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Good morning, all right everybody, boom bop pal.
Welcome back to the Point Taken Podcast.
It's the only podcast where we make and take spiritual and biblical questions and chat it up.
My name is Hunter, the host of this podcast.
With me as always is my faithful friend and pastor, Josiah Shipp.
That's me.
Oh man, happy to have you back, man.
Dude, she did it.
Oh yes.
She said chat it up.
The first time, dude.
She sure did.
I had no warning last week.
I'm not hearing pastor.
Yeah, well I'll talk louder.
What's up, everybody?
Did I unplug it?
I probably did.
He might be totally unplugged.
Whatever it is, I don't want this edited out.
I want this.
Pastor Josiah Shippley.
What up, everybody?
What up?
Dude, she did it this time.
And she actually did do it this time.
I mean, it's great.
Good job.
Thank you.
It didn't take long.
No one warned me last time, so I was just kinda here.
If you had been a faithful listener of the podcast, continue, Hunter.
And joining us once again, Miss Elena.
Hi.
That was it?
Yeah, well, that's not it.
We must talk about her middle name.
Yeah, let's go ahead and get into that, pastor, because last week, we were stressing very hard about trying
to figure out her middle name, and she was playing this whole game about it, and not telling us,
and everything we said was wrong, and what did you find out, pastor?
Yeah, no problem.
I found that out that night with some help.
Everyone may remember, one of our primary guesses was Sherry.
In fact, that we guessed the same one, admittedly,.
Maybe 12 times, at least.
Because I would say it, and then Dalton would say it, and then -.
Sharon?
Sherry?
Yeah.
Have we tried Sherry?
How do you spell Sherry?
Now, the name is not Sherry.
Sherry.
Roll that back one more time.
Double -click the left side of your screen.
It backs it up 10 seconds, and you will hear that again.
Again, not Sherry, but Sherry.
How would you spell Sherry?
How would you like to let me finish this?
How does Cher spell it, like C -H -E -R?
I was about to be mean, I couldn't do it, because I love her so much, I couldn't even mean.
Okay, spelled S -H -E -R -E -E.
Now.
Chim, chim, chim, Sherry.
And she said we were wrong.
Is she correct?
No.
By the letter of a law, yes, but by the spirit of a law, no, she's not correct.
She's not.
Yeah, we -.
She couldn't expect us to go all.
Pepe Le Pew.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like we guessed the American Sherry, and she said, no, say it French, Sherry.
What is that one scene in Harry Potter where she's correcting,
Hermione, is that her name, is correcting someone how to
It's not Leviosa.
It's Leviosa.
That's you, not Sherry, Sherry.
I think I should know if my middle name is being said correctly.
I think you should know that too, but unfortunately.
Okay, when you say you had a little help,.
What do you mean by that?
There were like eight of us trying to think of it in the sanctuary right before Bible study, right after Bible study.
I specifically told Jake, my brother, not to say anything.
Okay, well -.
Oh, you just got him in trouble.
Well, hold on, hold on.
If you told him, excuse me, not to say anything,.
Then yes, he -.
No, I said, do not tell them my middle name.
He did not do that.
Okay, then he's clear.
Letter of a law, not spirit of a law.
Two can play that game, but he did not do that.
All right, so Pastor, you said that you had something that you wanted to share with us today.
He did not, he did not.
I do, I do, I do.
I love you.
Love you too.
I wasn't gonna stay mean to you.
Okay, I shared this with somebody the other day, and it really spoke to me, and I just wanted to share it with everybody else before we get on whatever else
we're gonna do.
Proverbs 31, a familiar passage to some.
There have been whole Bibles dedicated to this chapter of the Bible, which is a little strange, but that's
okay.
Most people think of this as the passage of the ideal excellent wife, which it is definitely a good
example of that.
And speaking of this excellent wife, you know, the heart of her husband trusts in her.
That's always one of my favorite verses.
There is a character trait of hers that I think we could all learn from, men and women.
We know that verse 30 says, this charm is deceitful and beauty is vain, but a woman who
fears the Lord, a woman who fears Yahweh will be praised.
So she is praised for fearing Yahweh.
We know the Bible says the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
You can't even start to understand wisdom until you first have a rightful fear of God.
Well, I think there's something in here that many people like me may have missed
because three verses before that, it says, strength and dignity
are her clothing and she laughs at the time to come.
She can laugh at the time to come without fear because she has a
respectful fear of the Lord.
So in other words, she fears what she's supposed to fear and doesn't fear what she's not supposed to.
She fears God, obeys God.
She laughs at the time to come because the time to come is governed
and controlled by the sovereign of the universe, who's the only one she is to fear.
And in that fear, she gets acceptance from him so that, as God
says in Romans, if God is for us, who or what can be
against us?
So I just wanted to encourage somebody with that as that encouraged me.
That encouraged me, me reading this and going over this with somebody else last week.
The excellent wife can laugh at the time to come because she fears God.
Wow.
If that doesn't encourage you, go read something else.
But that was, for me, that blew my socks off.
That's awesome, man.
Honestly, I needed to hear that because...
Me too.
That's a hard command to obey, but it's logical.
It's logical.
If we have a proper fear of God, and maybe I could give an analogy
to think of that.
I think we water it down too much to say, well, that just means respect.
Well, it's more than respect or the word respect would have been used.
It's not fears and I have nightmares.
That's not the kind of fear we're talking about either.
My daughter fears me.
She also loves to cuddle me and watch rugby with me and fight.
It's not that kind of fear.
When I go to the Grizzlies game or the Tigers game and they have those fire torches
like in pregame or halftime that shoot up the fire or whatever.
And if you have friends who have seats close, you can feel the heat.
I jump sometimes because I feel that heat.
Now, I know that fire over there can't burn me, but I have more
than just respect, an all respect of what that can do.
Some of that goes off of me, you know what I mean?
I know God is for me, not against me, but I am aware, acutely aware of his
power.
And that's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.
And I have that fear of God.
Now, that's what's so amazing when the Bible says we can approach the throne of grace with boldness and all that stuff.
But fear of the Lord is a deep all respect.
So if we do that, there's no sense in fearing the time to come.
Yeah, because I think a proper fear of God is also an acceptance of
all the things that God says that he is.
Amen, yeah.
This is like, if I fear God and I truly do, then I am also acknowledging what
God is and all those things.
So it comes with a proper faith in his promises and that, yeah, dude, if he clothes the lilies,
if he coats the lilies and he provides for the sparrow, then yeah, he's got me.
So I can laugh at what's to come because it's the same thing as, if you confess with your mouth
that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
And believing in your heart that God raised him from the dead is believing that God is capable of doing that and that doing that
is enough to actually affect you.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's not just believing like, yeah, he raised him from the dead, but it's also believing that God
and Jesus' sacrifice is sufficient to cover a multitude of sins.
That's good stuff, man.
Yeah, that's awesome, dude.
All right, let's go to a TikTok that we have to react to today.
We might've heard of the revival that is currently going on in Kentucky and
we have some film of that.
Day six.
They're on day 11 now.
I love that song.
It says 130 hours.
And I'm wondering if they're just saying 130 hours have passed since they started or if they've actually been like
rotating day and night.
I mean, yeah, they have 2 a .m., 3 a .m. services.
How old is that?
What day is it at right now?
11. 11?
I think it started on February 8th.
It started at the Wednesday - The Wednesday chapel, February 8th, from what I understand, is when it started.
And from there, it was just from the altar call, people just started coming and it hadn't stopped,
so.
And just, you know, before we get into it, no prep,
no planning, no showmanship, no lights, no fog machine, no
lyrics on the screen, no, you know, any of that and things are still happening.
So just for the church leaders that get real stressed out about your OOS.
That's a good word.
That's a good word, man.
You get real stressed out about your stuff.
I mean, God can do things with anything.
Someone asked me this morning
about that, about, not that TikTok, but about what I thought about that whole thing.
And you just found out about it, like, just today.
I think I heard about it a couple days ago.
And obviously, you've been at it for a minute.
Because you knew, okay.
My mom sent it to me on day four or five.
So, thinking about how do we respond to that, I think the right answer would be
cautiously, but optimistic.
Right.
I think would be the right answer to that.
That sounds like a great thing.
You know, I think the best way to tell
if revival is genuine is to first understand what revival is.
Well, revival is not a
change of the culture first, a revival, revive, live again.
It's the church being revitalized and renewed to repentance to God's word.
The Bible says that judgment starts in the house of God.
Well, in the same way, the revival of a nation begins in the house of God.
Has from the get, every nation you see, okay.
When the church falls in faithful commitment to God, the nation will soon
reap the consequences of that.
When the church rises up, the nations will reap the blessings of that.
That's a constant theme we see throughout world history.
So, I think that's an optimistic point you made about there's not fog machines and lights and
stereos.
It's just people getting together and worshiping God.
I think that's a beautiful thing.
We would know the genuineness of it, and we will continue to based on the fruits that come of that.
And here's what I mean by that.
Now, I hope, first off, that's a beautiful song.
I hope that, and I'm sure this is happening, that someone is getting up and
preaching God's word during those 11 days, six days, whatever.
I hope that's happening too.
That would be a key part of revival.
You have to have something to turn to.
So, I would hope that the singing and the worshiping is an outpouring of a desire to obey
God and his word.
So, I would hope that's happening too.
It wasn't on that video, but who knows.
I once went street witnessing with somebody.
And we went to an apartment complex here in Memphis.
I won't say which one.
This was years ago.
And we went there to evangelize, which I was game with.
It was not in a Collierville area of town.
Let's just say that.
All right.
And we went and he goes, yeah, we were here last year.
500 people got saved.
I said, okay.
There was only like 700 people that lived in these apartment complexes.
And so, my brain immediately went to, did anything change?
And he told me, no.
Same crime reports, same amount of police visits, same lifestyle, nothing about the
complex has changed.
Well, this may be where I'm seen as negative, but I would question the
genuineness of that.
Yeah, it sounds like 500 people got you out of their faces.
Exactly.
And here's why.
There's no such thing as revival without a changing of hearts, which I'd always start with our own, by the way.
That can't be.
Every time we see a salvation in the Bible or a salvation of magnitude, we
see a change of attitude.
Nineveh, the people of Jerusalem, Antioch, Ephesus, when a mass amount of people get saved, there's a
change in that community.
So, we'll be able to see the genuineness of that more as weeks go on.
So, is revival a biblical or extra -biblical term?
It is a biblical term, kind of.
So, salvation, the biblical term is regeneration.
I'm trying to think revival, before I speak too quickly.
I'm trying to think.
Because I'm partially, I'm wondering, because I don't know.
Like I said, I found out about this when this video was sent.
So, I'm questioning.
Right, when the video was sent, and I was just like, you know, I don't know what they claim it is.
I don't know if they're claiming it's revival or other people are, but I'm looking it up and I'm seeing articles like,
is this a real revival?
And I was just getting flabbergasted like, man, what's it matter whether or not it's a real revival?
I feel like, in my opinion, it matters more that they're doing something and that they are being obedient to
God in their worship.
So, I guess if we were gonna get on the terms,
revive means live again.
You know, in Revelation three, when he tells the dead church, what is it, Sardis, to live
again, I guess that would be our English counterpart there, live again.
That's about the only example I can think of off the top of my head, though.
Yeah, because I was thinking just like, what does it mean to be a revival?
And you said something about, you know, preaching the word of God so that people can have something to turn to.
So, and then I got thinking like, well, man, is revival a biblical
practice or is this something that churches have done to try to
initiate repentance and, you know, rejuvenation of the spirit?
Honestly, for me, I just kind of think of Jonathan Edwards.
And, you know, it's not that he was a good, necessarily a good preacher, but he could just
read and people were, you know, afraid that they were gonna fall into hell at any moment.
So, I mean, for our country at that point, he was, you know,
that kind of start up with the revival stuff.
So, that's kind of what I picture when someone says revival, is that whole,
I need Jesus and their hearts are changing and, you know,
coming to life, whether, you know, revival, the word is actually biblical or not.
I mean, out of the thousands and thousands of people that are going to Ashbury,
I mean, there are people that are driving from all different states.
I know that there's also several different colleges that have started on
their campuses, like Lee University, I think has kind of started doing that too.
I don't know if that's still a thing or not.
It was a few days ago, along with a couple others, but the genuineness of
the entirety may not stick, but who's to say that there
aren't going to be certain people that are there that will actually come out of it going, God changed
my life.
I think, sure.
Hunter, to clarify what I meant earlier about, so they have something to stick to,
so that, I think Jonathan Edwards is a good example, so that when they
leave that room, it's not just
the words, it is well with my soul, but the belief that's actually true,
and that belief is founded, that faith that is actually true by hearing the word of God.
Lasting faith comes from hearing and hearing the word of God, Romans 10, 17, right?
So literally, your faith increases.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God from the word of God.
So you have something when, what song was that we sang this morning?
The first song.
I've been trying to remember it because I was,.
It's like the dream talk we had before we started.
Dude, I know, I've actually been thinking about this.
Cherie.
Oh, because, okay, I'm thinking about the passage that Brother Christian read.
Love Endures Forever.
Love endures forever.
No, we did not.
That was the verse.
That wasn't even the song they sang.
But that was the verse.
Oh, why would they do that song?
I'm not gonna mess this up.
But that was the verse, and now we're not gonna be able to.
Oh, no, because now I know it's Love Endures Forever.
Let's ask our camera people.
They all pay attention.
What was it?
See, oh, his mercy endureth forever.
People from every generation and tongue from generation, we worship you, hallelujah, hallelujah, for who you are, and you are good all
the time, and all the time.
Yeah, okay.
Beautiful song.
But if I don't understand the truth of what those words mean, found by the
truths found in the word of God, it's only gonna last so long.
But instead, you and I can sing that song because we know those words are true.
Does that make sense?
We know those words are true.
I hope and I believe that revival,
revival is not the fact that people have stood singing
for 10 days, though that's a beautiful thing.
Revival is the fact that people believe that, and it's demonstratable and a change in their life.
Okay.
Can I read something?
Okay, I was looking at, I don't know, someone had posted something about
the Asbury thing, and so I was looking through the comments, because a lot of people were talking about, you know,
is this real, all that, and somebody that was actually there commented and
said, "'There's no preaching by hysterical pastors "'or brother loves
salvation show.
"'What is happening is a drawing "'of the Holy Spirit of believers, "'of the lost and the hurting "'who are
seeking the face of God.
"'People are reading scripture, some students, "'some attendees, whoever chooses to read.
"'There's prayer time, corporate and individually, "'large groups, small groups,
praise and worship songs, "'no, let's see, no words projected anywhere, "'just spontaneous
offerings of worship.
"'There are confessions, repentances, "'repentance and testimonies,' I'm sorry, I don't have my glasses on, this
is really difficult, "'and testimonies of how God is moving in their lives.
"'People kneeling, standing, prostrate, "'whatever they choose to do.
"'There have been healings.
"'People have accepted Christ, renewed their faith.
"'The group is ethnically diverse, "'ages from elderly to babies,
"'and people come from across the country "'and around the world.
"'God is drawing his people,' is what they continue, and it just goes on from there.
Of course, we don't know who said that, but I would say the overwhelming -.
But they've live -streamed it, like you can go back and watch it on your own stuff.
Yeah, I would say the overwhelming majority of that, our response should be optimistically amen.
And we should hope that that is true, not all of that, but the overwhelming majority of that, we should hope that all that's
true and say amen, hallelujah, praise God.
And I think that should be our reaction to it.
But the ethnically diverse comment made me giggle a little bit.
Yeah, a little bit.
Only because that is a result of
preaching the gospel, that people of every tribe, nation, language, that is a result because the same gospel goes
out the whole world.
Every people, nation, and tongue.
From generation.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
That's the song we sang this morning.
That's what we just did.
It's not the same one, is it?
That's -.
We worship you, hallelujah.
That's not -.
Wait, no, dang it.
That's not the same song.
That's the other one.
That is it.
Oh, it is the same one?
Okay, yeah.
You just did it right.
Well, he did it right, but that's not the song we were talking about before.
Yeah, it is.
You are good.
Elena.
Is it?
Yes. All the time.
Apparently, I was asleep.
Elena, you're messing up because Elena understood that earlier.
Sheree. Shereelal.
Shabby.
See, that's what she's doing here.
Because it's a little silly that we have to throw in there.
Oh, also, also, also, it's not just white people.
We swear.
We swear it's not just the whites.
I know it's a rich Christian college, but.
My point in saying that is, so,
yeah, I will have more in common with cultural differences included.
I'll have more in common with a genuine believer in Cambodia than I will an
unbeliever as my next door neighbor.
Our lives will look more similar.
But I don't have to seek that out.
I just preach the gospel to whoever's there.
Jesus chose 12 people of the same gender, of the same
ethnicity, to be his closest companions.
People today, there are some Christians today that would say he's not diverse enough.
Only that's something you want to tell the son of God.
Who made all of the diversity.
Right, yeah, that's incredible to me.
They would.
Tell me they wouldn't.
No, they would.
I've seen it.
Yeah, yeah.
I've heard it.
So, but I don't want to over -criticize that one comment.
I would say that.
Is Jesus the one who created the races?
Racist!
So.
But you know, and I've noticed something, man, is that Christians, we have a
responsibility to an extent to be critical and to think and to
look and to discern what is true, what is good, what is right, what is lovely, what is pure, all these
things.
We need to look and say, is this what it says it is?
Is this whatever?
But sometimes I feel, and this is where the opinion piece comes in, sometimes I feel as if
Christians are very quick to seek out the
wrong and seek out a way to disprove.
Like, because the first thing when I Googled this today, after finding out about it, all of the
things were, is this really revival?
Is this really what it is?
You know, like, what is all this?
You know what?
I was just like, what?
I think I can answer exactly why.
We as Christians have a tendency to base
truth off tangible things.
Things we can see, touch, and feel instead of the truths found, the eternal truths of the word of God.
And we'll do this without knowing it.
So, we place our trust in a pastor, apologist,
movement, whatever.
So when those pastors, apologists, or movements fail us, or err, or say, nevermind, I didn't mean
any of that, or lie, cheat, steal, whatever, it
bothers us a little bit because we actually place some of our faith in that person as opposed to God.
So, as a result, we don't want to get our hopes up for things that look that way because we
are actually placing some of our validity in those things so that we will, am I making sense?
We won't get our, so, let's not get our hopes up because if this falls on its face, I don't want to look bad, or I don't want to, and I think
that's a goofy way of looking at it.
Yeah, because just imagine if every time God moved, there were, you were just like,
eh, I don't know if this is the real deal, and you're gonna miss out on a lot of things.
You know what it made me think of?
Remember when Kanye first switched up and said that he was a Christian?
Vaguely.
Vaguely, you remember that?
Oh, I remember because we talked on here and there was a Chick -fil -A song, I remember that, yeah.
Yeah, and it was just like one of his big things.
I remember this now.
Yeah, and whether or not you believe he is or isn't, you know, I'm just saying, one of his big things is that he said, you know, when I came
out and said that I want to follow God and follow Christ, the people who pushed back against me the most were the Christians,
and you're just like.
Have you heard of Brian Head Welch, the guitarist of Korn?
Yes.
The guitarist of Korn?
Yes, I watched his, he did a video testimony years ago.
Yes, he has a book out too, it's crazy.
Anyway, he actually went back to
Korn, I think he went back to the band in the last couple years because every time he'd go to a
church, they just didn't want anything to do with him.
They'd kind of push him out and he just didn't feel like he was welcome.
So he just went back to, you know, those who did accept him.
Yeah, that's the thing is when I heard that, I was just like, well, you know, despite what I might think, and you know, I
thought when Kanye West first said, you know, hey, I'm doing this, I thought, man, God does really pick the most interesting
people, man.
I mean, like, he would just use anybody and that's so cool.
And then when he said that, I said, I believe that 100%.
Because the first thing you would see is, okay, but is Kanye really, or is Kanye, and
it's an important question, you know, when people are claiming Christ, you need to look at the fruits and you need to do all
that, but it's just like, there's also a line where you also need to accept that God can do.
Whatever he wants.
That's right.
You know, and people can have issues and people can,
you know, still have their problems and their struggles.
And be brought out of that.
That's right, that's right.
Yeah, I just thought, so when I looked at this revival and all I was seeing was, is this really, is
this this, is this really this?
Or it's like, what's the problem with the Asbury revival?
And I was just like, hey man, you know, I heard.
What's the problem with this website?
Yeah, I was like, hey, you know, I'm hearing about these college kids in Kentucky having this, you know, what I
thought was, apparently around day 11, I just saw that and you know, thought it was new.
But six day revival, I was just like, dude, that's crazy.
Because that crap wouldn't happen at my old college.
You know, I'm just thinking like, that's cool to have a college campus that's doing stuff like that.
And then now we're thinking about, I thought about the question, is that revival?
And I thought, well, is revival even a biblical term?
Or is revival something that we try to achieve?
I think it's a biblical idea.
There we go, from the biblical idea.
So why are we trying to define it by, is this happening, is this happening?
And instead of, is the Holy Spirit of God moving and being obeyed in that area?
It's like, if we are obeying and glorifying God, then I'm not really
bothered by what we label it.
I'm bothered by, you know.
Sure.
What they're doing and what's happening.
And I think it's really important when it comes to any kind of revival at a
school or anything like that.
Because the high school I went to actually just had their, oh, what's
it called? Where they have the chapel every day, like the, it's like a
worship week kind of thing.
But I think it's really important to encourage those who know that their life
has changed to get plugged into their local church and to continue searching
for that.
Because there's a lot of these people that will just go home on this high from the revival and
think, okay, well now I'm saved, that's all, that's it.
And that's just the beginning of it.
If you don't get into the local body of a biblical church that teaches truth.
Then you will not be moving on and moving closer and growing in that faith.
You will be stagnant and just stay there.
Or maybe it was just a feeling you had one time and it didn't go anywhere from there.
Then what do you do with that?
So, I mean, especially with this being as big as it is, there's not gonna be enough
pastors there or teachers or whoever they have who are praying over people there
to be a disciple for that person.
So I think it's just really important and in case anyone who is there
stumbles across this at any point.
That's right, the genuine, that's right.
The genuineness of that will be met out additionally by pews will be
filled, pews.
Chairs will be filled, whatever, the following Sunday.
There will be.
It'll be a what now?
That's exactly right.
Same on the college campus too.
Yeah, I've called that the church camp high.
It's because when I was a kid, I was playing football with my friends and one of them
was getting just really heated and they just started acting out and throwing a fit and we were
young and his brother just said, we just got back from church camp.
And that has stuck with me at all since because of just the feeling that I said, what does that
matter, man?
It's like, we just got back from church camp.
Give it two more weeks.
Give it two more weeks before you start going crazy, man.
Did you win?
I mean, plead the fifth.
I'm just kidding, I don't know, man.
This is about him.
It was me, I just got back from church camp.
All right, well, we had a one question from a listener today that we're gonna tackle
to close out this episode, guys.
So as far as our sins that are brought up at
church more often, okay?
These things that, the things that you'll see normally, lust, lying,
wrath, whatever it might be that are tackled by churches
quite often, quite regularly, there are some that are a little bit more
neglected, sloth and gluttony.
And we had a question from our listeners.
Why is it that we don't hear a whole lot about gluttony and sloth
from our church leadership?
I almost had, well, obesity is a very big problem in our country.
I think it's one of those things that they don't really wanna touch because they don't wanna offend people.
Sloth, I'm not, I couldn't answer for that one, but.
Too lazy to think of something?
I'm just kidding.
That was funny.
I think the point made earlier that
where the church fails, the culture will feel the consequences of it.
It is interesting that in our culture,
it would be hard, I could think of maybe two or three other types of sins that are more prominent than those
in our culture.
Now, I think this is why.
We have a problem in the church, in our culture, and not just ours, by the way, of using
the sin word, period.
Okay?
And then when we get to using the idea that God hates sin,
hates, the Bible says things like,
those in sin are piling up wrath, storing up wrath for the day of judgment,
that God is angry, Psalm says, every day at the wicked.
This is not the terminology that most people hear in pulpits in the United States on Sunday mornings.
Included in the list of those sins, we would like
to not think it's easy, in a sense,
to say stealing is a sin because it's objective,
it's more easily avoidable outwardly to obey that
than it would be something that's an inward, like laziness.
Something that more just. Gluttony. Yeah. That more affect you, yourself.
And when we talk about laziness, we live in a society where we are taught
that we are the most important thing.
Do you, whatever makes you happy, may be one of the most damning things you could
ever tell somebody.
I mean, think about that for a minute.
Whatever makes you happy.
Well, the Bible teaches that we are to die to ourselves.
The Bible teaches that we are to use our bodies as weapons of
righteousness.
The Bible says we are to be hospitable.
The Bible says that we are to outdo one another in showing honor.
These are all things that laziness does not allow for.
I think it's not just those two sins.
I think we have a problem with preaching sin in general.
But I would say, with those two specifically, it gets to the
heart of the matter real quick.
This is not about you.
Indulging yourself, appeasing yourself.
This is about everyone else but you.
That's a hard message to preach in a society where everywhere else says everything is about you.
Man.
Everything.
Everything is personalized to you.
To the point to where you can pick up this phone and make it so where you never,
your eyes never even have to cross something you don't like or don't agree with.
Isn't that incredible?
I can literally personalize this where I only ever see things I already agree with.
That's a laziness of mind the Bible has no place for.
It's ingrained in our culture.
In everything we do, it's about me.
Everything is personalized to me.
Individualized to me.
In schools, there's something called IEPs, Individualized Education Plans, okay?
And the original idea was to give, I'm about to make some people mad, to give
Individualized Educational Plans to kids who needed it because they had
conditions, mental conditions where it had to be,
okay, eyesight.
So their IEP might be, must have this font of type on their test.
Mental retardation.
There's all sorts of things.
So you have to individualize something for that student.
Reasonable doesn't require a lot.
Well, then, now, you can get IEPs
for anger issues, for behavioral outbursts in class, so that if
this child has an IEP for behavioral outbursts in class, he gets sent to the office and
comes back 10 minutes later and this kid goes home for five days suspended because he has an
IEP for it.
You following me on that?
Everything is individualized to us, including our sin.
Including our sin.
I think those two are just examples of that.
Yeah, I can totally see that.
And just for clarity's sake, okay, because I think this can help us with the
argument here, how would you describe or even define
gluttony?
Gluttony is, in regards to food, a
overindulgence of yourself, particularly in the Bible, at the expense of others.
It's an overindulgence of yourself, not just beyond what you need.
And it's probably best to think of this not as a one -time occurrence, but as a lifestyle.
Because the Bible uses terms like aglutton, okay?
So it is a style of living, like not a one -time thing.
An overindulgence of food out of selfishness,
far beyond what you need, and typically at the expense of
others.
So maybe an example in the Bible would be at the Lord's Supper
in 1 Corinthians 11, where we have people about to take the
Lord's Supper, but they're eating beforehand.
And people will get drunk off their own wine
instead of sharing with someone who had none.
Overindulge themselves with food and shame those who had none to bring.
So it's an overindulgence of yourself beyond what you need.
Typically, I feel like at the expense of others, and
trying to satisfy it that way.
That's the best I got.
And is that with food specifically, food and drink?
The, yes.
Now, if we wanna extend that idea out, I think we can do that allegorically, but in
the Book of Proverbs, when it talks about he hates, he's talking about food.
Would you, what about those who use it for comfort over other things or
those who?
I think that still falls in the category of sin.
Because you're putting that over God.
Right, and if we're talking about enjoyment, that's not what I'm talking about.
Oh, no, I love it.
Yeah, I enjoy.
Absolutely.
You're talking about using it for comfort.
Yeah, I think that's a problem.
Yeah, anything you put in God's spot.
Yeah, God is the God of all comfort.
I think that's most of like people today when you're talking about, I think that's most of
what it's going on about, because I mean, yeah, there's starving people all over the
country and there's stuff like that, but when it comes to self
-indulgence, it's more now because people are sitting at home and what do
you do when you're sitting on the couch not doing anything?
Grab a bag of cheese.
If you're not careful, you eat because you're bored.
Yeah, you're right.
You go grab that family -sized bag of chips and suddenly you're a family, because it's gone.
So what's our responsibility or what's our step as the church in
regards to gluttony, both with ourselves and with
our fellow believers?
Well, our responsibility, I think, so the Bible does the
whole thing where it tells you what not to do and tells you what to do instead.
So like example in Ephesians where it talks about don't steal anymore, but instead share what you
have with others.
I think focus could be on, instead of, get at the heart of the issue.
So yeah, get some help, get some regiment, some discipline in your life.
To not do X, Y, and Z, some healthy habits.
I think all that's excellent stuff.
I think all that's needed, but I think the root of the issue would be, one, where are you
getting your sense of comfort and worth from?
And two, two, instead of focus on indulging yourself,
help raise someone else up and you'll focus less on yourself.
Who are you serving?
I think that's a key thing.
I think that's a key thing for most of the sins and most of the things that we
go through, because I mean, I struggle with anxiety and depression.
And the thing that I have found that helps me most is to get outside of myself and I'll text someone, hey,
how are you doing?
How can I pray for you?
Just getting out of myself and serving someone else is how I've been able
to better, oh my gosh, what's the word?
Cope.
Cope, there we go.
It was not coming to me.
Better cope with it.
And honestly, just by doing that, by serving others, it has been a
blessing to me being able to do that.
I'll give you one along those lines for me personally.
I think I've shared this before, but I can't remember if it was on here, so we're just gonna roll with it.
Years ago, I would probably drink three cups of coffee a day years ago, which for
some people ain't a big deal.
And of course, bold, black, you don't put all the other stuff in it.
Just black coffee, that's all you want.
Like a real man.
Heard it here first.
Unless you want dessert.
If you want dessert, you go to Starbucks and ask for anything with the word caramel in it.
Doesn't really matter what it is.
If it has the word caramel, it's good.
Anyway, I probably drank three cups of coffee a day.
Well, I went to fast one day and I quit by lunchtime
because I had a severe headache.
I quit.
I couldn't figure out why.
It's because of lack of caffeine.
You quit the fast?
Fast.
And I stopped, this was years ago,.
I said, this is ridiculous.
I can't obey God in this way because of coffee.
This is stupid.
A bean.
So I went three weeks without drinking any of it.
I'll have one cup of coffee a day now and every now and then, I'll check myself and won't have it for two
or three days just to make sure everything's still good there.
And that may sound silly or trite to some but I don't want to be brought under control by anything,
particularly if it keeps me from obeying God.
So for example, if you couldn't go on a mission trip
because of eating habits, if you couldn't sacrifice X, Y, and Z
of your budget, not for what you need health -wise but because of eating habits.
Or because you're not working enough because you keep calling out and you can't afford it.
Right, so you've got to realize every
sin in some sense is also keeping you from
obeying God in another sense.
And when I thought of it that way, that really helped me.
Every sin in at least some sense is keeping me from obeying God in another sense.
Since there's always a do not instead do this in the Bible.
Well, my brain realized that if I'm doing, that probably means I'm not doing this to its fullest extent.
That helped me a lot.
So that's where I failed in that and yeah, if you're right -handed, Vinzy cut it off
type thing.
Yeah, and I think another good way to look at that is if you're wondering, okay, maybe
what is gluttony a part of my life and what can I do?
What are my steps?
What am I thinking about solving that?
I would point you to Paul where he says, everything is permissible.
Not everything is profitable.
Okay, and you've got to ask, okay, so is it wrong for me to buy Oreos?
And have them in the house?
Not in and of themselves.
Of course.
But is it profitable for you to, binge the double stuff
in one day?
No, it's not profitable in any way.
So I think it's just important to look at your biblical wisdom and say,
yeah, while some things may be permissible, and is what I am doing profitable
to me, my family, or others?
Yeah, I think that's good.
I think that's a good one.
But again, I think the root of the issue would be
that we live in a society that it's all about me and those two sins in particular say the exact opposite.
That it's not.
It's not.
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Deuces.
Like, what happens is I'll be thinking about, I'll be thinking about the Federal
Reserve Building in D .C. Because I am.
And I'm thinking that way because when he said it makes no sense, I was gonna make the pun about, I was gonna make the pun I always do, and then I
thought not to make it.
Then I thought about the Federal Reserve and I thought about Rachel and I's trip there and how she booked the hotel for one day short and how we had to
find a motel for $120 and how I...
So all of that was thought in like half a second, it was incredible.