An Angry Man's Rage Against the Almighty

Job, Divine Sovereignty, and the Problem of Evil

Hi for what I don't want to force these please set aside. No, no, no, I'm just trying to understand what story you're talking about that's all yes to get clarification job where God came to job and. Let's continue.

Okay. So yeah, no Satan comes to God and says hey, I things go through God. Yes, Satan is a lesser being. Yes, correct. Okay. Yeah, and so he says God says hey Have you ever seen my my servant Job my servant who loved his God so much he would do anything for.

Yeah, what a modest experience of a humankind right would give all for the Lord. He loved Yes prayed Loved his woman loved his children gave everything. He was to what or whom? To God. Okay. Yes. Yes that that's the story right and that is God's story.

God uses the devil to take everything from Job his whole family dies. The devil had inclinations of his own to use Job against God, well, I don't think anything let's get the story. Right. Well, no, I don't think well.

No, here's the thing. It was it was again. It was again, but we go who gambles God. Nobody no one but the devil. Well, no. Hey, so I in Isaiah the book of Isaiah. It says that God has declared all things from the end and the beginning that his counsel will stand.

So that means he's also omniscient and he already knows what Lucifer is going to do. He allows it to happen. So I don't think it allows it. Exactly. You're right. Yep. Yep. Yep something. It's a gamble.

I think God actually decreed it right because in the Bible it says God actually creates calamity in Isaiah. Okay, before we go further do any of you have children? Yes, I for you have four you sir. No, okay.

Let's proceed. Yes, so I do I have four children and I guess sir, man. Imagine the turmoil that Job went through when all of his children were crushed by a house and his woman. No, she was alive. Yeah, cuz she actually told him she said a place, you know, never she um, she actually told job.

She said how about you curse God and die? And he never did right? So what's what's the issue that you have a job? The issue that I have a job is not upon Job. No, no, no. Yeah. No, I get that. Yeah, it is upon a father who is all loved all knowing all seeing.

Don't worry about your Honda Civic. I'm gonna give you a Supra. Don't worry about your four cows. I'm gonna give you 12. Don't worry about the beautiful children your humanity brought upon. Your beautiful existence and I designed myself.

Don't worry about that. I'm gonna give you four more children divinely more beautiful. I Am all loving. No, no, no. You're proving a point to a being you consider lesser. For that of the greater good.

I'm sorry my friends if you apply that to any human existence ever. What do we render that as we would render that as sin? Egotistical. Egotistical self-hating. Going for a greater point to prove to someone lesser that I am greater than that.

We're not talking about any of us we're talking about God, right. Isn't it isn't it but we are designed to live by God's Word. Hmm so, what do you believe now as I say not as I do. So what do you believe now?

Would you do? To that your children. Do as I say not as I do for I know better than you. What I say God is totally just in all of the things that he does. He's just so he's not only Just a chess match.

Okay, when a point comes to the board, you know, oh, this is easy. Why don't put some scratch on the table? You already know they suck. You already know they suck. Absolutely does it for his glory? Hmm does it for the glory for his glory?

Yes, he deserves all the good my children designed in my image. So no, no glory for my children. Well, what's funny though is this doesn't even happen to you, but it happened to Job yet Job never cursed God and died and he actually went through it.

Yeah, he did go through it and he actually never cursed God. Would you do that to your children? Would I do that to my own would you make your child a pawn in the game you play? Against a lesser being you already know you're gonna beat him.

You know, it's a hundred percent win yet. I will see my child suffer. To prove a point to someone who was already lesser than thou so you're angry with God. Oh, I Never was until I read the story of Job.

Am I angry with God? Yeah. Yeah. How is God angry with me? Does he not use me as his pawn? Yeah, I mean you're his call and that that makes me separate, right? That makes me separate if I die my energy transmutes back to whatever the fuck I've come from or whatever the fuck I'm going to.

Now I'm lesser. You are you're a creature. I'm lesser too. I mean, it's okay. It's okay. It's okay for us to be lesser. However, it is not okay for the loving father of mine to use me. To make a fucking point to the devil.

That's not Oh fucking K. Well, he's just in all that he does the fuck he is. How is that just when your child gave everything they had? Everything they were to be a part of yours and you sit on them to prove a fucking point.

Well, everybody tell me now how that may. Oh, no. No, I know the answer. I know the answer. It's in God's ways. It's in God's hands. No, you not what you not know. That's not what I was gonna say, but no I get it.

I get the defense because I was Born into an LDS family. I was born to a Christian hood. However. No loving father that I would ever claim as father cares of me in any direction. I go. So sit here and tell me I will give you boils on your skin.

I will allow the devil to attack you. Because guess what you got a fucking civic I'll give you a fucking Bentley fuck you and Everything you come from to prove your ego to someone you already consider lesser.

Fuck you. Okay, so let me you're no no, no. No, you're no loving father of mine. You're a man of a man's descent. You were trying to prove your ego. That is not love. No, man has ever loved you. Would use you.

Okay, name one name one your grandfather your father. Maybe your great-grandfather. Yeah, name one. Oh, no, but it's all in God's great image. Yeah, so. Who would. But it's it's God's great image you you're not supposed to know you're not supposed to know love until you get back to where order You came from.

So what the fuck is the point of here. What is the point of here if your love is only supposed to be determined by where you were and where you're going? Why are we here to glorify God and join forever?

Fuck that you don't like God you're angry with it. No, no. No, I want to know the meaning of God. Okay, if it is supposed to be all directing where the fuck do I go? We're gonna know a father who loves me would betray me.

Would betray me. I don't think he betrayed you he sent his son to die for you. Fuck he wouldn't if he's done her job what saves you. Jesus saves you what? Jesus does yeah, but what have he already did his own and before that.

You want no suffering you will no suffering. Yep, just to get into my kingdom. No, no, that's a father that loves you. No, that's a misrepresentation of what how the fuck is it? No, he didn't say you how is he?

No, just look. Can I say something? Please? Yeah. Yeah. No, no, you're okay. You're okay. What like how is that? Listen, listen, well, I know you're not angry with me. Okay, so. Yeah, I don't take it aggravated with the arrogance that we know what the fuck happens when we die just.

Suffering, the Cross, and the Hope of Heaven

Okay, so. So Jesus when he talks about suffering, he doesn't say your suffering gets you into the kingdom of heaven. He says you're gonna be hated because they hated me and you're gonna suffer because of that.

But that's not what gets you into heaven. It's purely through the suffering of Jesus Christ on the cross. We're free Jesus here. Well, Jesus is God. So that's that's my that's that's fine. That's fine.

That's fine. Yeah, but before God came to you There was a God. Oh There was God demanding all things. Hold on expecting all things. Help me. Help me understand what you're saying real quick just so I can understand before God came to me as in Jesus.

Yeah, Jesus was already there. The end of joke, yes, let's get it. Yeah, all the things he gave back no no new family, yeah, yeah, well, I don't will already knows why that's what he doesn't like. No, no, how how what's your name?

William William how how yours you're speaking like you're you're this. Like you're God, but I'm God's creation. You're you're like, so are you are you you are this number the next step next to God? Or then why did he create you should read read what God says about you and I in Joe, okay.

That's what I'm gonna say that you'll never be adequate. No, no, no, I have it. I haven't versed this over entirely. No. Yeah, tell me something. I don't know about Joe, please. Because this was the reason I walked away from Christianity, please.

Tell me something about this verse. I don't fucking know. That's right I Know it's beside the point. I just couldn't know no. No, you're right. No. No, you're right for the sake of being, right? I hope that makes you get on with your day.

It kind of does a little bit. Well, I'm good I'm good. I'm good. You're good. All right. Hey, I love you. So while the Wally's looking that up, I just asked you a question real quick. Since that's what made you want to deny God.

So do you think I would never accept a father who would use me as a pawn to prove a point? Okay. Well, I guess I get that so I get that so so it does that God not real. Are you really getting that? Yeah, like do you know what I'm saying to you?

Oh, absolutely. So your father Will just use you. I'm asking you a question. So as a pawn To prove something just listen to me. There's someone else not just listen your experience doesn't matter. His those let's just listen.

Okay, so the God of the Bible now you ready loves you just. Okay, so yeah, you really don't matter but he loves you. Okay. Well, so he would you reject him now, right? So no, I don't reject him. Do you think he's there?

I reject man's image of God. So do you think in any rigorous form of activity? Okay is the God of the Bible for us to understand? What happens when we die and where we come from and where we're going in this it's arrogant it's pure fucking.

It's faith. It has to be faith because you know, there's no it there's no ignorance or arrogance and faith. It's just I fucking hope holy shit. That would be so fucking good. That would be so good. Well, I think there's evidence of it not just in my faith.

But in general revelation as well through the things that God has created just like you I think you're made in the image of God. That's what the Bible declares. How the fuck could I not be? So you think I'm on the fucking favor of the devil the one that makes us miserable?

No, I'm not Fucking not. I'm just trying to understand what you believe about God. I get what you're angry about. So, what do you believe about God? God is without gender completely a divine being who understands that you know, they're gonna need to reproduce or I'm gonna create this in this.

No, God doesn't have a dick or a fucking pussy end of story. He's way too intelligent to need a divisiveness of that kind at all. Beautiful in every form measure loving in all form of measure. However, if I believe that I truly fucking do.

Whatever that being is because I've known mother. I've known father. What do you mean, you know mother and you know father I have known a loving mother will let me suck up from her see I know. Oh like your actual parents.

Yes. Yes. Okay. I know. Keep me warm from the winter ice and fend away the wolves. I Understand what the fuck it means. To come between the duality and the exist as a child. Nothing about the story of Job tells me that that is correct in any form and fashion at all.

And it's the only story. The only one you would use me me. You made me you made you made me. I didn't choose to fucking be you made me here. And you would do this to me after I've done nothing, but love.

That's that's the hard part. No, no, have you done nothing but love him have you ever told I didn't say it was my story. Oh Joe directed me. Well, it's not perfect either. That's part of the issue that I fuck is there's always gonna be a conscious that there's always gonna be a fucking form of Jesus Was perfect that doesn't agree with you.

No, no. Yeah, I've read the verses yeah God's response. He says shall I fault finder contend with the Almighty? Do you dare challenge me little boy? Yeah, pretty much. But I've read the fucking Okay Terms I that I didn't know his wife wasn't expunged.

I'm very I'm very first in this. Okay, but I just that that even if you keep your wife How she gonna look at you? How she gonna look at her children knowing your God she has watched you pray to every day in and out and same as she Watch you slaughter your fucking children's being boils up on your skin Slatter your fucking coddle that you only said was capable through you.

I Have a question. Oh, I bet you do. Like when a father like an earthly father Sends out like his child likes his child like just ride a bike and crash it or something and he gets hurt. Is that unloving like that is comparable?

To the winter coming and your your cattle have been slaughtered to the Almighty God it is. It's a metaphor, right? Like it's a for fuck's sakes boys. So if there is a God if there is an eternal Like creator above everything.

Holy infinite there is that right? So and we are ignorant and if he's interested Oh, oh fucking religions are ignorant to what the fuck. No. No, not the empty tomb, but not Jesus He proved it John 118 says no one has ever seen God except the unique and only Son who made him Known so actually historically Jesus died on the cross.

He was God. He rose from the grave. There's historically an empty tomb and he sits at the right hand of God. So I think historically I would disagree with okay. So wait, historically, maybe you're accurate.

Yeah. Maybe I'm not however. Can we agree on the accuracy of the story of Job? Absolutely. No, listen, I'm sorry, well listen I can take it further than job every single I don't need to take it further.

No job. That was the only story. No, I think you should and if this is doctrine If this is exactly what the fuck happened, I don't want a part. Okay, I don't want my father to treat me that way ever ever in my fucking life.

I understand I get that straight. Oh, then why are you arguing the point? I'm trying to cross reference with things that make me feel better, but I don't feel better about this story. But what I'm trying to what I'm trying to say is it gets worse.

Every yeah, yeah, well, I'll take it. Well, well everybody dies. Everybody dies. It's appointed for all men to die once and then comes the judgment. Why because the wages of sin is death. So, let me tell you Joe Job God and his prerogative can do whatever he wants to whoever he wants and be totally just can you fuck your daughter?

See God God didn't do no. No, but you you're all powerful over your daughter. Can you fuck your daughter? He never did that. Doesn't matter he fucked over Joe pretty good, but he didn't do that. Can you fuck your daughter?

No. What what if the Bible said he could it doesn't though? What if I'm just saying? No, like you're not gonna just take something written by man Translated by man from thousands of years ago. If you says fuck your daughter hardcore, you're gonna be like.

Maybe I disagree with that part. I like the other bits just like I do. All the other bits except for Joe how fucking dare you I Don't care if you're my creator. I don't care if I burn in hell if I meet you at the gates, bitch.

We're fucking scrapping. How dare you do that to your son, dude. You're gonna see him one day and you're gonna leave we're knocking the fuck up. I don't care if I get smashed. Well, we're gonna mean I'm gonna ask why those fuck.

Would you do that to your child you fucking twisted fuck? Why would you do that? He had everything Loved you and yet you punish him because the devil gave you a bet you piece of shit. No, no one's convincing me.

Otherwise, this is despicable. It is everything. According to vine power maybe everything in human even you would not do that to a child. You would not you would not if you consider yourself Christians.

I I'm trying to figure out if you reject the God of the Bible how you can account for morality and bad things to begin with. Because I wouldn't do that to my fucking time. Is that just your opinion though?

Absolutely. Oh, so it doesn't really matter because. No, it does matter because what the fuck do we know about for life or afterlife? Well, you don't know shit. We're hoping we're reading these shit. Oh, no, I know because book.

No, no, we've been trained by certain people that we love to believe this is good. What's wrong? No fuck about this story. I just gave you in black and white is good because at least the salvation. How the fuck is murdering your child's salvation you explain that to me, right?

Look me in the eyes. What the fuck about murdering your child? Torturing he didn't lose life. I like had no no, no, they got four cows. He killed them all he gave the boils. Now you got eight cows and no boils.

You don't get your kids back. No, no, you don't get your kids back. You still got the same wife. You can fuck good for you, but it led him to repentance. What repentance do you need it? How evil was joke?

That's what we wanted to read the end of the book. Well, how the worst things in my life have been the main things that have led me to repentance because it shows you're not entitled. You know a good life.

No one is you know, no one is except the best. They're promised all jokes. No, no. Here what I just said unless they're promised. Yeah, all jokes. We're all here what I said unless they're promised. You're a promised yes, if you believe in Christ you go to heaven.

If you believe in God and all his divine wisdom you go to heaven. Yeah. That's it though from nothing that I've done. I don't deserve heaven though. I don't it's been promised. You don't deserve breath in your lungs will that's the problem.

You're defying the Holy God, but I'm here yet the same exactly by his grace, oh. Was it you or you or you that divine me fucking in presence? What was that say that again for me real quick? Was it you or you or you that divine to me presence here?

Oh, no, God made you. Oh, okay, so I'm trying to understand though. If you reject the God of the Bible where you even Define what love is because you're you're kind of borrowing from the the Christian worldview in order to try to tell us raise LDS.

Okay, so we're not LDS. We're not LDS. Christian, oh, yes. This taste the teachings of fucking so so what are you now? I want to understand how you're getting a justification. My name is a fucking like oh, um, I Want to know your justification for morality and I'm just an objective truth dimethyltriptamine.

DMT, Subjective Truth, and the Challenge to Objective Morality

Okay, last nerves. So the last the last thing that happens your brain is Flooded with dimethyltriptamine if you've never experienced it. Let me explain. It is the last okay, so look. It's hard to put the last nerve you have.

No, no, please please giggle. I actually had a minor in biochem. I'm just a little tilted. So the last thing that happens to your brain the last neurochemistry that experiences is a flood of dimethyltriptamine.

It's called the spirit molecule. It's recognized in every scientific practice a lot of thoughts. Seem to think its origins the pineal gland. Which is the only seeing their organ in your brain a lot of religious practices considering India the dot in the head.

Right. All right, so. What I'm saying is that we have only started to scratch the surface of what the fuck we think we know about before life and afterlife. So what you know anything that's written by a man and bless believe it was written by a man because it had to be translated.

Well, we still have the manuscripts that it was written from. Yeah, the original languages in there. It's not what the Bible says. I didn't say it's written by a man. Well Hebrew Aramaic and Greek. But ever but so you define truth as a feeling so dimethyltriptamine DMT.

No, I don't know through subjective sense experience. How can you trust that your senses are actually more objective than subjective. How so? So it is catered. It is catered. It's primarily catered to you in all that you are.

Yeah, and everyone's different. But it still will cater to that as subjective truth. It's feeling. No, it's not it is. I've done drugs. I've done hallucinogenic. That's fine. How many times you talked with the fucking hundred people in a room talking about your experience give or take?

I'd say about eighty two percent agree with you a hundred percent. They're not feeling the same thing. I feel. Mmm. You might want to look further into that. Actually, I mean I lived it. That's what that was my teenage years that that that's my experience.

So I understand there's PhDs like like studying this every single day of their life. Well has been when I'm trying to show you though, you know what? I'm trying to show you don't get any respect of credit in the scientific community.

I wonder why that is even though they Chemistry their entire lives for 40 years, right? Okay. So what I'm trying to tell my point is let's not be so arrogant. Or so cowardly what's wrong with their believe that I know what happened before.

Or I know what happened without the Christian worldview. What is wrong with arrogance? Give me an objective justification for why arrogance is a bad thing. That's not your opinion. Give me a reason why yeah, I know.

You can't. No I can't. It only projects the greater good in oneself, what does that matter? Because it adds nothing to what the fuck we are and what the fuck we are is us versus the wolves. We are community were pack animals.

That is exactly why so we're in it matters. So we're animals. Yeah, okay. We fucking are so you believe we came from apes. Yes from the goo to you now. No, not from the fucking good. Well, maybe the pros.

Oh and shit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so let me understand. Explain this to me. Why is their house cats if they're still lions? What does that why is there that's with the overback gorillas if they're still humans.

You're still not addressing. No. No, how is that not addressing the problem exactly as he stated it what he's asking you. No, no, no, what he said it was like, how does that apply to you? How do chimps apply to you if you believe in evolution?

I'm telling you that how is their house cats if they're still lying? Because there is. Okay. No, no, I get it. So if I were to take an evolutionary product and so there's just nothing but blind pitiless indifference in the evolutionary world.

You know, listen, there's I mean, it's we're cosmic broccoli. We're an accident are even consciousness is an accident. So you disagree with most evolution? So I disagree with any God format that human beings have made as if they fucking know.

No, why tell me why it's wrong because I have why does truth matter. That's not actually something you can now know. Why does logic matter objective rule? No, no, why does logic matter? Well, no, can you tell you and objective?

Defines truth, right? Yeah on what you know, you can't touch it. It's like you don't know if you stick your fork into the outlet. It's gonna shock you. I know I do one tells you. Hey, don't do that. That's bad.

Well, I guess what how many people still do it? Well, listen, well, I actually have a just because there's a justification for need of evidence. Well, no, listen. So right I believe that God upholds the universe with the world of is the word of his power.

But it's if he does listen, I can't if he does but again, you can't go. Well, no, no. No, I can't because there's people starving and then people here have to take in a ceiling. What's wrong with people?

You know where all the food is. What's wrong with you know how to communicate with everybody on earth yet? There are still children. Children look me in the eyes. There are children dying tonight. Yes.

Yes, because it's starvation. Yes, people are dying tonight. Due to diabetes. Yeah, the wages of sin is death. Sin has entered the world. It's not a good thing Jesus promises. If all good things come through God, then all bad things must come through God.

Yep, considering that. Yeah, nothing goes through God. Yeah, that's why I quoted Isaiah earlier. He's creates calamity. Oh, you don't like it. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the one who loves you. Yeah, absolutely because he's totally just and righteous.

He sent his son to die on the cross for my sins. So just through belief in him I can have eternal life just like you know, because the gospel is there for you righteous. Yep, and everybody knew about it.

Yeah, Jesus would have had to do that. Absolutely. That's because no eternal God is angry. No, we fucking we sinned against the cosmic God. Jesus came walking down the fucking street right now and we all recognize him to be Jesus.

Well, you wouldn't like him. Not you wouldn't let him in the fucking square. Let's beat their shit out of him and everyone went. You would be the person who'd crucify him will do you know, I wouldn't.

I'd be like no. You said you'd square up with him already he's the one who said no. I swear up with God not his son. No, Jesus is God. No, this is where you're wrong. Jesus in all red letters. Never showed a single sign of egotistical products not fucking one.

No, he's God. Don't tell me that Jesus is God because God said ham is bad. God said shrimp is back. God came back and was like, oh, sorry. No, I can eat. I thought that up. No, you shut the fuck up man.

Like you're fucking ridiculous. You're ridiculous. No, no, it is ridiculous. You want to come back sometime when you're sober? Oh, it would make more sense to you because arguments wouldn't be so like satisfactory.

No, well first I don't think I even have a justification for truth to begin with but I do. I do. I completely you're feeling Jesus is God. He is. Yeah, but God came back and was like nah, no, you don't understand.

But wait, but hold on still practice the old fucking Bible. But pork and shrimp is cool now. Yeah, cuz he's the great high priest and he satisfied the fullness of the law. There's a reason why no. No you Got why they were there.

I know you feel that you live in a fucking noble life and the justice is served. But you're living out of fucking fear. You're living out of you you you both all all living out of fucking fear. I don't I actually don't happen to me if I say you fuck.

Holy shit. No, I love him because he first loved me that's why I guess what happens I still go to the pearly gates. Yes, I fucking do. Yes, I do. Well, I'll be judged by it's not Peter. No, you'd be judged by Jesus not before fucking Peter who is the gardener?

Oh my you guys don't know your own doctor. Okay. Okay, so I'm talking. No. No, so you're saying this that on this rock I will build my church in the gates of hell not prevail against it. You're assuming that Peter is the rock that Jesus is talking about.

The one who guards the pearly fucking gates. That's not one who says yeah, I am I am in no I am in knowing of Jesus. I am in knowing in God. I've been Chosen to guard these gates. It's not in the Bible.

That's not the Bible man. If it's not read it again boys We're reading in over again. Please tell me where okay. Okay. All right. Let's say I follow it say I die right the fuck now. Yes, who is meeting me at the pearly gates?

You're gonna stand before God Jesus before whom Jesus Says first comes death then comes the judgment Hebrews chapter 9. You're gonna stand right before Jesus. It's Jesus. Jesus is before Jesus. All right.

No, no, you're gonna stand before God who is Jesus. Jesus is the one that's not what the old doctrine says at all. Jesus is the one who sent Satan to Job. Do you not realize that? Do you not know that?

That was Jesus then Jesus is a fucking cunt to see I know you reject the God. Yes, I do. Who the fuck would they do that to if they love them? How can you give me a justification for what's wrong when you deny the God because I am creating God's image I know love.

Okay, so you borrow my worldview in order to make a truth claim, even though you reject I already told you I was fucking born into an LDS church a Christian family, but you don't believe it anymore rejected.

Yes. Be consistent parts of that that you want to that's not the point you're trying to make the point you're trying to make no you're Borrowing from our world. God is real and everything. No, listen, okay.

Well, you're fucking will if you didn't borrow from my worldview. You couldn't have an argument if you were consistent in your own worldview. You can't tell me that he's even bad. You're borrowing from my worldview.

Oh.