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Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona, this is The Dividing Line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us, yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence.
Our host is Dr. James White, director of Alpha Omega Ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation. If you'd like to talk with Dr. White, call now at 602 -973 -4602 or toll-free across the United States.
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Good afternoon. Welcome to The Dividing Line, whatever time it is, wherever it is you are. We're 46 in the greater London, England. I'm not going to get into all the pick on the Irish that's with me. I would like to thank the kind gentleman whose name I did not catch.
You caught everything else, though.
There on American Airlines and who, well, it's on a piece of paper and it's taped to my desk. Someone's got to put that number for how long now? How many years have I been saying that same number and I can't remember it now?
Well, I'm just going to blame it on the antibiotics. There it is. I get to meet Jason and then I put out, as he does, on the telephone, which I had been mispronouncing, lacking the Hendon, the Hendon on Brazier.
In fact, someone suggested, you're not going to appreciate this, but someone from an island off the coast was a very bad man who suggested that. Anyway, we went into Hendon and got some great pictures of spitfires and hurricanes and V -17s and all sorts of wonderful fun stuff that we had to do there.
Somehow I managed to not pass anybody else because I didn't know anything about it yet. One thing for me, and I had mentioned this, well, I don't know, but I did mention this on the blog. Now that I think about it, I was going to be speaking to Islam and atheists, and that was going to be the long day of preaching.
They get to go. In God's providence, I did not start, and I didn't really even realize it until I got on the train and was traveling back out toward Enfield and tell the story, especially when you've got it right down there.
I did not know until Roger told me that it also is the home of Kodak of Lungs Out. Thank you. I should describe you and our Scots to be very superior to their British friends. When you first get here on Corners, you automatically flinch when you see cars coming because I've heard all about how terrible the traffic in London is.
I must admit, tonight on the M25, something similar to the experience that I had when I was in 10 minutes before we were in the countryside, and I have been commenting over and over again ever since then.
More sheep up in Scotland than I saw cars. Musical influences. They have these wonderful things called coughing things. They have what we sometimes call a down in London. You can simply walk in to the left.
There's like a magnet that drew me, and you could just write up to it. You could lean over and describe the feeling. This is the authorized version, not the King James version. Here you have the scripts in the world, and I'm awful glad they hadn't started it before I got there and had an opportunity to look at it.
So this is von Tischendorf. He would come by, and you've seen this before, because he was at the Papal in 1993.
No, I cannot hear you. I'm sorry. You can't hear me? Oh, now I can hear you, yes. Oh, okay. I was going to say, I can actually tell them exactly how many thousands of miles away. I can tell them exactly what people were saying.
Well, no one said what they said up in Denver, because there wasn't something displayed up until it was sort of down below, but it wasn't.
Okay, well, I can do it in a British accent. No, I can't do a British accent, but in Denver, we literally had people kind of gathering around James as he's staring at these things, and then suddenly they realize, and they turn to me, and they go, Is he reading that?
He's reading that. So imagine that with British accents all around, and I'm sure that's exactly what happened.
Well, they came up while I was looking at it, and I engaged them in conversation, and I must confess, one of them hit me on the back and said, You're like a kid in a crib that's untold value, just in that there weren't that many people in there.
It was a good time to be there. And so we went into the room, and did you get the feeling he wasn't quite certain what we were even talking about? Yeah, there was obviously not something there, and a very beautiful building.
We looked around at things, and then we took a short little drive, and if you've not been to London, Wilderfield, and that makes it the Metropolitan, and he started taking me around, and he was using Dr. Peter Manley's Evidences in the British Museum, and an excellent book, taking me around and showing me all these tremendous ancient, tied into biblical, you can find the British Museum, using all sorts of pictures, and I was wondering why in the world I would have an interest in that.
You know my history in the LDS Scripture. I was starting to feel really tired for some reason. Again, at this point, maybe wearing the wrong shoes or something, but the Egyptian Book of the Dead, and here is the Egyptian Book of the Dead, and we know that what Joseph Smith utilized, I had, I'll be putting on the, put them at about, a good bit larger than I could, no question, from the same time period, and contained the exact, the figures, by Mormon leaders, and I was able to get, after the Book of the Dead, one in three being mummified, just all sorts of, at that point, I completely, and by the way, for those of you, British Museum by Peter Masters, and I don't know if this is available, do you think it's available on Amazon, London cabs are straight into the back of one, how much, how very roomy they were, while my host, on my own, is going to be getting sick.
When we take a break, we're going to take a break and be right back.
Such a rarity today, Mr.
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Now the pilgrim's progress is not an easy way. It's a journey to the sun day by day. It's a walk of grace.
But I don't know, I'm a little bit far away today.
That just keeps getting shorter and shorter, I think.
It's like something's eaten away at it or something, I don't know. That's right. Now, one of the most famous things, they know, did you know that, Rich? I did not know that. You did not know that. That is big news to me.
I think we need to let Mike know that he has almost a cult following in England. Do they know about that? Everyone wants to steel drum Bahamas vacation in Alaska. Alaska. It's wonderful, it's great. But anyway, do we have any phone calls?
Not at this point. No one wants to talk to me.
I think they're really terrified of the British accent that you'll whip out on them. I don't know.
Well, I've been just talking like everyone else talks over here. When you're in London, do as you think.
There is that, there is that.
It is a little bit different than the Dick Van Dyke one, isn't it?
Yeah, I would say, what did he use, like a Cockney accent or something like that? It is a Cockney accent. That was from that show. Yes. And then a British accent. And you couldn't understand a word the man was saying.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I understood what they were, what my friends were saying. At least one out of three. One out of three. There was one man, past the gym, one red light. But others, he'd say a sentence and just smile and nod my head and go.
Other than that, I did, except for the people in the trains. And, of course, you can't understand them in America, for that matter. That's true. So, I'm sure the phone calls are just about to come flooding in.
Well, I will tell you that I am very excited about the picture that you've taken. You sent me a small representative sample of it. It looks pretty good, doesn't it? Yes, it looks awesome. And as we're having that particular tract redone and redesigned, that is going to come in very handy.
I really look forward to seeing that in a four-color process glossy tract. I will tell you that we're currently out of that tract, and it's something we're really missing this week in Mesa.
Yes, people in Mesa.
Something to that effect, we've had a couple of comments on that scale of things. It is interesting that the fellows we've run into every now and then up in Salt Lake City, the King James Only folks, have shown up again.
Not nearly as many of them, but a couple of them, the ones that were out last year. It's interesting the commentary that they've had. We had one fellow that is known as Rusty in the channel. He came out last night, and as he was walking from his car down to meet me down on Corner 1, he had to stop across the street.
The guys were over there, and they tried to talk to him. He engaged them for a little bit, and somehow along the line, the fact that he goes to Phoenix Reformed Baptist came out, and oh my goodness, they went ballistic.
You're one of those white guys, huh?
He doesn't believe the Bible. What was that?
Rusty is a bit on the pale side. Well, it was very quickly turned into the James White doesn't believe the Bible and all that other good stuff, and he needs to preach from a King James. Of course, it never ever enters into their thinking when we reply to the fact that if we don't believe the King James, why are we out here using them?
I pull a King James Bible out of my pocket because I want to witness to Mormons because they only accept the King James, and yet this man is standing in front of a Mormon temple with a giant sign berating anyone who doesn't believe the King James or use the King James, and it's kind of like, hello?
Well, it's always been, well, hello with those folks.
It's an early Easter pageant, early in the year. The weather's been a little bit of a factor last night. A lot of wind, and it was chilly. I will give the Mormon folk one major piece of credit, and that is they are a resilient people.
If they decide that they're going to go to this thing on a particular night, there's nothing going to stop them, and they go. So the crowds have been a real good size. I'd say everything's pretty much been in what we've normally seen as it gradually grows every year in the way of size.
Saturday morning, and that, of course, is assuming that I make all my flights and nothing's delayed and actually avoid getting a chance to go out to Mesa. We'll see. I may not be able to be out. Then again, if I'm causing disappointment on the part of some of our opponents, that doesn't bother me in the slightest bit.
It's real clear they miss you, man. They really do. They really miss me. Well, you know what? I've really missed them, too. Anyway, you know, scheduling has just been something here and gone, and have been absolute angels.
That doesn't mean angles as in Anglo-Saxons. Let's leave that for me. And I made it through. We went into the afternoon using my vision of the eternal law of progression. I assure you it's going to be the end of that.
And I felt very badly, very, very badly, because I didn't address Islam. I didn't address atheism. I didn't really fully address Roman Catholicism. And there were people. I did not say there was someone there who had traveled from Germany.
And as a reminder to thank you for ministering and that he was being surprised by this. And, you know, when you think about it, I've debated open theists, and God was not surprised. We had to call him.
I'm not sure if that really did me any good, but anyway. And began them. Could not do so. And he wouldn't. You all know what I've had, this kind of cough that is just gut-wrenching. You can't sleep for very long.
And so it's difficult. And we're going to be visiting Glasgow, Inverness, and Edinburgh. Once again, that's something I could never have done. Tuesday morning. Let me tell you. And went about another 20 hours.
Bodily weakness. You've been using a name there. Anisland. Anisland. Anisland. Exactly. That's where Jason met me. And tonight we were in. And so I've continued my speaking. And I think it's getting a little late today by jet.
We took an air. And by the way, I do need to mention this. And I'm going to take our phone calls. I don't think you realized this either, Pastor Roger. But Inverness is right there at Loch Ness. And when we found out that Loch Ness was 15 minutes away, we went out for a drive.
And I have some pictures of Loch Ness. Now, I think I might have seen something. Didn't you see that one little thing? You got a picture of me pointing, didn't you? Yes, indeed. And you just never know.
Maybe once I really enhance those pictures, maybe we'll finally have something there. And had just a wonderful time amongst the brethren up there for a little while until we got to them. That may be exactly what I saw in Loch Ness.
That would be very, very difficult to do. And I'll be posting. No, he's on the ball. The man's just back. I didn't find him. Sorry. Well, thank you, Marie. I don't believe I would come over here and rent a vehicle.
And that in and of itself has been somewhat of an education. It is interesting, pavement markings. When they travel all over, I somehow managed to survive. Yeah, we have some money. And you're not going to get money today.
That's something that my British brethren here sitting across from me will very much appreciate. They are not Europeans. They're not called Europeans. And, in fact, they're correct. And that was one of the very things I was talking with Roger about when he picked me up at the airport, recognition of at least offending minority groups at the missions can be offended.
Minority groups cannot be offended at all. I've mentioned this a number of times as I have been speaking over the past couple of days. And, certainly, while the major with nominal, to me it's been a tremendous of the Lord in, once again, of a law that would be very problematic, the proclamation of the gospel at all, and that we need to remember our brothers.
But also due to the fact that I'm sitting in Ruth and going up to Scotland, the same thing is there. You just truly have to wonder. Such light, and then to seek to walk away from that light. You cannot do that lightly.
God brings judgment upon the people who does that. And I've been talking with my British friends. They've been talking about how things happen in their society are downright self-destructive. I believe, am I not correct, you cannot even fly your flag any longer.
Patriotism is out. It's just amazing. Well, I can hear the music in the background now, so I need to be running. And I need to be getting some sleep because I fly back home tomorrow, but I won't get there until the day after.
So I appreciate everyone listening to The Dividing Line today. And, Lord willing, next week Tuesday at our normal time, 11 a .m. Mountain Standard Time, we will be again. Thanks for listening. God bless.
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