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And so we're gonna talk about that today and I I just want to before I bring our

Guests on I want to mention that this Podcast that we're going to talk about.

This is something where many years ago. I had this brilliant idea and It was to create a podcast and I talked to a couple of friends of mine and I had this brilliant idea so I thought of creating a podcast where we would just put it out there and people could sign up and They would be able to preach their favorite sermons from years ago

And the idea was that we would just get people to to randomly just go and preach a sermon but maybe give some history about the sermon beforehand and The idea was really not for me to do any of the work and but get everyone else to do it

See, that's the brilliance of it. And I had this idea. I talked to a couple friends I talked to one friend who actually was like this is ingenious.

I love it and he actually in prep preached four sermons gave a history before it and he was he was anxious for this and then

I got a Text message, I believe from Colleen Sharp from theology gals

Who's the co -host with me on so you want to be a podcaster and she's like have you heard of these guys?

like no, she goes they're doing your idea and They are they just did it better So I want to welcome the hosts of revived thoughts troll troll troll.

I just mixed both your names together Troy and Joel So you guys

It's it's kind of like, you know, I travel with with Anthony Sylvester, oh and I've got in the habit of calling him doctor or Dr.

Sylvester or I just call him the dentist so that people would call him that because he just did a debate on Apologetics live last night and the guy he debated was commenting to Anthony and I this morning and he's referring to Anthony He did this during the debate too.

He kept saying Andrew was doing this Andrew was saying this and I'm like Dude, like you don't even know who you're debating here.

Well, he was doing the same same thing when he was writing It was so I understand it. So forgive me for calling you a troll.

Um, You know, maybe what you should do is reverse the name and put is

Joel Enjoy It's harder to combine yeah, they do it then it becomes joy which isn't so bad

I guess there you go Hey, that's better than a troll So you guys let's let's start your podcast is revived thoughts and Before we get into this we should announce that you guys are award -winning podcasters you you guys have gotten the award from the

Christian podcast community a podcast me that you and I are both our shows are a part of and You got the award for 2019 for best

Christian podcast of the year. So Congratulations on that first off Thank you so much.

We were really excited We were also really surprised even when you sent an email and like you guys are nominated. I was like, that's so cool

I can't wait to see the list and tell everyone look at the other podcasts We got to be with when you told us we won.

I literally this was like I don't believe this It was really it was really exciting and it was an awesome surprise

Yeah And we did we won a little bit of a cash Bonus from you guys a little gift card and that went straight into our fund to buy new microphones, which we are using now

So thank you very much. Yeah, we have it was a massive improvement over what we had before Yes, I being that my view of you know

Dynamic mics that snowball versus an ATR 2100 love the choice.

Yeah So so now you guys are right now together

Let's let's just establish the fact that you are six feet apart from one another, correct? Yeah, absolutely even further.

All right, we don't want to just make sure that you keep your distance from one another social distancing Of course. Yeah, I mean now that you don't have to share a mic you're not

Coughing all over the same mic and all right good and this was filmed way or recorded way before the kovat 19 stuff

So obviously we didn't we didn't even know about it at the time. Exactly. That's why that that's fine So so let's talk about Your podcast and and I it was it was on that soon as Colleen sent me the first episode of your podcast

I was like I mean what you guys did and and the it's the irony that you guys thought of a complete independent of me and Yet you did it much better than what

I had planned because you the format of your show is the two of you Talking about the history of the sermon not someone else

You guys talk about it and you guys provide that and then you guys get someone else to preach the sermon and so There's probably people going like well,

I could listen to a sermon, you know on sermon audio or at my church What makes these sermons different?

yeah, and so we kind of went through a lot of renditions as far as what we wanted to show to look like because Troy and I neither one of us are our voice actors, you know

We love to host a podcast But we also thought it'd be neat to have a different voice kind of each doing doing each sermon each

Week, and these are from men all throughout history So, I mean from a hundred years ago to some, you know, twelve hundred years ago

They're arranged through all of church history And so there's a lot of different opportunities for different voices to come through But we still wanted to kind of have a show to host and to talk about and so we came up with this format of doing this introductory

History backstory kind of portion of the the podcast where we spend the first 5 -10 minutes

Kind of setting up the setting of what was the era? What were the audience that this sermon is being preached to what's going on in the world at that time?

You know, where's this speaker coming from? What's his past? What's his upbringing and it kind of gives better context and kind of makes you know

Our hope is that it makes that sermon seem a bit more real and kind of more grounded With it and yeah

I mean you were talking about coming up with this idea and you know It's kind of simultaneously coming up with it that was that was one thing that we were terrified about you know and production or this show because we we were

We loved the idea and it took us a long time to get going There's probably about seven months of no a year and a half was a year and a half first time

We discussed it was November of 2017 I am still living in China for a long time and we did not publish our first episode till May of 2019

So there was a year and a half between the two Yeah, between that here's an idea and yeah said ready to publish and that whole time where we're researching old sermons

We're kind of modernizing the language so that it's not in the old Kings English that whole time

We're kind of you know, trying out different recording techniques There's a lot of test episodes that we kind of put put shelves and that whole time we were we were

Thinking it's got to be any day where someone else is gonna come out with the same idea But thankfully

I think we we beat most of the competition to the airtime So it's it's it was just a matter of time before someone came out with it though So I don't wanna be selfish, but I'm glad I'm glad we got to it before you

You mentioned why these sermons there is there is truth that can be understood from the historical perspective

That we today just don't see it We every sermon if you're like me you have a few people pastors you like to listen to Obviously Joel Osteen Creflo dollar no,

I'm kidding, but you have some people you probably enjoy listening boy those weren't sermons And and when you listen to them, they're all great

But they're almost all from the West and they're all from you know, their recent sermons from this week this month this year

That's good because they can really relate to you. They're talking to you and your culture But it's cool to go back and hear people from Germany in the 1500s to hear people from Rome and the 400s or 300s

These voices and it's really cool because you can see what we have in common is still the story of Jesus Christ But some of the differences really helps me understand my walk with God better They have thoughts and they have ideas and they see things differently

They're living through persecution and famines and wars that we don't live through So there's a perspective that we can kind of lack and they can help supplement that So this is this really cool thing where I'm strengthened because I see my faith has not is so consistent

But I'm also incur I'm also challenged because I'm seeing things from a new perspective that I would have never gotten access to so let let me start with your backgrounds because Other than the fact that you stole my idea made it better and took off with it and then made it an award -winning podcast

I'm not I'm not jealous or envious or upset in any way But but let's start with your backgrounds, you know,

I mean you mentioned you were from China Were you the one that brought kovat 19 over just for the record?

No, no, I'm sure I brought over other things All the time in China. So yeah, but I did not bring that over.

Yeah, I was teaching for two years in China and From China you were you went over there to teach us actually

Joel and I we met at a Bible College in Kansas City And then I went over to China for a couple years also taught

Miami for a little while I was a teacher now. I'm a children's pastor and During that time

I was in China. It was lonely. I was on the other side of the world So my time the difference was very different And so when

I was messaging people it was either late at night early in the morning So I gave me the midday where I had nothing to do, but you know my job

So I was pretty boring and what I wasn't doing my job. I was just reading books and stuff and somewhere in that time

I just kept thinking like it'd be cool because I was reading a lot of the old big books of history I'm talking like good ones like Martin Luther's bondage of the will but also bad ones like Karl Marx's communist manifest

I just wanted to read the books that changed the world and somewhere in there my brain started to think about like well

What if we read the sermons that changed the world and that kind of was one of the things that kind of helped push us In the direction of coming up with this idea.

Yeah. Yeah, and Troy and I Became really good friends in Bible. It was back 2011.

We met freshman year of Bible College and We remained really good friends even when he moved away to teach at China.

And so he called me up one night I forget what it was. We were just chatting about stuff and we were shooting.

We were shooting a bunch of different entrepreneurial ideas Entrepreneurial. Yeah, and so most of them were forgettable

This was just one that I threw in there. Yeah How about this idea? how about we do a podcast that is where we just listen to old sermons that have been recreated and For some reason it's it's stuck and worth

Alice. Let's let's workshop that let's let's perfect that and kind of make that a Thing and so that's where it kind of started and it took it took as Troy said about a year to have to fully

Develop, but we had a lot of fun making it And yeah now we're here today so so what got you into church history because This is not something that a lot of people like to study but and let me preface also with this

I've just kind of realized that There's people who love history usually had one professor

And that they'll remember who it is then taught history in a way that it came to life and it's like they all remember who that is and that's usually

I Find that there's usually one professor that that everyone had that's like this is why I love history

I didn't I had two one in seminary one in high school But so what what brought about your love for history was it a professor or teacher and in school and If so, do you remember who they were?

I do remember my world history teacher and also my European history teacher in Highschool.

Mr. Derryberry was a great teacher for the most part He had a lot of excitement and or the very least I like the class

But if I'm gonna be honest, I didn't think much I loved history I read a lot of books when I was such a nerd when

I was in high school I probably read like a hundred political nonfiction books because I just thought it was super interesting and a lot of those have to do

With you know the Constitution and founding so that was always like a history was always a part of that kind of thing

I was reading but I will be honest. I didn't think about church history. It was the podcast

Dan Carlin's hardcore history That probably made me like Reawaken the history in a way that had it because he was really intensely focused on telling the story

And I really liked that because everything I learned about history in school I felt like was just the facts, you know

There was a population of 700 ,000 that lived in the city and they would all you know, they were textile makers

So they wore purple clothing and blah blah blah. I was like, that's fine but it wasn't very interesting to me and Listening to his show brought the stories back to life where I was like this person did this and it affected everything and I was

Like that's what I want to do. It was not really I mean, we didn't really set out to start a church history podcast if you had asked us along the way

We wouldn't have even realized that was what we were doing But as we looked into the stories of each of these men they have just incredible stories and lives and they just kind of We'd the more we read about them the more like I got to know more about Hudson Taylor or John Calvin or whoever these guys

Are there they live? Lives that did just seem larger than life most of the times like how did one person do all of this?

So that's actually where I think that what you guys did is such a huge Improvement on the idea that I had my idea was just that people would talk about the sermon just the sermon and then preach it

And it'd be a way of people being able to just go and promote Hey, I'm you know, I'm pastor of so -and -so preaching this sermon, but you know, they could introduce them

So that was my thought but the history you guys provide. I I love church history and That's why

I love especially when you guys do you do some of the the sermons from guys that no one knows and there

It's it's different. I mean like Calvin. Okay, a lot of us know who Calvin is, but then you you get into some

I'm don't remember the name of the missionary you had a missionary I never heard of before and it was just neat to see the background and That's where I think it really is.

So, you know, I'm glad that you're not doing like Dan Carlin with a six -hour episode, but Which he breaks he breaks like all the rules for podcasts

I love it when people say well, how long should my podcast be it? Everyone looks at Dan Carlin like well, he does like, you know, four to six hour episodes like one episode

He comes out with them every six months. So they talk about consistency. Well, he's he's not exactly consistent with it either

So he breaks all the rules, but he's got like this excellent podcast Mm -hmm, and it doesn't make history when you're as good as Dan Carlin.

You can break the rules because you're as good as Dan Carlin Yes, there you go so so I mean

You you got a so I guess Dan Carlin would really be your the guy that got you into history and stuff

But why did you choose to take sermons from people that nobody knows?

I mean you you do some of the guys you mentioned Hudson Taylor a lot of us know who he is Not everyone knows some of the background

Mortimer Whitley guys like this the Golden Tongue For folks who know what their church history right in the in the

I think he was what second century third cessionary John Christopher's century Chris awesome.

Yeah, and little note you'll find that 90 % of our pastors start with the name John So if you're not a

John or your kid is named John you set him up for a life of pastoring as far as I can tell Yeah, but I mean you take a look, you know

John Cothastrum was was known as Golden Tongue because in his day his preaching was just something to be heard and You guys had hit.

Well, you didn't actually have him on you had someone pretending to be him, but you guys went into his history Providing a sermon that Literally has been read but no one really heard it preached

For you know, maybe 2 ,000 years Yeah, that's that I mean that's the kind of the the motivation of the show is this idea that we live in a modern world

We live in a in a in a world where? So much content is so readily available in so many different ways, you know, we constantly are

Connected we're have smartphones or constantly seeing videos run. We're listening to podcasts all the time and the the reality of these old because I mean as we said kind of implied before that the

Word of God is Timeless it is so applicable from eras past, you know, just as applicable back then as it is today and These old sermons are kind of you know, in some ways being forgotten.

They're kind of like being left behind Because they're not in formats that our modern generation really takes advantage of and really utilizes a whole lot

So our motivation was hey, let's get these old sermons and put them into an audio form

Make it easy and accessible for people to listen to and people can hear these kind of different takes different perspectives on on The same things that we interact with every day or you know relationships with God You know problems with our culture government like things that they're not new problems

They're not new concepts in the Christian in the world of Christianity people have dealt with these concepts for Centuries and so to hear these people from you know, 500 years ago talk about kind of the same concepts

Of course, it's different in their culture but the same concepts as they as we're dealing with today's is a really neat thing and you know, you're kind of mentioning earlier

Having some lesser -known names in there, too that was also something that we thought was important too because you know, we could we can make a big show about all the most famous names and That'd be fine but we wanted to kind of maybe introduce some people that Haven't aren't as well -known that maybe don't have a whole lot of recognition with them as well to kind of shine some light on Them because we you know, there's 2 ,000 years of church history there's 2 ,000 years of people that have been seeking after the

Lord and walking with the Lord and having great things to say about their views on the

Bible and Really? I mean, it's only the past 90 years or so that we've been able to kind of document it in in a digital format and a

Media format And so we got roughly 1 ,900 years of history. That is just waiting to be

Unpacked and made available in a digital way. Yeah, and our slogan for the show is world's greatest or history's greatest sermons

And we're looking for the best sermons Some of the best preachers are not the best theologians are not the ones who remember we could do a show where we just put

Spurgeon Edwards Bonhoeffer Luther and Calvin and those five on rotation and our downloads probably be even better because those all five of those do really great, but With that some of the best sermons are preached by people

I had never heard of when we do the research and we find some of these sermons I can't tell you how many times I think Joel and I both will be like wow

I don't know who this guy was. That was a good sermon. That was a really Just something about it was just perfect and we had never heard of the guy before and we know, you know

And no one else we literally have sermons I don't think anybody has ever heard before we paid for one out of a library in Britain So we know that we're the only ones with that one.

Yeah. Yeah, that's actually a really neat story there was this this sermon that My wife who is a musician was coming across that one

One of the things we see a lot about these people in history. Is that a lot of these old? Pastors also were were artists especially with music like they would write the hymns and stuff for their

Congregations and that's something that you really don't see in today's society You're your head pastor of your church isn't writing worship music per se that kind of rules been branched off but throughout the majority of history like the the leader of the church was also writing music and so a lot of these great names in Old church music were also great leaders in the church and there was this

Sermon that was referenced several times that George What's his name

Troy George Matheson George Matheson said of course I'm blanking on as soon as I start talking about it George Matheson who is probably better known for his hymns now but he there's this document of him preaching the sermon about Joe before the

Queen and the Queen loved it so much that she ordered it to be copied and documented in her personal writings and we thought that'd be a cool episode to kind of look into and we did research and research trying to find this sermon and We see all of these instances of historical accounts

Talking about that event talking about that sermon and how Australia I found like reviews from them being like great sermon preached before the

Queen so like the sermon was really famous But but the sermon itself we could not find and eventually we found the hometown that George Matheson lived in the library there had an old copy of it in their archives and We were able to coordinate with them and get scans of that and then have it emailed over to us and we were able to Kind of translate it into a modern reading and get that done.

So as far as we know like that is the only publicly like Digitally accessible version of that sermon in the entire world that we checked on which was it was a cool adventure

It was a cool process to get that Paint because Scanlated pages.

I didn't run it through processors. I had to take out all the mistakes for say made a lot It was in the 1800s English So, I mean the whole process to get that from we found this sermon to then ready to then spoken

It's a lot of work, but we really enjoy it and that's one of the other things too Like we speak about people every sermon from a guy you probably haven't heard of It's not just sitting there on like a website usually where it's like sermons

You've never heard of usually they're in like We live in the perfect time Google took like all these library books and put them up as PDFs for you to find

But you have to go and copy and paste doesn't do a lot of work to get those, right? But it is a lot of fun and I can also see why no one else was doing it before you know, it's interesting because I remember

Justin Peters called me up one day and he because I do I Plan a lot of conferences and I have you know

I've he knows I've done that and he's like I got an idea for a conference I want to do and I want to run it by you

He goes I want to do a conference where we get a bunch of pastors that like these good preaching pastors that Have no name.

They have no platform. No one knows who they are and let's put a conference together I said, that's a great idea. I love the idea.

The problem is who's gonna show up if it's a bunch of people. No one knows Right, that's actually the problem.

We have I think with this whole mindset of platform that you see in in the world today were

Even though the book industry has changed when when I went to write my first book I remember talking with Phil Johnson and said listen should

I go self -published? I go published and and he basically told me says unless you have a huge platform going published is useless

It's just the whole market changed They only care about whether you have a large platform and when

I did go with one of my books I was published that the thing that they wanted to know how many Twitter followers.

Do you have how many Facebook followers? Do you have how many I was just that was all they were really interested in I was like What about the quality of the book?

Move down and this is a thing that I love what you guys are doing with it because we often think of the greats who've made their mark in history and There are a whole lot of guys who we don't know of and yet they made a mark

Maybe on a small congregation, but there's a mark I think that could be made in a generation today by what you guys are doing on the podcast

Repreaching these sermons and giving that the the background the history of these different people

That's where I see that you guys are not just a sermon podcast when I first started listening

I put you in the category of like sermons that this is this is a sermon But then

I started to realize no you you guys are really in the church history category and the sermon is really the example of the history

Because you guys what I notice a lot of times and For folks who are listening you you need to listen to revive thoughts to to see this and pick this up but what you guys do is

You provide that history that background to the sermon, but so often what I find is you're in giving that setup for it

Not only are you giving the history, but you're putting the historical setting for a lot of these sermons

So that all of a sudden it's like oh That's why that's being preached. It's not like this is being preached in a vacuum

There are times where look if you're if they didn't always do expositional preaching back then, you know verse by verse, right?

But That's actually why so much of their sermons are topical so much of their sermons are dealing with things in that time period

And a lot of times you guys give that background and then you hear the sermon and it's like wow

If I just listen to the sermon, I've been like, oh, that's really good. That's cool But when I listen to the the information you give before the sermon all of a sudden

I understand the historical setting now when I end up listening to that I actually listen to that differently because I now am putting myself in the position sometimes have gone.

Okay, that's what was going on This is what's being addressed and it really helps

To not have it as just an old sermon that might have some good theological discussion

But now I'm seeing that as I'm listening and this is just me as a listener to your podcast I find myself putting myself in the position of someone in that Congregation because I now have a better understanding of the culture and why it was being preached.

I Don't know if that's something you guys had planned That was exactly the goal though We I mean we say it on this show a lot to like imagine putting yourself in the shoes of a person back then but we

What got to me was there was a sermon by Bonhoeffer called overcoming fear and I read it and I was really impressed with it

But when I went back to read the date and the information on it I found out that the week he preached that the

Friday before so Sunday to Friday the Friday before Communists and Nazis in the street had gotten in this big brawl and when

I looked it up Basically, the Nazis had marched to the streets of Germany Berlin where he was and they said we want to make

Hitler the chancellor Of Germany and the communists the brown shirts came out more like no, you're not they get in this huge fight.

There's torches It's a crazy mess and then two days later these people show up to church terrified

I'm sure and Bonhoeffer gets up and goes do not be afraid you have nothing to worry about Jesus is in the boat with us like what on earth do you have to be afraid of when you're afraid run to him in fear and it just it made so Much more sense when

I understood the context of it And honestly, it was so much more brave of him to preach that sermon because that's not a sermon

I think I could have given in that moment And when I try to think of myself as somebody in that church in that moment I thought wow, that's amazing and when

I thought about that I was like we need to do that with all of these sermons like these sermons have to feel Like you're in the you're in the pew with them

And if you feel that moment where you're almost like losing yourself in it I think that it is a much more powerful sermon that way and you really come to appreciate it

If we just gave you the sermon and said here it is an old English do your best with it I think we would have people who enjoy it but I don't think it would be

I don't think the show would be nearly as impactful and would have Would have the same it just I don't think it would be doing justice to what what we have before us if we did it that way

Yeah, and you know, I want to take a break after this break What I would like to do is I want to talk about why you choose the sermons that you do

I know that you are selective and you also you you choose them based on being not only older but not having in digital form anymore, but also the people you that you choose as Speakers so I want to go into all that after this message.

Hey, I'm Joel. Hey, this is Troy Have you ever thought about how many sermons have never been listened to because they were never recorded because they came out before recordings

On our podcast revive thoughts we take the roughly 1900 years of sermons and try to bring them back to life.

We talked about the history We talked about the setting and every week we have a different speaker deliver these sermons for us to listen to once again so this is your chance to listen to sermons by people like Calvin by people like Spurgeon by people like Knox and maybe some people you've never heard of like Johan Tauler or Alexander white

Let us live and move and have our being and deal with men as if a dying

Risen intercede for Lazarus in his full frightening misery and behind him

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So Troy and Joel, what are we doing here? Oh, that's right. We're talking about Revive thoughts.

So let's revive some thoughts Tell walk us through why you choose the sermons you do

You know even in that that promo we just played you give a little bit of of The history not wanting guys who are you know, we could just go and listen on sermon audio

Wait, I guess that means you're not gonna be repreaching any of mine, huh? man All right, well they were on this show

I I thought maybe you can improve on them because when I preach them they weren't that good the first time That's really good.

Well, it's funny too because we actually get asked a lot like it'll be a very regular question Can you do a sermon by Martin Lloyd -Jones or Leonard Ravenhill and we're kind of like well

One of the rules that we kind of have for the show is we don't do sermons that you can already listen to Because you can already listen to them and you mean listen to them by the person who actually preached them, right?

Exactly because I mean sinners in the hands of an angry God I think has been preached by more people more times everywhere

Like when I had my idea one of the things that I talked over with Colleen is I said, you know We're probably gonna have like a dozen copies of a dozen

Editions of sinners in the hands of an angry God some will be monotone some won't be

But but you're you're targeting people who they themselves in their own voice is not recorded

Exactly because there's no point if some if we can have the original speaker I think the original speaker probably did it best so go listen to him

So we're not gonna touch anybody for the most part. That's that's because you haven't heard my sermons, right?

From the 1940s on we don't touch them. But after that one certain out of audio we go after them Um, we tried to I don't know

I we get asked this question on the on the interviews and I always want to like I wish I had some magical key

I'm like, well if you think of it this way, but we really don't there's not an exact science. There's two degree I there's some practical things like how long is the sermon?

Some of those guys from the 1500s 80 page sermons all run on sentences I try not to do as many of those because I just Don't have the headspace and the time to devote to them

They can I mean there are some of these sermons have taken over five hours to get right So I don't want to I don't want to do that to myself

Other times we just go. Okay, we've done a bunch from the 1800s Let's switch it out and you know do something for the 1600s for a while.

Try to try to get the whole the goal for me would be to try to have a sermon from every continent and pretty as many countries as possible and For me for the show is to have at least one or two sermons from every century

We're gonna always have more from the 1800s and 1700s because that's closer to us But if I can have sermons from the 400s 500 600s and they're good and they're high quality

That's that would be something I'd like to see but I've got it So all I all I have to do is go to Antarctica and preach without it recorded

But someone writes it down your sermon will get in there You won't have any from Antarctica.

Oh, I figured it out I can't wait to do the background. So there was this crazy person What in the world was he doing it in Arctica And sometimes do we get recommended sermons from our listeners we get

Joel has found sermons for us He's got one that we're cooking up right now that I'm excited for when it comes out There is again.

There is sometimes I look at a speaker and I go. This is a great speaker Let me see what sermons they have that are matching. I go cool.

Sometimes it's the opposite These are some great sermons who spoke the sermon sometimes I get sermons like this is a great sermon and then

I look at the person I go well You know, they're not that maybe they're not the world's greatest person, but the sermon is great

And so we're gonna move forward with it and we're just gonna sure flesh that out in the background well, let's let's talk about that because you did an episode where you you put in a caveat before the episode and it was it's something that I in so you want to be a podcaster we talk about how to deal with when you have a guest that You may not agree with and we talk about how to handle things like that Well, you guys did that very well, even though it wasn't a guest you explained.

Hey, look, we don't agree with his theology Here's where we would disagree This is where he may not but the sermon was good

The sermon had an impact on the community and this is what was good about here's what the history Historical setting to it because the reality is

I think as we go back in history We're gonna find less and less people we would say we agree with today because our theology has been developed more and more over time and Guys from the first centuries, especially they didn't have their theology so well -defined as we do today

So there's like a mix of things It's you know, I mean for a great example was I I had to in seminary write a paper on Augustine and his view of the end times

Now many people look at Augustine as someone who is on millennial and You know a lot of what he said is used for our

Millennials and and for the position But guess what? I ended up discovering in the research that he was actually pre -millennial in this sense

He actually believed that that's that thousand -year period was a literal thousand years

He just thought he was in it. And so you go well Who gets to use him then right so much of the

Catholics use him You know, it's any because he he didn't have everything worked out so cleanly that we could go.

Oh, yeah, he's in our camp Or he's not in our camp They were a mess until they worked it out throughout history.

And I think you did an excellent job of going. Okay, here's here's what? We didn't like about him. Here's what we did. So you gave the caution to your audience to go

Hey, don't believe everything this guy says Right. Yeah, and that's I mean, that's something we've had to do on on a few different speakers

There's a lot of different because like you said exactly like once you get far back there you know the theology is just so different than than what we think of and even just the personal cultures and Circumstances that are around these people that lived 400 years ago are not things that we would find acceptable in today's day and age

And so, you know, we don't condone a lot of the lifestyles around certain cultures during that time but the thing that I always

Usually will fall back on to a saying is just God can use imperfect people to do incredible things.

And so just you know, just because The the people aren't perfect doesn't mean that God can't use them to speak to a lot of people to make a big difference

For them. Yeah, we had a sermon by Johan Taller I remember posting it and telling people about it and we got a response a comment came in It was like well, he's not a reformer and I was like,

I know he lived 200 years before the Reformation So obviously it would be hard from the 1300s to be to be agree with Martin Luther He came out before but you know little known fact

Martin Luther read a lot of this guy's sermons was really inspired by him The point though is

I don't I just in my mind I go look my audience is intelligent If you listen to the backstory and you think you know what that guy's not for me or you listen to sermon ago

I don't agree with that. Okay, we don't think you will agree with every single sermon I don't think every single aspect of church history.

I agree with you know, there's lots of things in church history that we go I don't know if I would have done that but I like to put myself in their shoes and I think if they looked at Us and they could see into the future and see us they would go.

Wow. There's a lot of stuff they're doing I don't think I agree with you, right? So I just I really think we should be careful not to think that we're better than people behind us just because we have

Technology and stuff like that. We think oh we are very smart We would never make those decisions like I think that we make a lot of decisions

They would look down on sure and we never want to like one of the one of the facets of our shows

We never want to sugarcoat history or water it down like we want it We want to be honest with our listeners and let them kind of you know, decide for themselves what they think of a person so we'll say like here's all the incredible things that this guy did, but he also, you know executed people by burning him at the stake or They own slaves or something like that so they can see kind of the the the pros and cons or where that person is coming from and again that the cultural stigmas

Around what was going on around that era and for theology. We we tend to take just a very neutral take on it

We try to just let the audience decide for things like themselves We don't want to subscribe to one camp or over another because I think that there's things we can learn about God and see it

From different perspectives, especially historically I think helps to sharpen my faith in a way like I may not agree with that and after listening to a sermon by that I go.

Yeah, this is why I don't agree with it or I go. Oh interesting I wouldn't consider it that way interesting to hear that there's a um a sermon we're working on that will come out soon

From a complete nobody a complete unknown. I didn't even mean to find this sermon I was looking for somebody else's sermon when

I found it But he basically makes this really interesting point where he goes Look like we stand on the shoulders of all these great men that came before us and their words can live in us at like the

Christian faith the things they said basically can live in us today if we understand them and know them and Yet at the same time they're not gonna all agree with each other

In fact, some of them are going to disagree with each other and would have fought they were in the same room But it's still good to know it and it helps us and it helps us to be prepared to answer the questions of today

Which literally this sermon sounds like an advertisement for our show But it wasn't it was just a sermon that this guy was preaching at the time and I was like that's

Really the heart of what we're doing We're not trying to put up a bunch of people that agree with us that say everything the way we say it

We're trying to just teach you the history and let you hear these things and decide them for themselves And that's one of the things too

We'll find that like our listeners when I asked them who their favorite speakers are They're completely all across the board because certain speakers and preachers just meant more to some people than they did to others

Yeah, you know when I was in seminary my My seminary professor. He was the dean of the theology department and yet he was the guy that could teach history

I mean he when he you took a church history class with him it came to life But one of the things because of those two disciplines in areas

He taught I started to notice that he was doing something He would not just talk history, but he would talk

Theology and history so he was he was giving you the history to see how the theology was formed because when you know

It's our theology wasn't formed in a vacuum and I was doing a conference And I ended up inviting him out and what

I wanted him to do I said I would like you to do a history of theology so in other words go through the history and Explain how history affected the theology because it was one of the things

I found he did so well and Put things in the perspective. So you understand that's why they thought this because they were in a time and a culture

That's different than ours And when you understand that you understand what was going on because much of our history Sorry much of our theology it comes out of heresy

I mean, that's where our history the history comes in because when we understand

Why was you know what was going on with Luther and Erasmus and the bondage of the will and the freedom of the will and you start to dig into those books and and you start to know

The battle that those guys had with it. Well that helps to understand why they wrote and how it clarified things in Luther's mind and He ended up taking that seminar that I asked him to do

He ended up developing a full semester class and he told me when I took the class

He said this was because of you. He's like he said this was out of your inspiration He took he created a class that we didn't have at the seminary history of theology and we would spend an entire semester

Going through the history looking at what was the heresy that popped up and then the response to it

That's how we got the Trinity. It was it was a response to heresy and I think that's where what you guys are doing is so good because it

Puts the sermons in that perspective and so you guys have this unique niche of being able to Look at church history

Sermons theology you bring this together into your podcast in a very very unique way

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We are glad to be part of that and it is an enjoyable community and you guys are part of it, too that's really the thing that I've I really enjoy the the fellowship and some of the camaraderie and Discipleship that it goes on within our community.

So let me ask you guys you get a lot of feedback from your audience How does that help motivate you?

What's some of the feedback that you end up hearing? I think the thing that we hear the most which was what we hoped

Secretly we would hear I may or should maybe I should preface it with this When we first told people the idea for this show, we heard a lot of people say

I think that'll have a niche audience Yeah, I think a lot of people said oh, that's a good idea I don't think

I would listen to that but you know Somebody should do it to go for it and we felt we understood where they were coming from But there was just this kind of secret hope that people would listen to these sermons listen to the show and go wow

I don't know. I don't understand exactly how but that sermon from the 1600s is extremely relevant to me today

I don't fully get it but it is and that is actually I would say the number one thing we hear is that people like this is really like This is you guys did a good job on the production and this is so relevant like God use this in my life

Yeah, I'm always I'm constantly blown away. We get so much feedback where like it's

It's not just a historical You know a church history show it's not just educational like the the people are really

Writing in about how it's helping their spiritual walk how they're growing closer to God how these things are are really, you know inspiring them and encouraging them as a believer in today's society and that is

Just an incredible encouragement and a huge reward. Yeah, I actually for myself I think I did like a heart check recently because I was thinking so much of the show like this show is a

Podcast and you get into all these like tips and tricks online do this to grow the show do that to grow the show and I was just singing it as a show as a show as a show

And I feel like in the same week we had like three I mean like multiple emails and messages and Facebook comments and stuff come in that were just like thank you for doing this

I would have not been able to see these sermons without you and they've been helping me a lot It kind of made me reflect on the fact like this is you know

I started this with the intention of it being more than a show Kind of got into the mindset of just making it a show and God was kind like this is a ministry to like this

Is these words are reaching and impacting people today, you know deal with it more like a ministry put it before me

More than just running it as a show with numbers and stuff and it was a good heart check But it happens because people are contacting us and not to mention

We've had many of our sermons read by our listener people who shoot us an email and say hey I hear you're looking for volunteers and we're like, yeah, we are

They'll come in so they care enough about the show to put their own voice and time and effort into it and to help it

Grow we originally started with 10 about 9 episodes and we thought we'll go with 9 and if people are enjoying this that this is reacting well with people

We'll see how far that first season can take us and we had 20 episodes So we had a lot of people come in and volunteer and join up with us during that time

And then the second season we said, okay We'll try to shoot for another 20 episodes and see how things go and we're and we've gone past that I think episode 25 with you know, all of April and in season 2 where yeah

We're more than 40 episodes on another series all together and we're doing we're just kind of cruising along and people are just jumping in Where they can to help out they they

I don't know man It was just something that I feel like we hit a lot of people a need that was right there in front of us

All that people just didn't realize we all had Yeah, and that's the thing. I mean, I think that the it's it's it's not just that it's a niche thing

It's like I've been saying because this is what you the way you guys did it I'm so glad that I didn't do what

I what I wanted to do. I really am because You know what you did is so much better because it's not it's not just about the sermons.

That's the whole thing with it It's it's a history lesson. It's a theology It's the sermon itself and it it really is

Is a you know, like I said when we when you guys won the award, it's it's very novel

There's no one else. I know really doing that the way you're doing it, especially and Yeah, I think that's why so many people love it

You know and you're getting the feedback from folks. You're getting people that are like hey,

I want to see this continue now do the people who are Listening are they giving you sermons like hey check this one out check like, you know, does that happen a lot sometimes?

Yeah, it definitely they we do get the email sometimes or they'll recommend a speaker and they'll say hey

Have you thought about this guy? And I mean, I'll be honest with you I am currently in seminary, but I I don't know.

I did not know most of the speakers Yeah, I'm done. I and we get name recommendations all the time I'm like, we're learning just as much as everyone else, you know making the show

Maybe that's part of it is like every of every episode We're excited to tell everyone because we didn't know any of this stuff either

I mean we have an episode we're about to work on on John Calvin and I feel like the story of John Calvin sounds like It's pretty known when

I said I was writing the script and I sent it to Joel We were both like I didn't know any of this happened to him. This is super interesting

Well, you know, it'd be really neat. I Think for you guys to do I mean one thing that I would I would say is

To do is a shit as a change if you in your show notes were able to put the sermons in there

Because I know you guys kind of edit them and redo them a bit Then people could read along with the sermon in the show notes as they go.

I mean we Every episode we do have the sermon up on our website So if they do want to read along mate, they can it's up there for them to check a look at It's actually thinking of this week

That was I might start putting up some of the original manuscripts so people can just see what a stark contrast it is between what they end up listening to in their ears and what they not the wording like we keep

Intent and the meaning very clear we keep a lot of the phrasing but just how different something from the 1500s looks and they don't even use the same letters as we do like a lot of them put this

F where an S is and So you to go through as you're writing it and constantly replace all these extra assets. There's things like that.

There's Yeah, that's the old. That's the older English. That's why I had a guy who was um, we had this guy who was a 1611

Onlyest like he believed the 1611 was inspired and I'm like, but you don't use the 1611

And he's like, yes, I do So he came back for evening service and I brought my 1611 replica and I said well here this is the 1611

This is what you should be using. You're using the the authorized and so I Took his

Bible and I gave him my 1611 at the end of service. This guy could not get his Bible fast enough This isn't even

English. I'm like, that's the 1611 Yeah, so so you do you have it?

It's in the link is where you have the the notes website Yeah, so there'll be a in the show notes a link to the website.

Okay, I can see that episode and then there's a An expansion that'll show the transcript of the sermon.

Yeah We also put our show notes so you can see everything if you wanted to read along and or read our part and skip over Our voices we understand we have that up there too

The whole everything we do for the episode because we do so much scripting beforehand, it's all up there

So the entire episode in a way is up there Yeah sometimes people want to recall a fact from the history and so they can kind of scrub through the transcript of our history section and Find that fact or just look through that expansion of the of the sermon itself now granted

We don't put the references or sources. So you got to do that yourself because to be honest, I just don't have the time

Take our word for it or don't but we're not gonna you got to figure that one out on your own All right.

Hey listen if since I know you guys have don't listen to this podcast because I know you guys you just don't don't

I'm not regular listeners. You don't know what's gonna come right now, but I think it's time for a game

It's time now to start the Spiritual transition game

So now we get to find out if you really do listen to the rap report or not Well, that's gonna fail

So so let me explain the game for folks who may be listening for the first time the way we play this game is very simple most people

They find it very easy to share the gospel once the conversation is in the spiritual realm

Once you're talking spiritual things but the hardest thing I have found in 30 plus years of evangelism when

Trent and training in evangelism is the fact that people Can't figure out how to get from the natural world to the spiritual world in that discussion to take what's ever being discussed and Bring that into a spiritual discussion

And so what we have done is created a game out of it the spiritual transition game and we're gonna play this now

Where what you're gonna hear is either Troy or Joel are going to give me something

And I'm gonna have to transition from whatever they give me to the gospel Now the way you could play this on your own is in youth group or just as a small group

Bible study is just Throw an idea out there and just turn to a person and say okay take this topic

Go to the just make it a spiritual conversation or go to the gospel with this conversation and just train yourself

It's really not hard to get into evangelism When you're looking at every conversation and saying how can

I transition this and the more you practice this game the easier it is To not pray God Give me an opportunity to share the gospel

But to know that you can turn that conversation one way or another into a gospel conversation

So if they give me something really easy, I'm gonna call them joy. And if not,

I'm gonna call them trolls. So, you know So bring it on all right whichever whichever one of you goes first Well, you guys want to sit and discuss and figure out who you know

Yep, just either a sentence or an object or a thought

Andrew Andrew I want to tell you about this new brand of hot dogs.

I just purchased. I I've been eating Brand a hot dog, but I recently tried brand

B hot dog and they're superior by far. You need to try brand B hot dog Well, they're superior because they're

Hebrew national hot dogs and and they're there for kosher and so they they it's just they're

Obviously because they were blessed by a rabbi that makes You know, there there is a thing where when

I grew up I Believed that the the only hot dog you're allowed to eat is

Hebrew national really Well because it was kosher because I was raising a Jewish home you didn't eat any other hot dog and I remember a time when

I was at One, you know I was at a friend's house and they had hot dogs and their hot dogs didn't taste the same and I came home and I Asked my mother if we could have you know

The this other hot dog brand which now I don't remember and she was like no we don't eat that and I'm like, okay

And I so I had this thing where it was like the only hot dog you eat is Hebrew national Like that is the only hot dog for Jewish people to ever eat and it was the idea that you couldn't have anything else

And I had this thought that like there's something better out there That I'm just I'm just I have to have it

So like when when I could anytime I could try any other hot dog It was like I feel like I'm missing something in life if I don't have these other hot dogs

Everything was like restricted to me other than Hebrew national and I ended up discovering that you know

What Hebrew national actually tasted better than all the other hot dogs? Oh, but I didn't realize that because the thought of having something that I thought

I couldn't have It made it seem like it was gonna taste better and the reality was it didn't wear

I mean, I just ended up in my taste I prefer the Hebrew national but what that really was was this thing within me where it's this idea that if it's something that I can't have

I Feel like it's just going to be better and and really that is what sin does in our life

It tells us that the things we can't have it's gonna it's gonna be so much better than it actually is and what ends up Happening a lot of times when we do things that we know are wrong

It ends up taking us where we don't want to go and it holds us Longer than we want to stay and it always has a picture that everything's gonna be great and yet the realization hits us over and over again that that guilty feeling we have knowing we did something wrong and It's just like that temptation.

Oh, well, there's got to be something better with a hot dog Well, that's exactly what sin tells us our flesh says there's got to be something better Which if you just believe in God like you're gonna be missing out on so much and yet the reality is

What I had to learn in my in my life was I wasn't missing out by going out and doing sin

What I was missing out on was eternal life That's really what I was missing out on and the sin after I got eternal life after I turned and stopped trusting

Myself and my good works and trusted Jesus Christ all of a sudden those things that I thought were gonna give such pleasure

They fell by the wayside and paled in comparison to the glory of knowing I'll be glorified one day and the

Knowledge that my sins are forgiven. And so I go back to the Hebrew National and go that's the better thing

Well, the reality is is that's what sin does to us It tells us there's something better out there and we think that's true and we give up that thought and go for what's true

We have something far better That's it. That is far better than I would I would have come up with on my own for sure

And there's the first time I ever did one on a hot dog, too Yeah, I had no idea.

I was tapping into such a sensitive topic from your childhood. This is bringing it to life again Huh? Well, this is the whole thing with this game is you you know, you want to tap into something you're knowledgeable on some personally

I'm in because people do end up listening to Something that that intrigues them and that's where you just you know, if there's something they they're interested in, you know

That's how this whole game gets played and I have found this is why you know people

Think I'm so good at sharing the gospel and getting into conversations and it's really that I'm not that good

I just know how to play this game really well So let's let's wrap up you guys have have seen your your podcast revive thoughts

Go beyond your your expectation in some ways But any any

Podcaster has expectations and has dreams and has things they want to see with their podcast

What is it you want to see for the future of revive thoughts? I mean now you mean you've already hit the pinnacle of winning the

Christian podcast awards So I don't know what there's left for you. But what is what do you have on the horizons?

Yeah I mean there are different kind of I don't know if you come spin -off shows but we'd love to create some type of a daily devotional show that we could do with because there are people from history like Spurgeon has several

Collections of daily devotionals that are just just sitting there waiting to and you know There's books that people read that include those devotionals

But it's not to be neat to have just you know A little five minute thing that people could listen to as part of their morning routine or something like that so I mean,

I guess I'm Letting our insider knowledge out So, you know if you if you if someone listening wants to create that podcast you guys do that as well

But there's there's a few things that we'd love to kind of branch out And kind of play around with different aspects of church history for our patreon subscribers

We do what we call a history deep dive where we kind of spend just a huge chunk of time like an hour and a half

Just examining and getting to know a specific portion of church history

There's no sermons, but it's just kind of a way to to get a better understanding of what's going on We just had an episode on the

Salem witch trials, which was a lot of fun We oh my gosh, we did so much research and we had a blast kind of summarizing that in a way that uh that hopefully made sense to our listeners, so things like that as well, but uh, yeah,

I mean the the majority of the core show we just want to keep making it and Thankfully, they're like I said, there's 1900 years of history.

So there's no shortage of content. It's just a matter of uh, the work that goes into updating these old manuscripts and and finding uh volunteers to read them and uh,

If if one of your listeners is listening to my voice right now and says hey, that sounds like an awesome project

I'd love to You know volunteer to read a sermon. Um by all means we'd love we would love to Have you on the show as a as a narrator we have kind of a process that Um, we put volunteers through to have a little test recording.

Um, but feel free to email us at revive thoughts at gmail .com Uh, and we'd love to get back to you as soon as possible yeah,

I mean your episode on the Salem witch trials the Well the the revived thoughts edition of it where you talked about it

I you got me where I was like, man, I want to be a patron Um, i'm just in a position where i've actually pulled back all of my personal support that i've given to many ministries

Because we're planting a church and so church plant Takes a lot and so i'm trying to yeah

That that's where the priority is and i've pulled back even from the donations. I give to my own ministry that I work for so um with that that becomes the the importance so i'm like I want to listen to this so um

But you know, maybe you know, I can know some of the guys that are doing it and they can maybe send me an mp3

Well, I appreciate you guys coming on I love your podcast

I love it the way you're doing it I think it's it's great I think it is well deserved in winning the award at one because I do think that last year out of all the the podcasts that were reviewed

Um, it was amazing how that one was just top of the list with with everybody that we that does the the

Voting and we pull in from a lot of different people just asking people throughout the year What podcasts are listening to which ones they think are better than others which ones they they think are really?

You know ones that others should listen to and we were getting a constant consistent message That uh, it really was you and you guys and just thinking

And people love those two and those two are very very different type of podcasts And uh, so those are those are some that everyone should be listening to So I thank you guys for coming on, uh, keep up the good work.

I'm looking forward to Listening to what you guys have coming. You just kept you just kept dropping, you know, no, you know

New revelations here. You didn't drop. Well, you dropped a little bit of some ideas But yeah, you're just said we're liking we're really working on a great episode.

You didn't nothing. We got no exclusives here So sad, you're gonna you're gonna have to tune in to find out.

Yeah Well, thanks for coming on and folks go to uh, whatever podcast app you have

Look up revived thoughts and start listening. In fact, what you really should do Is binge because you're home you're you're not allowed out of the house

Anyway, just download all 40 episodes And start listening listen to all of them.

And uh, so I encourage you to do that Now I could if I could recommend sorry if I could recommend uh, some some ones to start off with I really love our uh,

Our episodes on uh bonhoeffer dietrich bonhoeffer And uh, our hudson taylor ones are great

Those those and we have I think two episodes out with each of those but uh, those are probably my favorite episodes

So if you're looking for a place to start find the dietrich bonhoeffer's or the hudson taylor's those are both really good ones

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