December 1, 2022 Show with David Reece on “Controversies Over the Heart, Mind, & Soul of Man Confronted”

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I'm sorry 2022 and I'm thrilled to have back as a returning guest David Reese. He is pastor of Puritan Reformed Church in Phoenix, Arizona and CEO of Armored Republic. Today we're going to be addressing controversies over the heart mind and soul of man Confronted and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor David Reese.

Chris thanks for having me on. It's an honor to be here and I'm looking forward to talking through this. There's a lot of interesting doctrinal things here and some of them go back for centuries. So I'm excited to get into this and to talk about how it's affecting the modern church.

I'm as well, especially since to my memory. If it serves me, right. And it very often doesn't but but if it does serve me, right? I have never dedicated a two-hour program to these very important themes the controversies over the heart mind and soul of man and.

Before we get into that for the sake of our listeners who have not yet heard you on this program or heard of you in any other way shape or Form tell our listeners about Puritan Reformed Church of Phoenix, Arizona.

Thank you. So Puritan Reformed Church is a Confessional church, so we hold to the Westminster confession of faith. So we're historic Presbyterians. We we try to take the Bible very seriously the idea that it is the Word of God and we call ourselves Puritans.

Because the idea is that we want to be careful to maintain in the public authority of the church the doctrine according to what scripture teaches without adding or subtracting and then the same with the worship to be very careful to only use the worship that God has appointed to be used in his church and to not.

To not add or subtract from that. And then when we look at the government of the church trying to also be very careful there With doing the type of government that Christ has appointed for his new covenant Church.

And so when we when we look at those functions of the church What are often called the the marks of the church doctrine worship and government? Our goal is to be very careful to maintain those properly.

And we don't think that the mere forms are going to save people. We don't think the mere forms are going to cause people to be Converted or to cause people to be sanctified but we pray for the blessing of God on it knowing that that's what he's appointed.

And we should carefully guard what he's given into our trust. And so as Puritan Reform Church. That's that's our goal and that's what we try to do to be distinctive. And so some of the the things that other people might consider weird, you know, we we sing psalms without musical instrumentation.

We.

Spend exclusively sing psalms. Yes. Thanks. That's right. That's right.

So exclusively and and then we we you know we we have a careful preaching of the word out of the out of the Bible going through texts and I'm trying to deal with those and to deal with them in a in detail and to try to help people to see how to deal with the text and to wrestle with it to train them for that.

And we try to make sure that our philosophy of ministry is the idea that we want to as opposed to having a bunch of classes based upon age and sex what we have is we have an integrated worship where Families come together.

And our goal is to train men to pastor their homes as prophets priests and kings and have them lead their families In daily family worship and to give the example of their own private worship as well.

And so those are. That's kind of our philosophy of ministry. That's how we deal with things both in terms of families and also in terms of our our church and how it functions in a public.

Now on your website you describe the church as a reformed Presbyterian Church. Now does that. Insinuate that you are a member of the denomination the reformed Presbyterian Church of North America.

We are not so the historically the term reformed Presbyterian Means that you're what's called a covenanter and the idea there is is you you are. You hold to the idea that not only should individuals be in covenant with God and not only our households formed by a covenant in marriage.

And not only do people join into churches by covenant with baptism and then also the renewing of that covenant in the Lord's Supper but thirdly that we believe in the idea of a national covenant and that national covenants would have a obligatory element that goes across generations.

So if a nation swears to honor Christ as the King of Kings and to have its laws be in submission to the Word of God Then that would be binding across generations as a national covenanting is sort of the distinguisher between Presbyterians were called Presbyterians historically and reformed Presbyterians.

Is that idea of national covenanting?

Yeah, and I believe the denomination to which you do not belong shares that opinion with you as well as the exclusive psalmody and exclusive acapella worship.

That's right, and so you'd have that that uniting principle of the idea of the Continuing validity of a national covenant as something that there's also a reformed Presbyterian General Assembly reformed Presbyterian Church General Assembly and and there are some other groups that are that hold that as well.

So that's how that name reformed Presbyterian is used. There's a few denominations that have that as a part of their name and use that to distinguish the fact that they are.

Covenanters. Now, are you currently not affiliated with a denomination now?

We're in discussion with some churches in Phoenix about the possibility of forming a Presbytery and So we are we're looking into that and hoping to see that we believe that's the mature form of government and We believe that we are in a less mature state by not being United with others in a any Presbyterian right now.

Well, if anybody wants more information about Puritan Reformed Church of Phoenix, Arizona go to their website, which is Puritan PHX an abbreviation for Phoenix calm Puritan phx .com. Now, let us know about something.

Especially again for the sake of those who missed your last interview. And by the way, I want to highly recommend that our listeners After this live show is over Look up our previous interview with pastor David Reese on iron sharpens iron radio that took place on October 21st of 2022.

He was the second guest during the second hour unlike today where he is our guest for the entirety of the two-hour show. But if you all you need to do is type in David Reese and he spells his last name are EEC and that will come up immediately, but For the sake of those that did not hear that tell us about this fascinating business Of which you are the CEO.

Armored Republic.

Thank You Chris, so armored Republic is a company that manufactures body armor. So well We we have a mission and our mission is to honor Christ by providing tools of Liberty To free men that are necessary to defend their God-given rights.

So we believe body armor is a tool of Liberty that it is something that individuals should own For the same reason that they should own a rifle. And so I imagine a lot of your listeners own an ar -15 or Own a semi-automatic rifle of some variety and the reason they typically own that is because they think well I need a pistol in order to be able to defend myself in ordinary life against criminals.

And maybe you have a pistol or something like that as well. It's easily accessible when you're asleep to quickly grab it and to go check out a thump that you hear in the night. And so there's body armor that's useful for scenarios like that.

Like we have you know backpacks that have armor built in so you can have it as a part of an everyday carry Set of gear. There's also Concealed body armor a lot of people will use if they have a job where they're in a dangerous place or if they are Going into a situation where they don't know what's gonna happen but the reason a lot of people will buy body armor that could stop a rifle round is the same reason they own a semi-automatic rifle and that is you believe That you own that rifle because of the fact that you want to have something to be useful as a Citizen in the event that there's a need to resist tyranny and so a rifle and body armor Those are the two basic pieces of kit that are necessary for a free man to be ready to resist tyranny.

And I believe that people owning firearms and owning body armor Those are the types of tools that help a people to be hardened against tyranny and to be ready to resist and so having those pieces of kit help you to prevent the need to use them and Having that kind of gear is something that helps a people to maintain its freedom and so readiness is often associated with the preservation of freedom and it's a part of that readiness in terms of the Types of armor that could stop a rifle round and so we encourage men to get that and to train and To also be connected.

I especially encourage free men Christian men to coordinate in terms of Having people that they can train with and hold each other accountable because it's good exercise it's good to be ready and it helps you to be ready in the event of some sort of an emergency or Again, some sort of a a need to resist some sort of a tyrannical action.

And I think we're all increasingly aware of the dangers of tyranny as we think about the churches that were shut down For prolonged periods of time by the government and they need to be able to say no we look at what happened in Canada or Australia compared to what happened in the United States the Enforcement mechanisms because the government was not afraid of the ability of the people to defend themselves in those places.

The government simply was willing to act more tyrannically. And so it's a pretty terrifying thing if you see some of those videos of you know These giant construction workers and things like that being you know hurled around by the police the in the United States that would be unlikely to happen because of the fact that people know that people are Armed to be able to defend themselves against tyrannical action.

So That's that's what we do we make body armor and it's a tool of Liberty and Having it helps you to be ready to be prepared and to be available in the event of a necessary Act to protect your own rights and the rights of others.

And does this body armor come in all sizes men women and children, etc?

So there are different sizes and there were some that are that are very small. That could even be worn by a child to try to help to protect them and give them to be able to move and be Transported. We some people buy body armor that's built into a backpack.

It adds about a half pound of weight Essentially not noticeable in a backpack so that children could have a backpack with armor built into it to take to school. But I would encourage your listeners any Christian that has their child in the public schools I'd strongly encourage them to get them out and get them a Christian education and and so.

But even in a Christian school, there's a danger of some sort of an attack and having Something like body armor built into the backpack is good. But yes we do have different sizes and and I would say that first and foremost the man needs to be ready to protect his home and Then having gear to protect other people so they're available to be able to transport or defend themselves that's that's good and.

But being able to to have something that's necessary for the basic duties of a man in the civil sphere Is what I would most want to emphasize now.

Just to ask a couple more questions about this business because it is fascinating. Is it comfortable. Is it cumbersome? How how does this feel when you're wearing it?

Yeah, so Different types of armor are going to feel pretty different. So you have a concealment armor if you're wearing it, it's the armor itself is basically and it's Kevlar like material. It's going to be light.

It's going to be flexible. The armor is going to be form-fitting so it's not going to feel like you're wearing something that's particularly, you know Difficult to wear it's gonna be comfortable. They are the backpack armor is also going to be that way when you move into something.

That's more like a tactical kit something that you could wear. That would be effective in combat that would be able to stop a rifle round you start to have that's hard. Those plates are hard and then you have the the plate carrier that it's inside of.

And so the plate carrier can have padding or not. You know the larger it is the more kind of room it takes up so it can start to feel bulky if you've got padding. Some people especially people who have a professional use like a SWAT team or something where they're gonna kick in a door.

They prefer stuff that's sleeker. So typically not having padding, but if you're gonna be wearing it for a long period of time sometimes padding is preferable so, you know if you're if you're Dealing with a situation where you're wearing for a long period of time.

So you can have that kind of thing and the other thing is the types of armor can range from you kind of steel. Which is typically heavier or ceramic which doesn't stop. Multiple rounds as well. It's gonna stop less rounds than like steel.

And so then you also have what's called polyethylene, which is made out of plastics and that's going to be very light. And at the same time more expensive and so you have these range of options to reduce weight and to make it more comfortable.

And all that kind of stuff and so I'd encourage people to check out the site and you'll find that there's some pretty interesting armor options there. But if you're looking for somebody something that's economical.

So you can have it and store it for a long period of time and have it still be relatively light. I would really encourage people to check out what's called our a2 armor. It's kind of a lightweight steel and I can sit in your closet for up to 20 years.

So if you want to buy this have it available so you can do your duty if anything ever were to come up. Then you would have that and be able to sit for a long time and to be something that's available there.

But I'd also encourage people to train and to use that and helps them to get into shape. I find that the hikes sometimes. It's good to wear that kind of stuff and get used to it and it makes so that you're more you get in better shape.

But also it makes us that you're more able to use it if duty were to require its use.

Yeah, tragically, New York, and it's not a shock. I just briefly glanced at an article and Someone can correct me if they're listening and I am an error but I know that the article headline was that New York outlawed body armor, which is another example of the insane left.

Trying to strip the average American citizen from the ability to defend his or herself. Absolutely mind-boggling.

Yeah.

Legal the state of New York making body armor illegal, you know, why would a government make it illegal? They make it illegal with the claim that there are going to be you know, look here's mass shooters.

Look at all this stuff that's going on. Why do the civilian need to own body armor? And so there's making much out of the mass shootings. I'll tell you what since the 1990s until now there are less than 2 ,000 people that have been killed in a mass shooting and.

At the same time if you look at the previous century the number of people that were killed by tyrannical governments. And this is not just people killed at all. I'm not talking about war. I'm not talking about occupying forces.

I'm talking only unarmed citizens killed by their own government without judicial process. A 196 million people were killed unarmed people were killed by their own governments in the previous century.

196 million. So everybody wants to make much out of mass shootings. The danger is not the mass shooting. The danger is tyranny. Overwhelmingly, there's a far greater danger of tyranny than there is of a mass shooting.

And the other thing is people forget that between five hundred thousand three million crimes are prevented every year depends on the source you look at but but even the FBI and the CDC did studies and they each found we're talking millions a year of crimes that are being stopped by firearms and so firearms tactical gear and.

Those things are used to stop criminal behavior.

But also.

Tyranny is a far bigger risk than mass shooters and what happens with the radical left is they are trying to make it so that mass shootings are as scary as possible in order to justify taking away people's rights.

And that equipment is necessary for the teeth of the people to be able to rally around sheriffs or Governors who act as lesser magistrates and say no to tyrannical action. Everybody became aware during the kovat situation that who you had a governor and who you had a sheriff mattered a lot for the kind of tyranny that could be gotten away with.

And so if you had a governor that said no to Forced lockdowns you get a sheriff that said no your life was very different from having a sheriff or governor that said yes. We're gonna force you to stay home.

Yeah, the irony is that those in are on I should say the left Those that are most prone to imposing tyrannical dictates and mandates here in this country. They will mock the idea of Conservatives being concerned about our government in this country becoming a tyrannical dictatorship and Yet they simultaneously Call us Nazis and.

They.

Use the slogan that democracy was at stake in their their political campaigns. Not that this country ever was or was it ever intended to be a democracy? It's a constitutional republic. At least it's supposed to be.

But they have that. Talking out of two sides of their mouths on the one hand mocking Conservatives for being guilty of conspiracy theories and in invoking terror and fear into the minds of the citizens that a tyrannical government is taking over and at the same time they call us Nazis and tell us tell the voting public that Conservatives are going to destroy the democracy of the United States.

It's pretty wild. You know, it's funny because you know Nazis Nazis is short for National Socialist and you say that to to people who are Socialistic or two people in the Democratic Party and you you engage with them and they kind of go.

Oh, that's ridiculous. There's no relationship there. I mean the Nazis were highly socialistic. They they took the government took over industries or it controlled the industries heavily and basically, you know.

Pretended as though they recognized ownership on occasion and but they would say you know, yeah, you get to own this property. But you do what we say or we'll take it from you and I'll tell you what if you if you somebody tells you how To use the property.

It's not yours. And if that's the case, we recognize the fact that you know, the the Nazis were socialists socialism. The the the control of the economic means of a country is a way of controlling everything else.

And so the less economic freedom that we have which is protected by the law of God, right? You shall not steal includes princes right princes people in government ought not to steal and so we have the economic rights we have the ability to defend ourselves you shall not murder applies to the government to and when we look at these things with the the law of God gives us our rights and the more that the government steals our Rights the easier it is for them to steal more and so we have to we have to say no on the edges.

We have to say no on the little things because the more we give away in terms of our God-given rights the more that we are going to see the state become a type of beast a type of Tyrannical Empire and so you look at the size of government in the way that it's growing.

I mean, there are 23 million employees of the government in the United States of America 23 million. We're talking about more than 10 of the wage earners in the country. Being people who live off of tax dollars and and so we we have this ever-increasing Government where there's tax and spend borrow and spend print and spend and the idea that we should not be worried about tyranny when that much power and that much economic influence and The extensive law books and regulation books that are being produced are out.

There is absurd We individual liberty involves being left alone not being told what to do in every area of life and having thought police and having all of the money in your wallet extracted this.

Is.

We certainly live in an increasingly Concerning condition in terms of the overreach of government. Oh, yeah.

And the very first thing or one of the very first things that the Nazis did when they gained control of Germany was to confiscate weapons and And they were also They were littered with Homosexuals even in positions of high leadership.

In fact, I highly recommend a book called the pink swastika Homosexuality in the Nazi Party by Scott Lively and you can even look that up on the iron trip and Zion radio Archive. I have interviewed Scott Several times on that book, but if anybody wants more information about Armored Republic go to Armored Republic calm.

Armored Republic calm and my friend. Dr. Joe Moore craft of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia was very Fascinated when he heard about your business because he when he ran for political office wore body armor and Was eager to find out more about your company.

So just I thought I'd throw that plug out there to my friend Joe Moore craft, but to get to the theme. Before we go to our first station break let's give a summary of Why there is such controversy? Over the heart mind and soul of man that you have encountered that you have heard and seen and What are Christians many if not, even the majority of modern evangelicals getting wrong about those element of humanity.

Yeah, thank you so I think the the basic problem is that there's an offense of the simplicity of the gospel that the idea that all those Who believe the gospel are? Justified all those who believe the gospel are saved.

That is an offense to many who want to make Salvation into something more complex than justification by faith alone. And so what you end up with is people trying to make faith into something that is very complex or very unstable as opposed to Understanding and believing the revealed truth about who Jesus Christ is and what he did and And so that idea that the that the key thing is the content the revealed content from the mind of God delivered to man that that content is the Object of faith and that there is no difference between believing the gospel and believing Jesus Christ.

That that requires the work of the Holy Spirit it is a supernatural gift the gift of faith and People don't want to believe that If you believe the gospel you're saved. There's something they want to add and there's a lot of Trinitarian heresies that relate to this as well.

So throughout history there have been many Heretical views that attack one point of doctrine or another and they use a bad Anthropology a bad view of man and they try to use that in support of Whatever heresy it is.

They're trying to push and so in the modern evangelical church. What I have found is experience and emotion or Obedience are often the things that people want to add to a saving faith and they want to use that To in order to support that they want to redefine the nature of man and to make it so that man is more than The two components that God made him out of right?

He made him from the dust of the earth and from the breath of his mouth and that idea of those two components the body and the soul. Undermining those helps to support a wrong view of man a wrong view of saving faith and also a wrong view the Trinity.

Yeah, I have observed two extremes that are opposite to one another in the church. You have on the one hand the the heresy that seems much more prevalent that We are to somehow bypass the mind in our relationship with Christ and our Worship of God and our Outreach to the community as we function as a church that It has even been viewed as aberrant to To tell people that they much must diligently search the scriptures.

They must separate From those that have serious error in their understanding of God and even in their understanding of man and we are to just lift up Jesus and bask in the warmth and joy of Jesus's love for us and When we complicate things by adding Doctrine as being necessary and the even the scriptures is being necessary to rightly understand The Jesus that we claim we are worshiping.

We are called Pharisees. We are called people who are robbing brethren of the joy of Christ and That basically we're supposed to be just linking arms with everyone who says I love Jesus. And then of course you have those on the other end of the spectrum spectrum that are almost exclusively cerebral in their approach to Christianity.

This would be a minority. I believe in the day in this day, but those that Do not demonstrate joy in their Christian lives or their worship those that Are very harsh and sectarian mean-spirited bigoted Proud and so on and they base this all on their intellect very often.

Are you in agreement that those seem to be? Two extremes that exist in the church with the first I mentioned being more prevalent.

Yeah, I think I think those those both exist and I would suggest to you that Both of them are caused by a wrong doctrine and when you ultimately the beliefs that we have Control what our goals are and what are what we think are the right means to use?

And so if you think that there are that Christianity is a is a Philosophy the true philosophy, but a philosophy that doesn't encourage you to have a zeal and a love for neighbor a love for God a desire to express in a beautiful life.

What it is that? You know that God has told us to do If you don't have the desire to show forth in In beauty what God has commanded us to do that There's a a real failure there of doctrine which is funny, right?

Because this idea that these people that are very cerebral very focused on doctrine They're still not getting the doctrine that we're commanded to have the beauty of holiness and so that making ugly of Christianity is is a is a travesty there and on the other side like you said the rejection of doctrine when Christianity is At its heart, it's the truth.

And so the rejection of the truth.

Is that that other error?

So I think that both of those are are real errors and the dominant error of our time is the rejection of of the intellect. A Rejection of truth and to only think about the intellect and not be concerned about the other elements of life I think is also a grievous error, but it's certainly not the dominant error of our time.

I.

Can remember years ago being at a barbecue? That was hosted by my Roman Catholic friend Robert Posh. I hope he's listening today with his lovely life his lovely wife Mary Lou but this was on Baldwin a Long Island, New York when they lived there and Bob Posh Started these parties at his home Back in the early 90s and the goal of these parties was to invite Protestants and Catholics over to his home so that they could eat drink and argue and Bob and I would always be the the last two Present in his home going back and forth over our very serious differences, but but in spite of Bob's strong opposition to my Calvinism I overheard him while I was sitting there at a Picnic table in the backyard.

I overheard him speaking with a woman and the woman said Bob you are so caught up in the spirit of religiosity is so disturbing and distressing and depressing. Why don't we just agree to lift up Jesus together and Bob said see that guy sitting there at that table Chris Arnzen.

I disagree with almost everything he believes, but he believes in something you don't believe in anything.

So I.

Just thought I'd throw that in there. It's funny memory but we have to go to our First break right now if anybody wants to join us in the air with a question of your own for our guests today. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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