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And welcome to the dividing line don't freak out as rich just was yes, there is a monitor missing because This this poor little

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Mac right here. Oh Wait a minute the time changed.

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All right, it may yet live Upgrade woes or Baptist change.

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Yeah. Why would we change? Yeah Yeah, well This one upgrades the

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Yosemite just fine my my regular Mac it was it was just a few minutes it was boom boom boom but this is my oldest

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MacBook Pro over here, and it's It's struggling Captain she can't take much more of this

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That's that's exactly right to go when I was designed They weren't thinking about this stuff, but it went from 22 minutes to 21 minutes.

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It only took 10 minutes, but Figure it out there. It will be done by tomorrow.

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Maybe so I just decided I don't know why I just decided to hook this monitor up to this one

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So I wouldn't be always looking over here because the cameras are over there. So that's and I just moved it

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It's not out of the studio. It's okay. Everything's cool So how many of you heard my guest appearance on the line of fire a few minutes ago, uh, well as an hour ago, um,

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I Was sitting at my I was sitting my desk Mind mind my own business and Michael hadn't written to me

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He didn't they didn't tell me that he was gonna be playing I mean, he had like 16 18 clips from the program queued up ready to go.

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So And uh, so Dale Valente comes in the channel and he had been on the previous hour.

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Did you know that? Yes, he had been on line of fire the previous hour to talk about Alan's big into the pre -wrath stuff, you know, he he and I don't debate

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Eschatology because I don't debate eschatology and so on so forth But he was on and so he comes in says well

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Michael's talking about you on his program right now, really So I uh,

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I fired up the the feed and started listening to it and eventually got the idea I should record this and I and I did at least the part of it that there was there was and eventually,

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I thought you know what I need to call in because There's just stuff being said here and so I called in and we talked the last eight minutes of the program basically so he definitely wants to do a

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Debate on this stuff and I'm like, yeah, okay.

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All right. Well, whatever Maybe maybe I'm finally gonna be forced to actually You know study eschatology

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At least that aspect of it So, you know, oh great now, it's back to 22 minutes

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It's going backwards I Feel sorry for it.

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It's sitting over there struggling. There's smoke coming out. It's it's a Mac. It can be assimilated It will be assimilated.

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I hope yes, but anyway I'll talk about that stuff in a moment because I also discovered that Derek Frank the author of this really really really bad book

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Um Responded to me on Facebook. Did you know this? Did you read it? Oh, I haven't seen it and I would like to respond to it because it's um

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Really interesting, but there's a couple things I need to get to first Remember oh,

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I don't know how many years ago it was we played the debate that Michael Brown did with the guy who was the head of the

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HRC human Rights campaign remember that it was a very interesting debate and We commented at the time

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What an interesting? Title to use for a pro -homosexual organization human rights campaign

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So a lot of you know that pastor

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Scott Lively has Well the human rights campaign remember in fact,

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I think Didn't we show it? Oh, this could be interesting if I fire this up fire up desktop presenter and and let's see if it if it

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Well, why is it It's working

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All right. Hold on just a second Let me see if I can even if I can even find this Because it was so long ago

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You know, it's funny it it it did cross -reference it in my Thing here here wait,

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I've got an Evernote and No, it didn't here. Oh There it is.

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There it is. Oh, I love it work chat Is that what

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I wanted There it is, there it is I'm going to I'm going to change this to Evernote Do you have that?

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Okay, here is See see this we showed this before now this thing go away.

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Ah, thank you The export of of hate can we throw it up there?

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Hang on that's sort of tough to do when we're live here I can give you all a an update on the

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Yosemite installation. Oh backwards a minute again Poor thing

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Well, well

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Um About now, well, that's interesting.

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Well, it's um, I Don't I don't know why there's there's an issue with it because I'm just giving you given what

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I've Got right there Evernote untitled note should be there

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But anyways, the Human Rights Commission put out this it's really interesting to look at but I can see it but you can't

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The export of hate Human rights campaign remember and it was this yellow and white and black and they use these

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Wild pictures of people and it tried to make it look There we go Not my fault

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Who's number one? There it is Scott Lively there he is there's there's number one

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With quotes and and everything. I mean boy. He is just the

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The worst and there's Benjamin Buller after is there his there's there's Scott lively. Okay, that's they put out that's

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That's what we're talking about here. All right Okay, well so you can take that out now

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News today HRC founder faces charges of sex abuse of a minor

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Terry being a wealthy 66 year old real estate developer who has been prominent in the

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Democratic Party as This note this article says he has reportedly given more than 1 million the human rights campaign been lauded by the news media as the top money raiser in the state the president

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Obama and Described by the president as a great friend and supporter Yes, Terry Bean Was arrested

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Wednesday in Portland, Oregon and Scott lively of defend the family explains why that's significant

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Terry Bean was a founder of the human rights campaign the largest most aggressive homosexual advocacy organization probably in the world

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At least the United States and he was just arrested for pederasty which of course is man -boy sex

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In this particular case police say 15 year old boy was involved in the incidents allegedly occurred in 2013 according news reports

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Bean will be charged with two counts of sodomy in the third degree of felony and sex abuse in the third degree of misdemeanor

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Lively feels vindicated because human rights campaigns named him public enemy number one Based on his strong stance traditional marriage and against the homosexual lifestyle

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But he also stresses that there's a link between homosexuality and boys and he says it's a fact.

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Yes it is I've documented my research that pederasty is really at the core of male homosexual culture explains Not that every homosexual man is engaged in it

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But that it's always been a part of an essential theme of male homosexuality beans arrest comes after a five -month investigation of allegations of secret video recordings in beans bedroom in Just a few days for a major human rights campaign fundraiser in Boston so the founder of HRC arrested and accused of pederasty sex abuse of a minor

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I wonder You know HRC is A cultural terrorist organization.

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They really are they go after They go after all the big

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Corporations demanding that they you know promote homosexuality and do all that stuff and Their founder very rich man

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Now now arrested. I think that is I think it's important along the same line there is a

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Petition being circulated well Online petition petitions, you know petitions used to be a tough thing to do.

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You had to go find people, you know I mean you had to stand out in the Sun in Phoenix outside post offices and things like that now it's just click click click click click and Thousands signed petition to cancel

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TLC's 19 kids and counting over what? The fact that the stars are

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Christians, of course and as it says here over stars anti -lgbt sentiments now remember today just just write it down Anti -lgbt means you do not celebrate what we celebrate

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If you do not celebrate homosexuality if you do not celebrate coming out if you do not

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Celebrate the profaning of marriage then you're anti -lgbt It's not enough.

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It's not even enough for people anymore to say. Well, they can do whatever they want. No, no, no, no That's anti -lgbt You must celebrate you must say it's good.

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It's a positive moral thing or you're bad and So now there's a petition to cancel the

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Duggars And they're 19 kids and counting program because they happen to be

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Christians now interestingly enough. I did see a tweet from and I I don't have

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I Don't even have tweet bot installed on this machine because I was also using on this one. So maybe next time too but I Saw on Twitter this morning.

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I saw Janet Mefford linked to a counter Counter petition which you can you can probably find fairly easily as well, but just more of the example

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That what is being demanded of us? is absolute celebration You must promote it.

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You've got you we've all got to be on the same page and it's all got to be good There's no room anymore at all for believing that it's negative that it's that it's destructive of of Life and and it's against God's creative.

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No, no, no, you're not you're not allowed to do any of those things Yeah As someone in channel just said

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Tolerance diversity unless your opinion is diverse from ours then no tolerance for you. That's that's exactly

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We all see it's all around us. The hypocrisy is shocking. We've moved two minutes the right direction we're at 19 minutes now and How long have we been that?

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It's been about 19 minutes. That's it was at 22 minutes. But anyway, it's trying it's trying

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Give it credit It's it's working it is it's is. All right.

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I'm thankful to whoever it was. I'm sorry I don't have I put this in Evernote and I don't have my stuff is

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Today, so I don't have as much screen Space as normal. So I normally would say who linked me to this but or try to say who linked me to this but evidently

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Derek Frank Visionary Receiver of Revelation The are you all ready to have this put in the 28th book in the

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New Testament? Because again, I read this Derek and Francois met in Jerusalem early 1980s where Francois had been working as a nurse this started a partnership.

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Oh, wait a minute There it is. Sorry wrong section this started

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Derek's quest for Revelation inspired over two decades by visions words of knowledge and Study notice what came last?

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As he gradually uncovered one of the greatest deceptions of all time the conspiracy to cover up the church's true relationship with Israel So you have revelation?

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inspired over two decades of by visions

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Words of knowledge aren't those all supposed to be from the Holy Spirit so I Mentioned last time you cannot argue with someone

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Whose primary foundation is Their personal visions their personal revelations.

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I gave an example GA rippling er now we have The response from Derek Frank now remember this is a book and The funny thing is

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Michael I know you're gonna hear this. I know you're gonna hear this. Hopefully even watch it.

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You've just got To give on this one point because I've got you.

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There's there's no way around this I have pointed out and I would imagine

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Michael is wishing about now that he had looked at the footnotes. I pointed out that this

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Book, which just follows the film or vice versa will give citations of Luther and Calvin and The references to a book go read it's sort of like read my book

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You know, it's George Bryson all over again read my book Now Michael would never accept

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Matthew Vines Writing about him writing about well

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Michael Brown said and then when you look at the footnote the footnote is to a queer thing happened in America Period next footnote.

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You'd never accept that you'd criticize that and properly so because you want people to be able to go to the original source and read it in context and If the quote is correct, someone looked it up and there was a page number right there

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And it's just simply a matter of laziness To not write that down, right?

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When you start teaching students in about sixth grade in my experience my history

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Maybe it's later now. I hope not but when you start teaching people to write papers

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You're supposed to give a reference that is accessible So someone can look so someone can go

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I want to see where they said that I want to I want to read the paragraphs before and I want to read the paragraphs after and that's a good and proper thing and this book does not do that and I wonder at times whether it's because the author sort of figures.

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Look God's given this stuff to me. You can't question it Yeah, I got it out of the book and you're supposed to trust me

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I Hope that's not why but I'm starting to wonder given this response But the fact the matter is

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Michael. I've got you on this because you just you can say well, it's in other books Michael You know that Matthew Vines Borrowed from Brownson Is it proper for Matthew to say

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I don't I don't really need to give you the references because Brownson's done the work.

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It's out there. This book doesn't even say go read Michael Brown's book Well, we're not gonna give you the references go read

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Michael Brown's it doesn't even do that So on that level, there's just there's just no excuse.

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There's no excuse for that No It doesn't it doesn't it doesn't have to be a work of scholarship it isn't

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If you put it in print and you say such -and -such a person said such -and -such a thing it is incumbent on basic levels of honesty to reference it

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Did anyone really argue that? I'm not gonna argue it anymore because it's self -evident and And what can you say what can you say?

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All right So I was directed to Derek Frank's response to me and Here's what it says

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The fact that dr. White seems so rattled by escaping. Oh, thank you.

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I didn't even try to do that Wait a minute, hold on. Oh I'm wondering if I can if I can make it bigger so that it will be more readable.

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Oh Well, I didn't know we're gonna be doing this but watch this did it did he did he did he did he to commercial wing and It's now more readable

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We're still learning all the fun technology we have here Okay, the fact that dr.

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White seems so rattled by escaping the Great Deception and so unable or unwilling

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To engage with the theses of the book is quite a reverse compliment now Mr.

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Frank I've been doing this for a few years We look like we're pretty close to the same age

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I would say but I've been dealing with folks who

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You know had their various arguments and little things they're coming along with for a long time now and When they start off with this type of argument, you know that the rest isn't gonna be much better Because I wasn't rattled by it

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I found it to be extremely shallow and misleading on many points

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That doesn't mean I was rattled And Exactly.

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What theses of the book was I unable or unwilling to engage with I pointed out that you?

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misdefined Terms such as replacement theology supersessionism fulfillment theology never engaged a

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Meaningful understanding of the actual issues, which is the positive teaching of the nature of What was true

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Israel in In the Old Testament in the Tanakh itself Who are the true children of Abraham?

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Always been by faith always been by faith that the point is your book

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Doesn't deal with the real issue. That's that was my point. So it's miss its misdirection

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To even to even try to make this kind of a statement in Dr. White's lengthy diatribe

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He asserts his views through what seems like a locked on position and a locked on process.

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What does that mean? What what is a locked on position and a locked on process?

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I'm sorry, what is locked on mean? I know what that means. If you're flying a an f -35

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What what is that what does that mean in this context his position is that of replacement theology

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And did I not repeatedly say that's a fraudulent statement. I did

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I did but evidently you know Again if you repeat it, hey

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You shot down. I wash rinse repeat. I think what you have here is an inability or unwillingness to engage and Did I not say that everybody heard me say that so you're all going why would he say that well because His parameters because he's been given these visions

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They determine it for everybody else and we just have to fit in Um His position is that I've replaced with theology in his process.

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Is that of an academic church historian and apologist? I guess that's the locked in because locked on position is probably should be locked in position is

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I hold a different view than he does and Okay, so so You can misidentify it if you want.

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That's up to you I mean as long as you're as you're willing and honest to say well I'm gonna call your position replacement theology despite the fact that you reject that despite the fact that at the center of your theology is the continuity of this covenant of grace and that it's always been by faith and That your entire exegesis of Romans 9 which you've given for years and years and years and years

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Completely refutes my entire position in my entire use. I'm still gonna do it as long as you're honest and say that that's good

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That's cool. Yeah, that's all right. We're not talking to the same people. Anyways, so that's okay

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Academic church historian and apologist. Well, I Carl Truman is an academic historian.

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Okay I've taught church history, but that's not my primary focus

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Apologist is he appears to have little faculty for operating outside this position and process thank you and You know if you're gonna talk about people's faculties sir, may

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I suggest that what you've produced Does not speak well as to the depth and length of what you've studied that's all

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I can say And I gave you reasons for that and I would just suggest people compare

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What I've produced is what you've produced I think it's I think it's a fair thing I'll leave that the audience However, neither the book nor the film were written for academics

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But were intentionally produced to enable everyday non academic believers to engage with the most crucial issue of God's ongoing purposes for Israel So wait a minute

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Um This is something I've lived by for a long time when you

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Respond to a position you respond to the best That position has to offer and if you are

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Respond to the best that position has to offer Then your response will also deal with the less

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Advanced examples of it and so When you say that the film was not written for academics

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Then why do you address people like John Calvin and Martin Luther who were heavily engaged in academics?

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you're saying that a Certain understanding of the relationship of the church in Israel is a satanic deception you're accusing me of promoting a satanic deception and so Are you telling me that that argument just can't get up to that level or that you're just not up to doing that yourself

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Or it just wasn't your purpose. You just want to be able to make that kind of accusation Against other people against people who claim to be

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Christians Without providing the necessary Backup back, you know fat grounding an argumentation.

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Is that what you're saying? I know the book wasn't intended for academics. You're not an academic The film is not written on that level.

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There's there's no question about that But you did make claims about studying history now, it was jumbled together with these visions and and Revelation and all the rest this kind of stuff that a lot of us go okay, no, thank you for that, but You tied it together yourself

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Are you saying that it should not be examined on that level or it's just not gonna give a defense for it

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Hence the docudrama style the film the shortness of the book and the prioritized in 163 scripture references given the end notes wherever heard that one before Dave Hunt I Gave all those

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Bible verses if you don't exegete the Bible verses It doesn't matter that you're citing the Bible verses anybody can cite

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Bible verses Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses any of atheists can cite Bible verses That's easy to do

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Exegeting them handling them consistently different issue different issue

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But Prioritizing the 163 scripture references given in the end notes does not explain anything

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The aim was to lead those who have openness toward the humble conviction only the

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Holy Spirit can bring Rather than to employ academic and wordy argument now, we all know what's being said here

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If you disagree with me, you're just giving academic and wordy argument.

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I Am giving you the Holy Spirit. It sounds so spiritual

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Um Every false teachers done that I can't tell you how many times

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I've sat down the more missionary. Well, you know I'm just here to let the Spirit lead and let the

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Spirit speak and Yeah, you know, it was just a couple years ago I was actually in a meeting with some more missionaries and a guy who was converting to Mormonism We were sitting right in front of the pulpit in a

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Mormon Ward Chapel. That's exactly what they said We're not here for Academic and wordy argument we're not we're not gonna argue and so on and so forth, you know

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We're just here for folks who who are you know, open to the Spirit and sensitive to the

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Spirit, you know Yeah, that's that that's Sounds so good Sounds so good

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But The Holy Spirit is called and it's funny I have to point this out to Mormons all the time.

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The Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of truth and If the

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Holy Spirit is Leading us into truth. We will actually be able to verify that truth when it touches upon that which can be verified by academic or scholarly examination right

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The spoiler mistake.

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Dr. White makes is to override if not despise the use made of prophecy and divisions through which so much of Scripture and Revelation came to catch that I Guess I need to have this bound after Revelation now, right?

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Cuz he just claimed that's what he just said Did he not say that he just Claimed the same kind of Revelation and prophecy that brought about Scripture brings about this.

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I Reject that mr. Frank. You are not inspired by the Holy Spirit of God to give us

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Scripture And if you want to try to claim the same level then why aren't you trying to get this canonized

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Wow, the big giveaway is this challenge. Do you think this is rational reasonable thinking is this rational for him reason is the final

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Yardstick wherever the Holy Spirit often has to offend our minds in order to lead us into truth.

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We did not previously understand folks that Michael I'm sorry. Sorry gonna have to be clear here

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For years, I've heard this argumentation Mooney's Mormons every cult on the planet every guy that's got his new visions and trying to hawk his new stuff

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Says the same thing When they cannot back up what they're saying from the exegesis of the inspired scripture, that's what you get every single time

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I Can't tell you how many times I get phone calls For people coming down the same pipe

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Yeah I have to talk to James White God has just spoken to me and he has a message for James and I've got to speak

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To him and my answer is well, he didn't tell me so give me a call back when he does because if he does you'll know

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Yeah Mr. Frank If you don't teach from the

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Word of God If you cannot handle the Word of God, all right If you do not speak in accordance with the

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Apostles of Jesus Christ The Apostles and prophets I have no interest in what you have to say

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I've heard enough of the visions and dreams If it's from God, it will be consistent with the

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Word of God You don't take your visions and dreams and make it the lens through which you interpret scripture

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Do you think this is reasonable the rational reasonable thinking is this rational? Well, I would like to know what

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I was specifically referring to. I was probably referring to misdefining historical

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Movements statements and positions. Do you think the spirit would lead you to misdefine things to be untruthful to to twist history man,

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I would hope not but how would you know if it's your ultimate authority and man, this is getting us right down to the

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Fundamental issue of what the ultimate authority is and You can talk all you want about believing in sola scriptura

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That's not sola scriptura That is not sola scriptura

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This man is claiming To have a level of revelation that is scriptural in its nature

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That's bad stuff. Holy Spirit often has to offend our minds in order to lead us into the truth hmm fascinatingly

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Dr. White's position and process leads him into overtly declaring one of the classic error inconsistencies of replacement theology

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This is that beyond the human rights the Jewish people to live in their homeland The modern state of Israel has no significance in God's sight

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This then means that the apparent fulfilling of the Old Testament prophecies of the great return to the land Which precedes their return to the

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Lord is just a random coincidence Random coincidence this is another of the great issues

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Evidently from this perspective There is only two possibilities. You're either gonna be deceived by Satan Or you could be a

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Christian Zionist. There is no middle ground There is no middle ground No, there's no openness to any even a consideration

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You either are going to be a person who for theological rather than political reasons supports

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Israel Now I support Israel because Israel is for political reasons it's a

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It's a democracy. It gives freedom to its people. It has a right to exist It has been attacked.

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I mean, I see the stuff that the Muslims are putting it is blind Bigotry on an on an animalistic level.

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It's shocking to me the stuff that I see just Unbelievable, but when

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I look at Israel Don't you dare try to tell me that that primarily unreligious

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Unregenerate state is Logically demanded construct from the

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Bible Wow, really Seriously that fulfills

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Coming back in the land. You want to take me to Jeremiah like you do there You want to talk about the covenant written upon the heart don't even start to go there

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Wow. Oh my goodness and Then you know furthermore

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God's promised Israel love them as an entire nation with everlasting love love Why don't you engage?

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Paul's own argument in Romans 9 Theology does matter I guess even here, huh?

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What was the what was the everlasting promise to? Keturah's sons, sir.

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I Missed that in in here. How about Keturah's sons?

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Offspring of Abraham, right? Yeah Ishmael But what about him, oh you mean

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God had the freedom to Direct the line according to his promise.

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Oh Wow, that's interesting So this some this everlasting love

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You don't see that fulfilled in the people who are the children of Abraham by faith today

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It seems to be Paul's entire argument in Romans and Galatians Mmm, no, no, you're not allowed to go there.

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I love to go there Once you start going this route you undermine any confidence

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We can have in the promises and character of God that we draw from the Old Testament baloney

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Knee baloney That is absurd on a level that's difficult for me to even comprehend you don't understand the position you're calling a satanic deception and this proves it and You don't seem to care about it because of your visions and open the door to the full sweep of errors

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Inconsistencies of replacement theology of escaping the great deception lists out on pages 81 through 85. You just don't get it

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You are not listening You have had no interest in listening and if the Spirit gave you those visions he'd give you accurate visions, sir, but he hasn't

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Know what? Dr. White also makes a number of other mistakes and misrepresentations even beyond declaring their exegesis was based on the

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New York Times You remember that? Do you remember me saying anything about that?

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I Don't know what he's referring to Is that is that like saying, you know modern, you know looking at newspaper accounts?

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Of Israel or something maybe maybe that's what he's referring to. I I don't know Not least that everyday believers are fully aware of the history of anti -semitism that goes back to the early centuries of the church.

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I Said that I said that I teach that in all of my classes and have from the beginning

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And I have said that actually people are ignorant of church history, so what are you talking about?

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Very few actually know about it all let alone understand the consequence of not addressing it at the Reformation Had on the

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Protestant gospel as it has come down to us today. Here's where it gets really serious because Evidently part of the thesis of the film is the gospel itself

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One of the things that talks about is that the Protestant gospel is is a perversion.

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It's it's it's not complete that this personal emphasis of the gospel which he alleges is

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Part of the reason for that is because of this quote -unquote replacement theology now again

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Because he doesn't engage any of the original sources in any meaningful fashion

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I mean if he spent years doing this it would have been easy to do this It wouldn't have taken much effort, but he doesn't do it

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Doesn't do it Um Very few actually know about it all

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Is it true that very few actually know about the the statements made about the Jews by early church writers?

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That's what I said. I Said that when I teach church history, I let people know about things like that I talked about the division between the synagogue and the church.

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I talked about the effects that it had Origins allegorical interpretation the closing of the

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Old Testament in the sense of it's it's it's basic utter lack of access to the people

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Talked about all that stuff So since I also say that people don't know much about church history, how can you even come up with I don't know

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But The impact the consequence it had on the Protestant gospel.

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I really wonder what he means by that Also to understand that God still has continuing purpose for Israel into which we who are

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Gentiles are grafted means that we automatically become extreme Christian Zionists who think the nation can do no wrong and Jewish non -believers don't need to be led to their

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Messiah. I never said that Where did I say that I mentioned

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Christian Zionism I Mentioned that there there are people that say it's you're either there or you're you're satanically deceived

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Word I say Jewish non -believers don't need to be led to the Messiah. I never said it. Obviously I never said it everybody who listened to this program knows

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I never said it But perhaps most of all that if we have a faith in Messiah, we cannot be deceived at any level

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What? Satan's end time strategy is deceived even the elect and given the New Covenant was promised only to Israel And that the one we look to as Messiah was totally

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Jewish and came to the Jewish people We were well advised to invite the Holy Spirit's revelation about any deception

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We may have over the ongoing place of Israel including a nation in God's purpose I don't understand half of that.

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But what I do understand is that when you say that the The New Covenant was promised only to Israel now.

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We've got a problem because the book of Hebrews punches you in the nose Unless you recognize who the true

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Israel is Now you're stuck Now you're stuck otherwise if only by default

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Now this I I wrote and I asked for clarification And I'm gonna put this on a screen so you can don't have to have that there

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Oh Great the new thing here

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Hate when they do a show Favorites bar. There we are.

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Why would they hide that? I'm gonna see if I can

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I can't get into Facebook great Because this has the old all the old stuff in it, and I don't even know what the login is.

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So anyway, um, I Asked on Facebook didn't get an answer before the program started and I can't get into this because it just updated

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What do you mean by this when you say this last sentence

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Otherwise, if only by default we may also end up endorsing the type of anti -semitism.

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Dr. White appeared to At the start of his critique of escaping the Great Deception Now that's a horrible sentence.

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It's been badly written What it seems to be saying is that I endorsed a type of anti -semitism and so I asked is that what you're saying and If so, would you like to actually back that up because I consider them to be fighting words now

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Maybe it's just you know, you saw it in a vision that I was endorsing anti -semitism

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But it is a lie sir, and I demand you either back it up or withdraw it with an apology.

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Thank you Appreciate that So there's um, there's

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Derek Frank's response And like I said, you know if we were to actually try to dialogue about this, what's it all gonna come down to?

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if we try to do exegesis and I go well, let's

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Let's look at what Lima means in the original language and let's let's look at what it translates

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From the Old Testament Michael and I can do that and and and we would

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I don't think Derek Frank would even go there In fact, I believe he would simply identify that as some type of academic stonewalling and Unwillingness to be humble and listen to the

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Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit speaking through his visions Speaking through Derek Frank, I think that's why you have the picture on the front of Derek Frank Walking through a door into the light

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Dressed as neo When you've got that kind of mindset going,

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I don't know how you can really reason with someone like that. I Really don't I really don't so interesting stuff interesting stuff on the program today

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I'll be interested in seeing if any I I would I'd like to know

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Can you log into my Facebook account You're working on see if there's anything a little updatey thing

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That says someone responded to me and my comment on that Because I'd like to know and I'll get it fixed on this side eventually

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And I'll have I think it has the right login stuff on this one which actually is

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Doing something It may survive good job good job little thing

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But we'll see if if you find something let me know because I think that would be interesting to bring folks attention if there has been some clarification of What was what was said?

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What people are probably throwing stuff at me On Twitter and stuff right now.

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Sorry I Computer issues, I don't have tweet bot installed on this and I can't do it while sitting here talking with you either and so I Just can't bring that stuff up.

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So I apologize. That's just the way it is Okay, he didn't reply directly

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I checked unless they messaged you privately which I wouldn't see anyways look it's the login screen

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Ooh, let's see if it still knows my password Who knows

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I might be able to get Twitter up on this since it has tweet bot on it.

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Well, we'll see Wow, that was that was close that was that was very very close.

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All right We'll just have to let that go until the next time and I've only got two programs next week and then gone for two weeks.

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Anyways, and Definitely will not be able to be doing programs from from Kiev or or Berlin Okay, I won't say absolutely that's impossible but and unlikely let's just put that way

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There was one other thing I wanted to say and believe it or not Believe it or not

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Red goatee just reminded me of it and I shouldn't

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I shouldn't admit that I really should not admit that but Red goatee actually

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Now, why is a accordance throwing me a curve here? Don't throw me curves.

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Thank you. I don't I don't want some other workspace I want my workspace. Thank you very much There was one thing

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I did want to address and I Think I think it's important Hello keyboard, well, uh,

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I wanted to bring up a text in the Bible and Notice what

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I'm doing here This is this is interesting. Well, I can type up there but accordance will not allow me to Do anything to enter a reference which

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Live by technology die by technology, I suppose I could actually, you know, there's there are some Bibles over here

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I'm refiring it back up when I first started listening to the line of fire today

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What Michael was talking about was comments that I made about the ed young senior or young the first or whatever stuff and Let's see if this works now works now

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Basically what he was saying was Could ed young have used a better nuance and what he was saying

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Well, I don't know because I like everybody else in the planet pretty much didn't hear the sermon.

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It's been pulled The few clips that I heard on the news report and of course they were looking for specific statements about the

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Jews I Distrust copy editors and news people.

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I would not want to trust Someone taking my sermons and taking clips out of it that works in a news department someplace

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But I did not hear a single thing he said That was in any way shape or form unbiblical.

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Are we not allowed to say? That sinners are

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Vile in the sight of a holy God Or do Jews just get a special pass on that well they do now

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You see I know something about church history and I know that especially in Europe there are certain sections of the

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Bible that you You can't preach anymore You cannot preach within the context of Of European society

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Matthew chapter 23. Remember what happened in the passion movie?

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They cut out the section Quotation from Matthew his blood be upon us because of the abuse of that material

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In the history of the Holocaust and it was abused But again, anything can be abused

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Everything has been abused Look at the abuse of Jesus's parables by the

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Inquisition for example, should we stop preaching them because terrible horrible things happen because people abuse

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Scripture I mean think for a moment What if what

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Ed Young was saying was true? Listen to this text of Scripture and realize that in most of modern theology in in Europe You would never be allowed to preach on this text if you're an academic and Pastoring a church you would have to make sure to avoid this in your preaching first Thessalonians chapter 2

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Few brethren became imitators the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea Where you also endure the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen even as they did from the

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Jews Who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and drove us out they are not pleasing to God but hostile to all men

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Hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved with result that they always fill up the measure of their sins

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But wrath has come upon them to the utmost How do you nuance that?

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How do you nuance that or do you just simply avoid it? Is this the

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Anustos or is it no longer the Anustos? You have to think these things through and I Could go to so many other texts

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Where a divine truth in the history of the church has been completely corrupted,

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I mean Go out the highways and byways compel them to come in Augustine used that to substantiate the use of state force to suppress the

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Donatus Was he wrong to do that? Of course, he was wrong to do that. Did Donatus suffer as a result?

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not only did Donatus suffer as a result and Augustine would be accountable for the

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Donatus who suffered that he knew would as a result of his position but completely beyond his knowledge

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That then became central To the substantiation of the idea later on in the

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Inquisition That state force could be used to suppress heresy and we know what that resulted in there are in the

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Waldenses All those people that suffered horribly under the

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Inquisition should we not mention this text because they have people that have descended from them and They might be offended by that Or do we say here's what

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Jesus actually meant here is the actual application Here is a historical statement that Paul gives

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About the leaders of the Jewish people that is absolutely Consistent with Matthew chapter 23 and what ends up resulting in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 so Do you do you not do not put that in context?

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Do you not preach that there were Jewish leaders that were absolutely Consumed and their hatred of the

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Christian movement because there were oh But someone might think that that wait a minute.

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Wait a minute It's a historical fact we as human beings are supposed to have the maturity and the

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Capacity to recognize what a historical fact is and not go out and become a mass murderer

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Because we go oh What happened then so now I gotta go do it now

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What when did we lose our minds on this? I don't get it.

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I don't get it. How do you nuance this? You nuance it by exegeting it accurately and by teaching people to think

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With maturity isn't isn't that we're supposed to do aren't we capitulating?

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To the society that's turning us into nothing but animals That cannot think for themselves that cannot aren't we capitulating when we start saying?

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Well, you know You got to be real careful when you're preaching this or when you're preaching that the gospel is offensive

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And once we capitulate to that group, well, then we can't talk about homosexuality. We can't talk about bestiality

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We can't talk about pedophilia. We can't talk about adultery We can't talk about anything because well, the great horrible thing is to offend someone.

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Isn't it funny? Wasn't it Derek Frank that was just saying the Holy Spirit needs to offend our minds teach us the truth

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There you go Well, anyways, um, I Just I don't know where we're going here it's it's frightening to me

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What's what's being said? It really is frightening to me and what it what did I say at the beginning of the last program this is a subject

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There are a lot of subjects actually For some people you can't talk about Calvinism for anything their emotions are

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Their emotions are simply too strong. You cannot you can't get through to him.

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Can't even get the conversation started This is another one of those areas There is a certain people because their background because their traditions

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Can't even go there. Can't even start can't even try and That doesn't mean that You give into it, but it also means that there's some people that no matter how careful you are

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They're gonna hear you saying you can make you can put a thousand caveats on what you're saying

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They will only hear the one thing that offends them they won't hear the caveats they won't hear the nuance They won't hear the

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I'm not saying this. I'm not saying this we saw Derek Frank. I Can say no and he says yes, it's exactly what you're saying

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No matter what you do there's there's no way around it and That's unfortunate.

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That should not be the case amongst Christians. That should not be the case amongst Christians and and if this shows anything sola

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Scriptura sola scriptura Scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith if you don't believe that I'm not gonna have much of a foundation upon which to Discuss things.

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Well, we will be back on Tuesday Lord willing and I was gonna get on to some other things but It's a live webcast when something that just happened.

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We we jumped on it So we will continue on with the various things. We've been looking at and who knows what will happen over The weekend and we will want to be able to respond to that too.