Lecrae and the Woke Parade

Non rockabotas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it.

Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?

Delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly.

Okay, it doesn't really hurt. Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their courage.

The Great Commission and the Delight in God's Word

Go into all the world and make disciples not going to the world make buddies not to make brosives, right? Don't go in the world make homies right disciples. I got. I got a bit of a jiggle Nick.

That's a joke.

That's a joke master when we have the real message of truth. We cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

How could a young man keep his way pure by guarding it according to your word with my whole heart? I seek you. Let me not wander from your commandments. I have stored up your word in my heart that I might not sin against you.

Blessed are you O Lord. Teach me your statutes with my lips. I declare all the rules of your mouth in the way of your testimonies. I delight as much as in all riches. I will mediate or meditate. Excuse me on your precepts and fix my eyes on your ways.

I will delight in your statutes. I will not forget your word. There's only one mediator between God and man. Okay, Christ Jesus.

Mary and Luke Thanks for joy.

And we're done. So I'm 119 9 through 16, you know, what's amazing? People that get mad at us for liking the law of God, they've never read Psalm 119. Oh, well, I mean, you know.

I'm saying they must not have. It's law heavy, baby. I mean it is he loves it. It's his delight. Oh, yeah.

Christmas Season, Conference Travel, and Ministry Partners

Not everyone's perfect. What's up, everyone? Welcome back to another episode of apology or radio. I am in the captain's chair again as pastor Jeff is in California for the Bonson conference, which is a heavy lineup almost went to that myself.

Yeah. Here I am. You did almost go to that. So We're in Christmas season again a few minutes last week. So we're just going for it.

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Not for me personally, but I love Christmas, but they like in advance like we're already doing Christmas on the church. So yeah.

Yep, November 1st for me and pray for you guys. We're all in. Actually, I mean if it was not the pastor Jeff, we would start doing Christmas probably in July.

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Dr. Ben Merkel in studio with both eyes operating. Oh right on. Yeah, he's a piece of beast. I'm glad to hear he's doing better.

Yeah, he'll be here in town in studio. So I think that's the ninth of that was a gnarly photo. We saw reform.

Come on. Yeah, that was all like maybe I could make it out. I don't even know this guy. I want to tell him straight up. No. Yeah.

So.

Anyways, you probably are wondering who this good-looking dude to my right is with that amazing hair. This is John rude. If you missed reform con 22 he was the MC and he killed it. Yeah, and we're very excited to have him in studio today.

He's works for Turning point faith. So John welcome in studio. Tell everyone about yourself and how you got your hair to look so good.

Well a lot of prayer and product. But yeah, I work for TV USA fate. So if you've heard of turning point USA, you guys know Charlie Kirk right here in Phoenix, Arizona. Been involved with them for about a year and a half as a contributor.

So I'm contributor and then create a producer on the faith side so I think Charlie obviously talks about it a ton is like making sure that a foundation God's Word is established a little bit more in America because obviously there's so much going on now like HR 8404 and people are just like well, why are you getting so up in arms about no marriage?

It's like well, it comes down to like just what's the truth? What's the foundation? Yeah, and I think we put on some incredible events that I've been happy to be a part of like America Fest is coming up Next month.

Where's that? Is that here? It's at the convention center. So it's like 10 ,000 people inside the convention center and sure it gets you riled up. Yeah in a good way and like empowering equipping and you know.

Getting people so excited about America again, and we got 10 ,000 people around and it's not just a super heavy political conference. But even at these conferences people are so gung-ho for conservatism like we're all gonna be Similar in the way we view politics, but people have a God-sized hole in their heart and starting to realize.

Okay. How do we make sure that we're connecting with the right pastors? Who kept their churches open to connect them with other people because so many times I think the world wants them to feel like they're On an island.

Yeah, and for me as a contributor, I work more on the media side of stuff. I'm building on a show you're our good friend John Cooper. He's gonna be involved in that that shows coming out early next year super excited because it's a little bit more like Not like hey, let's sit down and let's chat about CRT.

It's more just like hey your skill set. We're talking about how you use that for Christ.

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Being a part of TPSA faiths been you may be some things I heard too. We're definitely shooting some stuff. Oh, yeah I got that KSG Shotgun from from Caltech. I felt like John wick root out there. Oh, baby.

I check. Got eight bullets in that baby.

To a all day, it's like that video where Keanu Reeves is like practicing, right? You've seen that where he's like warming up on those targets and stuff and it's like dude really is neo. He's like he is neo.

For sure. Yeah, I think there's another one coming. I saw isn't it? Yeah number four. Yeah. Yeah.

Can't get enough. I got enough of the Matrix.

Don't waste your life. I heard. Wow. Coincidentally that will lead us into a beautiful segue.

That well, I was incredible play. Did you do that on purpose? No.

Organic yeah organic. Well, I guess we'll just go from there. So we're talking about Lecrae today and the. Yeah, so he I'm not. I have listened to the cray off and on over the year. So I'm not like a huge Lecrae fan.

Okay, definitely. Yeah. No, I'm you as well. I think I know him his music inside. No. Yeah. So he if you guys didn't see he came out the song just was a couple weeks when the guy send it to you brand new Album, yeah brand new on church goes for and the song was still in America, which.

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It's all good.

So I'm gonna let Zach kind of set up the background in the history to this conversation as far as. Where you mean? One thing about Lecrae is it which kind of skyrocketed him which we've done shows where we praised him where he was.

You know in the public sphere. In the public square basically with his music stand up for Christ and yeah. Not being afraid to shame. Trying to shame exactly. Yeah, and then. And then. You know. Then the woke parade started and he kind of fell into that and it's gonna kind of bring us to where we are today.

So I'll let you kind of give some history is yeah.

I mean in terms of music you Christian hip-hop is. You know his flavor and where he comes from and the he really kind of came up. I think Oh six. Was his first album Oh five or six? So, you know him and Andy Mineo and Trip Lee and Tadashi and KB like all those guys kind of run in the same camp you know Christian hip-hop and You know when their music first started a lot of people gravitated towards it.

Christians did I think lyrically because they were very very talented. You know. And they were producing good content good music and it was very explicitly Scriptural and Christian, right? So you have and it was good beats, too.

Quality. All we have was Toby Mac. Yeah.

You know DC talk, right, you know them better. Yeah, yeah, they're there before my time anyways, yeah. Well, I mean when I first you know I would say the Lord first got a hold of my heart like I stumbled onto Lecrae and like that whole genre and I loved It cuz I love poetry.

I love spoken word. But that kind of music in particular, you know. People are being bold with their faith talking about Jesus talking about, you know being unashamed of the gospel and how to live in the world and not compromise and all this stuff and then I'm not quite sure, you know when it happened, but there was a shift You know in the focus of their music so it went from being, you know more explicitly Christian scriptural to What I think they would have referred to as it's not Just music for the church that we want to make its music from the church, right?

So in other words, we want to talk about things that are other than just, you know, explicitly scriptural, right? We want to talk about fatherhood and absence of that kind of stuff and.

Which I think it's great. It is if you're if you're coming from a biblical sure perspective and growing a scripture.

Yeah, yeah, it just kind of You could tell there was there was a shift and you know Shilin and some of those guys started to point it out. You know like hey the the whole mission of your record label was a lot more explicit and now it kind of Moved into this direction where you know, it's hard to tell so what's up?

Like what changed. Reach record started getting bigger and bigger. Right. And then I broke over into the mainstream, you know.

That's really where he you know. Started collaborating with different artists to like people that would be mainstream hip-hop artists pop artists that that sort of thing.

Yeah, cuz even church clothes when it was initially announced that like Lecrae was gonna start going like into the world I guess or have some sort of crossover. Yeah with mainstream hip-hop. I remember like I was actually a huge proponent for this.

I was like, I'm actually fascinated to see how this interaction works. Like make sure that this project is still glorifying to God. We're not gonna get sound theology from from some of these guys, but like how can you create music?

That.

Still glorify him. But you're still telling a story about like where where he grew up and the struggles of that everything but not in the sense of hey let's glorify drugs and alcohol and Disrespecting women and I mean I when the first church clothes came out.

I was like, this is this is cool. This is good beats. This is an interesting connection here. And I was hoping that would lead to more conversations about like where are these guys out of there on their faith journey?

What's going on in the hip-hop world and we're always trying to figure out how to Insert ourselves in those conversations and in those spheres. And I was like Lecrae is probably gonna be the guy. Yeah, he's doing.

It seems like he just got totally influenced by the fame and.

Marks and.

They you talk about the idea of being like from the church. I think it turned in to be like, yeah I'm Christian and my music is Christian, but the better question is are you godly and is your music godly?

I think that's where they fell off a little bit. Hmm, and as you mentioned our friend John Cooper earlier like I think that's one thing Skillet has done amazing. He has found the balance. He's never compromised once and then if anything he's gotten Yeah, even more sounded as the algae and his songs and stuff.

And I mean they're playing they're like touring with like corn and you know all these like major and like new metal bands and stuff like He's he's done really well. I mean they have they what is it one of their I forget which song it is has like one of the most downloads ever on Spotify.

I think it's insane. Anyways, not to derail the conversation, but I think that's an example of how you do that appropriately. And clearly what we're gonna get into here is I think Lecrae has Not done it the best.

Well, so I mean since then the the music, you know there's still references to the Bible and references to Jesus and even the titles of the albums and whatnot, but I think it's been more of the You know the the Ideologies that are coming through what he's saying.

That's really where things have started to transition now to where you would see.

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Desire to Make the biblical worldview Secondary or supplemental to my own experience so You know reading everything through a racial lens and having that be the framework through which you interpret and see everything else because All these guys like I'm sure you know They have very valid experiences.

Like things that really did happen to them and things that sure that they know happened to other people in the neighborhoods they grew up in and that's a very real part of their experience, but That has has seemed to supplant having the biblical worldview as the foundation for everything that they see through and I think you kind of see it come through in their music but also Where that we're kind of turned the corner at least in the craze journey what seemed to was the incidents of Michael Brown right and then the shooting and you know Everything that happened with him which led to you know speaking out about police brutality and the fact about there being you know partiality towards you know black people and inequity and once that kind of Came to the surface and more of a public platform.

You started to it's it sounded a lot more like these foreign Worldviews that we've seen in fact the church the past several years. So of course, you know critical theory offshoots of Marxism critical social justice theory critical racism everyone that would you know Popularize this kind of teaching that's what seems to come through now a little bit more especially and you know speaking out against those things publicly kind of Has really taken things in a different direction and now you see with his music, you know kind of where his music's gone.

It's a little bit Especially with the newest one church closed for it seems to be a little bit schizophrenic. Yeah in the because he's saying good things. Yeah, but he's also saying things that line up.

That wouldn't line up with the Christian world, yeah, I don't think well he mentions Michael Brown, right he Mentions Breonna Taylor like so if you listen to the first song of church closed for it's basically like hey I'm here and I'm gonna bring up these names and I'm gonna stand by it.

You know war knocks not my guy Herschel Walker's and my guy so it seems like I'm playing in this camp a little bit. But I'm also playing in this camp. That's what he desperately wants people to think about him.

And I think that's even where I will get into like my interaction with him is like he doesn't want to be seen as like Oh, like I'm not progressive. I'm not liberal. I'm not conservative. You know, I'm just I'm Kingdom, right?

That was a tweet. Yeah, that we did that he put that out there and it's like well, are you it's either you're with God or against him? Exactly. It's like I I could care less people and get into the whole Christian nationalism thing or blah blah blah blah blah.

But like you're gonna be known by your fruits. It's like you've hung out with Stacey Abrams and basically promoted her and said that she's someone that your daughter. She'll look up to Raphael Warnock.

You've connected with him to try to push the vaccine and His platform some more and you're connecting with people on one side of the aisle. Yeah, but you don't want to be put into a certain box. Yeah I'm sure it's very difficult for him to try to navigate this space while his platform grows.

Of course, I don't envy that at all like no way but like it's if people have questions You're probably gonna need to answer especially when it comes to this Christian circle. Yeah, it's like I don't care if you are like so on board with the GOP.

It's like none of us are gonna say like all the Republicans are really doing something great. It's like no is what you're promoting and the way you're living for God or not, right? And why do you support these people and not others?

Yeah.

Do you feel like they're gonna help you know grow the kingdom here in America. Or at least point people to the right direction?

And then.

Like Not like Objective truth not subjective truth like all this stuff. It's like we have questions, but we're not getting answers and then he seems like he's just subtweeting people.

Consistently and I think you raise a key issue and all of this is the reason we're demanding clarification is because His language and the language of others has been intentionally Equivocal it's been in many cases ambiguous on a lot of things.

Like it's I don't want to say it's necessarily doublespeak, but it's just unclear. And so you have to be clear with what you're saying. And so I'm not conservative. I'm not liberal. I'm Kingdom. It's this effort to kind of find this third way in the middle, which is Popularized by a lot of the elite evangelical class that is pulling one way politically.

So when I hear you talking like they talk that's concerning because they're pulling the church ideologically. Politically theologically in a certain direction. So is that the way you're pulling them because you talk like them?

Yeah, that's that's why it matters. Yeah. No, that's great. And I think let's just let's just play off of that a little bit. You know this idea of I'm not conserving the liberal and Kingdom like well, yeah store, we right, but but but the problem is that you know, and where you can interact with them is.

You know you start promoting Leftists like hardcore leftists that are very much anti Christ's Kingdom, you know and in very much in support of the culture of death. Like you can't sit there and say well, I'm for I'm the only kingdom when you're promoting people That are like the the leaders in wanting to kill children in the womb.

Yeah, well destroy the family and destroy. I mean, yeah, it's all of their platforms. Run on a destruction of the family unit, which is God's basic building block for society and post-modernism.

That's it. Yeah, and then it gets into deconstruction ism. Yeah, and then Deconstruction is actually the name of one of his songs in the album. It's the final one, right? It's the final one and what you were saying before about him being so ambiguous and just kind of like You're wishy-washy about this stuff.

And then you feel like oh like God only God can judge me like I'll just talk to him. But he had a tweet six days ago and I thought it was interesting because it goes exactly off of what you're saying.

He tweeted some people have asked why I named the last song deconstruction on church goes for that's a long conversation. But the people who need to hear it are hearing it and for me, it was like I I've listened to the whole album I was fascinated because I've actually Chatted with a bunch of different people in the heap in the hip-hop industry.

Mm-hmm. Like hey, here was my interaction here. Let me get a better understanding of how he could view it because We were his demographic when he was getting big. Yeah, sure young white evangelicals.

And then I think some of them were saying he feels maybe Disrespected in some way and they're never gonna understand what he went through growing up and then even the social justice stuff but I think that started getting into the Racial representation over godliness, but even this year I responded to him like hey, brother Why leave the details of this song up for interpretation?

We know what deconstructionism is and Is this really what you believe? What do you think about fault lines by Vodie Bauckham? Who who do you go to for spiritual mentorship? There's plenty of questions like might as well clarify.

Mm-hmm, like why leave it up for people to be like, well, this is what I got out of it. This is not an art piece. Like the Bible is not like an art piece. We're like, hmm I'm kind of getting this out of it.

I kind of like that little bit here. Obviously people do that. Yeah, like the Bible is in context and then if you're gonna be representing God, it's got to be plain Yeah, what are you saying here is deconstructionism something that you were dabbling in and not anymore like just tell us.

Yeah.

Yeah, because you can get a sense of it from the lyrics. Yeah, like where he's coming from kind of you know, there was hardship then he kind of questioned. You know the way people treated him that you know.

The decisions that he made and now he's like seeing the scriptures in the context in which they were made to be seen like in the ancient Near East context or what-have-you and so. You can kind of trace him of his journey.

But again. Just be clear like mean what you say say what you mean. Tell us what it is. Tell us what the truth is that you're trying to convey because we can't. I don't think it's acceptable to say well, it's art like art is Objective it's it's either good true and beautiful or it's not and so as a Christian, which is what you're saying.

You know still you are and I I don't see any reason why I wouldn't call him a Christian. Still like he's professes faith in Jesus. I'm sure he loves Jesus. And so the issue is What's your music communicating?

Is it is it truth? Does it does it accord with the truth? Does it line up with the truth? I think that's that's what everybody's wondering and when it when it seems to be this constant guesswork game or It sounds a lot like these other evangelical leaders that you know promote the third way and and try to ride this middle line of Neutrality to not fall off of one under the other we just we would like a little bit of Clarification.

Yeah. Well, it's this whole idea of the myth of neutrality. Yeah, let's appeal to.

Yeah, it just it feels like and that's why when I saw this song come up I immediately sent to John I was like Cuz it you know for for a while. He's seems to be, you know pulling left right at least center left on things and then all of a sudden he puts drops this song and it was like He's like trying to walk down the middle somewhere, you know, and it was like you can't be neutral on all these things which you know, we talked about that all time just this myth and and You know He did in the song.

It seems like he doesn't want to get political but it's like bro. Like everything you're saying is political and we talked about this all the time. Politics is just legislative morality, right? But who's morality exactly?

The question isn't Are we gonna legislate morality? It's who's morality. We're going to legislate and If he's promoting those that are trying to legislate things that are clear-cut Immoral according to God's standards.

That's a problem. Yeah, you know and so you can't you can't try to play neutral in an act like, you know You're not gonna go one way or the other and be just kingdom because kingdom is our standard, right?

That's right.

And so like we have no problem calling out those in the conservative side and the Republicans that are. You know, we've been doing a lot of it actually when it comes in an abortion. Like, you know those in the conservative side that are not acting or not putting in just laws.

Yeah, according to God's standards. We're gonna call you out for that because we are kingdom minded but you can't you can't sure you can't. Try to walk down the middle and play both sides and that's the problem.

That's the point.

I think you just nailed it right there is. We would not sit here for one moment and pontificate on this idea that the Republican Party is the Christian Party, right? Not for one moment however, what you just said is the key we can look at that party look at their professed values and Hold them accountable based on what they say.

They believe I can't do that with the other party in the same way. Because their platforms are completely antithetical to the truth.

Yeah.

I can call them to repentance and call them to obey Jesus and say what they're doing is completely evil according to God's objective standard. But I can look over here and say listen you guys say you're about Preservation of the family you guys say you're about limited government, you know, you guys say you're about you know, protecting marriage protecting life.

Protecting, you know the right for us to defend ourselves all of those things I can look at and say, okay. That's that's consistent with God's standards. So why aren't you doing that? Why aren't you doing what you say you were gonna do when I voted for you, right?

That's it's perfectly normal. I can do that. So while we're sitting here not saying that this is the Christian Party We are saying like these are the values that they say they still run on. So we have that leverage to be able to grab them and say look at your feet is What you're saying consistent with what you're doing and we can't do that.

With the other party in the same way and then if you have a public platform they're gonna be called out and if people are seeing like your fruit and that is. Connecting with just people on the left that are clearly not Bible believing like Warnock is not a pastor.

You can't be pro-abortion and then call yourself a pastor. That's right. That's just it's not true. Yeah, so you can't say and.

And.

Like it's funny right now. Like obviously like we can go into the Mormon Church and in a lot of different ways. But specifically right now with this respect respect for marriage act. Yeah, they're trying to say Oh, the marriage is only between a man and a woman, but we're gonna support this law.

Like you can't serve two masters. You can't be wishy-washy here and Even the Republican side of things here I have talked to people so much about it during the midterms and I think Lacroix was dropping this album at a specific time.

Yeah, and I know with my interaction. There was a reason why he wasn't gonna get on a podcast and chat like this. Because number one, I'm sure there was maybe a fear of man involved number two. Maybe he's looking at me as a maybe this guy's just trying to win an argument.

Obviously, I think with my interaction with him. I showed that like hey, this is good faith DMS and everything but like number three, it's like the Republican Party has a ton of corruption. There's some evil people in the Republican Party that are just C knows they're Christians in name only.

But I that is the only place I see in our politics where there's actually Bible believing in Christ centered Christians. There yeah, we need to call them out and then Ali best Stucky had a really good tweet the other day where someone's like, oh man.

You're you seem to be so like pro Trump right now. Like why don't you ever call him out? It's like here's this. Here's this. Here's this. Here's this like we have we have the receipts. We call these out.

We're gonna call it the rights. We're gonna call it the wrongs, but also it just comes down to we don't bow down to the altar of conservatism. We don't bow down to the GOP. We bow down to Jesus Christ and we want people to Amen have power that are actually making sure they're living up to God's standards.

We're not our standards not apology is standards not TV USA faith standards. God standards. Amen.

Well, amen to that. Let's go so.

Tell us about your interaction. I guess it was about a month ago or so right because it was right before reform con which by the way I forgot to mention. I'm wearing my woke his brochure. But you can find it at shop that apology is studios calm.

Hopefully I got the website right on that. Actually, so I meant to mention this at the beginning. We have a bunch of merch leftover from reform con. So I've been getting a lot of questions about this.

Our woke is broke shirt, which we actually made a year ago for The old flip-flop Conference in Tennessee, that's fight left-east. Oh, right. And so we had a bunch left over. I have still still some have left over.

I know people were asking about those and I didn't wear it today. But my new favorite shirt probably that my favorite shirt we've ever done is the Moses not marks.

It's a great shirt that was completely by accident to it was seemingly yeah, not in God's cancel. Actually you were on that show. Yeah. Yeah.

Pastor Jeff accidentally came up with it right on the fly and I was like t-shirt. That's how things happen around here.

I'm just glad to be along for the ride. Yeah.

So those are available. I love those shirts. Those are on on the shop as well. And if you miss if you're at reform con and weren't able to get a shirt, we have some leftover limited Supply those are half off right now.

And if you weren't at reform con and want one go get yourself one. Christmas is coming up for those who like us and want to help support what we're doing so. Anyways, I meant to mention that earlier. Sorry.

I know that seems like I forced it in there, but I may have.

The Lecrae and Stacey Abrams Exchange

Okay, I.

Forgot what we were gonna say. Oh, yes. So tell us about your interaction. Yeah, I'll give you. I'll give you the breakdown.

As clear and concise as I possibly can because there were so many just different threads and then it got it's messy Twitter to. I Decided to put on Instagram and then we had a DMS, but basically it started with Lecrae's tweet.

Like we were mentioning earlier I'm not progressive. I'm not liberal. I'm not conservative. I'm Kingdom. Yeah, and then Sean Foyt worship leader Decided to put an old Instagram photo of Lecrae and Stacey Abrams and just had a caption that said.

Really question mark. Yeah, and that's when I was like, that's how it popped up on my Twitter feed. I was like, okay, this is interesting again. Like we talked about you're not trying to get put in a box, but I'm looking here's what I see by your feet this is this is what I see so I Decided to respond after he responded to Sean he said hey, I'll be the first to admit I didn't know her stances.

I did know that my daughter needed to see representation of herself in society. Now I would I would now would I trade unbiblical views for representation? No, if you didn't grow up without healthy representation, you probably wouldn't understand so that gets into like a multifaceted thing of yes.

Representation over godliness and I can that's what we're talking about.

We're talking about the lens through which he sees right reality.

And obviously we just saw what happened with the election here with Kamala Harris and she's like Oh, it's so great to see a woman up there and a woman of color. It's like As Christians like are they living up to biblical standards right here.