August 7, 2017 Show with Kurt M. Smith on “The Gospel Heritage of Georgia Baptists (1772-1830)”

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Afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron Radio .com. This is Chris Arns and your host of iron sharpens iron wishing you a happy Monday on this seventh day of August 2017 and I am delighted to have returning to the program Kurt M Smith who is an author and pastor of Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama.

Today we are discussing his book the gospel heritage of Georgia Baptists between 1772 and 1830 and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Kurt M Smith.

Thank you, brother Chris. It is good to be back with you.

Providence Reformed Baptist Church and the Georgia Baptist Heritage Debate

Well before we get into the topic at hand tell our listeners about Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama. Amen and this is more controversial than Listeners may think this subject today.

They may be thinking well Georgia and Baptists, it's kind of like Vanilla ice cream with hot fudge on top. I mean, it's it's like a Hot dog with mustard on it. I mean, it doesn't seem to be anything that would be earth-shattering or even fascinating.

But the very fact of the matter is that as you know, and I'm sure you're going to share a bit more about this with our listeners, but there are quite a number of Southern Baptists and and Baptists in general that live in Georgia and live in the Deep South and live in the Bible Belt who are vehemently opposed to the theology not only Embraced by you personally, but by Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama.

That they think is not only unbiblical and heretical, but they think it is not even historic nor Even connected in any meaningful way to Baptists and even Baptists in the South and even Baptists in Georgia.

So if you could just comment on that statement, I just made yeah.

30 it was to use to use some of their terms it set out in 2010 what they really did believe theologically. Confessionally, and of course to do that you do you got to go back to what we did. We went to Mercer University and many largest that's five years to write and preached and pray.

And of course there was the what we what we discovered. 400 churches. Baptist churches, I'm assuming you're referring to. Either the first or second London Confession, well what they used was okay. In the year of 1790 put together what would be there officially have printed among these eight article prompted the right was the annihilate Propagated by those Baptist churches.

And then on the other front there was actually a pastor among those early Georgia back From defrocking was embracing Arminian the used now just so our audience or our listeners in our audience. Who?

May be new Christians or they may just be unfamiliar with the tension that exists and has existed for centuries Between those that would identify themselves as either Calvinists or reformed or sovereign grace believing Christians and those that would Either just say that they were opposed to that or they might even a minority would actually Consistent consistently identify themselves as Arminians or Wesleyan Arminians.

But the tension would it not involve the fact that There are Christians who think wrongly that because of the truth that That reformed Christians or Calvinists teach The truths I should say that God has elected a certain number of people before the foundation of the world to be his children to be Become Christians to be added to the body of Christ that he has unconditionally elected them And them alone and has bypassed The rest of humanity who will die in their sins Willfully die in their sins.

And that Christ died to atone or to redeem those people alone To pay for the sins of those people alone because his atonement was perfect and complete and therefore actually accomplished What he had intended his death to provide on Calvary It saved every single person for whom he died.

Therefore the the those outside of that system of belief including many, Georgia Baptists or many Southern Baptists.

Would.

Wrongly conclude from those truths that People that Christians are not going to evangelize the lost with passion. They will not seek out every individual That comes providentially in their path to give them the gospel of hope the only hope for eternal life.

That we will somehow treat people differently who perhaps are living in open rebellion against Christianity. We will think of them as hopeless causes if they are not already showing signs of life. Perhaps forever or perhaps they're in some Non-christian religion and we will totally just abandon all hope for these people.

Those are the wrong conclusions that they derive from truths that I mentioned earlier.

Is that really where the tension is he redeemed to be every country in every nation? Because of you need to be a guarantee. Yes, and.

And when you said that Evangelism and or evangelistic and missionary efforts To a Calvinist. They are a guaranteed success. That doesn't mean that That will come about quickly. Nor does it mean that will that will?

That will be demonstrated in massive amounts of converts. That's right. That just means that for The Calvinist he knows that there are Intellect people as is promised in the book of Revelation and other places from out of every tribe and tongue and people in nation.

So he knows that they're out there somewhere.

Yeah, and it's a church planter in.

You know, what do you mean by continuing Baptist?

What I mean by continuing Baptist established. There they never actually okay. Okie-dokie Baptist Church, which is in a place called Appaline, Georgia, and it's the last of these lessons. Let me read to you from looking about and by the way.

You can give all five lessons if you'd like to. That's up to you.

Daniel Marshall, Calvinism, and Evangelism

The theology of true historic Calvinism be the case on common slander against Calvinism and Daniel Marshall is certainly one case. Let us remember He held to the essential wrong convictions will spire to reach every person.

That God is eternal redemptive purpose Evangelism bringing his elect to the church. We therefore preach the garden. Once said of so many that will be saved says one then why do you preach? That is why we preach.

If there are so many fish to be taken in the net I will go and catch some of it because many are ordained to be caught. I spread my nets with eager Expectation. I never could see why that should rip.

Amen.

It's it awaken us to energy that God has a people will shall be brought through. Historic. Calvinism is not the killer of evangelism and missions But it is rather what emboldens us to go out and proclaim Christ to all men everywhere With this assurance from our Lord Jesus Christ himself.

All the father gives me seven. Amen. However. Underlining this blessed promise is a searching question for every Christian. He would be Calvinistic Knowing that all of evangelism and bold and delights to all men.

The point is while believers may be evangelical Calvinist in their confession in hypercal. May God therefore use Daniel Marshall as both a model and a witness to preach Christ to all men With the undergirding confidence that God will save his elect to the praise of the glory of his grace.

Amen. And.

Isn't that proven out From history and even get going up to the modern day to to our present day that Statistically and What is commonly known according to what is commonly known. Many reformed and Calvinistic missionaries are not only much more patient when they go out into a foreign mission field where the the population is Seems to be hardened towards Christianity.

There is a historic Fact that those Calvinistic missionaries knowing that God has promised That his people are from out of every tribe and tongue and people in nation They are more patient to see The seeds that they planted and watered a bear bear fruit from God himself that they are laboring in those lands perhaps for longer periods of time Before either abandoning those efforts or perhaps they even remain there until they they die.

Because not only are they more person more known for persevering in this but the Churches and organizations that send them out who also believe in the doctrines of grace are more patient with them as well.

Yeah, we know on the Lord that he's gonna choose. Let me add to that. For every for every local church and this even sovereignty of God revealed in Scripture is the Lord is Revelation 3 7. It's the Lord who oh and he closes or see this.

We understand this and we do our ministry based about God if in fact another one of those lessons. It speaks directly to this matter as well. We preach the gospel. We must always be aware in whom gives the increase and I go on to explain that as they think about the circumstances in which Daniel Marshall preached the gospel.

Were they really favorable to ushering people into God's kingdom? What we have seen from Marshall's life was a culture Marshall faced as we do at our own. He faced hearts whenever he ministered. He even encountered a religion in early America that had the faith multiple new churches across the South.

There's only one explanation. This trip to the first lesson as Daniel Marshall preached in the power of the Spirit God worked that same power in the hearts of the people which produced genuine conversions but the big point here is That it was God alone who gives flesh to the reality that God does not delight in the legs of a man.

He is not dependent on human talent or ingenuity. But on his own determination to build his church and to use whatever instruments he desires. He must not put competence in the flesh to build the church.

What we do is preach and pray. Knowing and resting in the fact that God in his way and in his timing will give the increase bringing greater light to this truth Roger Ellsworth mused. This understanding we are inclined to think the minister is responsible for the increase.

This thinking has practically turned our churches and people as stock as boards of directors and the minister is the chief executive officer.

Wow.

Growing large prestigious churches that they have actually encouraged the business the ministers during the gospel. Some will be more adept at playing man.

Church Growth Pragmatism and the Danger of Unregenerate Membership

Well, that is a profound statement and I'm going to have you pick up where we left off when we return from our station break. If anybody would like to join us on the air our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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And by the way Brother Kurt, I forwarded an email with a question to you from Joe in Slovenia, so you'll be able to mull that question over over the break Before we get back and we can have you answer it after we get back.

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Today we are discussing the gospel heritage of Georgia Baptists from 1772 to 1830. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and please give us your first name city and state and country of residence before I go to Our listener in Slovenia Joe.

Before I go to his question. Do you have anything that you wanted to add to that lesson? That you learned from Daniel Marshall from your book.

Mystery. We pray every week. It's ravenous wolves. It would come for the Lord to amen and it's interesting how.

There are churches that want so desperately to fill their membership roles with people. And those people have been very often enticed into their fold with worldly methodology. And you have membership roles filled with therefore very often.

Unregenerate people. Now even the best of churches obviously can have unregenerate people and and do all the time have a number of unregenerate people on the membership roles, but it seems that the.

The.

Sheer Desperation if you will of many churches to just grow and grow and grow even if they're already large. Because they want warm bodies in that building. Is it's very dangerous to the church itself when you have wolves or goats roaming around among the sheep.

And especially if they are in places of membership and especially if they are being appointed to positions of leadership.

The Need for Regenerate Church Membership

Yeah, the pragmatism and spiritually trusting amen.

All right before we return to any more lessons that you have learned from. Not only David Daniel Marshall, but also Abraham Marshall and Jesse Mercer. Let's go to. The question that we received from Joe in Slovenia.

Dear brother Chris many thanks for having brother Kurt back on your show. As you know I have friends and relatives in the Georgia Baptist Convention. Some of them are not theologically reformed, please ask your brother Kurt.

To summarize for us. What is the short answer that we should give to loved ones in our convention who are not reformed? When we have opportunities to speak about our decidedly reformed Baptist heritage in the Southern Baptist Convention.

What are the one two or three things that we should all know and have ready to explain? To those who are unaware that reformed theology is the historical position of the founders of the Southern Baptist Convention and obviously the.

The word the very very brief sentence that I would offer them is read Kurt Smith's book. Because they all have a copy of it. So it's been mailed out right to all of the Baptist pastors in Georgia or at least in your convention, right?

Well, yeah several local Receiving a free copy will be getting to use this little work industry.

And but if you could seriously respond to even though that was a serious answer that I do but to directly respond to Joe in Slovenia about a three or four word sentence. I don't know if that's possible, but.

Yeah, number one. Glory to God for saving all Spurgeon ones. Well, of course you think you you're giving the credit Where it belongs to God and God and if you answer yes to that Then I would say well, of course you pray for God to save other people because nobody else can save sinners.

But the Lord and not only that but praying for God to save troll I would begin about your reformed Baptist heritage in the SPC. Give God thanks for unaware that the driving theology. This is actually something which is chapter 3 in the book.

It's again one of these lessons that I give and It's one Bible doctrine that that's the lesson and that that really doesn't have anything.

The First 80 Years of Southern Baptist History Were Calvinistic

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That's the website of solid ground Christian books. Solid-ground-books .com. Right when we were going to the break Kurt as you may remember you were saying that the for the first 80 years of the Southern Baptist Convention.

One of the clear hallmarks of the convention was thoroughgoing Calvinism if you could continue that thought yes.

Calvinism in Early Southern Baptist History

History. While they're away from the large majority even in eight of articles. And that was in a. Speaking was three three things. Speaking to be able wondering form theology or to the fill 43 years. The opinions about this back now.

What are.

Page Patterson and many of the Anti-Calvinist members of the Southern Baptist Convention saying about that very thing. Are they saying those are not the facts? Are they saying that they're exaggerated facts?