April 26, 2018 Show with Marco Barone on “Luther’s Augustinian Theology of the Cross”

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day of April 2018 and I am delighted to have on the program

for the very first time today Marco Barone who is a doctoral candidate in philosophy.

He's an author and blogger at philosophy of the cross blog spot

calm.

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We are going to be addressing his book Luther's Augustinian theology of the cross

the Augustinian ism of Martin Luther's Heidelberg Disputation and the origins of modern philosophy of

religion and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to Iron sharpens iron radio

Marco Barone.

Yes, and Marco is calling us all the way from Northern Ireland.

And obviously from your accent that is not an accent.

I detect as being an Ulsterman's accent.

Where are you originally from?

That's what I figured.

Not too far from Naples and.

Yeah, and I'm abroad for six years now.

Now.

Do you pronounce your name Barone or Barone?

I don't know.

We have final the final.

So it's it's Barone.

Yes, that's correct.

Okay, and.

I was delighted to Discover that someone who is one of my favorite guests on iron sharpens

iron radio David J Engels ma wrote the forward to your book.

And another very dear friend of mine, Jeffrey C. Waddington also wrote a commendation for the book.

I am going to Read dr. Engels ma.

Well, I'll read a portion of what he has written for your forward.

Barone's book is a superb and convincing treatment of a grand subject

the faithfulness of Martin Luther to the theology of Augustine or Augustine

in proclaiming a radical gospel of grace founded on what Luther called the theology of the

cross in contrast to the heretical theology of glory

and.

Before we even go into the subject matter of your book Typically Marco when I have a

guest on for the very first time on iron sharpens iron I have them describe the

religion of their upbringing if any and How our sovereign Lord got a hold of you

providentially?

What the circumstances were that he brought about into your life that drew you to himself and saved you?

Nominal Roman Catholic

Evangelical is mental and

my first encounter with public

govern is

as he

enables

for

and

this

many.

Yes, I had the pleasure of interviewing him.

It was a yes real joy.

We discussed amillennialism.

Yes, yes, exactly.

Yeah, he was my he was my minister

for three years.

We actually and

and the product of my

Ma is the

gain our pH

the moment I'm studying and that's

well.

Praise God and by the way, let me give a plug

also to.

Your former pastors book Called to watch for Christ's return is.

The.

The book by Martin McGowan, that's how you pronounce that right McGowan

McGowan.

And You can get that book from reform free Publishing Association at RFPA

org that's RF for reform free PA for publicly Publishing Association org.

And I was go ahead.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, if I may interrupt you for those in the UK and Ireland and in Europe in general.

Look, you mentioned they can visit of my current church.

Okay, okay great and you can feel free to repeat that if you want.

Great and we'll have you repeat that at the end of the program as well if we remember.

And I was also very pleased to find out that my new associate pastor or I should say the

Associate pastor the new associate pastor of the church where I'm a member Simon Omani

Knows of you and is looking forward to getting in and reading your book as well.

Yes, yes,

he finished his

theological studies in California.

And is now here in Pennsylvania as the associate pastor of Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania

Where I am pleased to be a member.

Well.

Can you tell me why you as a theologically reformed Christian otherwise known as a

Calvinist if we were to give you a nickname Why are you so fascinated and drawn

to Martin Luther?

Some people might scratch their heads and wonder why and especially perhaps Lutheran's would.

But why.

Why is Luther such a fascinating figure for a Calvinist?

I think

Calvinist

we believe that the Lord the guy.

That is true and he did that.

And

Lojan the week Alvin is.

Yeah, unlike what our Roman Catholic friends will accuse us of believing a

Gospel that didn't exist until the 16th century and that's that's a an absurd and slanderous

Charge against us.

According

to

which.

I.

Let me

give our email address to our listeners if they have any questions of their own.

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attention to your identity.

I understand all that, but if your question is not about a personal private matter Please at least give us your first

name city and state and country of residence.

Well, I know that Martin Luther in the 16th century before The Lord opened his

eyes to the true gospel of the scriptures.

I know that he was an Augustinian monk and He must have had some kind

of fondness for Augustine and his heart and mind.

There are people that you may be aware of who are not only Roman Catholic

But even some of our fundamentalist Baptists and other fundamentalist

Protestant friends who are not Calvinist or perhaps even anti Calvinist.

They will often bring up our fondness for Augustine and the fact that we

We pay tribute to him as a true father of the faith.

We know that Calvin also Drew a lot of his theology not only from the scriptures

But also the way Augustine taught and explained the scriptures and they will they will

use this.

As.

As a part of their rhetoric to Disparage our theology as if it is to

Roman Catholic in some way, which is always to me very bizarre because Those who are anti

Calvinists are usually much more Soteriologically in alignment with Roman

Catholicism than they realize.

Yeah.

But if you could explain why we should and why Luther

did and why Calvin did view Augustine as a

genuine doctor of the church whom we should be ready to

glean wisdom from even though we should not obviously view him as

an infallible Writer.

He he was not like the the authors the human authors of Scripture.

He was not Communicating God -breathed Words when he

wrote.

He was a he was a fallible man.

But a brilliant man and used mightily of God.

So tell us why we should look upon him as a valuable and faithful source of.

Information on what the Bible teaches to

say that Augustine was not a Roman Catholic.

Right.

There was no papacy for instance at that time.

There was no papacy at that time.

Unlike the claims of Roman Catholics who claim that they can trace their popes all the way back

to Peter the Apostle There is no Documentation or historical record that

Augustine would have viewed the Bishop of Rome as his Pope.

No.

Roman

Intended as we intend it as we

can know

it some of the

fundamentalist you

Mentioned

only

one

of

the

Augustine

was

placed

in

order

not

reading

that

much.

He

needs to

know

now.

Luther is a fascinating character because Many of us

who are theologically reformed aka Calvinists Delight

in what he has written.

We delight that he Echoes what we believe about the the

Depravity of the human will the bondage of the will which was made clear in his debate

with Erasmus.

Then we are puzzled at other times By his belief in

baptismal regeneration, which seems to Conflict with the great

watchword of the Reformation Sola Fide.

How much of his Theology was Augustinian which most of us who are Calvinist

believe that Augustine had much of the

same view on Election and other things that

Centuries later John Calvin would would later echo and embrace as his own.

It seems that Augustine was one of if not the greatest

hero next to Christ, of course of John Calvin and

so where where does the Similarity come into play here with what

Augustine believed soteriologically and what Luther believed.

Well, not exclusively also for instance today you will hardly ever

find a Missouri Synod Lutheran or Wisconsin Synod Lutheran or other

conservative Lutheran who would also Be soteriologically

similar to a Calvinist in regard to Unconditional election and even since we're

talking about the cross today About a particular redemption or definite atonement or as it's

sometimes called limited atonement.

So I was just curious how much of what?

Augustine believed was Continued in the life of Luther's

belief and writings.

Calvinist

Believing from.

I Officially

believe he believed all these fighting

Romans moment and

he.

Melancthon.

Melancthon.

And also maybe

because

just out of

curiosity,

I think

and I

could

be wrong

that.

In spite of everything you said I think paradoxically Augustine also did believe in baptismal

regeneration.

Did he not?

That he believed that.

And then we find also he

this man, of course, they are not

infallible.

Hmm.

Yes, but he'll

say

that

Augustine also was

a genius and a developer of and

baptism.

There's some

more develop

some more

regeneration.

Nothing has

caught him on.

This

thing is

not

entirely true.

We're gonna go to our first break right now.

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Break, this is a question from Gordy in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

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And I read to you before the break a question from Gordy in

Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania who said would you please explain what Luther means by the theology of glory?

In fact, if you could even tell us what the Heidelberg disputation is.

Yes.

Theological disputed happen

exactly and

in front

of the Augustinian order in front of the main authority of the German Augustinian order

and

then People

present there

questioning him

teaching

and

preaching

all of

your

glory.

Right.

I'm talking about Armenian in principle, right?

Pendant of man.

You know in many evangelicals on

the 99

Entirely

dependent and amen.

Well, the thing that's ironic going back to what we were saying earlier is that I don't think any

Christian Outside of the Reformed faith or Calvinism can actually consistently and logically

make that claim.

You're saying something that's.

That's interesting and also simultaneously confusing because from what I

understood from all my reading of Luther and in the history surrounding him and all the guests that I've

had on this program both Lutheran and Reformed

it seemed that historically Luther.

In his earlier ministry even after his conversion.

And leaving the Roman Catholic Church.

Unwillingly, by the way, as we as we know he fled for his life because he was

surely going to be executed.

Right, right, but He seemed to be much more Roman

Catholic in his earlier years even after his conversion to

Biblical Christianity and what we would call now Protestantism and he over the

years shedded More and more of the baggage of Rome, although he never

completely shed everything that we would call Unbiblical baggage of Rome.

He seemed to become More and more biblically sound as the years went on.

But in this area you seem to be indicating that a reverse is happening.

In fear God.

And

then

he

discovered

in

not 15 and 15.

And

see

by

themselves.

What Luther says in that commentary.

On the other side you also have to say yes.

95 theses.

95 cases we know that.

Right.

He was still a Catholic.

He was a monk.

He still he still believes in these things at that times.

Paul Luther still wants to submission that the

Pope.

Yeah, he was really opposing the sale of.

Indulgences to yeah rescue people out of purgatory and the abuse of those sales.

Rather than rather than opposing Indulgences and purgatory.

It's themselves.

He was really starting off with just the way the Tetzel and and others were abusing the

Plate playing upon the fears of men and also upon the fear the greed of

Rome.

That's how st. Peter's Basilica was built was through Frightening people to give money in order to

rescue themselves out of purgatory through the giving of of alms and so forth.

Exactly and

This

be condemned of

a

wrong understanding long understanding of the cross

standing of the grace of the five pieces themselves which we

Remember were produced

in 1517.

And then

he goes on saying there is no

cross.

Okay,

but in 15.

We have Tyler.

Oh by the way, I forgot to tell Gordy in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

That you have won a free copy of Luther's Augustinian theology of the cross by our guest

Marco Barone.

With excuse me.

No, I said to her enjoy.

Through through.

I'm sorry. You got to repeat that.

I'm sorry.

No, I said to our guest who won the book.

I said enjoy the book.

Okay.

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I.

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apostolic foundation.

Excellent point, especially since as we mentioned in the beginning of the show Roman Catholics

continually claim that the 16th century Reformation was an invention

of the imaginations of the Reformers and that they were teaching things that had never

been believed in those 16 centuries prior or 15 centuries

prior and This could not be further from the truth because did not Luther not only did he bring

the church or was.

Was it not his mission to bring the church back? To the apostolic foundation and the scriptures, but he

also did he not use very heavily The patristic evidence that the Roman Catholic

Church had actually abandoned their own.

Fathers in

regard to

their

theology

a

fire

in

the

Augustinian

the

years

in

a

very

interesting way to

see to it

the enemies of see

my

collegiate if

not Billy man.

A

convincing way and the power

of the enemies of.

You're speaking of the Jew you're speaking of the Judaizers in Paul's day and the great parallel between

The Judaizers and Rome even though many on the surface would not see the connection because the

Judaizers Were trying to make the church an exclusively Jewish group.

Yeah, and and and with with circumcision as a requirement, but the Church of Rome was still

adding things to faith Sacramental and otherwise to make one fit for heaven.

Exactly.

Of course, there are different.

Not

going I'm not going to will mention

them already.

Lucas by the way Marco we have to go to our midway break right now.

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Regarding Luther's Augustinian theology of the cross.

That's chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

And Marco before the break.

You were comparing the heresy of the Judaizers with that of the Roman Catholic Church.

And if you could continue where you left off.

And often

present

even

in a

not

Intended because we know

that.

Yes,

and

as I

said,

and I

I

mean

not myself but Luther himself makes

and.

And.

We have another question.

That is relevant to what?

Something we were saying earlier about the the theology of glory.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County.

Who asks if I'm remembering correctly you said the erroneous theology of

glory that that Luther condemned.

Meant that one could bypass the cross and enter into heaven.

Who was teaching this at the time of Luther.

Even though the Roman Catholic Church had a very Heretical and apostate

gospel at the time of the Reformation They still would never have claimed that you could bypass the

cross and enter into heaven.

So who was Luther challenging and refuting by this?

When you

play

Luther's

point

if you

not

then

believed

in practice when Additions are made

in the Salvation

Right say, you know what?

You know what I mean?

Yes, if you for example, if you could just an

example of me in Christ.

Yes, I

understand

like

it not only to the Roman Catholic Church, but nearly every cult that I can think of

claims.

That one has a Salvation that is only possible by

grace and they really contradict that in their theology.

No matter what they say about grace like for instance the Roman Catholic Church from from my

knowledge they really only vociferously protest against

the to watch words of the Reformation.

Sola scriptura and sola fide they would claim.

Most of them anyway that I have had conversations with they would claim sola gratia.

But they really don't believe in sola gratia at all.

By the

way, we have

a listener.

From Lindenhurst, Long Island CJ who corrected me about you being the first person I've interviewed with an

Italian accent.

CJ is reminding me that I interviewed Simonetta Carr who is originally from

Reggio Emilia in Northern Italy.

Right.

Do you know Simonetta Carr?

She writes.

Do you know do you know Simonetta Carr.

She writes books about great figures from the Reformation period and other periods of

history for children.

It's a it's a woman named Simonetta Carr.

Carr is her married name her American name, I believe or at least.

Yeah, and she's from Reggio Emilia and I may be butchering that.

By the way, CJ, you're not gonna win a book by just that Remembering or reminding me about

Simonetta Carr.

So if you want to win a book you have to write in a better question than that, but I thank you anyway.

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This is Chris Arnzen If you just tuned in to iron sharpens iron radio our guest for the last 90 minutes

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Has been and will continue to be Marco Barone and he is the author of Luther's

Augustinian theology of the cross the Augustinian ism of Martin Luther's Heidelberg

disputation and the origins of modern philosophy of religion and.

Our.

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Please give us your first name your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania.

Who says.

Can you please explain?

To our Roman Catholic listeners and listeners and other religions who wrongly believe.

That we who believe in the doctrines of grace alone and faith alone in regard to our

salvation are not Saying that men may live Unrepentant

wicked lives and expect to go to heaven after they die.

Common solution

of

that

teaching

that is

not

is and Because

for

regeneration

a new

life

and

commandments

nation of

the world for us.

You're that we may do whatever we want because no

matter what

we are going

to know it

does not mean.

Nonetheless, this is a new beginning.

This is a new life.

He knows has declared

him righteous

In

front

of

God in

the God

teaching of

grace.

Oh, they

do not

read

from.

No, no, this is not what

Paul teaches nor is

the opposite.

It's

anti

-numinous.

It's an

ongoing.

No, there

is not.

I know man

is means the enemy.

Thank you.

We have a listener in Hilltop Lakes, Texas Linda who

says Let's see here.

Have you read?

Eric metaxas is book.

Martin Luther the man who rediscovered God and changed the world.

If so What do you think of it?

Her husband

Glenn

found it fascinating

not read

it.

Sorry, but

I've heard.

Oh, that's good.

I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that.

Not that not that I don't think Eric metaxas is not

a Very brilliant man.

I have much to admire in Eric metaxas.

In fact, I envy His interviewing gifts.

I think that he is in a superb Talk show host both on

television and radio and He has a lot of qualities I admire but the thing the main

thing that I have in opposition to Eric metaxas that I'm aware of anyway Is that

he is very outspoken about his Ecumenical views

with the Church of the Church of Rome and In fact, he

wrote a book called Seven men that he pays tribute to and one

of those men is Pope John Paul to The other is

Charles Coulson now Charles Coulson.

There was a lot to admire in him to basically Eric metaxas is

the heir apparent to Charles Coulson's Ministry that that

took the position after Charles Coulson went home to be with the Lord but but sadly Charles Coulson was

also an outspoken ecumenist with Rome and was the chief architect I

believe of the.

The.

Evangelicals and Catholics together.

Peace treaty.

Yeah, which undermined.

Seriously undermined the differences in the gospel believed by Roman

Catholics and evangelicals.

Yes,

right.

Yes, and I'm not saying that mark that his book on Martin Luther because I haven't read it.

So his book on Martin Luther might be excellent.

But but there is the impression I got to about.

Very good sense of humor.

Very good sense of humor very very nice person.

Yeah.

And just because someone might have personally might have bad theology doesn't mean they can't be an accurate

historian.

In fact the classic book on Martin Luther here.

I stand by Roland Baten.

Roland Baten was not a Conservative evangelical by any stretch of the

imagination, but he still wrote a very accurate historical account of Martin Luther's life.

Um.

And I would love actually to have a debate With Eric metaxas on this program or

have somebody debate Eric in a friendly way But a serious way nonetheless on

ecumenism with Rome.

And would love to in fact, I think Linda has given me more motivation To try to

accomplish that and to arrange such a debate whether or not he'll agree.

I have no idea but Linda Please give us your full mailing address in Hilltop Lakes, Texas

So that we can mail you our CV.

Bbs .com can mail you a free copy of Luther's Augustinian theology of the cross.

Thank you so much for contributing to the program today with an excellent question and CJ from Lindenhurst

Long Island has a real question now other than just reminding me of Simonetta Carr, which actually

wasn't a question.

It was a comment.

CJ says that the subtitle of your book

Involves the origins of the modern philosophy of religion.

Can you please explain how Martin Luther's Augustinianism? Was the

origins of modern philosophy of religion?

Yes

in

our

we give a

limit that

would read

every time

we

give

prior

and

every

time we focus.

In our doing theology

in our

reading

and

finds reason

in the best man.

Naturally reject the original sin or

the Bible teaches Paul.

Yeah, I know

that I know

that

Charles Spurgeon said

that we're all Arminian by

nature.

Okay, but your quote may be accurate as well.

Yeah, yeah,

that's

that's kind.

That's kind.

Very similar

when

reason

is

and

In order to prove

they

have

analyzed they

were

not

well we

make

sense

on a

more

way.

It happens and I think

Luther didn't count and Leibniz

more.

Amen.

Well CJ you have now this time won a free copy of the book.

We are addressing Luther's Augustinian theology of the cross by our guest Marco Barone.

So, please make sure we have your full mailing address in Lindenhurst Long Island, New York So that cvbbs

.com can ship a free copy of that book out to you.

I want to make sure before we take any more listener questions that you summarize

What you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners in regard to Luther's Augustinian theology of the

cross.

And then if we have time after you give us the summary, we will take some more listener questions.

On

the main

point

channel

and bless

Augustine

is like

he

said

action intellectual gain.

There

is

no mention

of

crisis

of

importance

we

can

take.

Praise God.

Let's see, let me take a couple of more questions from our listeners while we still have time.

Can you please?

Give a contrast between a philosopher and a theologian.

And

then

there is

different

systematized

in a Understandable

commentaries when

they

it's

not

to

be

demonized.

Yes

in

them.

Now,

do

you

think?

In regard to a philosopher that is

Practicing his trade in a Wrongful way or

At least in some part he steers off the course Do you think that sometimes philosophers

and I've noticed this with Arminian philosophers, especially that they will

attempt to reserve their teaching

To the the logical conclusions

That they that they come to through human reasoning

and They will of course if they're a Christian use the scriptures.

But they tend not to really connect the whole Council of God together very well, like for

instance an Arminian Philosopher might say something like if God has ordained

Before the foundation of the world all who will be saved.

Then therefore we would conclude that Christians don't need to evangelize anyone Because they're gonna

be saved.

Anyway, that would be like the the wrongful conclusion of a philosopher who is not really

practicing his trade correctly.

Am I off base here?

Or what would you what would you know?

Sending the general when

it

comes

to

interesting

on

and

reading

of the

Bible

is

wrong.

If we start from argument

itself found because the premises are not right.

So this

and when we are out of time brother we are out of time, I'm sorry.

I want to make sure.

I want to make sure that our listeners have your contact information.

Philosophy of the cross blog spot calm.

That's philosophy of the cross blog spot calm and I know that

people in the UK.

Can order your book?

From the website of the Covenant Protestant Reform Church, correct in the Northern Ireland.

Okay.

Okay, great.

Well since I mentioned the available online since I mentioned Covenant Protestant Reform Church's website I might as well bring

it up.

It's CPRF dot co dot UK CP for Covenant

Protestant.

RF.

For reformed and I'm not sure why the work the letter F is in there as isn't Frank dot UK

Dot CEO dot UK you could also order Marco Barone's book from CV

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And let's not forget our friends at the Reformed Witness Hour who are clients of mine.

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Thank you so much Marco Barone, I look forward to having you back on the program very soon and very

often.

I want to thank everybody who listened especially those who wrote in questions.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior Than

you are a sinner.