November 22, 2017 Show with Ashley Null on “Reformation Anglicanism: A Vision For Today’s Global Communion”

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I'm so delighted to have back on my program Someone who has been one of my most fascinating guests, especially because the Topic that he has addressed and will address is something that is not frequently heard discussed on evangelical Christian radio.

The subject is Anglicanism and today we are specifically be we're going to be addressing a Reformation Anglicanism a Vision for today's global communion, which is also the title of a book That is in print thanks to our friends at Crossway and I'm speaking specifically of my guest today.

Dr. Ashley null who has his BD and PhD from Cambridge University is MDiv and STM from Yale University and he's an Episcopal minister a speaker a scholar an author of Thomas Cranmer's doctrine of repentance, which is the last Subject we discussed if not the one before that, but it has been quite a while since we've had dr. No on he is also the canon theologian for the Diocese of Western, Kansas the theological advisor for the ACNA Diocese of the Carolinas and the canon theologian to the Anglican Diocese of Egypt having received Fulbright Guggenheim National Endowment for the Humanities and German Research Council Awards and as I said Earlier just a few moments ago.

We are going to be discussing a new book that he contributed to Reformation Anglicanism a vision for today's global communion and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

After a long absence, dr. Ashley null.

Thank You Chris, it's a joy to be back.

And if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com ch r is a r n z e n gmail .com and please give us at least your first name your city and state and Your country of residence if you live outside of the USA please only remain anonymous if the question involves a personal and private matter.

Ashley Null’s Background, Anglican Conversion, and Academic Work

And Before we even go into the main theme, which is your book a reformation Anglicanism I'd like to know something even though you may have said this in one of our previous interviews. It's been such a long time and we have so many new audience members Listening to iron sharpens iron radio that there is a very strong likelihood that many people in my audience are Discovering you for the first time today, but I'd like to hear something about your own upbringing as a child what kind of a religious upbringing you had if any and How the Lord providentially drew you to himself and saved you and then also how you became so highly involved as a reformed Anglican.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that you could.

I.

Grew up. He put his hand over there. I just wanted to put my head over there to let him scratch and it was. It was just a wonderful message about Dr. No, are you still there? Yes. It was just a wonderful message.

Get to know Jesus. Getting saved. I wouldn't have had any idea what he was talking about.

To get to know Jesus better. So tell us more about how you Knew that you were a child of God that you knew that Jesus Christ was your Savior and what eventually drew you back into? Episcopalian ism or Anglican ism.

Oh Oh, I see, but it was a Baptist minister though that had some kind of significant. Oh Yeah, I was a young boy in the In the late 60s. I was born in 62. So I do have some familiarity with the Jesus people.

And you know growing up in the 70s and so on. So was the type of Anglican ism or or Episcopalian ism that you were raised in More biblically faithful than you may commonly see today and and and many of our listeners When they hear the term either Episcopal or Anglican they very often will jump to One of two conclusions they will either think that you are an Oxford movement Romish type of Anglican or Episcopalian That could be barely distinguished from a Roman Catholic or they will think that you are A an apostate or a liberal depending upon who is being told that you are Episcopal or Anglican.

If somebody is a conservative evangelical they may just think that you are a Person sold out to the left wing and that you really don't even take seriously the scriptures, but there is that.

That.

But you are a Bible believing Conservative I'm assuming you might use that term. But you are a historically faithful Anglican as well because I know that you adhere to the 39 articles and you Uphold Thomas Cranmer as one of your heroes of the Reformation.

Being that you are actually to my knowledge one of the foremost living experts on Thomas Cranmer.

And I know that you're too humble to accept my compliment.

But to answer the question that I had what branch of Episcopalian ism were you raised in? I know where you are basically theologically now. What was the the Episcopalian ism or Anglican ism of your youth.

Well, when was it.

And when was it that you realized God had placed a call upon your life to actually be in Episcopalian or Anglican. Minister. Dr. Null. Are you there?

Yes, I have this incredibly irritating habit of pausing.

I.

You can watch the contortions of my face, but obviously on radio the fear is although the transatlantic satellite has gone out.

Well, that's one of the reasons why dr. Sinclair Ferguson Rarely does interviews especially live ones because whenever you even in a casual conversation Are speaking with them. If you're asking him anything serious It usually takes 30 seconds for him to respond because he likes to.

Very seriously consider his words before he speaks. But when was it that you had that. When you realize you had a call to enter into the ministry.

As one does but in the end, you know many other ways. And I want your beauty dawned on me. What a privilege I had. Well some of our.

Non-episcopalian or non-anglican listeners may be wondering about Some of the titles and roles that you have. First of all, what is a canon theologian? Ha ha ha. Yeah, you are. You are serving the role of Thomas Cranmer himself, I guess in some sense as he served King Henry the eighth.

Thomas Cranmer's is a walls like anyone else and creature the six. Not everything in his day but I do think. And one thing that I failed to mention in introducing you because it was not on the crossway bio.

Sketch of you, but you are and have been for the last decade at least a professor in Berlin. If you could tell us something about that.

Is there a denominational or religious affiliation to the university.

Did you just combine ya and nine.

Yeah.

Now when someone thinks of Germany, I'm assuming that Anglicanism isn't the first thing that pops into their head. It hasn't been the first thing that ever popped in my head. How did you?

Providentially wind up there when the role that you are serving being an Anglican and some of these new developments.

I'm assuming involved Thomas Cranmer because when you wrote Thomas Cranmer's doctrine of repentance. Weren't there things uncovered about Cranmer that were not previously widely known.

Well more about that. Yes, definitely. But secondly. And I know that we have discussed this in greater length in previous interviews.

But I think it might be at least in summary form helpful For our listeners to understand who Thomas Cranmer was. I know that he was the Archbishop of Canterbury. He served Under the reign of King Henry the eighth, and of course you will have many Roman Catholics or non Anglicans mocking the English a contribution to the Reformation because they will relegate it to the the lust of a man who merely wanted to get divorced and remarried.

And they will Focus solely typically these these people speaking in ignorance they will focus solely on King Henry the eighth who even Thomas Cranmer did not view as a Regenerant person until the time of his death as if I'm remembering correctly.

But if you could tell us something in summary about Thomas Cranmer and his contribution to the Reformation including the 39 articles of religion.

You've given me a 30-minute assignment in three minutes.

Well, in fact if you if you could. If you could if you could start that because I don't want to interrupt you mid-sentence if you could start it when we return from our first break. So we're gonna go we're gonna go to our first station break right now.

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If you just tuned us in as dr. Ashley null He is an Episcopal minister speaker scholar author of Thomas Cranmer's doctrine of repentance. And today we are discussing a new book that he has contributed to Reformation Anglicanism a vision for today's global communion, which is a book published by Crossway involving a number of Contributing authors.

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And dr. Null right before the break I was asking you to give us a summary of who Thomas Cranmer was because There is a very strong likelihood that many non Anglicans and non Episcopalians listening Do not know of him and it is a tragedy That those who love the the Reformation and consider themselves heir of the heirs of the Reformation Would be ignorant of this great figure.

And one of the reasons dr Null that I asked you to give a summary of him is because I think it is key to understanding where you are in your Anglican faith and those who would be Your brethren in a similar understanding of Not only biblical biblical theology, but Anglican theology because as you would I'm sure readily agree that today it seems that very few Anglicans and Episcopalians at least comparatively would mirror Thomas Cranmer in his theology and Interpretations of the scriptures.

But going back to Cranmer he was other than that brief period when he out of fear for his life.

Recanted his Protestant beliefs and and returned to Rome and then Would later recant his recantation and while being burned alive or before being burned alive requested that his hand that signed the recantation be burned first.

But he spent most of his time as the Archbishop of Canterbury as a Protestant correct as a Reformational Christian.

That was a lot that was in my view by the way that I was saying. You were clear that it wasn't your view.

Right, right, right. Yeah, that's beautiful.

And there's four parts that we're gonna have to deal with to put Henry appropriately in this context. But I'll pause after each one if you have a specific question on that part, but there'll still be others coming.

Is that okay?

That's completely fine. Okay, great.

You have to understand Henry VIII. You have to understand what was Spiritually happening in England in the 15th. What was happening Academically on the continent in the 15th and 16th century. Then you have to understand Henry's own to enable you as if he was a bit he not only you mean in my daily life.

Yeah, yes.

No, you could you could continue the roses. How did they begin the time though that this is going on in the politic moon humanism based out? We've got a sure in the early rhetoric. Very familiar. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me because I know that he was.

Declared to be defender of the faith in regard to Roman Catholicism. That is.

He was he was a no. I did not know that off the top of my head.

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And we are discussing a book that he contributed to Titled Reformation Anglicanism a vision for today's global communion and this is a book that was. That involves a number of authors. We have Michael Nasir Ali.

We have John W Yates the third. We have Michael Jensen we have Ben Quashie and I may be mispronouncing that name and as far as Dr. Ashley Null's contribution. He wrote the chapter on the power of unconditional love in the Anglican Reformation.

He wrote the chapter on Sola Gratia, which is salvation by grace alone. He wrote the he co-wrote or co-authored the chapter on a manifesto for Reformation Anglicanism with John W Yates the third. So if you'd like to join us with a question on this subject our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com and before the break as you may recall, dr. No, we were Talking about or you were talking about a similarity that Henry the eighth had with Fred McMurray. They both had three sons.

That's the last. That's the last thing you said or you didn't say the Fred McMurray part. But you said that Henry the eighth had three sons and if you want to pick up where we left off there.

Thomas Cranmer, Henry VIII, and the English Reformation

15th century English spirituality emphasized the supernatural power of Henry become gave him permission to marry him. Yes. I do remember you saying it's hard to forget that one I mentioned that his lands include.

I don't think you mentioned that yet. Yeah, and that yeah, you haven't mentioned that yet until now. Yeah. So. Obviously not. But do you think he wants to insult Henry and get Henry mad?

He would most likely be fearful of that as well.

Which infuriates Henry and so Henry Henry in 1532 sends a Cambridge scholar Who like himself is a liberal Catholic and Erasmus humanist? Scripture is more size logic. Is that what Erasmus said?

Pursuing godliness. Pursuing godliness.

Right through persuading rhetoric, right. The most important the most. Cop. The most popular book on rhetoric in the first half of the 16th century was by Erasmus. But guess who was the author of the second most popular book on rhetoric would have been Melanchthon.