May 3, 2024 Show with Geoff Thomas on “Knowing the Cross”

The Cross as the Heart of Christian Proclamation

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But today I am delighted to have a returning guest definitely one of my favorite guests to interview on Iron Trump and Zion Radio, and I was thrilled to see such a huge response in social media from my listeners who are thrilled that this brother is back on the program for an interview today.

His name is Jeffrey Thomas. He was the pastor of Alfred Place Baptist Church in Aberystwyth, Wales for over 50 years, a very historic church, and during that time Jeff preached through almost every word of the Bible.

He received his theological training at Westminster Theological Seminary in Philadelphia and was awarded an honorary doctorate in 2011. Jeff is a frequent conference speaker all over the world and also holds the position of visiting professor of historical theology at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan that I just mentioned moments ago.

And he is the author of a dozen books, including his autobiography, In the Shadow of the Rock, as well as the comprehensive volume, The Holy Spirit, and a best-selling book entitled, You Can Have It All.

But today we are going to be addressing a book that he has written published by Reformation Heritage Books, Knowing the Cross, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back after a long absence to Iron Trump and Zion Radio, Pastor Jeff Thomas.

Thank you very much. How kind, how exciting to to be here again, and I'm coming back, of course, two weeks time. I'm speaking once again, but four times on Revival. Yes, I.

Want to let our listeners know about that. That is a conference being hosted by the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals on Friday and Saturday, May 17th and 18th, and Jeff Thomas is speaking on Friday night at 7 p .m., 8 p .m., and 9 p .m., and then also at Saturday at 9 30 a .m., 10 30 a .m., and 11 30 a .m., and the first session on Friday night is The Spirit of Life in You.

The second session is The Sons of God, Not Slaves of Sin, and at 9 p .m. is a question-and-answer session. Then on Saturday, he's speaking on The Valley of the Dry Bones at 9 30 a .m. and 10 30 a .m.

He's speaking on No Condemnation, No Separation, and 11 30 a .m. is another question-and-answer session, and if you want more details on this event being held right here in Pennsylvania, the this is called the Gap Bible Series, and the seminars take place at the Town Clock Chapel in Gap, Pennsylvania, and the website to find out more details is AllianceNet .org, AllianceNet .org, and click on events and scroll down until you see Gap Bible Series, and if you scroll down again, you will find the the events with Jeff Thomas coming up, and I think that is next week if I'm not mistaken, but or is it two weeks?

I can't remember. Two weeks. Two weeks, and so I'm excited to have you on the program, as are many of our listeners, and as I said already, we are addressing your book, Knowing the Cross, and the cross is really what separates true Bible-believing Christianity from the counterfeits in Christendom, and also from every other religion.

It is a pivotal and one of the very most vital issues addressed in the Scriptures that offer God's children eternal life, so if you could pick up on why you wanted to write this book and and just open your heart for us, as you always do.

Thank you very much. You know the cross is given such a significant place in the Word of God. You know, a third of the Gospels deals with one week, the last week, in the life of our Lord. It is that important for the message of why God sent his Son into the world.

The climax of it all is the Lamb of God is taking away our guilt and shame, and He is reconciling a holy God to sinful men and women whose hope and confidence then is not focused in anything they can ever do to merit that.

But all that has been merited for them by our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. I called the book Knowing the Cross because of my respect for an old friend, J. I. Packer, and one of his best-selling books, Knowing God, and so I took up that theme.

You know how when he begins his ministry and is baptized by John the Baptist, then John says of him, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. And then the Apostle Paul, when he writes to the Corinthians and to the early church, he speaks to them of the message prioritized by him.

What did he speak on, first of all, when he went to a new area and introduced people to this extraordinary teacher, miracle worker, and this humble and gentle Jesus? Well, he says, first of all, he told them how Christ had died for our sins and that he was buried and that he rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures.

So it was given a priority by him. In fact, he says he was determined not to know anything among them except Jesus Christ and him crucified. It was a message which didn't go down well with the Greek philosophers or the Jewish legalists, but that was his great theme, the cross of Christ our Lord.

It's a declaration. It was his good news and good news must be shared. It makes you grab the phone and tell what you know to your family and your neighbors. You call your sister. I've got good news, you say.

And this news of Jesus' death is especially rich and hot, never out of date. We're not in the business of giving tips or advice or a description of our feelings. When we stand in the name of Jesus Christ behind an open Bible, we declare the good news of what Christ achieved on the cross that is utterly relevant to every single one of our hearers, not depending on their intelligence or their age or their guilt or their innocence.

But all who have ears to hear the best news of all, we speak about hope for the world. And that's our great concern. I can say to everyone in America, I have good news for you. Now the message seems foolishness that he went to the cross.

He could have escaped. He could have been delivered from it by his father, but he didn't. And that dying of Jesus is the power of God because he made him. God made Jesus to be sin for us who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

So we are summoned in the great commission of the Son of God to bring this message to men and women where she said, happy if with my latest breath I might but gasp his name, preach him to all and cry in death, behold, behold the Lamb.

And so that commission is given to us and it's my delight and it's my challenge to you this afternoon hour that you receive this mind-blowing truth like a person who digs a pit to bury some rubbish and he finds a chest and it's packed with treasure and he sells all he has that he might get that treasure for himself.

And so here in the historic existence and humbling of the God-man who died on Golgotha here then is the Lamb of God and you must take a certain posture before him and say to God, Father, forgive me because I've heard that the blood of your Son can make the foulest person clean and that blood has become my only plea.

I flee from all my sin and all my virtues to hide in the wounded side of Jesus Christ who is my Lord and my Saviour. All my joy is found concentrated and spelled out and experienced now in the message of the cross and all my sadness and shame are because of those things that he took the cruel nails and the crown of thorns and the darkness and his abandonment to reconcile you my God to me and obtain divine pardon for what I've been and what I've done and that it took so long for me to realise this and fall before you with tears of joy and grief.

The cross of the Lord Jesus Christ, it overwhelms, it breaks our hard hearts, it crushes, it melts them, it transforms them into hearts of undying gratitude and awesome anticipation that the face that was spat on for us the moment we die will be the face we will see and the voice that preached the Sermon on the Mount that voice will speak to us and say welcome, welcome my brother, welcome my beloved one so that from my stricken heart with tears two wonders I confess the wonders of redeeming love and my unworthiness.

So the book is all about aspects of the cross of Jesus Christ that it's an imputation of our guilt to him that it's the humiliation of the Son of God that we might never be humiliated that it is a substitution and a propitiation of the wrath of a sin-hating God that it's redemption from our slavery and bondage to our sins that God is satisfied by it and that death's power over us is destroyed by it.

It's the foundation, it's a new covenant in Jesus' blood better than the covenants of the Old Testament and it is to be proclaimed and believed and loved by all Christians everywhere and when they meet the Saviour they will cast any crown that they've had any fame, any reward, any reputation they will cast it before Jesus and say you alone are worthy of all the blessings that you have now given to me and a countless number of people that's the message of the cross of Jesus Christ my Saviour.

Well hallelujah. And why is it there are people who are outside of the Christian faith both those that would be openly enemies of the cross and those that are just ignorant of the Christian faith who say why on earth if God does exist why on earth would he require the cross in order to make sure that sinners could go to heaven when they pass away, when they die and leave this earth?

Why was this necessary in the plan of God?

Well it's because of two factors, two attributes of God God's holiness, God's righteousness, God's anger with all that is tawdry and mean and cruel and debasing and foul. And God's holy justice focuses his wrath on all of that.

And God doesn't just shrug. He's not like Buddha with an enigmatic smile on his face as he sees the silly things that the young people are doing. God is angry with the wicked every day all that contradicts what he is as just and lovely and pure and kind and patient long-suffering gentleness.

And so here is the problem then not just with us in our sin but with God in his holiness and in his justice. And the cross of Christ is essential because it does something to God himself it propitiates, it appeases the anger of a sin-hating God so that now we may plead the death of Jesus Christ as the way a holy God has been reconciled to us and he's given us a ministry of reconciliation.

He gives us this great word that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself. God took our pain. God the son took our condemnation. God sent him in love into the world in order to appease his deep deep hatred against all that is mean and unkind and cruel and debasing so that now God may be just and yet he may justify those who plead the merit of Jesus Christ so that they say Lord you can be satisfied with me because my guilt and shame has all been imputed to your son Jesus Christ unwillingly he has embraced it and taken it and though he was enticed to cry that the crucifixion should be terminated and that God his father should send a legion of angels and deliver him he would not come down from the cross until all the penalty of our sin was paid.

And that God's holy justice towards us was completely satisfied. And that is the reason then that God in his love for us that love that he's showing to you this day that you are listening to the good news of Jesus Christ and him crucified although you've not lived a good life.

God loves you to tell you this message of the cross. And he's loved us believers in Jesus Christ much more than that in that he did not spare his own son that we might be spared for our sin.

Christ's Suffering in Gethsemane and the Wrath He Bore

Well we already have a listener question uh and that is from joyce in manhasset long island new york. And joyce says what was christ really fearing in the garden of gastronomy that had him sweating drops of blood.

Was it primarily the physical torturous death that awaited him or was it the wrath of God that was going to be poured upon him by his own father. Or was it both.

Well the humanity of Jesus is is seen there Jesus of Nazareth um he is there the man who has a a real body. Um there was no built-in analgesic um painkiller. When God sent him into the world he felt the pain of the lash and the nails.

Uh that was our savior. But more than that um he had never experienced the loss of God or eternity from the very beginning. God had always been there. And then when he came into the world he could when he woke in the morning know God's presence with him.

And that presence continued with him keeping him shedding his love abroad in his hearts. And then at the end of the day he could thank God that he hadn't been away from him for a moment. But in Gethsemane he knows what's going to lie before him that next day that he's going to experience something he has never experienced before.

And as uh as a man he he fears and he cries. He's going to cry my God my God why has thou forsaken me. And only by the help of God can he drink the cup that God has given him. And only by the strength that God supplies will be he be enabled to go through those hours and taste death for us all.

The separation of his body and his soul for the first time those were the concerns that were on him that made him say to his friends I need you to come and pray with me at this time. Um please um help me at this time because of what lies ahead of me.

Amen. And I think that was a very good question of Joyce because there are Christians uh or at least professing Christians who are very repulsed by the notion that the cross was where Christ's father poured his wrath upon his son and they uh in fact some have even called it uh child abuse uh and they merely come up with other theories that Jesus died to pay a ransom to Satan which was an error that was believed by many in the early church amongst the church fathers.

But Jesus Christ being the God-man could not have been only solely fearing a physical death because there have been many thousands and thousands countless thousands of millions of martyrs who faced equally gruesome deaths and some of them even women and children uh marched bravely to their deaths without even asking God to deliver them from the fate that they that awaited them.

So it can't be just the physical death that awaited him that caused him such.

Anger quite so quite so it is the the loss of the presence and the comfort. And God was never nearer to him. God was never more in love with his son than when he hung there taunted by the crowds supported by the nails.

He never loved him as much. This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased. But the Lord Jesus was not experiencing and feeling the love that had always accompanied him through eternity. And through the 33 years he had lived all the comfort was taken from him and he was discovering the ugliness of sin as he was made sin for us.

His affections his conscience his intellect his inmost being his heart now experiencing the shame and the guilt of all the broken commandments all the lovelessness that men and women have by nature all now imputed to him and experiencing the disdain and holy justice of God towards all of that defilement and wickedness.

And that was really what he knew lay before him. But there was no other there was no other good enough. There was no other holy enough. There was no other who was God as well as man so that the atonement has an infinite and eternal and omnipotent power to it.

That is then never going to lose that power till all the ransomed church of God are saved to sin no more. So the God-man has to that sinners like ourselves can be redeemed.

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Why they need to fall at the foot of the cross and cry out to christ for mercy because it is our only hope if you could continue. Well it's because of the wonderful.

Achievements of the death of jesus christ that the scripture tells us about. Um you know how the new testament takes pains to acknowledge that the authors paul and and peter and james and jude and the others um they owed their life-changing ministries and joys and wisdom from their contact with jesus christ.

Um they were introduced to one who had all power in heaven and earth. He had power over creation. He could speak and the winds and waves obeyed him. He could walk on water. He could curse a tree. He could turn water into wine.

He had power over demons. The greatest case of demon possession the world has seen or ever will see. In the gadarine demonia jesus delivers him. He delivers men and women from their diseases some in the last stages of incurable disease.

He heals everyone. And then he has power over death itself. He raises the widow of nain's son and lazarus and jairus's daughter. And he himself conquers death as he predicted. The challenge of what is more powerful.

The preacher of the sermon on the mount or death and the resurrection of jesus christ shows what power and authority he has. Yet he is the one who goes to the cross. He is the one who lays down his life.

His father is the one who doesn't deliver him from it. He delivers him when the elders of the synagogue at nazareth want to throw him off a precipice and they can't find him because it's not the time and god could have sent a legion of angels to deliver him.

But he doesn't because without the shedding of blood there is no remission for our sins. Without that condemnation just and right that jesus christ bears there can be no pardon and no forgiveness. But god now can look on jesus christ and can be merciful to all those whose trust was in him.

And so we say as christians god forbid that we should boast except in the cross of our lord jesus christ. The message of his dying love is what we proclaim. It is above every other message in the world that achieves man's chief end which is to give glory to god.

We give glory to god through his son jesus christ. We enjoy peace with god through our lord jesus christ. And so you are confronted with a certain massive historical fact that our creator the incarnate god was killed through being nailed to a cross nakedly publicly shamefully outside the city of jerusalem two millennia ago.

What's all this about. What is its meaning. What is it significant. What does it have to say to americans in the 21st century as to what we believe or how we are to live. The answer is only found on the lips of jesus.

I give my life a ransom for many. And on the words of the apostle paul one of the first christians god made him to be sin for me who knew no sin that i might be made the righteousness of god. And that is the message then that has transformed europe.

And as it's been taken to the countries of the world it has transformed them to the one understanding of the cross. None can create that change except that understanding. He died as a substitute. He died as the one to whom our guilt and shame was attributed.

He died penally. He was found guilty. And god did not when he saw him made sin did not withhold the judgment that sin makes. The writer isaiah says in the famous 53rd chapter that he made him to be sin for us.

He says that he bore our sins and god did not spare his only son. That he might spare you who go just as you are without a plea but plead the merit of the all-sufficient sacrifice that the loving jesus has made for us.

The Cross, Anti-Semitism, and the Responsibility for Christ's Death

Amen. Uh we do have. Let's see here. We have randall in west babylon long island new york and randall said once again in the media we've been hearing about members of the jewish community claiming that we who are christians are anti-semitic if we dare to point a finger at the jews of the first century as being responsible for the death of christ.

But if we were to deny that would not it be a lie. This is an obvious and true fact of history is it not.

Well yes but it was on his pilot a gentile a roman who uh and just said i washed my hands of him and he permitted. Uh the jews themselves were not allowed to uh crucify fellow jews. But um it was the decision that pontius pilate made as well as uh ananias and caiaphas and the men they bribed to say they'd heard the lord jesus blaspheme.

There was a system of legalistic pharisaism that dominated the land. It had been in existence for about 200 years. And that system was like all men of power. They weren't willing for that power to be um disdained and ignored.

They wanted to keep it and so it was for them then the greatest wisdom that he died that their power could be maintained. And so um it wasn't the race but it was individuals motivated by agreed for power the jewish pharisaic scribes and priests.

They were the ones then who said he must die that we can still have the power that uh that that we are enjoying. That's that's the the people who put.

Him to the cross. Now i have said to people over the years after becoming a born again believer myself when they bring up similar objections i say that jews did indeed. Uh it's a historical and biblical fact that they cried out for christ's death.

They rejected him as being their messiah. The romans physically carried out the execution. Jesus christ voluntarily laid down his life as a ransom for many. God the father orchestrated this execution before the foundation of the world.

And i as a sinner am also responsible for his death because if we were not sinners there would be no sacrifice required. Uh and so i have even said to people it's nothing to brag about to say that you had no involvement in the death of christ because if you completely remove yourself from responsibility for the death of christ then you cannot have any benefit from the death of.

Christ am i making sense. That's very well argued. And oh i agree completely with what you say there. That's that is very important. I mean all the old testament types of the sacrificial system the blood of heifers and pigeons and lambs and and goats that couldn't cleanse people from their sins.

They were. They were types which were zealously maintained through the old testament because they were looking forward to one day one who would come who would be god's love who had all power and all love and the purity that he was without spot and without blemish.

And he could then achieve what only the analogous types in the old testament were prophesying and looking forward to. Jesus comes and he bears our condemnation. And he does it not just for the old testament jews but he does it for the world.

Behold the lamb of god. John the baptist says he takes away not just jewish sin he takes away the sin of the.

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