I've read what he said actually, where he was

basically scolding or correcting his students for using the term

substitutionary atonement.

He said,.

We believe Christ died for every single human that ever lived and ever will live, so he could not be

a substitute since everyone would indeed be saved.

But going back to my original point, can we at some times in our desperate

attempt to not be guilty of Armenian heresies and errors undermine

the beauty and the glorious gift?

I mean, the scriptures tell us that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.

I don't mean that to Arminianize, if that's a word, the atonement, but at the same

time, it is a very important element of his death, is it not?

Yeah, certainly.

If I understand your question,

literally uses the word,

the point,

and there's enough of Christ proclaimed by the Armenian world that people can find faith in Christ, but

nonetheless, Paul

literally told my brethren,

my fellow countrymen, the Israelites, to be grafted in as it were.

That I could wish it upon myself.

That's how much we want to owe

as a man who owed a debt.

A lot of us spread

that gospel to others.

Yes, and we do have actually a listener who's asking a question on that very subject.

CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York.

He says, there seems to be disagreement even amongst the reform as to

how to answer the question, did Christ die for all men?

There are some Calvinists who say Christ only died as a redeemer for the

elect, but there are benefits to the entire universe in regard to

his death, even for the reprobate.

Where would you fall with these two opposite understandings, it seems, even among Calvinists

about the death of Christ?

Well, I know that

he made a choice

that is sufficient for the non -elect and I find

myself being a little bit guarded about that.

Anyone

and

everyone

who comes

to...

Yes, well, I'm assuming it answered CJ's question.

And, you know, that actually goes along the same lines as the love of

God.

Now, by the way, that first way, the explanation that you

offered, which was not your own, that was actually a quote, was it not, by Andrew

Fuller?

That Christ was...

Christ's death was sufficient to save all men.

Right.

But his intention was to save the elect.

Something to those words.

Something that, yeah,.

In the gospel, worthy of all acceptation.

But the love of God.

Now, when I have had disagreements with my Arminian and other non

-reformed friends and loved ones or acquaintances,.

Uh,.

The issue of the love of God will come up.

And they will frequently ask, do you believe that God loves everyone?

And I will say, well, God only loves the elect

as a father loves his own children and as a groom

loves his bride.

Yes.

There may be other levels of love that include benevolence

and common grace.

And I know my friends at the Protestant Reformed Church despise that term.

But, uh, but, uh,.

How do you, how do you describe this?

Is it, is it love that he has for the non -elect?

Or is it just patient benevolence and kindness that would not be under the category of love?

How do you explain that?

Yes, you know, of course, in God,

there

is

church.

I love those children, but I don't love those children.

Other children are strangers.

And so even so, there's a love God.

Now we have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who asks, having said what you

have said, is it ever appropriate on the mission field, whether it be in a foreign land

or in your own neighborhood in the United States to tell strangers that

Jesus loves them and died for them?

Yes, if

anything,.

Should give an unrepentant rebel against God

a salved conscience and a, um,

legitimacy in his mind to remain the way he is, is to be reminded over and over again

Jesus loves you and he paid the price for your sin.

I mean, well, that's great to know.

Thanks.

So even any occasion where I might wonder if Jesus is truly who he

claims to be is true or not, I

could still rest assured that he's covered my sin for me.

So I guess I could just stay the way I am and enjoy my sin, right?

I mean, that would seem to be the logical response, especially

when you also hear combined with that the illogical oxymoronic

statements made with good intentions, of course, by even

such well -known evangelists as Franklin Graham and his father before him, that not

only does Jesus love you and he died for you, but his love is a never -ending love.

It's an eternal love.

Nothing can make him fall out of love with you.

Now, obviously, a hardcore five -point Arminian or a Roman

Catholic or a member of a cult might actually believe that

God could fall out of love with people, but most evangelicals, whether they're Reformed or not, even hardcore

Arminians would never say that, but it doesn't fall in line to their belief system, does it?

In the gospel, what we say is there's a promise that if you will come to Christ repenting of your sin,

own righteousness,

that's why I'm saved.

We have Joseph in south -central Pennsylvania who asks, when on a mission field,

especially one in a foreign country, how much respect should a

Christian give towards the traditions and rituals of those in

false religions?

When do we have to draw the line and tell those who we are evangelizing in the mission

field, that's where you cross the line and you must repent of that, never to partake or participate in

that activity or belief ever again?

That's the perennial question in cross -cultural mission

to figure

out people

who had the name Krishna in their names,

their names to the scriptures and they saw that there

were,

but then, interestingly enough,

with a common cup

and you have a local high -caste convert drink and that

has impact upon him

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And yet, Terry and his,

baptized him and admit them to the church, they had to bring

a high -caste man, baptized him on a Sunday morning

and

drank the cup and this high -caste man got out of his seat,

walked across, grabbed the cup from the low -caste man and put it to his lips, I'm renouncing

caste, you're my brother in Christ.

And we are going to our final break right now.

It's going to be a lot more brief than the other breaks.

If you have a question for Jerry Slate, send it in immediately because we're rapidly running out of time.

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We serve God by equipping dads and moms to be the ambassador parents God called and created them to be.

We produce free parenting resources, train church leaders and offer biblical counseling so that the next generation of

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Lindbrook Baptist Church on 225 Earl Avenue in Lindbrook, Long Island is teaching God's timeless truths in

the 21st century.

Our church is far more.

Than a Sunday worship service.

It's a place of learning where the scriptures are studied and the preaching of the gospel is clear and relevant.

It's like a gym where one can exercise their faith through community involvement.

It's like a hospital for wounded souls where one can find compassionate people and healing.

We're a diverse family of all ages.

Enthusiastically serving our Lord Jesus Christ.

In fellowship, play and together.

Hi, I'm Pastor Bob Walderman and I invite you to come and join us here at Lindbrook Baptist Church and see all that a church can

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Call Lindbrook Baptist at 516 -599 -9402.

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Welcome back.

If you have a question for our guest today, Jerry Slate, please send it in immediately because

we're almost out of time.

ChrisArnson at gmail .com.

Pastor Jerry, if you could provide for us at least two minutes of summary for our topic

today uninterrupted, a summary of what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners

today.

Well,

it's done in

the name

rather

than

underserved

and

trained.

You can shepherd the soul,

encourage each other

today,

but no.

Now, how would that not be in contradiction to your work with Reformed Baptist Mission

Service in the past and other organizations that might be viewed as parachurch organizations involved in

missions?

Yes.

One thing that I used to love to say about RBMS,

RBMS

never

have

time.

For one quick question.

We have an anonymous listener who says, I'm a member of a church who

sends out missionaries, but they seem to quickly yank them off the field when they don't see

numeric growth as quickly as the mission board would hope.

Should we not be more patient with these missionaries?

Absolutely.

The first several years, language, and

before they can really begin

preaching effectively to that culture.

Well, we are out of time and I want to repeat the website for Berean Baptist Church

in Hiram, Georgia, where our guest is the pastor,

bereanchurchps .org, bereanchurchps .org.

Thank you so much, Pastor Jerry, for being such an extraordinary guest today.

I look forward to having you back soon and often on Iron Trip and Zion Radio.

I want to thank all of our listeners and I want you to all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus

Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.