The Rise of Artificial Intelligence

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If anything kills over 10 million people in the next few decades, it's most likely to be a highly infectious virus rather than a war.

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To unleash the full power of the federal government in this effort today, I am officially declaring a national emergency.

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COVID cases are exploding, doubling every few days. Doctors and nurses don't know what's hit them.

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How is it? Hell. Biblical. A quarter of the world's population is now living under some form of lockdown due to coronavirus.

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More than 3 billion people in almost 70 countries and territories have been asked to stay at home.

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Spain registered a jump of over 730 deaths from coronavirus on Wednesday, pushing its death toll above that of China for the first time.

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With over 3 ,400 fatalities, Spain now has the second highest number of deaths globally after Italy.

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News headlines, things have changed dramatically for all of us the last three to three and a half weeks.

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How long has this has been going on? So we kind of figure we just have an episode where we would just sort of talk about a conversation about the current state of affairs and we might tie into it definitely.

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You might be asking, OK, how does this relate to the state, the world of the cults or cultish movements?

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And we're going to get into that. But we are here with someone today.

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We are here with Matt DeJesus. How are you, my friend? I'm doing well. Awesome. So real quickly, just tell us just a little bit.

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We post on our social media a little bio about you. Tell us just a little bit about yourself. All right.

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Well, I'm a filmmaker by trade. I've been involved in the business for about 30 years or so.

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And I do all sorts of productions, mostly commercial and marketing videos, but I've also done independent feature films and other dramatic pieces.

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And I've been doing that forever, like I said. And then also I instruct over at Glendale Community College in cinematography.

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And I was a teacher at ASU also for many years. And I'm also a street evangelist.

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So you combine all those together, you get some pretty cool videos. That's awesome, man. Awesome. I love it.

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Yeah. In fact, if you guys follow us, you know that we're a production of Apology Studios. If you go to, if you look up Apology Studios, Redeemed Rebels, that is a project that you worked and you filmed that with red cameras of all things.

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And that's just the quality in which you put that together were just extraordinary, tremendous. Thank you.

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So we are talking about the current state of affairs, where things are at with this pandemic,

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COVID -19, known as the coronavirus, or as some people call it the China virus, which is apparently people making a big deal about that.

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But, you know, the one thing that I was just curious about, so a couple of weeks ago, you just came across that you had a real interest in artificial

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AI and artificial intelligence. And in fact, there's limits as far as what you can and can't say.

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So I'm going to give you the freedom to kind of like communicate that. But let's just say it's a documentary that's been produced that has a lot of people that if we name names, a lot of you would know.

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And it's more likely going to be streamed on one of the biggest platforms in the world that if we name names, a lot of you would know as well, too.

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Well, I can drop a few names. Okay. Oh, yeah. No one in the production, of course, but of course, people that they did interview for this was

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Woody Allen, David Letterman, Richard Dawkins, Tony Blair, Tom Brokaw, the

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Dalai Lama, Richard Clark, Monica Crowley, Jack Dorsey, Carl Sagan's wife,

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Norman Lear, Henry Kissinger, who's in his nineties. He was interviewed in the same studio

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I was interviewed. And the list goes on. Jerry Seinfeld. There's a whole bunch. Yo -Yo Ma. All these. Norman Lear.

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All to talk about AI. All to talk about AI. That's huge. But also not, not so much

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AI, but how they saw life, how they perceived their world and their future.

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And if there was life after death, I mean, there were some very poignant questions put to these people and they were giving their opinion, their experience.

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And generally speaking, it was all very dismal and very self -focused.

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Nothing that went out into a larger, uh, like someone, a higher purpose or someone that's greater than themselves.

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A little bit of dabbing in that, but for the most part, like for example, uh, they played me a clip of Woody Allen saying, stating about how he thought life was, is it worth it?

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Is it, is it worth living? You know, what's going to happen to you, uh, in your future and all this.

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And he had such a dismal outlook. And then the director turned to me and said, well, what do you say to that?

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And I say, I feel sorry for this man. I feel I, I, my heart breaks for him because he has no hope.

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He has no future. Right. It's just a, you know, a dirt nap is what he's going to experience, you know, in his mind.

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Right. He doesn't, he doesn't know the Lord at all. And so I was, what was nice about this situation is that they had interviewed some other people who claimed to be

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Christians who had certain testimonies, but it was again, all what, what Jesus has done for me and very personal, you know, very personal, not, not thinking of the, the world or, or, or saving others, but what their experience was like, it was just a good, uh, way of living for them, you know, morally, ethically, whatever.

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I come down there and I'm, I'm speaking from the authority of the word of God and saying, this is how it is.

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You know, this is no, you were all lost. You know, we're all in the same boat. We all need a savior. And they had never heard that before in, in a way that it was being explained to them.

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And some of these people, they're very liberal in their mindset was in New York where it was being interviewed. They were, their minds were blown.

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In fact, one producer, uh, text my buddy who got me involved in the project and said,

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Matt is blowing our minds right now because they never, they never saw it from that point of view.

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And I think there's so many people in that camp that only hear one perspective and one perspective only that is just totally foreign to a biblical worldview and they can't think that anything else is right or that people actually speak like that.

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That was another thing that she mentioned before I actually showed up for the interview was she was saying to people like that really exist that have this point of view, this perspective that God is sovereign and in charge of everything and, and he goes, yeah, and you're going to meet him on Tuesday.

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Yeah. So, and I guess they thought I was going to have horns out of my head or, you know, something, you know, or whatever, but I engaged with them and it was just a wonderful experience.

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Yeah. Well, I think that in the same way, AI, artificial intelligence, and this current pandemic have two things in two things in common with someone who's an unbeliever who looks at this, it's something they don't understand, it's something they really can't control.

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Uh, for many of us, I mean, even there are people, it wasn't Microsoft, they were working on a specific

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AI and started making some decisions, started, they had to shut the, shut it down. Um, so there's that. So you can even make the argument that people who are at the core creating it, you could ultimately, they may not have full control over it.

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That's why people like Elon Musk and, and Sam Harris, they fear AI because they have a worldview where we are just, we're the current dominant species and we can easily, easily be replaced.

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Once you're out innovated, once it's actually creating ideas faster than humans can, then yes, we're, we get lower on the chain, right?

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Essentially is what they would believe. And we've, we would be, could be enslaved by that. Yeah. And I think that's why the, even like this current discussion, even, even with this pandemic and people, it's just very interesting to see how even now people want re we have it.

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We're in society where we want question. We want it. We want, we want everything. Now you want

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Amazon prime, we can order something here. We want to go and look up the news. We just pull out our phone. We have it. We want answers about immediately.

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Yeah. Instant gratification. But the reality is, is that with this pandemic, there's so many integral parts of it and it's just really hard.

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And I don't think anyone, at the end of the day, no one really knows where this is headed. And that's where people, you know, they have fear over it.

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And I think it's also brought to prominence. You're talking about Woody Allen and how he decides like, we're just, we're just gonna take a dirt nap.

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You don't have a true answer for death and for hope. And I think the same thing goes for here where now all of a sudden people are seeing empty store shelves.

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They're looking at things that are our level of normalcy that are now gone. And where is this headed?

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People don't know. And that's what they find. That's what do you think about that? The commonality between there that, uh, we're, we're seeing a stark difference between our lives beforehand and now it's a great wake up call, you know?

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But again, I think what happens is that people are, we've been seeing so many shows with the, you know, the walking dead and the, you know, zombie apocalypse and all this other stuff that our imaginations have been taken over by this.

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And we, we think this is how it's supposed to be, you know, this is what's going to happen by the world ending. So they over exaggerate, you know, and that's why we get the runs on supplies and you know, things that never were purchased in bulk before are now being hoarded, you know?

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So I think it's just one of those things that we've, we've developed a culture through our medium of TV and film of this hyper paranoid state that, you know, this is how the world will end, you know?

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Right. We've been programmed to react a certain way. So when it occurs, we go out and just do that. Knee jerk reaction.

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Knee jerk reaction. And just, you know, we have to protect ourselves somehow. And that's why run on guns.

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My son who sells for a gun distributor in the Northwest, he said they sold over $6 million a day of guns to his different, uh, you know, the

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Walmarts and the, you know, other places, gun stores that they sell to. $6 million a day.

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Yeah. So that's job security right there. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Well, it's always interesting to see too, uh, where supply and demand when it comes to, uh, a crisis, like what becomes valuable, um, there's a large, uh, warehouse where I, uh, work at outside of, um, uh, when

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I do cultish and let's just say these big screen TV section, uh, is virtually a ghost town right now.

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And where that was tons of purchases and sales were there during Christmas time.

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But now all of a sudden that place is a ghost town, but all those pallets of 20 pound bags of beans of rice or whatever you, or whatever the top and also toilet paper, those things that were collecting dust during that season, you can't find them.

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So things always get evolved and always change around. It's always interesting to see how that plays when you're talking about guns.

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Um, I remember it was 2016. I, right after Trump got elected, I went into the store and, um, this gun store and I was talking to him about, and he was just talking about how busy it was.

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And he said, it's weird when Obama was in office and he, and there'd be a, a school shooting and there'd be a panic that he's going to grab the guns.

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There are, we just, our gun sales were through the roof. Now we have this pro NRA pro gun president and it's like, we can't like, no one's coming in.

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It's always buying that. Another comment my son made was when Obama was in office, he was one of the best sales people for gun sales because of that fear, that paranoia again, it's the whole thing.

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The one thing that does scare me about that is that you have a lot of people that are untrained on using a weapon.

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And, uh, you know, they're just, I got to get something and they get a really quick training, but they have no experience with the, with the instrument and they, you know, they're going to wind up hurting themselves or someone else.

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And yeah, you know, so, and just being scared of other people. They might think someone's coming to try to take something from them, from their house and they might just, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah. So jumping back to, cause you've been involved with filmmaking and you tell us a little about the pro they just, um, this production company, the people who made this film, they reached, they reached out to you.

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It was mostly just because you were a filmmaker or did you have, did you have a fascination with the role of AI? Cause I mean, there's obviously a lot of films out there that deal with the role of AI, but a lot of times from a negative point of view, you look at obviously

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Skynet, Terminator, um, you know, I robot, like a lot of those films that have a big thing.

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Yeah. Tell us about that. Yeah. That's a good question. Um, you know, who am I to being sitting in the same seat as all these other people, you know, but only by the grace of God that he allowed me to go there and do that.

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But, uh, what happened was, uh, they had already been shooting for about two years and cutting this thing together.

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It's going to be a series is what it is, but they were seeing that they were lacking something.

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It was all pretty much on one perspective. And, and they said, we need something contrary to this.

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We need something to take people think on the other side. Cause that's what this guy likes to do with his documentaries is give both points of view, different angles so that you can judge for yourself, which

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I really appreciate. But it was heavily on the very liberal mindset, you know, and, and anti -God by mindset.

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In fact, there were some, uh, scientists that are atheists that were being in viewed and just put an incredibly low value on life.

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When it talk, talking about AI, how we could be replaced and, you know, and actually one, uh, scientist said, well, you know, we just have to eliminate those people that are not worthy of being around to have no worth to us.

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And I was furious at that point. And he wanted me to respond to that. And so I said, what's your, how do you value worth?

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You know, what standard exactly. And that's what I put to them. But the thing is they needed a certain perspective that was different.

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And so my, my friend who knows me showed them some video of me street preaching and that's what did it.

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The guy said, I want to talk to this man. So they did a phone interview with me and then a Skype interview and then they flew me out there.

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And, uh, I was able to give that presentation again from the authority of the word of God, not from my own opinion.

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He kept on wanting to get my opinion about things. It's not funny how they always do that. And I said, you know, five bucks in my opinion, we'll get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

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Okay. It's just not, it's not that worth that much. But what is worth everything is the authority of the word of God.

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And so that's when we brought it down to, I love that. Cause it wrote the word of God rocks world sharper than any two edged sword.

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So when you're bringing the word of God into it, they're like, wow, we've never heard this before. This is amazing. Well, yeah, your creator, right?

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Right. He's the one who said it. And it existed way before you and will exist way after you many, many, many years.

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So the thing is it was just a different perspective. They had not heard before and they were thrilled with it.

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I couldn't believe it. I was just saying, wow, thank you. This is, he said, the producer said, this is what we needed.

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So we'll see when it comes out, how much of me is in the film and or how much is on the cutting room floor.

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Yeah, right. Hey, I mean, at least you got to be there and at the end of the day and say you got to speak with the people directly involved.

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Right. You know, it reminds me of, uh, Pastor Jeff, when he was at, at Calvary addiction recovery center, which you did the redeem rebels, uh, video for them is that back when he was the chaplain, he was in,

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Jeff was interviewed by the history channel by Dean Norris who played ancient agent Hanks trader from breaking bad.

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And he got this opportunity. Jeff was just in there for a little bit, but he got to talk for a long time with him about Christ and the gospel and things like that, which is always cool to have those opportunities.

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That was the big thing for me because I know how this business goes. I know how much is kept, how much is left behind.

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And so my prayer, my main prayer going into the place was for the people around me that heard what

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I had, where we're going to hear what I was going to say. Yeah. Um, the producers, the camera operators that, you know, everyone, that was my main prayer because they're going to hear everything and the editors are going to hear everything.

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Right. The audience may not, but that's, that's okay. As long as I'm just, you know, it's just like when

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I go out and preach, you know, I'm not, I can be in front of 10 ,000 people or 10 people. It doesn't matter. I'm preaching to individuals.

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I love it. You know, and just, this is, and they each need to hear it. You don't know. Sometimes just going to talking about evangelism and on Tulsa, I know it's always funny.

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Sometimes we get these reviews of people, we, people get upset that somehow we didn't give away that we're a Christian based podcast and it's like, well, so here's an example.

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This, this will look like we're, maybe we'll insert more discussions like this and people kind of get the, can take a hint.

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Right. So, but really quickly, it's just funny because you talk about, uh, if being evangelistic, a lot of times you'll be on the street, like in a conversation with someone and I, you probably agree this time.

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Sometimes it isn't really about the direct person that you're talking to. Right. It's like you're doing a no look. You're doing a no look behind the back past this guy over there.

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Yep. Absolutely. We're like, I'm not actually God is, but it's just funny how that works though. I have photo evidence of that.

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In fact, uh, it was, uh, we do first Fridays and there's thousands of 20 ,000 people show up to that thing.

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And so my buddy took a photo of me, but in one of the buildings, apartment buildings behind me, there was a guy in his balcony for like 45 minutes listening to what was being said.

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He heard every word. So that, that's exactly what it is. You know, it's not protect perhaps that one person.

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That's why we like hecklers too, because they draw a crowd. Right. And so people already have an opinion formulated, you know, for the most part, but they want to, they want to hear a contrary view.

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They want to hear, you know, how's he going to answer me on this? And some major cultural issues, they want a response.

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They want to see a scuffle. And, and they, they have a presupposition of course, you know, going into it. And then when

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I come out or I come with a precept or a state or worldview that's contrary to that presupposition of who they think

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I am, if they freak out, you know, I mean, this guy's not full of hate, you know, he's not telling me to go to hell and all this.

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Yeah. It's really amazing. That's, that's huge. The, the pandemic I'm thinking like, that's like the heckler right now.

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Right. So it's drawing this huge crowd and the gospel is the answer, right? Right. Amen. Wow. That's cool, man.

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Yep. Yep. So here's another question I have, I'm just trying to think contrasts and similarities between AI and there's many different similarities right now.

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There's, there's a whole point of economics in relation to AI and where it's headed and, and even in how

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COVID -19 is affecting that too, but just real quickly talking about worldview. I mean,

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I assume you said the Dalai Lama is featured in this. So that's, that's fascinating.

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But I guess where I'm going with this is that you see that just with the role of AI, one of our very first premiere episodes we did, if you guys listened to it, it, if you scroll all the way back, we,

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I think it was called decoding the church of AI, and it was about this guy, Anthony Levandowski, who was a programmer for both

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Waymo and for Uber self -driving car system. And he had developed, and some of it may real had to do, it might've just been a church, no, no,

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I'm sorry, tax loophole for him or something like that. I forget the exact details. We did over a year ago, but there are some very interesting outside of that.

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There are a lot of interesting religious implications of people really look at this seriously.

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What, what do you think it is about, um, AI that, that like the world, how does worldview play into that?

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Why would they have someone like you, but obviously they knew that you're a Christian and then they look at someone like the

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Dalai Lama, what do you think AI in the world, what do you think that has to do with all this? Well, I mean, it's the future of humanity, you know, some of, some of these scientists were trying to replace humans, human beings in the sense of you would wind up, uh, being able to digitize and quantize your conscience into a chip that would be in this

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Android basically, and you would live forever. So that was one of the big ethical questions they were asking me about, you know, that you can, you can have eternity and that maybe this is what we mean by eternity, you know, and I shot that down pretty quickly because that does not consider the human soul and this is something they just lack that concept, that idea that there is something unique to each one of us that's divine.

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That's not something that comes from just the mechanics and the flesh and blood that we have. And so that concept, uh, goes beyond AI and it will never be replaced.

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And we never be duplicated. The human soul, the spirit, it's unique to each individual. I was able to talk about, you know, life beginning at conception that that human soul starts at that moment.

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And that's why we cherish human life from conception on to death. Wow. Right. You know, and you, you, you even see this now too, going back to the similarities with a

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COVID -19 right where you see where people will interpret what's going on through their worldview there.

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If someone is into radical conspiracy theorism, where everything's the Illuminati, the

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Knights Templar, and you just sort of interpret that data to where every single thing has always been controlled by his hidden forces in the

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Rockefellers and things like that, you're going to be attracted, not say someone might have ill motives, but you want to have definitive evidence for, for that.

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There's a possibility they're going to spin a narrative based off of the presuppositions of the world.

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So, and also, but you, but you see that even people, for example, have a view of and, and times of dispensationalism, the antichrist and the one world, new world order, and all of a sudden there's going to be a chip where you can buy a seller trade and they're going to interpret everything that's going on here with the economy, the economy being shut down, like in that light.

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Um, and then also you talk about like human dignity. So now it's, the question is where people saying, well, old people, elderly people are more susceptible to this virus.

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So are they, are they expelled? There's even people who've had those discussions. Are they expendable at the expense of everyone else?

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I mean, someone who has an evolutionary worldview, they might be more likely to take that because at the end of the day, it's about survival of the species, not that, where as a

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Christian and we embrace, embrace that worldview, we're going to deal with this crisis. How do we love our neighbor?

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How do we lay our lives down for other people? I think you're hitting on something so strong. It's that how you can see how strong a worldview is in the, in how they handle mortality.

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It's like, so right now mortality is knocking on the door. What's your answer? So everyone's always trying to escape.

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The one thing that's inescapable to all men, because the Bible says the appointed for all men to die once. And then comes the judgment, right?

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That's what God says. Artificial intelligence, trying to quantize your consciousness into a robot.

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It's trying to escape death. You can't, you can't do it. And we're, we're seeing now how worldviews handle it.

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Just like in Italy, there's not enough. Uh, beds for these elderly people. So a lot of them, they're just picking and choosing who gets the liver, who doesn't well, socialized healthcare.

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That's what happens. This shows you the worth. I mean, you will have to pay for it. So if the elderly are dying, that's less things to pay for in the long run.

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And I don't, I don't believe that that's not my worldview, but to someone who holds a evolutionary worldview or secular humanist worldview, it doesn't matter, doesn't even matter in the first place.

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Exactly. Yeah. I, I always try to point out to people in, uh, in the street, you know, the, the, what do they value, try to understand what they really put a value on.

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And then, uh, how show them how they devalue that in others, you know, and that's to get them to look in the mirror, you know, that if it's, if you don't want that to happen, you know, like Jesus said, you know, if you don't want to be lied to, why do you lie?

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You know, if you don't want to be something stolen from you, why do you steal? He said to the Pharisees, it's that same type of thing.

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It's, it's kind of having them to see the empathy in it, that if it, if you don't want it for yourself, why are you doing it to others?

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Right. And, and that, those type of concepts, those kind of ideas are new to somebody that's going around life, just living it their own way, living it for themselves.

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And so it's trying to help them see that. And that helps with understanding, okay, let's say you're 90 years old and you have the virus, would you want to die at that point?

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Would you want someone to abandon you? You know? And so, you know, and it's not a total death sentence.

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I just saw an article with a 90 year old woman that recovered from the virus. So we can't just say absolutely everyone's going to pass who's, you know, we're getting rid of old people.

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It's not that at all. Yeah. So, well, yeah, I mean, if that's, and that's the thing too, where it's hard to have,

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I mean, people want definitive certainty, but there's so there's just layers upon, even like right now we have people all with all that in the clickbait news era, people want to get clicks to go,

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I mean, to go to websites. So a lot of these websites can get ad spend, like that's the reality. But even like what

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I've understood with Italy is that one of the reasons for their higher deaths is the fact that the way that Italy is set up, they all just live together, like in very, very close, close quarters with these high rise buildings.

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And they're very demonstrative also. Yeah. They're always hugging and kissing each other twice. They kiss each other when they see each other.

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So, you know, that's, that's part of it. Yeah. I remember the godfather. So yeah. Yeah. It's like, that's their lives, you know, holding each other's faces and, you know, that's the culture.

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And also there's a smoking is a huge part of their culture too. So obviously there'd be people with a lot of debility already with a lung issues with their lungs and therefore they're more susceptible to that.

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So, but then, and again, a place like New York, that's very high and condensed millions and millions of people is going to be very different from a place like Montana, like out in the rural, like everywhere.

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And it's not to say it's not serious in both cases, but it's just all the information, what's going on.

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It just, it's hard to, it's hard to decipher and people just want to have real certainty about where this is.

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But at the end of the day, it's sort of take, even where it's sort of taking our ability to be

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God, you know, and, and, and taking away like all of really comfort in our idols of all the things that we, that we really like depend on.

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I like how it it's level leveled the playing field. You know, we're all susceptible to this.

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Yep. You know, it may affect us differently, of course, but we're all susceptible. And so we can't look at each other and say,

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Oh, that group, you know, or whatever is going to not be affected somehow or some way.

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Cause even if you're a young person and you get it and maybe you don't have a bad immune system and you're able to fight it, your mother may not be able to, or your grandparents may not, that you're living in the same house.

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Well, so that's the problem. And that's us trying to take our focus off ourselves and what's just, you know, protecting my own, you know, self -interest and thinking of someone else.

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So it's, we're trying as a nation actually to try to get people to think of others than themselves, which is a great concept.

28:06

Of course. We know. Yeah. Wow. No, that's, yeah. Yeah. I think in a way, in an interesting way too, this is almost sort of the, just exposing people's, you know, selfishness, the ability to self hoard and self protect themselves and live in like fear and paranoia of others, you know, where it's like, you look in history, like in the history of like Christians who have dealt with pandemics, they were the first to go ahead and go into those areas, knowing that they had certainty about where they were in Christ and that they're going to be in heaven.

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And I need to be in the focus where, where, where, where these lost souls are, who need to hear the gospel.

28:46

And so you have that. Um, so yeah, you definitely see that. And what was the one thing to your top when we're talking about people who have a secular worldview or a non -Christian worldview, when they look at this, what's going on with COVID -19 and the role of AI.

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And it was just interesting because we're, you're talking about that, how you view consciousness. Cause AI, AI in a sense is in the same way we would say we're made in the image of God, AI is sort of the image of fallen man is the image of ourselves.

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And so if you don't have a definitive point of reference as to what we are, how do you make sense of what this evolving entity is?

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And remember you talked about this and did you write the blog about it yet? Or is that yet to be posted?

29:30

It's, it's sitting there waiting. I think this might be a good time. We might post this this week, but you're talking about it's Elon Musk. Yeah.

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And tell them a little bit about that. That's, that's a good, very fascinating aspect. Yeah. So Elon Musk, I think it was about six or seven months ago.

29:43

Could have been. Yeah. Within, within it was in 2019, he was announcing something called neural link. Is this what you're referring to?

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Yes. Yes. So neural link in this article I was writing is a godless mediator. So to him and his worldview, which we talked about earlier, there's a, an idea that this artificial intelligence will reach this point to where it can be more innovative than the human being.

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And once it's more innovative and actually creates and creates things on its own, we could be replaceable in a sense.

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So what Elon Musk's idea is, is that what we need to do in order to combat this from happening, we need to actually have a symbiotic relationship with AI.

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We need to bridge the gap between this cloud based knowledge that can create and innovate on itself and put that inside of us.

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So neural link is actually his idea for, for that. And it's actually going through processes right now.

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First, it's starting off for, you know, analyzing health and things like that. And people, but essentially it's like something that gets placed in your, your brain and what it does is actually what, what they want it to do.

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I'm not going to get into the deep technological parts, but I'll just get to like the, the meat and potatoes of what they want to happen with it.

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They want it to basically be to where our brain can function in a way to where we can have a relationship with artificial intelligence and basically have that symbiotic relationship with it.

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So we actually don't get overcome by it. So the, the idea though, in the sense is that what

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I was saying earlier is that we all have something that we are fighting to overcome in our lives that we suppress constantly.

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It's the idea that we're all going to die and that we are all sinners in the hands of an angry God. Like that's something that no matter what you believe it's there, because even if you claim to believe something else, you're still fighting death, right?

31:33

So we still have the person who believes in evolution or this or that still going to go buy toilet paper and hoarding food, even though their worldview says that they're, they have a meaningless purposeless existence, right?

31:43

So truly that they're, they're still made in the image of God. Life is something valuable to them. They just have a misplaced worship, which then external, which then their faith is externalized in horrible implications on how they treat other people around them because they're bad gods, right?

31:58

You know? So essentially with the AI, it's, it's something that people want to put their hope in other than Jesus to overcome something in life.

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That's that they, they're not ever going to be able to overcome, right? And they, they're not ever going to be omniscient. They're not going to be omnipotent and they're not going to be omnipresent and they want artificial intelligence to be all those three things.

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They want it to compute masses amounts of data so it can predict the future words of Anton Levandowski.

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So in the form of pandemics, they want it to be where they can actually gather all of this data from where, uh, let's say in Wuhan, China, they say, this is where it started.

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We can sing, sing, like get a singularity point to where it started, where all the flights are. Grab all of the data, put it all together.

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We can see it's going to go over here. It's going to go over there. It's going to go over here in this amount of time and actually like, you know, calculate what's going to happen beforehand.

32:50

But God knows the future and he also knows the past and why it happened. AI won't do that.

32:55

It'll give you a good probability, but it's never going to be perfect. Right. It's not sovereign. Right. So, yeah, that's good.

33:03

Do you have another thought about that? Well, yeah, I, like you were saying that, you know, communicable attributes that God has given us, it wonderful.

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Of course, you know, we can think, we can reason, we have logic, but we cannot see that past that veil.

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You know, he's a light into my path, you know, uh, into my feet. So he's just showing us enough of our future, just enough before us so we can move forward, but we can't see all the way down the line.

33:30

Yeah. And that, thank God for that. How would we act with each other if we knew that? Wow. I love that dude.

33:36

Yeah. Yeah. And that, and at least that's, that's the perspective I had. Cause I've gotten to a point just where,

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I mean, you look online, if you go, anyone right now trying to figure out all the answers just by scrolling, like take, if you're going to try and scroll through 15 minutes of Facebook or 30 minutes trying to find out every single person's opinion and trying to formulate, okay, how do

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I deal with this? How do I solve how I saw the world's problem and all these, you know, now all of a sudden you've got through these

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Facebook experts on disease on communicable disease, you know, it's like, well, how can you really formulate that?

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I mean, you obviously want to be precautionary just like you would with anything else. Um, but at the end of the day, like, what, like, what are you doing?

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Are you trying to almost in an anxious set, try and predict you, you almost sort of trying to predict the future in a way and hoping that everything's going to be okay.

34:28

Are you going to trust, are you going to trust God about it? Right. Exactly. And so, and even now, like you look at employment, it was at three point in Arizona, it was, it was like 3 .3

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million, like a unemployment requests or something like that. I forget the, no, I'm just, I'm trying to even kind of, it's just the numbers are just astronomical.

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Yeah, it was really large. Maybe that's the national one. I'm getting it mixed up. Yeah. But I think what's, what's important in this situation is that since people don't have faith in God during the situation, they're, they're not achieving the correct outcome in their thought process when they're being faced with their mortality.

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You know what I mean? Like that's, that's what it comes down to is that this, this pandemic is showing you something and instead of repenting for your sins and turning to Christ, you're putting your hope somewhere else because what, what's the bigger picture that the virus is showing you?

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It's showing that, that you're scared of death, right? There's a reason why you're scared of death, because you're going to stand in front of the lawgiver one day, you know?

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So it's showing you the bigger picture. What matters more is the spiritual issue. And also what comes to that is

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God's, you know, God loving people coming to repentance and his judgment on nations, right?

35:43

It says the land will spit you out when you murder your own children, when you practice things like homosexuality and look where we're at, repent and turn to Christ and be healed.

35:54

Amen. We're being spat out as we speak, right? There's so many people that want not to be under any kind of authority whatsoever.

36:01

They resist that even though they are under authority and they don't realize it, you know, but the thing is the second they let that divine foot in the door, they now have to bend the knee to someone who is their superior, who supersedes all these concepts and ideas and worldviews that they've had before in the past.

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And they, they're not willing to give that up. It's the pride of man, you know, we see it all the time and that's what they resist against.

36:28

You know, they've suppressed the truth and unrighteousness and he's, you see it living out right now. Yeah. Anything but God.

36:35

Right. Yeah. And almost when you look at AI trying to predict the future or trying to figure out where this virus came from and where it's going and what are the reasons why this happened is that when you totally strip away, we strip away everything that's spiritual and it's just strictly the strain taking on what just bags of protoplasm that some are, some are fighting off the strain.

36:59

Other ones are just not in a purposeless universe of blind and pitiless indifference to paraphrase

37:05

Richard Dawkins. But, you know, but when you look at the reality, for example, one of the most occupied places,

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New York, there's a couple of different things you realize to where you look at, there's a saying that says like people don't want a

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God who is sovereign, omniscient, who tells everyone, this is what my law is.

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You must obey this and you must obey. This is my covenant. You must obey this or else face the consequences. And they, they reject that.

37:32

And all of a sudden they get shocked when they get a state that is. So you look at places like New York and California right now, they have the strictest implications of lockdowns.

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All the businesses are closed. You're almost not allowed to go outside. In fact, this is similar to New York, but it says, this is just,

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I have dredge report up, you know, of all the, all the horrible, the world falling, obviously, but it says, um,

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Chicago mayor is saying that those who go outside to exercise, they may risk arrest. So now all of a sudden you get right.

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You don't want God, like you get the state, you get, you get the, you get the state that it gets to take all the roles of omniscience omnipresence, uh, where you can go, where you can't go.

38:11

All of a sudden you have the state implicating that. And you see that not only in places that are the most secularized, but also if you just think about it, just from a sense of judgment, just in the sense of God giving people over.

38:24

And I know that God has sovereignty and purpose in it, but you look at just a couple months, it was less than a year ago where New York passed some of the past, some of the strictest, no, some of the most radical pro abortion, uh, laws in the country.

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And the whole council was giving a standing ovation. And what was the one building in New York? It might've been the empire state building.

38:46

They lit up pink to celebrate that, to celebrate death. Now they have this, it just,

38:53

I can't help, but think that this is. You, you can't got you having judgment being like God giving you over to is not something that any sort of AI can, can get pretty good to predict a programming.

39:08

Right. Yeah. And there's, yeah, there's no way there. I mean, all these things that we cannot, uh, like I said before, quantize the human soul, the human heart, the conscience making decisions, um, you know, just kind of going the

39:23

AI route. One of the things they talk about is also autonomous cars. Okay. But in that, if they're driving, if they're in control, they have to have some sort of ethical or moral programming in there because they have to decide whether in a moment of impact, whether to take the driver's life or take the, the, the van's life that may have kids in it.

39:47

Right. You know, at that split second, who's, what decision are they going to make? So someone is going to have to program that and that's getting back to AI as well, is that whatever comes out of this, it's going to be programmed by a human being and we'll have the human bias on it.

40:02

It'll never be unbiased. Never. It's impossible. Yeah. And so who do you want to serve? Right. You know, how much trust do you want to give to something or someone else?

40:11

Some of these atheist scientists that I heard, I would never, I wouldn't trust them with, you know, my pet rock, you know, it's just, it's crazy.

40:19

They are just so oblivious to the value of life, of human life. It's just, it's, it's just another, you know, one and a zero to them.

40:28

Right. So, well, that even reminds me too. It was the AI episode where, where the Sophia, Sophia, the creepiest looking robot, she's out there with, yeah, but it was from Hanson Robotics.

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And what was interesting though, is that when he was doing sort of this Q and A of some technology summit, they're asking

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Sophia some question about the role of ethics. And if I recall,

40:53

I'm probably paraphrasing it, but she referred to Hanson Robotics as the, my creator said this, and then, but then, but then she gave the sort of implication of, and I, again, if I would have to go back to point reference it, but it was a worldview where he was saying a universal consciousness or something to that extent.

41:12

So it's going to make decisions off of that. And that's another question too. If you look at, let's just say you program like AI to be a lifeguard, right, in the ocean.

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So all of a sudden there's a, there's a baby and a dog that are both drowning or toddler or whatever you want to call it.

41:29

Which one, what would it choose? How would, what sort of program would you give it? It's that iRobot situation.

41:35

When Will Smith was in that car and it was sinking, the robot grabbed him because he had the higher chance of living from the situation versus the little girl.

41:44

He had to live with that, which made him not trust robots. He's like, didn't make the right decision. Yeah, it's the same thing.

41:50

Well, I know that, uh, as things go on and we, you know, we as humans like to, you know, uh, put human characteristics to things that are not, you know, not, not real, not human.

42:04

So, you know, we want to go ahead and put that character. So it's, people will start giving it more personality and more clout just because they want to, you know, uh, give it that sense that it's, it's like me, you know, it can become like me.

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And so it's just too much, um, of that is going on.

42:27

We do that daily. We, you know, give a value to things that shouldn't have the same equal value as human life.

42:35

Right, right. And we, we see it. And, and so then human life gets diminished at that point.

42:41

And so we need to get our priorities straight here. Yes. Wow. Definitely.

42:47

Well, um, I'm, I'm really, I want to get just a little bit more into this. I know there's probably a lot more of that documentary of, of that you were in and the different answers that people gave and how you respond to that.

42:58

And maybe we can focus more on that in the second episode. We're just kind of really bringing these two things, very interesting times together.

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And there's a whole lot more that we can unpack. So Matt, thanks for hanging around with us for this first part of this discussion.

43:10

Very, very intriguing, very fascinating. So, um, uh, like I said, appreciate you all who have listened.

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