Matthew 24 part 5

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August 5, 2022

It’s the end of the world as we know it, and I’m just fine

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01:46: Host to child of Reformation society. We don't need your education. Give me a
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02:09: You can say what you want. You can say what you want, but you won't around me.
02:16: No, you won't around me. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are
02:25: Open Air Theology and we are live. My name is Jeff Rice.
02:31: I am one of the pastors of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church. And I'm here with my good buddy
02:37: Braden, Braden Patterson. Yeah, Braden Patterson from Valley Baptist Church, the pastor over there.
02:44: It's a great privilege to be able to preach Christ crucified. I'm XLDS and a Reformed Baptist now.
02:51: So it's a God -glorifying thing. So happy to be here. And I just got to say that was absolutely dope.
02:59: You like that? I absolutely love that. That was awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I figured
03:04: I've been working on several different things. And that one right there just kind of kicked off. And I heard the music.
03:11: And me and my co -pastor just made it happen. Co -elder. That's cool.
03:17: Sweet. So what are we talking about? Oh, Matthew 24 already.
03:24: Yeah, already. Not yet for you and already for me. Yeah, yeah. It's the end of the world as we know it.
03:30: And I'm just fine. Yes, we hope everyone is doing good. It's been a few weeks since we've been able to get online and have this podcast.
03:43: Some of you may know if you follow me, our church has been meeting in a women's center.
03:52: And so we've been written one day a week. And I, by God's grace,
03:58: I found a commercial property. And it's actually two commercial properties that's been brought into one.
04:06: So it's 303 and 305. And the Lord has sovereignly put it upon us to get it.
04:14: And so we've been doing a lot of remodeling. And like today after work,
04:19: I was building a pulpit. And, you know, I'm going to be remodeling. It's just been a lot.
04:27: And so I've been really wore out. And so last week I wasn't able to make it because I was picking up pews.
04:32: So we drove to Alabama. And I thought I'd be back in time. But it didn't happen. So we found 16 pews for $25 each.
04:41: And it was just a blessing that we couldn't pass up. Anyone that knows anything about sitting, like chairs are expensive.
04:51: We just, after each service, we have a fellowship meal. And it cost us like close to $3 ,000 just to get tables and chairs.
05:04: And that was because we got our membership somewhere and we got free shipping. Like everything is just so expensive.
05:15: What a good reason, though, to miss the podcast is to be picking that stuff up. That's super exciting.
05:21: I'm happy for you guys. Yeah, we're extremely stoked, man. And we just feel like the
05:27: Lord's going to use us. And I'll be able to start my discipleship program remedy.
05:33: And so we're just looking forward to it, man. How was your week? It's been wild and good.
05:41: Got bit by a dog. And so good to have that fun stuff. All right. Yeah. Yeah, it's been really good.
05:49: I do have to say, though, this Sunday, the reason that Haps isn't on here today is because he's in Idaho right now visiting some family.
05:55: He's up in my neck of the woods. And so we got to hang out on Sunday. And that was so awesome. It was such a blessing to be able to worship
06:02: God with him. It was wonderful. It was truly wonderful. Yeah, that's really cool, man.
06:11: Yeah. Yeah. All right. So do you remember where we left off?
06:17: I meant to listen to it today. Yes. So we got right to the parable of the fig tree in verse 32.
06:28: Okay. So I believe I think we might have touched on it a little bit, but I don't think we thoroughly examined it enough.
06:36: All right. Well, we'll just start there. Yeah. Yeah, we'll just start there. I feel like my mic isn't working that well.
06:46: And I'll start off by saying that I apologize if I haven't been able to study as much as I wanted to for this portion, just because this week has been wild for myself.
06:56: And I am not feeling the best tonight. So I haven't studied any night that we've worked on this.
07:02: Okay, cool. You know, I'm just letting the scripture speak.
07:08: Okay. And, you know, the end is the end. Every time it mentions the end. Right. It's the same thing, the end of the age, which
07:15: I can't get you on my side. No, not quite. I'm actually teaching through Matthew 24 during our
07:21: Sunday school hour. Cool. Yeah. And so. Do you do like open dialogue for that portion?
07:28: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I tell them if you have any questions, if you have any objections, let's talk about it.
07:35: So far, no questions. So far, no objections. Oh, cool. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool.
07:42: Yeah. And I was also on a podcast last night. Someone asked me to join their podcast.
07:49: And the link is on my page. And we talked about baptism.
07:55: And so he was just basically asking me questions that are posed to pastors as Baptist pastors, by people who are being introduced to Presbyterianism.
08:08: So, you know, how would I respond to this question and this question and this question?
08:14: So if you want to hear that, you can go to my page and check that out. We might do some other stuff in the future.
08:21: All right. So, Matthew, do you want to give a quick recap? Sure. Yeah.
08:29: Jeff, you see Matthew 24 as preterist and I see that as modified idealist is how
08:35: I would call it. Well, some of you like some portions you would see as preterist.
08:41: Absolutely. Yeah. All right. We'll just jump into it then. So verse 32. I'll read to 35.
08:48: And then if you want to come back, we'll break it down. From the fig tree, learn its lesson.
08:54: As soon as its branches become tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near.
09:01: So also when you, him speaking to his disciples, see all these things, you know that he is near at the very gates.
09:12: Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
09:21: Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
09:29: Amen. Love it. Love it. So how would you see?
09:35: So the fig tree, you know, the nearest antecedent to the fig tree would have to be in chapter 21.
09:43: Yep. Where he curses the fig tree. Yeah. Which I'll read that text real fast.
09:48: So Matthew 21, 18 through 22. Now in the morning, when he returned to the city, he became hungry and seeing a lone fig tree by the road.
09:57: He came to it and found nothing on it except leaves on them. And he said to it, no longer shall there ever be any fruit from you.
10:07: And at once the fig tree withered. And seeing this, the disciples marveled, saying, how did the fig tree wither at once?
10:13: And Jesus answered and said to them, truly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you shall not only do what was done to the fig tree.
10:21: But even if you say this mountain be taken up and cast into the sea, it shall happen. And all these and all things you ask in prayer, believing you shall receive.
10:33: Right now, there is interpretation where he says on this mountain. Him being on.
10:40: Something about him might be a mustache hair, but it always happens. Him being on, you know, coming out of the temple.
10:48: And so they're thinking that, you know, the interpretation of preterist interpretation is, is that he's speaking of the temple,
10:58: Jerusalem being destroyed, you know, tossed into the sea. And then 40 years later, it happens.
11:06: And so I don't know if you hold to that interpretation or not, but I would. And I would also, in my thinking of this, too,
11:15: I would also say that because getting back into that whole recalculation idea, right?
11:22: That the parable of the barren fig tree. We're not the parable, the barren fig tree. That example in front of it is the beginning of these recapitulation parables that we see, whether it be the parable of the land over parable of marriage, peace, so on and so forth.
11:39: The barren fig tree, I think, does specifically have fulfillment in 7080 with the destruction of the temple.
11:46: But I do think that the ethnic Jew is never going to produce fruit again. I think that this is saying that it's done, that the evidence of this doneness is going to be 7080.
11:57: But that's a reality today that that an ethnic Israel, ethnic Jewish Jewish people are not producing the fruit of God like they were in the
12:05: Old Testament. Yes. So when you say ethnic Jew, you're not speak. I mean, I mean, you're speaking of the in the old covenant since that whole system, not that a
12:14: Jew can't become a Christian. Yeah. Faith alone in Christ alone.
12:20: Absolutely. Yeah. And at that point, I would say if an ethnic Jew became a Christian, now they are part of true
12:25: Israel. They are now more Jewish than what they were prior in that sense that they're actually partaking in the in the in the covenant of grace.
12:32: Yeah. By having faith in the promise, the seed. And that's how they now become descendants of Abraham. Yeah. All right.
12:41: I'm down with that. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. But well, verse 35 says so when you and he's still speaking to his disciples, we know he's talking to his disciples from verses one, two and three.
13:00: When you see all these things, you know that he is near at the very gates.
13:08: So, you know, specifically speaking to him and like it carries on in 34.
13:15: Truly, I say to you, his disciples, this generation, the Greek word Gania, which always is the near demonstrative.
13:22: So when you go over to chapter twenty three and he's speaking to the
13:28: Pharisees, he says, I say to you that he speak. He said right here, he's saying to the scribes and Pharisees, all these things will come upon this generation.
13:39: All these things would be OK. So like let me just give a quick recap here.
13:44: So in verse twenty nine, he says, well, to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. Right here, he says, for you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, saying if we would have lived in the days of our fathers, we would have not taken part with them in the shedding the blood of the prophets.
14:06: Thus, you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your father, you serpent, you brood of vipers.
14:15: How will you escape being sentenced to hell? Therefore, I send you prophets and wise men, scribes whom you will kill and crucify.
14:27: And some you will flog in synagogues and persecute from town to town so that upon so that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous
14:38: Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berekiah, whom you murder between the sanctuary and the altar.
14:44: I say to you, scribes and Pharisees, all these things will come, will come upon this generation.
14:51: And so the scribes and Pharisees in verse 26 are, so excuse me, verse 30.
14:58: They were, you know, they were saying if we would have been if we would have been alive in the days of our fathers, we would have not stoned the prophets and killed them.
15:06: And Jesus is saying, I'm sending you prophets and scribes. And you're going to do the same thing that your fathers did to the prophets and that that were sent to them.
15:17: And so when he says upon you, these upon this generation, meaning that that generation also is going to do the exact same thing as the previous generation did by killing the prophets.
15:28: Yep. All right. And so that right here, this generation is that the near demonstrative is
15:34: Gania. We agree that that was what that is. And when you get over in chapter 24, he starts telling them, his disciples, that they're going to be betrayed.
15:43: They're going to be verse nine. It says, and they will deliver you over to tribulation and put you to death and you'll be hated by all nation for my name's sake.
15:54: Like like right here is him answering like like the scribes and prophets that these
16:00: Pharisees are going to kill. He's speaking about his disciples, his followers. So they're living in the time of that generation of the tribes of Pharisees, and they're the one that the scribes and Pharisees are going to kill because that's who
16:13: Jesus sent. And so when you get over here to 34 of our chapter, this generation, it says, and I say to you, his disciples, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
16:29: So everything I see, everything from 34, like right here, I think it's hard to argue that everything from verse 34 has not already happened because it says all these things, all these things would be from verses three to 34 has to take place.
16:48: And then a continuation of it would be first 35. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
16:54: And I would see heaven and earth as being covenant Jerusalem.
17:02: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would disagree to a certain extent, right? Because, of course, the way that I viewed 29 to 31 is speaking about, in my opinion, verse 29 is saying that the ethnic
17:16: Israel, right? The old covenant is fallen in this sense that they are being trampled down until the fullness of the
17:23: Gentiles has come in, right? That thinking of mine that I have, and I do think that there's stuff in here that leads me to think of the second coming in verse 31, as well as some other stuff here in chapter 25 and later on in 24.
17:37: And I agree. I think the way that you that way that you tied verse 34 to Matthew chapter 23, verse 27, was it?
17:48: Or what verse was that? 30. This generation that these things would happen in 36.
17:55: 36. Okay. Yep. So but part of that, too, though, I think in the way that I see this, right?
18:02: Verse 37. It continues. Oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem. And he talks about it. He says, your house is being left to you.
18:08: Desolate. I think that's still a thing today that that house is still being left to them. Desolate today. Well, the house is the temple.
18:15: Absolutely. Yeah. And so and I think I think it also is speaking about how God's glory resided there.
18:21: And so, yeah. Yeah. But it's glorious. Jerusalem isn't desolate. Daniel nine gives you the definition of desolate.
18:29: It's when it's when Jerusalem is empty of its people. And where is that?
18:36: Just out of curiosity, when where does that say that? And Daniel, I don't know off the top of my head why you're going there.
18:43: But that's that's my thinking is that it's saying that God's glory is is no longer in the ethnic
18:49: Jewish nation in that sense. And so when I when I come to Matthew 24, 32,
18:55: I think that this is now. So in my recapitulation, thinking verses three to thirty one has a has a has a narrowing of the lens and a widening of the lens that takes place.
19:08: And then in verse 32, it starts over again on that narrowing, referring, saying, now listen to this parable.
19:13: So he said he's recalculating something. And he said, but you're inventing something right there, man, because the text doesn't lead you there.
19:19: The text. I think so. Yeah, it does. He says now learn the parable from the fig tree. Right. He's saying it's he's he's like I said,
19:28: I think he's narrowing in. Yeah, because I mean, before then, he's basically, you know, given the you know, the wars.
19:34: I mean, he's given the birth pains. Absolutely. Given the he's given the warning of what's going to take place on that generation concerning the his his his the ones that he sent, his disciples being persecuted.
19:48: He gives the sign of the coming. Yep. And so now he's saying, you know, it's true.
19:55: Therefore, I mean, it would be. I think it would be out of Christ's character for him not to be doing that narrowing, widening of the lens.
20:02: Because in Matthew 22, Matthew 22, which parable of the marriage feast?
20:10: I'll just read a couple of these verses here. It says in verses four and on. It says, again, he sent out other slaves to tell those who have been invited.
20:19: Behold, I prepare my dinner, my oxen, my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything's ready to come.
20:25: Everything is ready. Come to the wedding feast. But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm and another to his business.
20:31: And the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them. Which, again, that's speaking of Jerusalem, Jerusalem.
20:39: You've killed the prophets. Right. But the king was enraged and sent his armies and destroyed those murders and set their city on fire.
20:46: That's that narrowing of the lens talking about 70 AD, I think. And it says, then he said to the slaves, the wedding is ready.
20:52: But those who were invited were not worthy. Go, therefore, to the main highways and as many as you find there, invite them to the wedding feast.
21:00: And those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together. All they found both evil and good. And the wedding hall was filled.
21:06: And so then it continues on, saying that the one that was without the wedding clothes, he's going to have his place in darkness where there will be weeping, gnashing of the teeth.
21:15: So I think, again, that's a narrowing of the lens and then a widening of the lens, talking about the entirety of the interadvental period finally being capstoned by the second coming in that sense.
21:26: And so I think it's in nature with how Christ has already been talking to restart his recalculations, because right after that, then he goes into another recalculation and then another recalculation.
21:37: So would you put the wedding feast as future for us now? Yeah, yeah. I would.
21:44: Yeah. And that part of me would go to Matthew chapter 24 with the parable of the 10 virgins in that.
21:51: And so I think that that so that's why when I come to Matthew 24 verse 32,
21:56: I think he's now narrowing again back into the destruction of 70 AD. And what's going on is he's saying this, the temple being destroyed,
22:06: Jerusalem, Jerusalem, how you've killed the prophets, I'm leaving your house desolate and the Gentiles walking, trotting over this city in that way because the stars, the moon, the sun are in a fallen state.
22:19: All those things did take place in that generation. And then I think from verse 35 and on, it now breaks up its widening of the lens again.
22:27: And so that's where that's where I see this narrowing and widening of the lens that's taking place. And I think it's I think it's consistent with how
22:33: Jesus has been talking through Matthew 24 up until now, too. Yeah. I mean, I just don't see it anywhere, man, even in Matthew chapter 25.
22:40: I don't see that he's speaking of the marriage feast. I mean, of course,
22:47: I see the Matthew 25 as being then present and future. You see what
22:53: I'm saying? So I believe that this is the already not yet. Like, yeah. And then, you know, of course, and with the talents, it's more it's more individual when it comes to the talents.
23:03: And then the final judgment. Right. Like I see this being played out in time right now.
23:08: But I don't see anything dealing in Matthew 24, the marriage feast. I mean, because I'm not saying
23:15: I don't believe the marriage feast is in the future. But I think there's a good argument to say that it's already happened as well.
23:22: I agree. It's an already not yet reality in that sense. I do agree with that. But I do think that the the the idea of the not yet specifically in 25 is is is.
23:36: I think it's pretty pertinent. Right. Because. And we'll talk after 25.
23:42: Yeah. 25. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, no, that that's my thinking on it.
23:48: So I do agree that like this verse 34, this generation will not pass away is speaking of the destruction of 70
23:54: AD. Like that's that's preterist in that way. They did see those things. They saw the I think they also see from 22, the invitation going out onto the highways and byways.
24:05: They saw that in that generation. Right. They saw the gospel going around the world in that sense.
24:10: And I would say first it was to the tax collectors and the prostitutes. And then it went to the
24:16: Gentiles who were actually to the Jews or worse than tax collectors and prostitutes.
24:22: Yeah. Just straight up sinners. Those that did not live under the law. OK. I mean, even the tax collectors and prostitutes, if you were a
24:31: Jew, you were still under the law, like you were born under the law in the covenant. And where is that?
24:36: And that was that's Daniel nine. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Daniel nine, verse one, it says in the in the first year of Darius, the son of Esariah by descent,
24:47: Amin, who was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans in the first year of his reign.
24:53: I, Daniel, perceived in the book the number of years, according to the word of the Lord to Jeremiah, the prophet must pass before the end of desolation of Jerusalem name, namely 70 years.
25:07: All right. And so when you come over here, you know, for the sake of having to read the whole thing, if you come over here to verses 17 and 18, it gives the answer.
25:16: Now, therefore, oh, God, listen to the prayer of your servant and his plea for mercy.
25:24: And for your own sake, oh, Lord, make your face shine upon your sanctuary, which is desolate.
25:33: So at this time they were removed from the land. It is desolate. OK, and we're saying, oh, my
25:41: God, incline your ear in here. Open your eyes and see our desolation in the city that is called by your name.
25:51: For we do not present our pleas before you because of our righteousness, but because of your great mercy.
26:01: And then when you go back to Matthew 24, it talks about the desolation when you see the abomination of desolation.
26:07: And we already conclude in from Luke, whenever you see the armies surrounding Jerusalem, that's the desolation.
26:14: Whenever they come in and remove the people, that's the desolation. So when Jerusalem is removed,
26:21: I mean, when the people of Israel are removed from Jerusalem, that's desolation.
26:26: And we know right now that the Jews are back in Jerusalem. The city is not desolate, but the covenant is no longer there.
26:34: Well, and that's that's I still think, though, that it's desolate in the sense, though, that they they are not the people of God, though.
26:40: Well, no, they're not the people of God. But if you if you like, I don't think they were the people of God in a time of Jesus.
26:47: Jesus told them, you know, sons of the Satan. Absolutely. And I think that that's partly that already not yet stuff that we also see in there, too.
26:57: I think that, yes, verse 15 of 24 of Matthew 24 says that this is the fulfilled the abomination of desolation.
27:04: I was spoken to by the mouth, the word of the prophet Daniel. I know I just butchered that quote, but anyway, you're fine.
27:12: I'm in such a brain fog right now. It's not even funny. But yeah, I think that I think that part of that, though, is is that it's still desolate today.
27:23: I really do. I don't think that by them going back, that is now mean that they're no longer desolation there. I think that that I believe it's desolate in the in the sense that verse 35 speaks of heaven and earth will pass away.
27:34: But my words will not pass away yet again. I see heaven and earth as being Jerusalem.
27:39: Oh, covenant, Jerusalem, a temple like the new covenant, the church, the bride of Christ.
27:48: I see as being the new heavens and the new earth. And it's and it's an already not yet state of the kingdom of God.
27:56: Yeah. Yeah. And even talking on that verse, I mean, I, I, I still. I still you got me on that one without Matthew chapter five, verse 13, is it that talks about it?
28:07: Like, I'm still trying to work that through in my mind because I always read verse thirty five as an authoritative text rather than heaven and earth passing away in this preterist sense that you've talked about in the past.
28:18: And so, yeah, I mean, like I wrestle through it just because of the theonomy debate.
28:23: Yeah. And I'm not trying to make this about theonomy. Let's talk about it, though. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
28:29: Well, it's it's coming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like in verse 17, do not think that I've come to abolish the law or the prophets have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
28:42: For truly, I say to you and to heaven and earth passes away, not an iota, not a dot will pass away from the law until all is accomplished.
28:51: Well, would you say that a part of that law has a law?
28:57: I would say everything but the 10 words have passed away and that the 10 words that were written on stone has actually removed from the stone.
29:06: And it's now in the heart and mind of the believer. Yeah. So the stone tablets have, in fact, passed away, but the words on them were removed and placed in our heart and mind.
29:16: The 10 words. Can I ask you on something like that? Because I'm still working through this. Hold on.
29:23: If that is true, then heaven and earth has passed away. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
29:28: Heaven and earth has passed away. But we know that the heavens are still there and the earth is still here.
29:35: So the heavens and earth can't be a literal heaven and earth. And we can go through this more and I can, you know, enlighten you some more.
29:42: But what was your question? Yeah. Yeah. So in chapter five, and I've been working through this myself, trying to figure this out a little bit more.
29:49: Could could the smallest like don't don't beat me up for this one. This might be a dumb question, but could the could do you think that verse 18 is talking about the entirety of the law?
30:02: Or do you think that that's talking about the entirety of the Ten Commandments? Well, so because sometimes where it uses the word law, like the law has been written on our hearts.
30:12: Right. That's not talking about circumcision being written on our hearts and following this. No, no, no. You see what
30:17: I'm saying? So the only thing written on the only thing written on our heart is the 10 words. Absolutely. Whenever Moses was given the commandments, chapter 20.
30:26: So 19, they're approaching the mountain. Chapter 20, he receives the commandments. Twenty one, twenty two and twenty three.
30:32: He writes down on the commandments, the statutes and rules. And then so like you see some of those in those chapters, but also when you get to numbers,
30:42: Leviticus and all these other like it goes into greater detail of what was actually written.
30:47: And so this is what's called the precepts. I mean, the the statutes and precepts.
30:53: I think I'm saying that right. All right. So those things are not written in our mind and on our heart, but we can go back and look at these things.
31:01: So this is what's called general equity. We can go back and look at these things and see the righteousness of God.
31:08: But this was actually given to a geopolitical nation of Israel, and it's not for the church to establish in our time.
31:16: So that was that's where I would differ with the. Yeah, this theonomous movement that's out right now, because we all want to say that we like, you know, that we love theonomy.
31:28: I mean, it's theos numos, God's law. Absolutely. The way that it's been, in my opinion, perverted, trying to bring us back under the old covenant system.
31:38: So if you believe, you know, like the New Testament teaches us Galatians, Romans and Hebrews.
31:46: I mean, I can keep going that that that the law is no more for us. Now, it's not saying that the 10 words are not for us.
31:54: The 10 commandments, the decalogue. But but even them has been kept by Jesus.
32:01: And in the way that we observe them, it's not in the same way that geopolitical Israel observed them.
32:07: Right. It's underneath that idea of general, general equity. You know, well, well, well, well, 1st
32:12: John chapter 10 commandments, right? Yeah. So 1st John chapter 2, verse 3 says, this is how we know that we have come to know him.
32:19: If we keep his commandments, whoever says that I know him and doesn't keep his commandments as a liar and the truth is not in him.
32:26: So you ask yourself, well, what is the commandments? Chapter 3, verse 23 tells you it says, and this is his commandments that we believe in the name of the son,
32:35: Jesus Christ. And love our neighbors as ourself. So you want to know how?
32:41: How do I love God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my mind and with all of my strength? It's by believing in the name of Jesus Christ.
32:48: Well, how do I love my neighbor as myself? Well, there's two. Two things I would point you to.
32:54: One is your teacher. God has given you the fruit of the spirit. You are to treat your neighbor, love, joy, peace, like these are the fruits that you should be displaying to your neighbor, your closest neighbor, being your wife, your kids, your church family.
33:10: And then directly from that would be your actual neighbors, people in your community and stuff like that.
33:15: But also is that whenever our neighbors are not being loving to us and not being joyful, they're not displaying the fruits of the spirit, we are to forgive.
33:26: You see what I'm saying? Absolutely. So we're called to love our neighbors. How? By being loving to them, by displaying the fruits of the spirit.
33:36: And whenever they're not doing so to us, we are to forgive. So the reason
33:41: I ask that about in Matthew 5, 18, because follow me on this.
33:48: In verses 21 and on, it talks about stuff that has to deal with the 10 commandments.
33:53: Correct. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not murder. Could it be said that the law that's talked about in verse 18 is talking explicitly about the 10 commandments, which is still happening today.
34:09: Therefore, heaven and earth haven't passed away. Well, hear me out.
34:15: I know, I know. This is me thinking through this. So I said earlier that the 10 commandments written in stone has passed away.
34:24: Okay. But the words, the stone has passed away, but the words have left the stone and they are in our mind and in our heart.
34:33: We don't need a visible representation of words carved on a stone to tell us how to live.
34:39: They are in our heart and in our mind. So I got another question on that whole thought too.
34:45: And I don't want to go down too much of a rabbit trail. So it's the separation of the letter of the law,
34:51: I mean, the written letter versus the law of liberty. So there's – I got it written down in a sermon, but there's a verse that tells us that the statutes and rules were written on the back of the stone tablets.
35:04: Yeah, yeah, yeah. In order for the statutes and rules to be done away with.
35:10: I mean, like if you're reforming, you hold to the three divisions of the law, but you also hold to the three uses of the law.
35:17: And I don't know if we've done a podcast on that. I mean, we can. I don't know if we got time tonight, but, you know, it's really good.
35:28: The three divisions would be civil, judicial, and ceremonial.
35:40: I mean, moral, ceremonial, and judicial. And the three functions, the three uses of the law is in a different category too of how it is that we use the law.
35:52: We use the law as a mirror. We use the law as a curb, and we use the law as a flashlight.
35:59: Like just a way to remember. We use the law as a mirror. We can look at the law, see our sins, know our need for Christ.
36:07: Our government uses the law as a curb to keep people from being as evil as they could be.
36:13: And as we read Scripture, we use the lens, the flashlight of what Christ has done in our life to interpret the law.
36:21: You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, and the idea of the Ten Commandments, that stones have passed away, but it's been written on our hearts.
36:30: Would you say that any time like an Old Testament saint, let's say like Abraham, Noah, Moses, was the law not only written on tablets for them, but was it also written on their heart when they were credited righteousness?
36:43: Or is that only a New Testament reality? Well, I don't think that this – now, you can enlighten me, but I don't know of a
36:51: Bible verse that says something like that. No, and I would just use – I would come to the conclusion that it was just based on the
36:58: New Testament. Because the New Covenant – well, yeah, the New Covenant says – the New Covenant is that he's writing the law in their minds and on their hearts.
37:08: So I would say that they was under the Old Covenant, and so that was not so for them. Okay. I would say –
37:14: That doesn't mean regeneration couldn't take place. I'm tracking you. Yeah. I'm like thinking through that because if regeneration took place in the
37:22: Old Testament, I would also think that that would imply a genuine following of the
37:28: Ten Commandments with loving God and loving their neighbor. Well, they couldn't love
37:33: God and love neighbor. I'm just thinking through that. They couldn't love God and love neighbor. Jesus had to love God and love neighbor.
37:39: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Forward. Absolutely.
37:53: And so what I'm thinking is in the same way that they had the future looking towards Christ, is there any sort of future looking towards the heart?
38:01: I don't know. I'm kind of going off on a rabbit trail. Like I said, I got a head fog going on right now, and so I'm like –
38:06: We can definitely do a podcast on it and dive deeper, but let's get back to Matthew 24. I don't think heaven and earth have passed away in that sense.
38:18: I absolutely do. If you believe that the law is no –
38:24: I mean even a little – this is not a dot or an iota. We know –
38:29: I mean like even if you don't believe that the stone tablets have, you have to admit that the ceremonial has.
38:40: The ceremonial is more than a dot, and it's more than an iota. Yeah. And so if that's true, then heaven and earth has passed away.
38:47: Boom. Yeah. There's no other way to interpret it, brother. But I look at other things that like – man, we're going to go down too much of a rabbit trail.
38:56: I'm just thinking like – We'll have a podcast on it. Yeah, I'm thinking like Romans 3. Those that are listening, remind us to have a podcast on this subject.
39:03: This would be good because right now I'm still thinking this is an authoritative text. That being said, I could be wrong on this.
39:09: I still don't think it changes my view of how I view the rest of 24. Well, you're letting the system interpret it for you.
39:16: No, I'm letting Christ's word, okay? It's Christ's word alone, Jeff. I hear you. I hear you.
39:23: All right, so verse 36. But concerning – are we done with 35?
39:29: Can we move on? Yeah, yeah. I'm okay with moving on. All right. But concerning that day and hour, no one knows.
39:39: Okay, so what day and hour is he speaking about? I'm going to be adamant that I think this is talking about the second coming.
39:46: The second coming. Yeah. But in my opinion, the second coming has not even been mentioned.
39:53: Okay. So I would say the day and hour is where it talks about heaven and earth passing away.
40:01: So the nearest antecedent would be heaven and earth passing away, and I would also bring it back to the sign of the end of the age.
40:14: But concerning that day and hour, not even the angels of heaven nor the
40:21: Son of Man, but only the Father. So I think
40:26: I missed a word. But concerning that day and hour, no one knows, not even the angels of heaven nor the
40:32: Son of Man, but only the Father. So you would say that this is the second coming, and I would say that this is the destruction upon Israel, that when
40:44: Christ was on the earth, notice Christ did not give a date whenever they would be destroyed.
40:51: He gave generation, this generation. So He didn't give a date. He gave a 40 -year period of when it would happen.
40:59: He didn't give a day or an hour. But I think also on that side, on that thinking, the amount of times that Christ has talked about with 70
41:09: AD specifically versus that you and I agree upon that are 70 AD versus namely that of 1, or verse 3 to 28, right, there's stuff in there that He says, you see this flee, you see this go, this happens, then you need to depart essentially.
41:27: And so I think that this is, again, that knowability versus the unknowability, that the day nor the hour, no one knows.
41:35: But 70 AD, though it's in that generation, they still can see those things.
41:42: They know those things are coming. They know they're coming, but they don't know the day and hour. I mean, this is exactly what
41:47: Revelation 18 talks about whenever the Lord tells them, when He says, My people, come out.
41:54: So the voice where He's saying, My people, come out, this would have been the sign whenever the army is actually surrounding
42:02: Jerusalem. So why would it be that Christ – and the reason
42:08: I go here is because this is a verse that's used by heretics all the time. I'm not saying that you are.
42:14: This is a verse that's used by false religions all the time, verse 36. Absolutely, yeah. So why would it that Christ speaking about 70
42:22: AD says that He doesn't know that date? Why would He say that? Well – Because I have a reasoning if this is speaking about second coming,
42:29: I have a reason to say why Christ would say it like that. Why would –
42:35: Well, all the way up, I mean, chapter 10, chapter 12, chapter 23, chapter 24,
42:43: He speaks of this generation. And so He doesn't give a specific time.
42:48: He just says this generation. Right. And so when He says that no one knows the day or the hour, it's referring to this generation.
42:55: I mean, it's two verses away. Verse 34, I say to you, this generation will not pass away and all things take place.
43:04: Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. But concerning that day – and it's talking about this generation that's going to pass away.
43:12: That day no one knows, not even the angels of heaven nor the
43:17: Son of Man, but the Father only. So why is it that the Father only knows 70 AD, not the
43:23: Son nor even the Holy Spirit? Well, we would both agree. So we would both agree that Jesus in and of Himself, in the body, is full deity, right?
43:35: Absolutely. That even as this infant, He was holding all things together. Absolutely.
43:40: All right. But would you also agree that the Scripture says that He learned knowledge?
43:48: Absolutely, yeah. All right. Well, this is just the knowledge that He hasn't attained, speaking of the man,
43:55: Christ Jesus. This is something that's been veiled from Him, but He knew it was going to come.
44:02: He said this generation. Right. But I don't see that.
44:10: When I see Him gaining wisdom and knowledge and growing in stature, this is talking about His human nature 100%, right?
44:18: He was created like a man. Absolutely. The likeness of man, but without sin.
44:25: Those things are true. But I don't see that this verse specifically. I don't see how Christ could turn offer on His deity.
44:32: I'm just leaning on this. Yeah, it's not. Well, I would never say He was turned off. I believe that while He was in His mother's womb,
44:40: He was holding all things together. Yeah, the fullness of God holding all things together. Absolutely. But when
44:45: He took on flesh, I believe that He could have chose to not have some knowledge of things.
44:52: So why then does the Holy Spirit not know this day then? Well, it doesn't. It says the Father alone knows this.
44:59: I don't know. I mean, I don't think there's a – I think any answer I give you is guesstimation.
45:05: Absolutely. And so this is where I think that verse 36, even if we said that nothing –
45:11: But if you just go with the context, the context is speaking of that generation. It's not speaking of – the context is not speaking of a future generation.
45:21: He's speaking that generation. But if He said that this generation will not pass away until these things have happened, and then there's a verse that if –
45:30: I think that if that day and hour – But concerning that day, show me the nearest antecedent to that day.
45:40: I'll get to that here in just a second. But verse 34, with this generation not passing away until these things take place,
45:46: I think that that would have been said after verse 36 if that was meant to be a part of that generation.
45:54: I know. Where is the nearest antecedent that angels, the son, and the father are mentioned?
46:02: I think that that takes place in chapter 22 with the marriage feast, that there's slaves, the son, and the father.
46:09: And it's talking about the second coming in that text. I think that – and I think that that will also play a factor in these next coming chapters, or next chapter in 25, where it talks about in verses 31, the judgment, when the
46:26: Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He'll sit on His glorious throne. And He talks about, in verse 34,
46:34: Come, you who are blessed of My Father, and inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
46:41: I think we see that these three – I'm just going to say three characters. That's not probably the right way to say it.
46:47: But the angels are servants, son, and father. Those three characters in that text are repeated every single time referring to the second coming.
46:56: And I think that you see that in chapter 22, chapter 24 now, and then chapter 25 with very heavily leaning on second coming language.
47:11: And so that's why I'm led to believe 36 is that. Now would you say the emphasis on verse 36 of chapter 24 is on the angels, son, and father, or the emphasis being concerning that day and hour?
47:27: So that day – so this is how I understand 36. So that's where your nearest sense of seeded would spring from is that day.
47:35: Not the son, not the father, and not the angels. The nearest sense of seeded would have to come from that day.
47:43: And the nearest sense of seeded is speaking to that generation. Yeah, and so what
47:50: I think is going on in here is language that the first century Jewish tradition would understand, right?
47:57: That chapter 22 where he says that when the father dictates that the wedding feast is ready, then he sends out his servants.
48:04: When he dictates when the fat and oxen is ready, that's when he sends out his servants. The father gets that privilege, not the son, not the slaves, not the angels.
48:11: It's the father alone that has that. Hey, let me answer Fred real quick. Fred, I absolutely believe in the second coming.
48:18: I'm an Amillennialist. I believe in the second coming. But Matthew 24, I'm a preterist.
48:24: I believe that all of Matthew 24 has already been fulfilled, that this is not speaking about the second coming.
48:30: It's speaking about Jesus coming in judgment riding on the cloud. Whenever the Bible in the Old Testament speaks of God riding on the cloud, it was judgment language.
48:42: So Jesus one day will return in the flesh. His feet will touch the earth.
48:48: And when that happens, the dead in Christ will rise. And also all the dead will rise.
48:56: Some will rise clothed in the man of dust, Adam, and some will rise clothed in the man of heaven,
49:02: Christ. First Corinthians chapter 15. Those that are clothed in dust, when we get to Matthew 24,
49:12: I mean, Matthew 25 will be the goats. And those that are clothed in the man of heaven will be the sheep.
49:21: I do think, though, with verse 36, I'm happy that you brought that up. Absolutely. Our views that we're talking about is within Orthodox and the guardrails of Scripture, right?
49:30: And we're not heretical by saying something's happened in 70 AD. That's not heretical.
49:36: And understand me and Brayden both enjoy this. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I appreciate, though. That's a great question to ask, though,
49:42: Fred. Seriously, that's the right question to ask when somebody is talking about these things. Do you believe in the second coming? Which that's
49:48: Orthodox, right? You have to say yes. Is Fred a friend of yours? No, no. But I'm happy he asked it.
49:54: So that's good. I didn't know he might be a part of your church or something. Nope. Nope. But verse 36,
50:00: I do think that what's going on in there is the same characters that we've seen from chapter 22 are going to be repeated.
50:07: And in chapter 22, where it talks about the marriage feast, it ends that with the day of judgment and him casting the person that was not clothed in the wedding garment, which is talking about Jesus covering us with his righteousness.
50:20: Those that are not covered by his righteousness, Ephesians chapter five, will not partake in this marriage.
50:27: And so when you look at chapter 22, at the end of that, he says that he cast that person into outer darkness where there's weeping and gnashing of the teeth.
50:35: The last person here in 24, it says that they'll be cast into the place with weeping, gnashing of the teeth.
50:42: And then in 25, it says that again in verse 30, weeping, gnashing of the teeth. And then also with the final verse 46 of 25, it says, and these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteousness into eternal life.
50:55: I think again, it's this widening and narrowing of the lens and a recalculation type of wording that's taking place in here.
51:01: I think that 36 only, in my opinion, I don't see how the son, angels, nor even the whole anything.
51:10: Because if the father alone knows this, it excludes all others from knowing this, right? Once again, just so I'm not surprised.
51:17: So just so I'm not surprised, would you view 36 onward speaking of the second coming?
51:23: I do. Yes, I do. I do. I do. I do. I know.
51:30: I know that it's going to happen. But I do think verse 36 is that widening of the lens of talking about the future second coming of Christ.
51:40: And he is, I think the only way that this verse makes sense in the deity of Christ is by saying that he's talking about the second coming, which is often referred to as the marriage feast, which is an honorable thing.
51:52: But the question you raised to me about him not knowing 70
51:58: AD, you can raise the same question about him not knowing the second coming. He does know that.
52:03: What I'm saying, though, is that he does. So right then you're saying that he knew that he knew the day and hour.
52:09: I'm saying he does. But I know today I'm telling you that whenever he was taken up in the heaven, he knew the day of 70
52:20: AD as well. Yes. But why? But why would he say that he does not know? Because 70
52:25: AD wasn't the wedding feast. Because he did not know. Because he did not know. So you're saying that he did not know. But that, I think that. I'm definitely not going to say that he knew and said that he did not know because that would mean that he was a liar.
52:36: No, no, no, no. I think that verse 36 is giving honor to the father by him saying, I do not know, because he's talking again to people that are always to be ready for the second coming.
52:45: And so he's giving honor to the father by saying that the father alone has the right and privilege of the second coming day.
52:52: So in that day, right, you could walk down the street and let's say, Bob, your neighbor has a son that's being married.
52:58: You can watch the wedding feast get prepared. You can watch the decorations being put up. You can watch the oxen being fattened.
53:04: And you can say, it's today. This is the day that it's happening. But it would be very, very dishonorable to go up to the father and say,
53:12: I know the day that said that the wedding feast is happening because I see these things. And so what I think
53:17: Christ is doing in here is saying the father reserves this right of predestination. I'm giving him honor to that.
53:25: I'm giving him honor to the marriage feast. I don't think it's saying that Christ does not know the literal second coming of himself, but that he is omniscient.
53:33: He does know those things, but he's giving honor to the father by saying. But couldn't that same answer be said about 70
53:40: AD? But I just don't see how 70 AD could apply to marriage language. That's the issue that I have with that.
53:46: Where's the marriage language? If verse 36, those three characters that are called back to chapter 22.
53:53: Those three characters are not the emphasis of verse 36. That's my argument. The emphasis of verse 36 is that concerning that day.
54:01: It doesn't say concerning the father, concerning angels, concerning the son. But it's concerning that day.
54:09: The nearest antecedent to that day is the end of that generation. Right, right, right.
54:15: So how about this? Yeah. Since you believe that, you know, onward from here on out is the second coming.
54:23: How about you take 10 minutes. Yeah. Walk through it and give commentary, and then
54:31: I'll do the same thing. So that way we're not bickering over each verse. And I do have to get off right at nine, so I'll only take two minutes to quickly do this, if that's all right.
54:41: All right, we got five minutes. I mean, there's no way to do it. You want to just put it off?
54:47: Yeah, that's totally fine. That's totally, totally fine. All right, so, well, all right, so.
54:54: It is a hard place to stop. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. All right, so we'll just put a pin in it here, and next week we'll pick back up at verse.
55:04: Well, not next week. I think you got something that you have to do. Yes, yeah, I'll be working next week. So I can,
55:09: I'll try to, whoever you're on here with, if you get on with somebody, I'll try to join you, but I won't be able to guarantee that, if that makes sense.
55:17: Yeah, so we won't do Matthew 24. We'll probably, I'll talk to Austin.
55:25: We might pick back up into Romans. We'll be in Romans chapter three, if that's so. I would definitely like to do some interviews as well.
55:32: I would like to get a Presbyterian on here and discuss pedo -baptism versus credo -baptism.
55:39: There's a lot of things that I'd like to do, you know, discuss the difference between covenant theology, have a new covenant theologian, someone that hosts a new covenant, someone that hosts a
55:52: Presbyterian covenant theology, as well as the other, you know, forms of Baptist covenant theology.
56:01: Like, I'm a 1689 Federalist. There's 20th century, and just kind of walk through this.
56:07: And of course, if you're a dispensationalist and you want, and good gracious can come on here.
56:13: I mean, be gracious and come on here and have a conversation without, you know, condemning me to hell.
56:21: I'd love to have you on. We can bicker with each other, just don't condemn me. Yeah, bickering is fun. Bickering is fun.
56:27: I mean, listen, y 'all see me and him going at it, but at the end of the day, it's just, you know, it's fun for us.
56:36: Like, I don't see how he understands what he does, but I don't see how you see what you see. It's the text.
56:44: So any last words for me? I'm right. You're wrong. No, I really enjoyed tonight.
56:52: I really enjoyed tonight. It's fun to do these kind of things. I, again, I apologize. Like I said, I'm in this head fog right now and not feeling the best.
56:58: And so, yeah, no, it's enjoyable to go through Matthew 24. That being said, the day that you have the
57:04: Presbyterian on here, whenever that happens, if that happens, I better be here, too, because I want to be a part of that conversation.
57:10: So, yeah. Maybe we can get like a two -on -two conversation, find two Presbyterians and me and you, and we can go through baptism or even a church of Christ or even, you know, some churches of Christ.
57:24: If there's some churches of Christ that watch this and they're willing to come on, we'd love to have you on and discuss baptism and all that other good stuff.
57:32: I think that's a good thing to say. Like, if there is somebody that's watching this right now that disagrees with our views on these different areas or even in other areas, especially with covenantal theology, like that would be, we would love to have you guys come and talk with that stuff.
57:46: So it's good. I enjoy this. All right. Well, as always, hallelujah.