Is It Child Abuse to Give Your Kids Psychotropic Drugs?

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We're your hosts, Harrison Kerrig and Pastor Tim Mullett, and today we'll answer the age -old question, is it child abuse to give your kids psychotropic drugs?

Now, as we kick this episode off, Tim, what Bible verse do you have for us about psychotropic drugs?

Matthew 18, 6, But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

So, there you go. I'm going to be honest with you, Tim, that's a pretty scary verse, if you ask me, personally.

The Bible tells us constantly that we should fear the Lord, right?

And that's the beginning of wisdom. And over and over again, it's telling us to fear the

Lord. And that's certainly one of the verses that, at least for me, it strikes fear into my heart, especially as a parent, you know, thinking about how

I'm raising my own kids. It seems like God takes children very seriously in terms of how they're raised and if you're actually training them in the way that they should go so that they won't depart from it when they're old.

So, obviously, you know, I don't know that anyone on either side of the argument would necessarily say that God doesn't treat how we raise children seriously.

But then where the disagreement is, you know, on our side, we're saying, hey, you shouldn't use these kinds of drugs.

And then on the other side, they're saying, yes, you should. You know, because they've got OCD and they've got

ADD and ADHD and PTSD and, you know, whatever else they've got. They've got all of it. So, how is it that, you know, giving kids these drugs, how, in your mind, is it relating to that verse from Matthew, the

Gospel of Matthew? I mean, obviously, you don't get to a point as a society that we've gotten to where you have these, you know, progressive leftist, you know, crazy women, you know, with their chopped off hair and their, you know, hair dyed strange colors kind of things who are raising their children to be members of the opposite gender.

So, you don't get there from nowhere, right? So, I mean, we can all look at that. The thing is, I mean, conservative people,

I mean, any number of… Here's the thing. You know, I don't know that I've heard any big -name theologian really talk about this subject at all, hardly.

So, they go after, like, the… They'll go after the leftist parents who are doing this kind of thing where they're raising their, you know, boy kid as a girl kid, and they'll say, hey, that's child abuse and all that.

But it's like, that's easy to identify. I mean, that was an easy thing to identify, and it really is horrible. I mean, like, when you think about the long -term consequences of that kind of thing, like, you're teaching…

You're training them in a lie their whole life. You're ruining their chance of ever having a normal, productive life.

You're taking away their ability to have a heritage, right? So, because you're chemically castrating them.

That's all monstrous, and that's all awful, and that's all horrible, but you might want to ask the question, how did we get here?

How did we get to the point where that makes sense? And the issue is, we've been trusting… We've been blindly trusting the medical community for years with everything they're saying.

And those are, yeah, I mean, those are some pretty extreme consequences of making some pretty anti -biblical choices, you know, related to the gender stuff.

But when you're looking at the consequences of psychological drugs, I mean, there's comparable physical consequences of these kind of things, too.

So, there's a lot. I can read you a list of all of the side effects of the

ADHD medication, the stimulants, the antidepressant medication. I mean, there's been plenty of school shooters that have been produced through these psychotropic drugs.

I mean, there's been plenty of kids' lives who've functionally been ruined by these psychotropic drugs. So, I mean, you turn these little kids into a drug addict because you put a label on them that is, you know, basically just taking their sin and describing it in the language of illness.

So, you do that, and certainly, I mean, there's weight loss, there's decreased appetite, there's irritability, moodiness, there's headaches, stomachaches, potential for slowed growth.

There's fatigue, exhaustion, weight gain. There's suicidal thoughts, thoughts of self -harm.

There's been plenty of kids who have been put on these drugs who have killed themselves. And then there's also, like, you put these kids on these drugs and they don't know how to have emotions, right?

So, you put them on, like, a tranquilizer for their whole life. They don't know how to experience real emotions. They don't know how to relate with people anymore.

It ruins the relationships that they're going to have in the future. So, all those things are true, and the side effects of these kind of things are pretty remarkable at times.

And we don't think about all those kind of things, but then there's something that's even more insidious about all of it, particularly as it relates to these psychotropic drugs and these labels that we put on kids.

And it's the kind of thing that's mentioned in the verse that we talk about. So, whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better that a millstone is hung around their neck and them cast in the sea.

So, I mean, think about the kind of dialogue that is happening with the good theologians who are talking about the gender issue, right?

Like, with the good ones. I'm talking about the good ones. Like, the ones that you would encourage people to listen to.

Think about the things that they emphasize on a regular basis related to the gender topic. And what is it?

It's all the stuff I just mentioned, right? Right. Ruining their reproduction chances, right? But what they don't often mention is you're causing them to sin, okay?

What they're not emphasizing is you're making them twice a child of hell as yourself. That's not the kind of thing that they're saying.

And that's not the language that they're actually using, right? So, they're using it in a very man -centered way.

It's like, hey, you're harming them, right? But then you're doing something far worse than that. The Bible says, don't fear him who is able to destroy the body.

Fear him who is able to destroy both body and soul and hell. Meaning, you're creating an individual.

You are leading them to a path that ultimately involves, yes, it involves a ruin in this life.

But then more significantly, it involves a ruin in the next life, right? So, when you're thinking about this, you put this label on this kid, right?

You put this label on them that's going to define them for their whole life. Yes, you're creating a drug addict out of them, and there's all these significant side effects that happen with just their ability to relate to the world, based on the fact that you're pumping them full of chemicals, and we've been doing that for years.

You're doing that, but then what you're also doing is you're training them in a pattern of irresponsibility.

You're training them in a pattern of, we're going to take your sin, we're going to label it away, we're going to give you a free pass to do that, then we're going to train you to be the kind of person who refuses to take responsibility for anything you do in your life.

And anything you do bad, we're going to blame on a label. Here's the problem. The Bible says, Those who are well have no need of a physician but those who are sick.

I didn't come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. What you're doing is you're depriving this human being the ability to face the fact that they are a moral creature created in the image of God who is violating

God's standards. And at every single point, instead of you calling it what it is, you're sinning against the

Lord who made you. What you're doing is you're coming along and you're saying, it's not your fault and I'm going to drug you.

I'm either going to put you on this stimulant, I'm going to put you on this tranquilizer, I'm going to put you on this anti -psychotic kind of medication that's going to make you psychotic.

So the issue is, whatever the thing is, we're going to give you a drug to try to manage this spiritual problem that you have.

And all that's doing is that's keeping you from repentance. And so you're the person who's coming along and basically giving them a free pass to violate what

God says. And you're training them. You're training them intentionally.

Whether or not you realize what you're doing, you are training them in a habit, a pattern of unrepentant sin.

And that's ultimately going to lead to, yes, destruction in this life. That's just obvious and overwhelming destruction in this life.

But then what's even scarier, as you said, is destruction in the life to come.

Right, yeah. And that's what I think is so upsetting about this stuff is you're getting the worst of both worlds, essentially, where obviously the eternal consequence for refusing to address your sin, seek repentance for your sin, is obviously eternal death and hell.

But then you're essentially taking someone who has a clear issue that needs to be addressed and telling them, this is just who you are forever.

And there is no way out. And all you're doing is lying to them. I mean, you're telling them the way out is, hey, take this drug, but then the reality is you have to take that drug your whole life, basically.

And it doesn't even fix the problem. And it doesn't work. And it introduces a bunch of other problems that are equally destructive that you never would have had to face if you just looked at your sin and you just called it what it was.

But instead, you're telling this person, hey, there is actually no hope. This is what you have.

And there's no way out of it whatsoever. When the fact is, I mean, the Bible's clear. God will deliver

His people from sin if they repent of their sin, if they humble themselves before Him. And He will give you the

Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit will dwell within you and will sanctify you from one degree of glory to another.

But instead, you're telling this small child, this is who you are. So, because this is who you are, we're going to tranquilize you for the rest of your life.

Sometimes people, for whatever reason, they just assume that we have no experience with any of this stuff whatsoever.

I've seen these kids. And they're not normal. When they're on these kinds of drugs, they are not normal.

You can't even have a conversation with them at different times. No, you can't. You can't. It's not because of their mental problem.

What it is is because they're on a tranquilizer. Yeah, no, they're totally different. I mean, you know, sometimes, like, hey, we're people, we don't do things perfectly.

There will be times where I've interacted with some kids who I know are normally on these types of drugs.

And for whatever reason, they didn't take it that day. They forgot, they were running late, whatever.

And they're totally different. They're entirely different than when they are actually on these drugs.

I mean, yeah, they're more manageable when they're on the drugs, but that's because they're not themselves.

They're being suppressed. Yeah, I mean, you think about it related to the tranquilizers or whatever. So you have a child that you've trained to be anxious because you're a terrible parent in general.

So you've trained them to be anxious. You've trained them in worry from a very young age. They're probably like daycare kids who have been daycare kids their whole life because you haven't been there and you haven't been around.

And even if you are there and you are around, you're so distracted that you don't even pay attention to them and everything else.

And so you've trained them. You've taken your own sin. So most of what's happening is you have these ladies who are filled with worry and anxiety or whatever else.

And then they put these labels on their kids. They train their kids into that. And then they're basically just living out their own psychological disorders by means of their kids.

So I mean, this is happening a lot of times. But in the first instance, you train this kid in worry. You produce an environment that creates worry for them because of the way that you've structured it and engineered it.

Then you train them in it. Then you define them by it permanently. You say this is who you are. You're anxious.

And then you put them on these drugs that are going to tranquilize them. So then you're treating them like a bear, like this rampaging bear or something like that.

You're putting them on a tranquilizer. And now they're a zombie and they can't think and they have all these problems that come from these kind of medications, like the drowsiness because they're being sedated, the fatigue, the nausea, the irritability, the mood changes, the suicidal thoughts, all this kind of stuff.

That's coming from these drugs. And then what's happening is the moment they try to get off these drugs, they're going to feel crazy.

And the reason why they're going to feel crazy is because you've been pumping them full of all these hormones for so long that now when they come off of them, they're coming on a downer.

And then that's just going to reinforce in everyone's mind, oh, these things are actually working. No, this is a stupid tranquilizer.

Now they're dependent on a tranquilizer that you put them on. And so the issue is you train them in sin.

This pill isn't fixing it. This pill is just making them into a zombie. And they're still worried.

They're still worried. They're just worried. They don't have the brain capacity to think as quickly as what they would.

They're still worried. So they're still trapped in their sin. You've told them their sin's not their fault. You put them on a tranquilizer with all these bad side effects, including the physical ones, the relational ones.

They don't know how to relate with people anymore in a normal way. And now they're basically a customer to the drug companies for life.

And it's like, oh, big shock. You're training these little people that you're responsible to shepherd and care for.

You're training them in sin. And there are consequences in this life, and there's consequences in the next.

But how do you think it happened? I mean, we've just blindly trusted the medical community for so long, man, to now where all it takes is for someone to say, oh, is this a medical reason?

Well, I guess it's okay then, right? Well, if it's for medicine, right? And so that's where you're at right now.

And I mean, I really wish we really have to have, like if things are going to turn around, you have guys like Matt Walsh who are speaking out more against these things than any of your standard

Reformed Christian podcasts out there. Matt Walsh sees it more than they see it.

And so I mean I'm happy they can identify the transgender stuff, but I mean, man, they've been drugging their kids for years, and you're consent to it because you're too afraid to stand up and say to any of them, hey, this is wrong.

We shouldn't be doing this. Because you don't know enough about it to comment on it when it's just so ridiculous.

So why are so many parents, especially mothers, so adamant that these things are not sin?

Like OCD, ADD, ADHD, all that stuff. I mean, it is the moms that are pushing it way more than the dads at this point.

So I mean this is basically just like mama bear impulses that have gone on crack essentially, right?

So what you have is you have a bunch of passive husbands who have basically taken a step back and just let their worried, stressed out women who are unable to manage their own emotions, they've let their wives just basically drug several generations of kids at this point.

Because the ladies don't know how to handle their own problems, right? So no one knows how to handle their problems from the

Bible anymore. We basically just bought into the psychological worldview. And basically it is a bunch of moms who are drugging all their kids.

And the guys are just sitting there, standing there, and they don't want to say anything about it because they don't want their life to be made miserable in that way.

And so you have fathers who are not parenting their kids and teaching them how to overcome sin problems in their life.

And so you basically have this medical dependence where we just look to the doctors, the doctors tell us what to do, and all that's kind of happening.

It's all conspiring to create a situation where it's just a mess. And we basically drugged several generations of kids now.

And I think the good news is there's a lot of people who are coming out of that. So a lot of people in the younger generation are seeing this is crazy.

And I think there's a lot of good news that's coming from that end of things. But then on the other side, now they think everything is going to be solved through diet and exercise and going outside and stepping in grass and grounding and all that kind of stuff.

And it's like, yeah, you know what, a lot of it would be fixed, but these are still spiritual problems. So yeah, if you go outside a little bit, you don't stay in your house all day long and ignore everyone and become addicted to entertainment, then yeah, sure.

And if you weren't eating donuts all day long and getting fat, then certainly you're not going to have as much anxiety and depression, but these are still spiritual issues too.

So what makes them spiritual issues? Like OCD, for example, what makes that a spiritual issue?

Because I think there's probably a lot of people when you have this kind of conversation, that's going to be like a foreign concept to them, unfortunately, at this point.

So what makes that a spiritual issue? Yeah, well, we did an episode on this actually, on OCD in general.

A lot of these things you have to really just sit down on a step -by -step basis and go through the diagnostic criteria and ask just basic questions about what's happening.

So I did a poll recently about mental disorders, and someone was asking me what kind of mental...

I was basically saying, is it a sin to put your kids on psychotropic drugs or whatever? And some people were asking me, what kind of mental disorders are you referring to at that point?

And I just said basically all of them. So I pulled up a thing on ChatGPT at that point, and I said, can you give me a list of mental disorders that are not diagnosed?

I said this because I know what it's going to say or whatever. I said, can you give me a list of mental disorders that are not diagnosed on the basis of objective medical tests which demonstrate pathology, but are diagnosed on the basis of subjective questions about thoughts, behaviors, and mood?

And so I asked it like that to ChatGPT, and ChatGPT basically said, all of them, basically.

All of them. Mental disorders are not diagnosed on the basis of objective medical tests which demonstrate pathology, tissue damage, or malfunction, or whatever.

They're diagnosed on the basis of subjective questions about thoughts, behaviors, and mood.

But most people, they just don't understand that when you're talking about a mental disorder, you're not talking about organic illness.

You're talking about something that's diagnosed on the basis of a doctor asking you a few questions about how you feel. How you think and how you feel.

They're not diagnosed on the basis of objective medical tests. That's the whole reason why this category exists.

This whole category exists to give you a list of things we're going to call illness that are not diagnosed in the same way that organic illness is diagnosed.

So there's objective medical tests that a person can take in order to determine they have leukemia.

There's not objective medical tests that a person is going to take to determine whether or not they have something like OCD.

Here's how you diagnose OCD. Here's the diagnostic criteria for OCD.

The presence of obsessions, compulsions, or both. So what is an obsession?

An obsession is defined by reoccurring and persistent thoughts, urges, or images that are experienced as intrusive and unwanted that in most individuals cause marked anxiety or distress.

So an obsession is that, right? So the individual will attempt to ignore or suppress such thoughts, urges, or images or to neutralize them with some other thought or action.

I .e., by performing a compulsion. So what you have is you have an individual who has thoughts that he doesn't like, right?

Some sort of thing that he's obsessed with that he's going to neutralize with a compulsion. What are we talking about?

We're not talking about cancer right now. This is not cancer. I'm worried about something, and so I perform this repetitive behavior over and over and over again in order to neutralize my worry.

Come on, Christians, wake up. Just read your Bible. You have people who are filled with anxiety, right?

OCD is one of the big five anxiety disorders. They're filled with anxiety, so they perform this ritual over and over and over again in order to try to fix their anxiety.

This has nothing to do with medical diagnosis at all, right? There's nothing medical about this.

There's no objective medical tests that are being performed. You're asking them, hey, do you have intrusive, unwelcome thoughts?

Yes, I have intrusive, unwelcome thoughts. Do you have some mechanism that you use in order to get rid of them?

Like some behavior. Yeah, I wash my hands 100 times a day because I'm afraid of germs. It's like, oh, well, you have

OCD, right? Well, let's put you on a drug. Not just like a, hey, why don't we just work on getting you where you're not so anxious about germs?

The issue is the Bible has nothing to say to this kind of problem to that kind of person because you've just told them they have something that in their mind sounds like they have a medical problem.

But then if you take a step back and you just use basic critical thinking skills, my goodness. Think about what just happened.

They just asked you, are you worried? Yes, I'm worried all the time. What do you do to manage it? I do a bunch of weird stuff, right?

Say, oh, well, you have a mental disorder. Here's your drugs. And it's like, come on.

Money, please. Right, yeah. Then they get a customer for life. And then if you come along and say, hey, there's nothing objectively wrong with you, okay?

You don't have a brain problem. You have a thought behavior problem. You basically just worry.

You have a spiritual problem. You have a spiritual problem. And it's like, oh, you're a Pharisee and you're a hypocrite and everything else. It's just like, we need to wake up.

We've been deceived for so long by this stupid medical community who just has a vested interest in creating customers.

And they're giving us this poison that they've been giving us for years and years and years. And we just take it because it's like, hey, you've got to trust the doctor.

You don't want to be a science denier. And it's like, hey, look at what they did to us with COVID. Maybe we should wake up and see that maybe they don't have the best interest in heart.

And maybe they have absolutely no idea how to handle these problems. And maybe the Bible has a lot more to say about it than these kind of things.

And so, I mean, but people hear OCD, and it doesn't dawn on them that it's a bunch of nonsense, right?

And if you come along and say, hey, we're talking about sinful worry, be anxious for nothing. But with everything, with prayer on Thanksgiving, with supplication on Thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God.

Or Jesus' word, why do you worry about your life, what you'll eat, what you'll drink, and your body, what you'll wear, and your clothes, what you'll put on, and all that.

So these Bible verses have nothing to say to these individuals because they are absolutely convinced that their kid has

OCD, right? We had a lady commenting on one of our posts recently. It's like, all three of my kids have

OCD. It's like, yeah, I know. You trained them in that. That was a parenting problem on your part.

You trained them how to be OCD, right? So you trained them to, instead of confronting and teaching them how to actually handle their anxiety and teaching them how to handle their worry, you let them fall into these patterns of these compulsive patterns here in response to that.

And then now you think that somehow you just got the lion's share of mental disorder in your family.

It's like, you produced that. You're a parent. You produced that. Now, not only are you producing that, you're going to keep them in chains of that for the rest of their life because you don't love them enough and you don't love

God enough. You repent of your own anxiety and worry and show them how to do it too. Well, and what

I think is so crazy about this topic and the person you're talking about is kind of highlighting this is the fact that there is just no self -awareness at all from these people.

I mean, look, if you have three kids and they all have the same exact problem, at some point, you've got to ask yourself, what's the common denominator here?

What's the thing that they all have in common? I have 12 kids. They all have general anxiety disorder.

Hey, at some point, statistically speaking, you've got to realize that, hey, this doesn't seem right.

Maybe something is wrong somewhere. Okay, here's the first one that I would think of.

They all have the same parents. Related to that, you bring up these verses about anxiousness and worry and essentially not trusting in the

Lord with a lot of these things. What is so crazy is you'll bring these up in these kinds of conversations.

Hey, all three of my kids, they're worrying all the time, and they have these compulsive actions that they perform to try and get rid of that worry.

Okay, well, Philippians has some stuff. Paul had some stuff to say about that.

Jesus had some stuff to say about that. I mean, the psalmist, go read the Psalms. Come on.

They're worried all the time, and then they're showing you directly how they handled their worry, and it wasn't with medication.

Let's go read some of these verses. No, that's not talking about OCD. It's like, well, what is it talking about?

Jared But you notice how that's the same move that the progressive gay Christian movement people are making? Pete Yeah, yeah.

Jared I guess the same exact move. Pete No, Romans 1 isn't talking about consensual.

Jared Consensual adult loving homosexual relationships. It's the same thing. And so what you have is you have people like you have a book.

God's given us revelation. He's given us this revelation. And what you're being asked to believe is that this book was totally insufficient for the vast majority of human beings throughout all of history, right?

So for over 6 ,000 years, they had nothing that they needed in order to handle the basic issues of life until Freud came along and taught us about all these mental disorders and everything else.

And so the issue is it's like psychology, I mean, it really hasn't been around for that long. You're talking about something that's just very new phenomenon, this celibate gay movement, this kind of stuff.

I mean, yeah, the Bible has nothing to say about consensual loving homosexual relationships, whatever else.

It's the same move that's being run. And in order to buy that, you basically have to say that God gave a book to people for 6 ,000 years.

It was completely unable to handle all of these 500 categories of mental disorders.

Pete Yeah. Basically, almost all of our kids now, because they all have something, man.

I mean, you go to a psychologist, you're going to get multiple labels. You go to a psychologist, he's going to give you multiple labels for every single one of your kids.

And what you have to realize is, think about the worldview there. The Bible that you believe, that you read, that you trust, that you supposedly trust, which you don't read and you don't believe in anything else.

But the issue is, it's gotten everyone throughout all of history wrong.

Because now we all have mental disorders. And so it has nothing to say to us. And so it's just been like this irrelevant book this whole time.

And now we've come to realize how insufficient it is to actually just be a parent and be a kid, right?

Because we have all these problems. Our kids are loaded down with all these labels that are basically telling us, hey,

Bible, stay in your lane, right? That's what the labels are saying. Bible, stay in your lane. You don't know what you're talking about.

You didn't know what you're talking about. And you probably were abusive to the vast majority of kids throughout the history of the world.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, I think that's a good place for us to wrap up the conversation on.

Like we said, I mean, this is a big deal because of the verse that you read earlier,

Tim. God takes seriously the way that children are raised. And unfortunately, right now, there are a lot of children being raised.

Who live in households that don't even fear the Lord at all. But then on top of that, even in the

Christian families, you have parents who are coming along to their children and seeing their sin, seeing their sin issues.

And then ultimately deciding these are quote unquote mental disorders that can only be fixed through medication.

And so we're going to give you that medication. We're going to make you dependent on that medication for the rest of your life.

Teach you that there's no way to escape what is sin, but what they would call mental disorder.

There's no way to escape it. Don't even try to deal with it unless you're using the drugs, unless you're going to therapy and seeing a psychologist.

There is no hope, basically. This is just who you are. And that's incredibly unfortunate because the

Bible does actually address these things and addresses them very clearly. And not only addresses them,

I mean, like God could have just said, hey, here's how you deal with it. Go deal with it. He could have done that, but he didn't.

He goes further and he promises things to those who humble themselves and deal with these things.

And what he promises, at least as it relates to this specific topic, is he promises peace.

And you are denying children that when you refuse to admit and you refuse to teach them that their anxiety, that their worry, that their compulsions, all these things are sin that need to be dealt with.

And teach them that God can actually overcome these things for them. Through the power of the

Holy Spirit, through a desire to honor the Lord, putting your faith and trust in Him and seeking to kill, mortify your sin and your flesh, you can actually be delivered from these things.

But as long as we continue to trust secular scientists, secular people who hate

God, who know that God exists and hate Him and actively want to teach everyone that He is not real, that He does not exist, that hell is not real, that heaven is not real, that there is nothing after this life.

I mean, they have a vested interest in that. And they're not going to tell you that, but they do. The Bible tells us that very clearly.

And so for us to trust them is reprehensible, to say the least.

And Jesus was very clear what should happen to those people and to those people who are raising their children that way.

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