Black Lives Matter & the Gospel

Non-rockabodas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it. Are you gonna bark all day?

Delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly okay.

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Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their courage.

Going to all the world to make disciples not going to the world make buddies not to make brosives, right? Don't go in the world make homies right disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle Nick.

That's a joke pastor when we have the real message of truth. We cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

Colossians 3 and the New Self

Colossians chapter 3 Verse 9 do not lie to one another seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have been put on. The new self which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.

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Big things on the horizon for end abortion now can't get into all that today. But just know some big stuff is happening we are working continuously working for the abolition the criminalization of abortion and some big stuff is.

Is is is happening right now? We're gonna have an important show today. We actually have a special guest plan for today. Virgil Walker is going to join us. He was recently on Ali Stuckey's show and he had some good commentary wanted to bring him on to talk about that.

We're gonna talk about Black Lives Matter and the gospel and we realize that this is an important conversation to have today. We realize that it's a conversation that is impacting everybody right now.

We realize that there is a lot of misinformation Related to this discussion and we realize that this is an essential issue when it comes to the gospel. It is a gospel issue. If tell you what if you don't know what cultural Marxism is.

Intersectionality is critical race theory is the Frankfurt School. If you don't know what that is you need to get to know it because what you're seeing right now unfolding across the West is the result of a lot of Planning a lot of hard work and no you don't need to be conspiracy theorists to believe that you just need to open your eyes.

And do some reading a little bit of reading that will start back after we supposedly defeated communism. And the communists came here and said no we're gonna set up shop. It'll just takes about a generation to do it and what you're seeing right now is a result of the kind of class conflict and warfare that has been happening over the last century and longer and has killed a lot of people millions and millions and millions and Millions and millions and millions of people have been killed because of this ideology and guess what it got it got.

It got plugged in to the United States of America. And unfortunately even plugged into a lot of Christians.

And.

Man Are we so easily duped in evangelicalism in the West? Are we so easily duped and we're gonna talk about some of that today. So we're gonna do it. But before we do we're gonna have on one of our heroes of the faith.

He is a great man of God. He's responsible for so much of what you see coming from us through end abortion now. Don't forget to go to end abortion now. Calm by the way to get signed up with your church to join all the churches who are going on to save lives.

We've had a bunch of saves just in the last week and of course. We're all working together as the body of Christ to make this a gospel issue and to work for justice for the pre-born. To end Abortion criminalize it done away.

No incrementalism. We're done and so an abortion now. Calm, but we're gonna have rusty Thomas on with us. He's gonna tell us about something coming up. It's a conference and you need to plug in watch it because you'll be able to you don't have to fly all the way out to Texas to make it happen.

You guys can watch it and Let's welcome rusty Thomas rusty. Welcome to apology radio brother.

So good to be with you brothers. Love and miss you dearly. And we feel the same man.

Yeah, so tell us what is happening with the conference?

Well, brother if if you kept up with the whole process brother, obviously with this whole kovat 19 insanity we were kind of forced to postpone our original national event and people that you don't thought it was like because of the government or because of the virus and If you know us brother, we're not moved by those things you know, we're moved by the vision and mission and you know and getting our message out and.

But the issue was we wanted to help Oklahoma because that was the you know. The place that we chose for our national event this year and we were going to go in a little early to help them. Politically and so, you know the vision was yeah, we're going to go into the culture.

We're going to go into the death camps and we're going to preach the gospel of the kingdom. And then we're also going to be going in to expose the bad guys in the pro-life Movement that was stopping the cause of abolition and then work for all the abolitionist candidate the Christian abolitionist and Helped their campaign.

So that was the original goal and mission. Well Kovat 19 hit and boy it does, you know. We talked to the local leaders and they said if we do this now in the current climate, you know. It would be counterproductive or would actually hurt the cause so it kind of pained us brother.

So we canceled the event well. Eventually one of the brothers Daniel Navajos. He's with the Ecclesy of Oklahoma. He calls me up and he says rusty. I believe we can Recuperate and revive the national event and he began to give me some ideas Jeff and And the more he talked I saw the validity of what he was saying and I said, all right, let's do this.

And so obviously we're still dealing with the current climate of Kovat 19. So there's going to be some changes On how we move forward with the national event now the dates are July 19th through the 25th.

So instead of the normal way we do things where we have this sort of laser beam impact where you have Saints from all over the nation come in one location and Do an invasion of the gospel of the kingdom against the gates of hell.

This is going to be more like a scattered gun like a shotgun impact and what I mean by that Jeff is. We're going to do all the seminars and all the rallies on Line, so when it comes to the seminars in the afternoon from 2 to 3 30, we're going to have three specific Subjects for the seminars one is going to be youth training.

Raising up leaders a time like this demands. We're going to have a seminar where Magistrates Joseph silk and Matt Shea from Washington State. They're going to be training Magistrates in the cause of abolition.

So if any of our brothers and sisters know Magistrates are people who are considering running for public office. We need to get them to that seminar so they can get the training that they need When it comes to the cause of abolition and then one of the seminars is going to be conducted by pastors.

Reaching pastors and we have this incredible church resolution. I don't know if you guys saw it yet, but it came out of the Southern Baptist Convention in Oklahoma. And the pastors they are going to use this church resolution and to really encourage other pastors and churches and Denominations to adopt this as the most biblically consistent response to this holocaust.

So we'll have pastors reaching pastors and so if we know men of God pastors and elders. We got to get them signed up on that seminar so they can get the training that they need and they'll have access To this church resolution and then of course we'll have rally speakers and you're going to be a part of that Jeff and Luke and and others from apologia.

We're going to have strategic kingdom men. Giving a strategic message and and brothers. I talked with Luke and I please hear me on this Jeff Luke guys, you see America you see the condition that we're in.

You know what? I mean, you see what's happening and I want this to be the magnet Opus, you know of the men of God that all that God has deposited them all that that God has shown them and opened their eyes to see.

We want the message right now the message to go forth to America at these rallies that you guys are going to be a part of the only thing that's going to be a little bit Different is the street activities.

And so the way it's working out. We got several cities several states. We fact we got three nation now brothers that are signed up for this India South Africa and Australia and what they're what we're going to do as far as street activities is We when they sign up on the page For this event and it's a $25 registration fee.

That's how they access all the seminars. That's how they access the rallies and there on the page will be all the books booklets Literature we got a church packet. We got a magistrate packet and we got a handouts that people can download copy and Distribute in their local communities.

And so this would be a good time for like local groups. Whether you know, they're at with an abortion now or OSA or abolitionist societies they can take that week and Use it to recruit in their local communities.

So they'll have all the materials all the packets and they can use this to visit churches to visit their magistrate. And to recruit other good soldiers of Jesus Christ to get on board With the vision of mission of ending this Holocaust and restoring righteousness to the United States of America.

Praise God. Okay rusty. Where can people go to get more information? What's the website?

They can go to our website Operation save America org and they can go to the the event, you know. Button there and press on that and it'll have the information it will take them to the registration page.

They can get signed up and once they do we'll have their email and that will give them all the other instructions. You know to them where they'll get all the materials. And and where to go on zoom and Facebook when we do the seminars and the rally.

Awesome. Excellent, brother. Thank you so much for joining us today. Love you and appreciate you. Or make sure we let everyone know what's going on. We'll make sure we keep eyes on this and attention on this and try to fill this thing up brother.

Well guys listen. Hear me when I tell you I deeply deeply Appreciate you all. And and Jeff and Luke listen when you guys take on the burning issues of the day. You are giving a clear Clarion call to the body of Christ in this world, and I can't tell you how much I deeply appreciate you guys.

And the Lord's work through you. Man, you know, we feel exactly the same.

You brother. We love you, man. We'll talk very soon. Okay? All right, bless you guys. Thank you brother. Thank you so much for joining us today. Alright guys, so you now, you know exactly where to go.

Make sure you guys get there and get yourself signed up so if you guys are new to Rusty Thomas Operation Save America all that stuff. Just go watch the film I'm hesitant to even say it so that this this particular video doesn't even get doesn't get shadow banned or anything because YouTube does read the audio and will shut videos down or shadow ban them.

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You know, there's a there's stuff and then are. And then there's other things and then stuff and then there's out murdered and then other things and stuff and then here Go watch read between the lines and there's a still and then there's also one that's all the same stuff.

But it's they're still here. Believe me. Trust me. There's a background to all this in terms of like working the YouTube algorithm. You got to work now. You got to put in work, right Isaac? You gotta put it in the background you gotta you gotta you gotta you gotta be very very cautious with how you even Describe things or title things on YouTube now or what tags you use because you'll video your video will get shadow banned and blocked.

So yeah, here we go. We're gonna go right into this discussion as Isaac gets our guest on he's on he's on. Okay good. So before we actually pull him on I'm gonna talk for just a moment here I think it's important for us to address this issue and to do it from biblical Worldview do me a favor Isaac real fast show everybody my screen there this I saw yesterday and Let me just say I hurt my heart and I want to say that I am confused by it.

And if you can see what it says there, it's from Lecrae from his Twitter accounts it's for your soul a rally celebrating blackness and Big black fist, you know in history historically the fist symbol Not so good.

No, that's a good related to calm Not not not so good when related to communism and Marxism and it that not so good. I don't like the fist but anyway featuring show Baraka Lecrae just you know, Tadashi's in there, you know, it's a free event and Apparently it's happening today.

I guess it's happening today. Oh, you're right. It is today's 46 p .m. At Liberty Plaza Capitol. Okay for your soul a rally celebrating blackness. I wonder Maybe I should give this a test run here I wonder if you and I could you're a great artist you can put together like a little thing like this and Just we can have one that says for your soul a rally celebrating whiteness.

And we'll just change the color of the fist of white and we'll do it. Are we still on YouTube now? Maybe we'll do it. Yeah, maybe we'll do it for this weekend and we'll feature will feature people who have our particular Level of pigmentation.

Yeah, we're lack of. And I wonder I wonder how well that would be received now I would never ever Dream to do such a thing, but I wonder how that be received if right now we just recreated this graphic and This little advertisement and we just change the wording a little bit.

We just make it a different color, you know, we're Christians. He's a Christian and we have you know, we have a rally for your soul celebrating whiteness. Now I have a question. Why would that be unacceptable?

I think I know why I would think it'd be unacceptable and why I would never ever ever ever under any circumstance come from us. Because I have a biblical worldview and I'm standing on this revelation we're standing on this revelation and that's just let's just confess that's weird and But what creates a climate?

What's how do you get the zeitgeist the spirit of the age how do you get a culture to say. Now that's acceptable. I understand that I got it. Oh, oh, I'll be momentarily blinded to the unbiblical nature and unbiblical worldview that's being expressed through this rally in this graphic and I'll I'll disconnect from how offensive it would be if a white person did it.

How do we get to a place where people get so blinded even evangelicals get so blinded where they go? That sounds good. That sounds good. Yeah, that sounds good. Well, I want to say it takes a lot of work.

It takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of discipleship. It takes a lot of education and a lot of indoctrination to get a culture and in this case I'm talking to the problem the Christian culture that would find this at all acceptable.

Stuff has to sort of like get laid down to build up Luke's built houses. And so he knows like you don't just you know, I guess you don't just throw walls up on dirt. You probably have to like you to get stuff laid down good solid foundation solid foundation.

So you can sort of get that thing in there nice and tight and strong make sure the wind don't blow it down and all. The rest and you got to make sure you do a lot of planning get things level and sort of start to build your way up you have to build a structure for this thing to sort of like.

For you to be able to hang pictures in it and put furniture and all that kind of stuff. So we're here. I mean Luke knows last night. I sent this to the elders and I think I said yuck a lot. Yuck. Yuck.

Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Yuck, and I said the same thought was like I'm looking at this going. I wonder if I did that as a white Christian what kind of response I would get and if people say well no right now.

We're in a particular moment. We're like it's acceptable over here, but not over here. I would say ah. And there you go put your finger on it. Didn't you that this took training indoctrination? It took a new way to view the world and human beings.

So with that said we're gonna bring on our friend and special guest Virgil Walker. Virgil is gonna join us. He was again on alley stuck you recently. He may had some good commentary. I want to focus on the Word of God in the gospel.

So let's bring Virgil on to talk about a Virgil welcome to apology a radio for the first time brother. Yeah.

It's my joy to be with you guys. Thanks so much for for having it. It's an honor been been watching you guys for years been influenced by both you and and your ministry. What I've learned in apologetics learned in great great Detail from from you guys in the same way that you all learned from James White.

I picked it up from you. That may be a good thing or bad thing depends on how you look at it.

Oh, no, no, it's all good. Yeah, there's a lot of cross pollination going on between dr White and us and another said that's a huge encouragement to us. We're praising God that God used the ministry in that way in your life brother.

Well, I want to tell you that I've always kept my eye on you and seen some great stuff. Your your recent discussion with the guys. Were you in Moscow where you were and they were in Moscow, right? Where were they?

They they they were they were in Moscow. Oh, no, that was I mean, I was probably here the g3 pulled me there I mean via Skype or some other other form but but yeah got a chance to spend time with with those guys up there love love love cross politic and those guys and Both Darrell and I Darrell's my partner on just thinking.

We love those guys Knox and Gabe and all those guys Toby and the like so we love those guys, right?

So tell everyone real quick so we don't lose it. Where do you want to point people to after the show so they can get more from you?

Sure, you can check. You can check out our podcast. Just thinking the just thinking podcast myself. I'm the co-host Darrell Harrison lead host. He and I have been at this for about two years. You can check more of us out at just thinking dot me just thinking dot me or wherever you Download your podcast iTunes wherever you wherever you get your podcast from.

Excellent brother, so I want to get into a Hopefully very helpful gospel discussion and by way of getting us into this discussion talking about quote-unquote race. We should be saying tribes. And talking about all that we have Black Lives Matter all this stuff and the gospel.

I want to just tell you sort of like where this hit me last night Luke and I were talking yesterday about like how to Build this show for today and you know, who should we have on to make sure it's a meaningful show.

That's helpful to everybody who's listening and we all learn something together from this. I was at a restaurant last night and that Luke I got to tell you about this because I'm trying to find the name of it.

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Why is this not showing me here? Why does it say that? Oh, okay. So I was at a restaurant last night. It's a new one Tempe, I'm just gonna type it in here real fast because I want everyone to go because it's fantastic.

Sorry, I should have had this ready while he's looking. I'm gonna promote it actually while I look at that up.

I'm actually wearing my brand new Fight left feast t-shirt, which I don't think is available yet. Gabe sent Jeff and I. Special ones look at us promoting their show.

No, actually officially I'm gonna send it to you chalk right now. You you're wearing an apology a radio. You're all three wearing apology a radio and then I'll wear I'll wear that too when you guys put yours on.

Well, we'll cross. Knox is actually at the hospital right now. They just had a brand. God I don't even know her name. I just got pictures. All right, beautiful. Here we go voodoo. Daddy's.

Steam kitchen. Luke, it's at priest and Guadalupe I believe is the road priest and Guadalupe me newer voodoo. Daddy's steam kitchen. Absolutely undeniably Delicious nice. So so good. I mean everybody in my family was like that was absolutely delicious.

It was amazing style. Yes, it's like no, I don't know make sure I don't want to offend anybody. Do you have to say New Orleans? I I get you had New Orleans. Okay. So anyway, I was I was here last night my family having dinner on my family and oh my goodness.

It's so delicious. If you're in Phoenix or this area, you got to go to this restaurant. It's amazing. So anyway I'm in this restaurant and I went because we love that because you know, then did downtown Disney has that the jazz kitchen?

Yeah, it's it's it's the same Situation and we love that place. That's such good food there. We ate there with dentists. Didn't we I think so. Yeah, I think anyway, yeah. So we love that place, you know, they have the beignets and everything you always finish with them.

The doughnuts and everything. Anyway, so my family we're in there we're in there because we love this food and then I I'm in it the area we live in like Arizona is very diverse like You have like different pockets a lot of diverse like a lot of different tribes and hanging out in one spot.

But in this particular place, I I looked up and I realized and it just dawned on me. Oh. We're the only white family in here. Hmm, and I was like, that's awesome. Like I thought it was so cool I was like, it's cool cuz I I love this.

This is like obviously it's like it's like an amazing cultural thing like everyone's sort of like this place is delicious and like and then I get up to use the bathroom and There's this this table of these two beautiful black ladies and the girl looks at me.

She goes she goes Jeff Durbin and I was like, yes, and she goes you're a pastor Jeff, right? I said, yeah, she goes. Oh my goodness. My husband Brian, he watches you all the time. Well, and she goes he watches you and dr White constantly and learns from you guys.

She's like we moved from Chicago. We're at Arizona City now. We haven't been able to find a good church and so he's just Devouring like the sermons and the lectures from James and from us and she's like you understand like he doesn't just sometimes listen to you.

He listens to you constantly and I was like, oh cool I praise God God's using it and I said wait get him on like get him on your phone real fast like FaceTime him. So then I get on the phone with this guy like he's like, oh my gosh like, you know, it's I say hey come to the studio sometime hang out with us and Anyway, so I I go sit down back with my family.

And she gets up to leave and I was like, hey wait come meet my wife and my kids. And so she comes over and she comes over and she goes I don't want to shake your hand I want to give you a hug so she hugs my wife and she hugs my kids and we had this amazing conversation for like like 10 minutes about The gospel and like she wants to get plugged in.

I was like you should come to our women's group and she's like absolutely and so then she leaves now. Here's the here's what got me. It all of a sudden it hit me for a second because I wasn't like really thinking about it at all.

It hit me for a second that from the perspective of my family. When we were the only white family in this restaurant with only black people didn't bother us right didn't feel weird about it. Thought it was lovely.

Amazing and here I met these two Christian sisters and their husbands, you know, he's black. He's a brother in Christ and he's benefiting from our ministry. So tremendously and when she comes over she hugs my family hugs my kids and there wasn't.

What got me was this what binds us together here is Jesus. Yeah, exactly. It was Jesus. Yeah, like do I know that I was that I'm white and they're black. Yes. Do I care. No, no because I have a Christian worldview I have a biblical worldview and when she came over to hug my family who she's never met in her life.

She literally just walked over and she hugs my wife and my kids. What was that about? Like what what what what was it that in the background of all of us spiritually and in that moment was what Binds us together was that she's a believer in Jesus.

I'm a believer in Jesus. We're part of the family of God. There was no awkwardness, right there was no tension between us there's no fight. There's no war there's no like Yes, but you owe me something or you owe me something.

It was a beautiful moment. And then I of course ran to get across The Ally Stuckey thing and Virgil and I was like that that's what we need to get on here to Really get our voice in here to talk about the gospel and this issue of race.

And so Virgil, can you give me some preliminary thoughts right now as you're looking across the landscape? What is pinching you the hardest right now as you think about this issue?

Yeah, I mean first of all, I love the story that you told because it's indicative of the fact that we are all one in Christ. The unity that we should have is is is what the gospel provide. That's that that's Ephesians 2 right that the barriers have been broken Jew and Gentile have been brought together.

We are all one in the body of Christ. That's how that's absolutely how it should be. What you expressed is the absolute joy of celebration that we should have as believers in Christ. Regardless of the of the level of melanin in my skin or the lack of melanin in someone else's.

There should be an absolute joy when we encounter another brother Christ. I was overjoyed man when I when you when you reached out and said hey, let's let's talk about these things. One because everything that I'm hearing in in big even in evangelicalism.

It's something totally contrary to the joy that you just expressed in going out having dinner in a in a in a different cultural context and then meeting a fellow believer in Christ and and and understanding the unity that you have as a result of that.

That's right. Everything out the culture tells us there's something else that should have taken place. They wouldn't have been able to express that scenario without someone Bending the knee or bowing down to something in the in the historic past that was done by ancestors that neither you or I know for certain we you know, we were we were a Connected to in any way shape or form.

Let's just just initially man I a love the story be recognized. That's the beauty of the gospel that we hold dear.

Yeah, it's it's tough for me because I despise Hating another person because of the color of their skin. I think that it's ignorant. It's foolish. It's so antithetical to everything that's true about the world and God and us.

When you think about the biblical worldview and all of us coming from one Initial family, we're all brothers and sisters in humanity and what I find so abhorrent right now brother. It's not so much what I see from the unbelievers and the humanists and the neo Marxists and the cultural Marxists who have a plan.

This this is part of the worldview. It's what they do. They create class conflict to basically form revolution to recreate society. I get it from them. I understand it because I go. I know I know exactly what you're doing.

I I see it. I know I've read I know your words. I know your plans. I know exactly that. I get it from your worldview and perspective what you're trying to accomplish. But what is killing me is to see evangelicals those who profess to know Jesus adopt these Wicked principles and methodologies and try to bring them into the church and give them a Jesus shine, right?

I this is how we do it and and I love what dr. White said recently. He said I you know, you import this garbage, which is what it is. This doctrinal garbage you import it back into the first century of the church.

There is no Christian Church. Well, we would not exist today. Right, we wouldn't exist today. Right, I need you to tell everyone if you would brother because I thought you articulated it so well. Can you can you give the same kind of talk because I think it's the most helpful aspect That you had in that clip with Ali where you talk about Acts 17 all of us in the same family the issue of race.

From your perspective biblical perspective. Talk to us about that.

One Human Race and the Image of God

Yeah, well a couple of things a couple of things that I definitely wanted To touch on Jeff and Luke, thanks for thanks again for having me if I hadn't said that already. Oh, yeah, you guys absolutely.

One of you you mentioned how you kind of you hate when what you're hearing in evangelicalism I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I hate one of the things that I absolutely hate. Are bullies? Yes, I really I'm listen Jeff.

I wish I had your you know Your background with with martial arts. Maybe I'd be dangerous. I'm all of I'm all of five foot six, you know, 160 pounds sopping wet. So I'm not gonna intimidate anybody. Yeah but the reality the reality is.

That's not the battle we wage right the battle we fight is is is one that that that is armed with the truth of God's Word and One of the things that I shared with Ali when we talked about issues of race is is the idea of race says?

Plural is not a biblical idea. Right when we look at the Bible and we want to understand a a biblical anthropology. We're gonna go back first to Genesis chapter 1 verse 27 that tells us that we're image bearers of God.

In addition to that, we're gonna go to Acts 17 26 which tells us from from one man comes all Ethnos all nations of mankind, right? The idea of race says is is not something that the Bible Actually embraces what it does say is that there's one human race and that as a result there are many Ethnicities that are a part of that but here's here's the bottom line Jeff Luke.

We we are the same race. Mm-hmm. You and I are the exact same race. We are different ethnicities, but we are the same race and as a result That's the kind of thing that unites us not divides us. Mm-hmm that that truth that we're created in the imago day Unites us.

What it tells us is yes We're an image bearer of God. But at the end of the day as a result of the gospel that we need Salvation that we've all indeed sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And as a result of our sin, we need to look toward our Savior.

We who again unites us under his banner of truth. At the at the end of the day these these notions of separation and Segregation on the basis of melanin in the skin are our social cultural constructs that have no bearing in the foundation of Scripture and No basis from a standpoint of the manner in which God created us as one human race Created in his image and likeness made up of multiple ethnicities.

You use the word tribe. That's exactly right. Mm-hmm. That's right.

Yeah, and it's interesting because the thing that's that's if I could say there's a pain point for me. What I want to communicate in this area as as people are talking about the Black Lives Matter movement and to talk about issues of race and systemic racism and there's this class conflict now being created and Amplified between whites and blacks isn't interesting.

It's whites and blacks. So there's a lot of other Ethnicities out there what's going on with this create the class conflict here? When I when I when I think about all of that together, I think in terms of like well What are the Christians saying?