July 5, 2019 Show with Mostyn Roberts on “Francis Shaeffer”

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He is an author and a minister at the Welland Evangelical Church in Hartfordshire United Kingdom.

And he is going to be discussing Francis Schaeffer perhaps one of the greatest

Christian minds of the 20th century and Also the topic of a bite -sized

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Mostyn Roberts.

Thank you.

Great and once again for those of our listeners who missed your last two interviews which were on a

Different subject they were on the subject of the life and legacy of Roger Williams

which is the subject of your latest book, but For those of our listeners who missed

those interviews.

Why don't you tell them about Welland Evangelical Church in Hartfordshire United Kingdom?

What I have been the pastor at Welland Evangelical Church

local

church is reformed and it's big.

We we have a slightly Unusual

trust

deed in

and

that

website

is Welland

evangelical org

.uk.

That's w e l w y n Dash evangelical org

.uk and we hope to repeat that Again during the program especially towards the end.

Well.

You seem to have a fascination.

Even though you are a Brit you seem to have a fascination with the

Christian Church in America.

The.

Latest book that you've written on Roger Williams, although he was a native to

Britain.

He was an immigrant here to the United States.

He is still most well known I believe for the impact that he had on the church Here in the

United States of America back.

Then.

It was just simply America and now we have a

Beloved American Christian hero in fact a hero beloved by people

spanning a denominational and theological lines.

Francis Schaeffer.

Yeah, and if you could tell us how you came to discover Francis Schaeffer and then tell us something

About his own life that you are aware of in regard to his own salvation testimony.

What kind of religious atmosphere he was raised in and how he how he came to?

Embrace Christ by God's sovereign grace and also how he came to embrace reform theology.

Both cases.

I'll

explain

you

picture

in 1975

a 19

-year

aren't

they

all.

But I was

whatever

and I

even

had

posters

on my

wall

upside

down.

I think now

that

that's

how I thought it's.

Schaeffer was instrumental in my

a.

Oh, I was just gonna ask

you if

you could explain in a little bit more detail.

What LaBrie is and was of course?

Yeah.

Had

nothing

to do

with the

manufacture

of

cheese,

I

guess.

55 it's

been

going

it's been

going 681.

I first

went

when

you had adopted.

Francis Schaeffer as a sort of mentor.

Did you as I have heard some others did in those days begin to Dress

like him and wear a haircut hairstyle and beard and pipe and

perhaps Birkenstock shoes, I think and or lederhosen or whatever.

No, I never.

Well,

I'm

gonna give our

email address right

away here in case

anybody would like

to join us on

the air with a question.

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Now, let's move on to the man himself Francis Schaeffer.

What do you know about his personal life experience in regard to what kind of faith he was raised in if

any?

Yeah.

Well, he was he was born of German immigrant stock in in Germantown,

it's nice.

I Don't know how far that it was from he.

Not very far.

No.

Not very far at all.

Not very far.

So he Had no spiritual

input.

It's

what

they

they

job.

He only had

really too much

drink.

Music Was

then given.

So

he

went

home.

He found that

he began

wondering.

She

read the

Bible and.

And so he began to seem to connect you of the Bible

with these.

You really had answers.

Real answers.

Without the religion.

I had heard preachers.

Yeah.

So

he was.

That

was how he

was

introduced

to time in the six mother people with him.

So immediately he was doing what a good Christian disciple does he take other people hear the gospel?

So that really was.

Can you tell us something more about Anthony Zoli.

I have never heard that name before I.

Haven't either.

The only interesting thing is this that

I know

is

that it

was

Anthony's

and so

tell us

now.

How.

As far as you know, how much?

Information that you have in regard to His coming to the Reformed faith specifically.

Um.

Well, he's about 1930 31.

He's about 18.

He's determined now.

He wants to go to the ministry.

His parents are

against

it and

his

father says dad.

Give me a moment I go downstairs in which

you would never advise anyone else.

He tossed it

its tails.

Okay, Lord, please help me again.

It's head three times

three times.

He talks to the court.

He said he'd never advised anyone else to do that, but it was for him.

And so he said that.

Um,

he left

wetlands.

He

liked

Jay

Gresham

H in

his

manager.

No, the Karl MacIntyre was the Bible Bible Presbyterian Church.

That's why the Bible president.

They came into the Bible a more fundamentalist group than the OPC.

That's right.

They came at the bar president.

And in fact, there's also issues of pre -millennialism as well.

Abstinence from alcohol would be another land.

That's right.

That's very much of those that he

did I think.

And

though

he then he

then went

into

three

Slovenia for

found under

the

device.

Yes,

we must.

Yeah, I heard that there was some rhetoric back then.

Yeah in the early days of the Bible Presbyterian Church were such slogans as kill a commie for Christ and

things like that.

Well, you think me a MacIntyre actually a cute call.

I mean MacIntyre party called Schaefer a communist at one point.

Wow.

And what happened was

when

they

when they eventually

they decided to

come we

do

have

a question that I will have you answer when.

We return from our first break.

Okay.

Actually, well she begins with an answer to something that you were puzzled about earlier.

BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Says you were right.

Hampton bit.

Hampton Sydney College is in Virginia in the city of Hampton Sydney.

And it is the oldest private chartered college in the southern United States.

Okay, right.

Thank you and.

Currently operated by the PC USA Presbyterian Church in the United States of America.

Okay, and.

She also BB also asks What do you

believe Francis Schaefer's greatest impact upon the body of Christ has

been.

And of course That is going to be something that you will clearly reveal piecemeal

throughout the remainder of the The interview, but you could answer that at any length

you wish to when we come back.

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Now Do you want to wait to answer BB's question because it is sort of

a a huge Question that really is is for the the climax

of the program.

But that's up to you.

Yeah.

Yeah, I could.

Wait, I mean I I would I would just.

Perhaps if I just fly something here

as a pot

in other words a

real about only in

the created

Order

created

world.

With that

when

reading

he

begins

by

saying

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is

the

freedom

is the

freedom to say.

Oh, yeah, I mean he was obviously George Orwell and I don't mean this in a religious sense, but he was a prophet.

That's for sure because yeah, I mean we are being told today that somebody Must

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in spite of any scientific and Biological and physiological evidence that we have in front of us.

Yeah, that's right.

And I think I mean what was a

member that

actually yeah Christianity is not just

a Christianity is actually about I

think those we

have Arnie in

Perry County,

Pennsylvania.

Who asks, can you repeat where Francis Schaefer was born in Pennsylvania?

I missed it and I would like to know if there are any kind of museums or anything that one can visit.

That pays honor and tribute to this great figure from my state of Pennsylvania.

Well,

my my

information is

that

he was

born

covered in 19

1912.

Thankfully was January

1912.

But I German German town is only about two hours from where I'm

sitting.

It's near.

It's a neighborhood of Philadelphia.

It's a suburb of Philadelphia.

Well, thank you.

Anything.

I don't know anything about museums I'm afraid I doubt it very much if there is a museum to them, but they may well be something there.

Well, thank you Arnie.

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Well now when Francis Schaefer you we we reached a point where

he Became a Calvinist, but there was no clear detail of when the lights of

how specifically the light switch went on in that area but

Perhaps you could let us know.

What were the things that troubled?

Francis Schaefer the most and how did those those concerns begin to erupt in

him in regard to?

Mainstream evangelicalism.

I know that he was not Thrilled with a lot of what was going on in our midst.

He I think was one of the first to really

identify that a lot of Modern evangelicalism was lip service giving lip

service to God and there was not a lot of actual Transformation in the lives of people nor an

impact.

Yeah.

On the secular society from the church, but if you could let us know something about that.

Yeah, I think he didn't.

One of the things about Schaefer is you realize he didn't actually start a great

revolutionary.

He he really he really came to the

children to remain.

This was the

great

phrase that they

had to try to.

But actually.

Right the Karl Barth is known perhaps as the father or grandfather of

neo -orthodoxy.

Precisely neo -orthodox and.

That was ironically a response to liberalism.

Yeah, but then included nonetheless.

Liberal ideas into its theology and philosophy.

Well, I mean people.

Yes.

I mean, isn't it?

Isn't it wonderful?

I

hope

it

sounds

clever,

but

actually

they

began

they

start real problem.

They're

just getting

before we go

to our

midway

break.

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going to

read

a

question.

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Chris was Francis Schaefer Encouraged to stay in Europe by his church, or did he stay

on his own initiatives because this is where God led him.

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Chrisarnsen at gmail .com and let me read again the question from Grady in

Asheboro, North Carolina.

Was Francis Schaeffer encouraged to stay in Europe by his church or did he stay on his own?

Initiatives because this is where God led him.

Well, I mean he I just he in.

1947 he went as a joint envoy as it were of the

International Board and

also the

ACC and he went represented them both.

He came back.

But in 1948 was the independent board without the ACC

which decided to send him over but at all this time he was still.

He decided to send him back and They wanted him drank

from the things that remain in other words to be a missionary in

Europe.

Nomination.

So they went over.

They they happened in

the ensuing years were tensions

interior in church

eventually and

had

left

independent

Schaeffer

a Went.

They stayed anyway.

Because they were very convinced in the early 19

as they

stayed in Switzerland links

and also the and and

they decided to

well.

Thank you, Grady.

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Thanks for the question.

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But Sterling sent in this question since Francis Schaeffer spent time in Switzerland, do you know

if If and what impact Cornelius Vantill

had on him.

Yeah, I didn't know Cornelius Vantill was from Switzerland or because he was on the faculty at Westminster.

Theological so yeah, the connection with Bronto was not to do.

Yeah.

Sympathetically, but but it was

that the Cornelius Vantill was

a was a tutor professor or later in

life Cornelius apologetics.

That Schaeffer was more evidentialist or something.

Yes.

He felt that he was more evidential or at least inconsistent and

I mean I'm so there was a

bit of

it.

So yes, but anything about

a part of his

main ideas on a part.

He wrote in response to a review of a book called a Christian apologetics by they come

out his own views

and yet he's living autonomous and Against

God

48 even before he

debates about

presupposition.

Evidentialist

a

presuppositional

listening consist apologetics only has

value in so far as it is related to evangelism.

In this same direction, and while I

believe others may

be called to

do that

He fur you see was fundamentally

people

get the idea

that he was a philosopher and he certainly

could engage with philosophy.

He could certainly

test it in.

Well, thank you

Sterling and.

Make sure you give me your your full mailing address because you've also won a free copy of the bite -sized Biography

on Francis Schaeffer by my guest today Austin Roberts published by evangelical press and we look forward

to getting that out to you.

We have Mary and Cork Ireland who asks is it true? That during

a day when the Catholic Church had a stronghold in the pro -life movement Francis

Schaeffer was an early voice amongst Protestants decrying infanticide in the United

States.

Yes, certainly.

He is very well known.

I never heard

him called

Chuck

before.

Is that he ever is not?

Okay, well, I might be Chuck.

I just never heard him called Chuck Dr. Coop.

Yeah, I met dr. Coop actually at 10th Presbyterian Church many years ago at the Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology.

But sorry interrupted.

Well that that.

That was that friendship began very 955 when when

he was ill.

I'm on Schaeffer

most and I think

Schaeffer to what he said was they're not allies.

He said an ally isn't basis

for

taking other words.

Robocats even Mormons, you know people who would.

Yeah, I mean

even today.

I mean

Christians are.

You know, we we would stand with them on some of those issues them.

Well, thank you, Mary in Cork, Ireland.

And we know that you have a relative in the United States who will send that book out to you.

So thank you very much for contributing Your question.

In fact right before the show began off the air.

My guest must and Roberts was Interested in the fact that we seem to draw listeners in Ireland

to this program.

Let's see we have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York Who asked

outside of the United States in Switzerland and The United Kingdom how

big of an impact that you are aware of?

Did Francis Schaeffer have on the church?

Globally thing question.

He certainly had far more impact even than in

the UK

light and limited by the.

I.

Think also.

He he.

Because he was reformed.

But he was rather different from Lloyd Jones.

It was a very different emphasis from the Lloyd Jones preached at one of his daughter's weddings in 19.

Christopher in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York and Christopher asks

What is the reason that Francis Schaeffer's

son Frankie Gave for initially leaving his father's faith and then

embracing more recently in history atheism.

Yeah, yeah, Frankie Schaeffer was for a while in Eastern Orthodox.

Frankie Schaeffer.

Yeah, Frankie Schaeffer was the moving spirit behind the Schaeffer films, of course.

How should we then live and.

Um, sadly, I Have read his books crazy for

God and I know that he did.

If you read you need to read those books, but I suggest if you're interested enough,

I think he just

found he

believe or not.

He.

Contacted me not all that long ago wanting me to interview him on His family and his

upbringing and I did not feel comfortable doing that because I think he was already an atheist at that time.

Yeah.

His books are very critical of his parents, which is very sad.

It is a sad thing to criticize your parents in in books.

I feel well.

I would love to have a debate with him not personally but.

Arrange a debate.

Frankie if you're listening.

If you want to have a debate on my show, I'd be open to that.

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Welcome back, and this is the final segment of our interview today.

With Mostyn Roberts on the life and legacy of Francis Schaeffer.

Who is the theme of one of Evangelical Press' bite -sized biographies.

That was written by Mostyn Roberts on Francis Schaeffer.

If you have a question, send it in immediately because we're rapidly running out of time.

It's chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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And by the way, mark your calendars for this Monday.

Michael Haken, the renowned Baptist historian Is returning to Iron Trepans Iron Radio

to discuss Baptists and persecution.

So you don't want to miss that fascinating interview.

I'm sure it will be fascinating.

With Dr. Michael Haken this Monday.

But Mostyn Roberts, I want to make sure that you say.

Before we go into any listener question I want you to say what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners.

Regarding the life and legacy of this great man of God, Francis Schaeffer.

There's just a period which I think is very important.

It's just leading up to the Brea.

In 1951, when they were settling into.

He told his wife to put this through

again.

So he was

quite scared of all this was going.

But eventually, he came through.

About a two -month critical phase at the beginning.

And from that

period,

he

developed an

ability To answer their questions without himself.

And a tremendous nature of attitude.

So then, of course,

the story

of leading up to the Brea.

Then the

amazing

theory to

read

about it

in

Eid

Is

never

charismatic.

We have a

listener in

Lyndonhurst, Long

Island,

New York.

CJ, who says What was it about Francis Schaeffer That enabled him to hold

firmly to the doctrines of Reformed theology And yet, be appealing to those outside

of that camp of theology.

For instance, I can remember vividly Pat Robertson on the 700 Club Interviewing him at

quite great length.

What was it about this man Where he could balance his firmed convictions on Calvinism And

yet, draw people from different spheres of theology Into an interest

of his teaching?

Well, you're absolutely right.

He held to the Westminster Confession.

He started an international Presbyterian church.

He lectured.

I've listened to some tapes that he did on the Westminster Man.

But he also had his finger very firmly on.

First of all, his own personality.

He had a kind of a very inquiring intellectual mind.

He had come to faith at the age of 17 Realizing the

philosophy of providing the answers.

And that kind

of faith He was able

And yet, be able to communicate to them The message of the Bible.

He saw himself very much, if I can say this.

He's your creator as well as my creator.

You're in his image.

You're living inconsistently.

There will be a judgment.

Create God of creation To lead people.

The Creator

God Was the key to his evangelism.

He could see where He

would say, you're

sanctified.

There's no area of life Be it art.

It was that sort of idea The creation of God Creator God

That enabled him to communicate with people.

Well, we are out of time.

And I want to make sure our listeners remember The website for the Welland Evangelical Church In the United

Kingdom Where Mostyn Roberts serves as minister.

It's welland -evangelical .org .uk.

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We want to thank you so much, Mostyn Roberts For being our guest today.

I look forward to your many returns as our guest.

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Especially those who took the time to write in questions.

I hope you all have a safe and happy and blessed weekend.

And especially a God -honoring Lord's Day.

And I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives That Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior Than you

are a sinner.