False Prophecies of 2020 with Justin Peters

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Dr. Anthony Silvestro and - Hello. Justin. Hey, brother.

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You know, I thought it'd be fitting Andrew and Justin to start off the show with a prophecy. Ah, well, that would be good.

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Yeah, so here's my prophecy. My prophecy is that there will be many guys in 2021 that are going to have false prophecies.

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Well, okay, then let me add to my prophecy and we'll see how good this is. Okay. There'll be many guys in 2001 that will compete in women's sports and win.

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2020, what do you mean? Yeah, what did I say? You said 2001. Yeah, well, maybe that was before the time.

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See, that's how the prophecy should work. Just go back in time and then - Yeah, just go back in time. All right, so, you know,

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I did this before we went live. And I guess I should bring in our special guest here. None other than,

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Pastor Justin, can you give me a drum roll? I mean, really. Thank you. There you go.

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That's the best I got. There he is. How you doing, sir? Hey, guys, I am doing well.

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How are y 'all doing? How are you, Justin? Doing good, Justin. How you doing, brother? Good, doing fine, doing fine.

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This is always fun. I'm looking forward to it. Well, I'll start off with something

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I saw on Gab. And if you're on Gab, those of you who are on Gab, you can follow me at AndrewRappaport on Gab.

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Moving everything over there, I'm gonna probably, I already got rid of my Twitter. Well, parlor. Well, yeah, the tech giants took care of that one.

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So I'm on Gab and you can come follow me there. But I saw this on Gab, Anthony.

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I know you'll love it. We've talked about masks here before, but funny mask experience.

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So here you go. And Justin, you'd probably like this since you like going to Starbucks, you wretched sinner, you.

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Great place to witness. I mean, everywhere you turn, there's an Unbeliever. So I love Starbucks for that.

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Thank you, Anthony. I appreciate it. You know we're in the same side on that one. There are Unbelievers everywhere.

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You can't go sit in a Starbucks anymore. There's plenty of places to witness to Unbelievers, Anthony.

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You can go lots of places. You don't have to go to Starbucks. That's all I'm saying. Well, so Justin, when you are at my church for us to do a conference together in September of this year, assuming

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Starbucks is open by then, we will go sit at a Starbucks to witness. And maybe we can live stream that for people to see and let

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Anthony know. You're on, Anthony. I'll even treat you to a strawberry acai refresher.

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That's good. Okay, so Melissa's asking, will I be still on MeWe? I'm on MeWe.

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I've kind of set up on MeWe, but man, MeWe's confusing. So I'm liking

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Gab and I'll probably stick mostly there. But here's, let me read this. This is a cool, a funny thing.

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And this is gonna give Anthony lots of ideas. I can see Anthony doing this the next time he goes to like a

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Starbucks or something. So this guy, Bill Mitchell says, funny mask experience. I stopped by Starbucks to grab coffee after lunch.

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And while waiting, I bought a cookie. I pulled down my mask to eat said cookie.

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And the hipster behind the counter said very loudly, sir, you need to put your mask back on.

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You can't eat that here. Fine. Fine. So after he made coffee, my coffee,

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I said to him, did you wash your hands before you took my coffee? No, throw it out and make it again.

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And then when he was making the new cup of coffee, I noticed his nose was uncovered by his mask.

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When he gave me my second coffee and I said, I saw your nose wasn't covered by your mask, throw it away and make it again.

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Finally, I left with my third cup of coffee, which I paid for only once.

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Brilliant. Brilliant idea of what to do, right? I mean, they're so quick to point out, you're not wearing your mask, right?

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You're not wearing your mask, right? And yet they're not washing their hands before touching the cup. Brilliant way of illustrating the point, in my opinion.

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So I do have a correction from last week. We had a question that came in last week and it was about James White and his position on Post Mill.

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He's starting to be leaning at least towards post -millennialism. Laura Anderson there says, witness at Starbucks.

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Yes. It looks like Justin, we got somebody to join us at Starbucks. Yeah, the only thing is you shouldn't buy anything there.

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Don't, you know, come on. Just go there and witness. So Dr. James White was, we were asked about his position on Post Mill.

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And I said that, you know, he seemed to have been everything pre -mill, all mill, post -mill. And one of the things that I had made the comment about was, what concerned me was the fact that someone who's been studying theology for as long as he has to change his views.

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And it seems like he changed his views just with going to the church he's now at.

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It gave me concern that he could change kind of what I saw so quickly.

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And so that was the issue that I had. Because he had been studying theology,

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I thought that it just seemed, didn't seem good that he could change quickly, shall

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I say. But he said on his show the following, so let me play what he said to be fair and give him the correction in his own words.

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You know, five years ago, that Post Mill was a hashtag that was really cool.

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Sort of like having a beard and smoking a stogie. Real cool. No, it was never cool,

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James. It was never cool. The future is not gonna have cool in it. Not that kind of cool.

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And so, I don't know if you saw this, because you didn't mention it to him.

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You didn't say anything about it. But a guy named Ed Dingus, did you see it?

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Did a webcast about James White's dance with post -millennialism.

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Which made me laugh immediately because I have danced exactly once in my entire life.

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At my daughter's wedding. So, obviously, he doesn't know me very well.

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But it was a webcast, so I hadn't taken the time to listen to it.

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But Jeff told me about it. And he said, I wanna respond, especially to what he said about Noah.

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Then I saw on Facebook, Gary DeMar mentioned it and said,

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I feel a blog post coming. Well, Gary posted his blog post,

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I think this morning, maybe last evening, where all he did was he interacted with what

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Dingus had said, which basically was post -millennialists never deal with what

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Noah said about the last days. And so, one of the things that I've learned as I'm studying eschatology, but I'm not studying eschatology the way

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I would have five years ago. And I think that's a good thing. Because I'll be honest with you, every time in the past I've decided

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I really need to dig into this and there's a bunch of books I've got and da -da -da -da -da -da -da -da,

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I just could not get my heart into it. My heart's into it now, why?

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Because it has to be. Because I'm having to think about how to prioritize all of life in light of the possibility of the loss of the freedoms that made eschatology a side issue in the past, but is now making it central to the serious decision as to how the church is to continue.

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Okay, so that is a clip from James White from his Dividing Line show. So you're seeing there that he's saying that the reason that he is focusing more on it now is because of the fact that it's more the issues of the day and what he hasn't really studied in times before and as much as he does other theology.

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So I am corrected on that and I will, when I get corrected, I will point that out.

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So I do wanna give a shout out here, Justin, I don't know if you remember Lorraine from the Philippines, we were interviewed by her at the radio station there, but she said, hello

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Pastor Andrew, Pastor Justin, brothers, listening while doing my chores. It's a .m. here in the

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Philippines. So we say hello to her. I don't think she's working at that radio station anymore, but.

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I'll tell you, some of the dearest, sweetest people I've ever met are in the Philippines. Yeah. They really are.

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But it is true that your favorite food is in the Philippines. I was gonna ask you about that.

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Is that a truism? I have eaten a lot of different things in a lot of different places.

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I have been in restaurants where goats have literally walked through the restaurant like right past my chair as I was eating goat.

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And, but I cannot bring myself to do the Balut. I just can't do it.

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It was very sweet. And I just gotta say, folks, I wish that I had the video of Justin's face while I was eating

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Balut. For those that don't know what Balut is, it's a fertilized duck egg that starts to grow and then they boil it.

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And so, you know, depending on the level of development, you might see the, you might see.

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The beak. The feathers. Is the beak crunchy when you eat

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Balut? Yeah, I don't know. You know, it just went down pretty easy.

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You know, it was very sweet tasting. So. Here's Martha Mac. I cannot.

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I can't see. She's telling me that she really likes that. Yeah. I'm all about eating eggs.

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I'm all about eating animals. I'm just not sure about that combination. You know what some of the best meat

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I've ever had? I know we're not talking about anything theological. Beaver. If you ever get a chance to eat beaver, it is fantastic.

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Do you guys have places that have beaver out by you? I grew up in Mississippi. And so you.

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Just shot him and ate him. Yeah, but my granddad used to trap beaver in various ponds and in exchange, the neighborhoods would give him, you know, fishing privileges.

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And, you know, he could go, yeah, come on fish in our pond if you'll get rid of our beavers. And so I've had smoked beaver before and it was absolutely fantastic.

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Well, you also enjoy a delicacy known as squirrel. Squirrel. Squirrel and ducklings.

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Good stuff. Okay. I'm coming to your house when that happens. I couldn't eat the brains.

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All right, so Lorraine is saying, I'm not at the station anymore. I have not dared to try balut or goat dishes over 30 years of life.

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So she's half in your camp there. No, I'm not doing the balut.

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I'll do the squirrel with you all day long. I could probably try the beaver, but I'm sorry.

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But, you know, when you open that poor little guy up and he's smiling back at you and his little arms waving,

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I'm just, I can't do it. Uncle Clay is saying barbecue raccoon. That's, I guess, his favorite.

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All right. So two more serious topics other than Justin's favorite dish.

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Actually - Can I ask one point? I see the comments over here, but I can't figure out how to write one.

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Are we not allowed to write one? You are. You might not be able to, I don't know if you can from when you come in.

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We can't as a - Okay, I didn't want people to think I was ignoring them, so. No, what we try to do is put the comments up here so that you could respond to those that are here.

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If there's one that you want, just let us know and we could put it up. Hey, Justin, do me a favor and say hi to Gary Spry.

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He's a member of our church and he's a faithful dear brother. He's been around with us all over the place.

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So he says hi to you for sure. Hey, Gary. How are you, brother? Hope you're doing well.

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And we have a birthday in the house as well. So that's not the post of it, but Jess Moran Sedgwick, it's her birthday today.

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So shout out to you, happy birthday. And she says, wow, I never knew James White changes theology so quick.

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Odd. Well, the one thing he did say in defense there is that he didn't actually change it quickly, that he had been studying some of it, but it was because he'd been studying that he went to that position.

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And one thing I'll say on that is we all have an end times position. We all have a theological position.

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Some people just have a speculation and some people actually do the study and somebody's right, somebody's wrong.

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And we'll find out when the rapture happens. No, I'm just kidding.

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I'm just kidding. I hold to a conviction, you guys know it.

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But it's being gracious and trying to be respectful of others. It's when you get into heretical teaching and stuff, then we need to have a problem with it.

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But let's be gracious on those issues and show godly kindness. Pastor Justin, don't tell your cohort bud who is my co -host on the -

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I know. But I was given this book, God's Plan for Victory by Rush Dooney.

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This is on Post Mill. I'm thinking of doing a rap report critiquing this.

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And yeah, there's dispensation on the website. I'm thinking of doing a critique of that on my rap report and make

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Bud have to listen to me critique. Oh, you've gotta do that. You gotta do that. Oh yeah.

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And Bud and I, in all fairness, Bud and I have had conversations about this issue quite a bit.

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Because you think about it, there's not a lot of people willing to actually have a discussion. Most people have an attack.

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Most people wanna fight. Most people wanna argue. Most people wanna get in their camps and then they don't wanna discuss it, which

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I think we need to be open to discussing the theological positions because they're important.

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Every word of God is important and I think we need to be open to talking about it. And we don't have to agree on everything.

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I'm sure that even us four, we don't agree on everything. Although I will admit that there's very little that I know that I can,

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I don't even know if I can think of anything right now that Andrew and I would disagree with. I disagree with the fact that like Anthony, basically everything he thinks

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I disagree with. So other than that. I'm sorry you're always wrong. I'm just kidding.

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And that's one of the things you disagree with him on. So someone's asking about the

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YouTube channel. Where is our, someone on Facebook is asking about the YouTube channel. Our YouTube channel,

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I'll try to create a banner for it unless Pastor Justin gets to it quicker, but it's basically, our

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YouTube channels is basically youtube .com slash C slash striving for eternity.

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So that is the link to our YouTube channel. So I'll create a banner for it and put it up.

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So if you wanna go to our channel, that's there. By the way, we are on our YouTube channel. If you go there, you can go every day around,

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I forget, I think it's like 4 .30 or six o 'clock. And we're premiering a different class of our classes from the

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Striving for Eternity Academy. So you could just go out there. Someone is saying, can we see them?

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Can you see this here on Facebook? So whoever said, can you see us here, Andrew, I can't see your name, as you can see on the screen, because you didn't follow the instructions yet.

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You need to give permission on Facebook to share your name. So there is instructions at apologiacslive .com

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for that. All right, so let's get to tonight's topic. Justin, last time you were on, we were talking about different prophecies.

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Anthony just provided some for us tonight. And I decided to follow up with one.

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We'll have to see whether our prophecies come true at the end of the year. Maybe we'll see.

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I predict Anthony and I will be more accurate than any of the

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Word of Faith prophets this year. That's a prediction, not a prophecy, but I think it's a pretty good chance.

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So Justin, you and I were on Iron Sharpens Iron this week. No, I wasn't.

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Okay, the real Justin. The real one. If you put the names up here, everybody would know who's who.

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Just call me, call me Crip. J2 .0, you call him Crip, I'm J2 .0.

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Okay, so, all right. So we're on Iron Sharpens Iron, and poor

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Chris Arnzen, who is worried about calling Justin Peters disabled.

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He wasn't sure if that's the proper term to use. And Justin, what was your response to that?

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I said, Chris, don't worry about it. I call myself a little white cripple boy all the time.

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To which he lost it. He kind of lost it. But yeah, I do that just to set people at ease.

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People are, oh, don't say handicapped, don't say disabled. And crippled is probably the most politically incorrect word, so I just use that one.

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I'm not politically correct. All that stuff is exhausting, and it's dumb, so.

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And you even have made me do that. I've had to go into restaurants. Actually, I think it was your old pastor,

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Jim, that made me do it. You guys were already in the restaurant sitting down, and I was like, well, where are you guys sitting?

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And he just said, ask for the cripple boy. I walk up to the maitre d', and this was

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Anthony with Pastor Casey, if you remember, and he was horrified. He was all excited to get to meet Justin Peters.

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And I go up to the maitre d' and say, we're looking for a cripple boy. Maitre d' just, without hesitating, oh, he's right here.

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And he starts walking, and then he stopped. He just stopped dead, and he turned around and goes, I'm horrified that I knew who you were talking about there.

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And so I said, it's okay. That's what he calls himself. So when we got to Justin, I said, yep, that's the right cripple boy.

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He goes, yep, that's me. I'm the little white cripple boy. Maitre d' felt much better. And I've got to get mileage out of it here, because I won't be able to call myself crippled in heaven, so I've got to enjoy life.

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Well, and you think about it, you get all the sympathy now, because, well, you're gonna be just like everybody else in heaven, so.

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Honestly, one of the saints up in heaven. One of the guys. But you said something I never even thought of,

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Justin, and maybe you could share this, like that when you go to restaurants, it was about paying the bill.

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And I never even thought of that, probably because I always grab the bill from you anyway, and try not to let you pay.

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But you had an interesting comment that maybe it'd be good for people to think about. Well, it's rare when

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I'm in a restaurant, when the waitress or waiter comes to give the ticket, it's very rare that she'll give me the ticket.

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It's just like a subconscious thing. They assume that because I'm crippled, I can't pay for it.

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And so it's always given to the other person. And one time, this was many, many years ago, but I was in seminary, and I'd come home for a week or so for a visit, and I was with my mom in a store, and I was walking on my crutches.

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I wasn't in my scooter, I was walking. And my mom started talking to a lady that she knows who works at that particular store.

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And so they were jibber -jabbering, and I'm just standing there. And then she said, oh, Justin, I see

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Justin. Is he enjoying seminary? Asking that to my mom. He's going to seminary?

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I'm right here. There you go. Oh, wow. Humble Clay says that Justin -

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I knew I was in seminary, but apparently unable to - Answer for yourself.

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That's great. Humble Clay says that you should go to dinner with Matt Sleck since Matt Sleck can't ever seem to win, get the dinner.

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Hey, we're going to bring in Atomic Apologetics. He has a question or comment before we go to some of the topic tonight.

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John, how are you tonight? I'm not bad. Hey, I just wanted to pop in and just ask for some prayer requests.

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I had to make an emergency flight down to Southern Oregon to see my dad.

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All my other brothers and sisters are down here and he's been dealing with cancer for the past year.

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And I think he's currently in his last days. And so I just asked that he would be receptive to the gospel and that he would be cognitive to understand it.

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And that just give me the strength to deal with it.

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Yeah, so folks, lift up John's dad tonight and next couple of days. Sorry to hear about that.

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And are your siblings, do they know Christ? I would say not really, no.

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So, yeah. Well, you know, we're praying for you, brother. That's hard.

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Yeah. Someone's asking, is your father a believer? No. No.

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I mean, I've shared the gospel to him a couple of times in the past and he kind of seemed perceptive over it.

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You can't really get a lot of information when someone just gives you a thumbs up on Facebook.

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You know, it's, you know, I don't know. It's something

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I just got to keep making sure that he hears and yeah, it's very sobering.

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And I'm sorry for, you know, being a Debbie Downer at the moment, but I just wanted to come on.

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No, this is what we do as Christians. Well, Jonathan, I can promise you we'll be praying for strength for you and praying for a soft heart with your father.

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It's, you know, as you guys know, I went through the loss of my father just a few weeks ago and by God's grace, he received

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Christ on his deathbed. Right now, my wife's father, you know, has been on his deathbed.

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I don't know how he doesn't, how he has not died yet. It is incredible how strong he is.

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Unfortunately though, his mentality for Catholicism is a whole lot stronger than even his body that has resisted death for so many years.

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We just had another hour with him today, witnessing to him and I pressed him on the gospel really, really hard today because we see him in that same state.

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But it's humbling in terms that we recognize that no matter what,

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God is the one that's in control. Right, I mean, so we, and I know you know this,

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John, and I'm just sharing with you what you already know. It's our job to continue to witness in gentleness and respect and love for family and friends and unbelieving people you don't know.

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But for us to be able to do that and share, but knowing that ultimately God is in control and God's sovereign and that it's all up to God.

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So we'll keep you in prayers for strength. It's hard. The things that we've seen is that family members who aren't saved wanna do their best to stop you from sharing the gospel because they think it's gonna upset them and cause them to die sooner.

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And yeah, it's quite the battle of wickedness out there. So we keep you in prayer and strength for all that and that you have complete open opportunities for it.

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Yeah, thanks. And you know, it's never, there's never a wrong time for Christians to be lifting these things up.

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You know, it's what God's called us to do because none of us are in control of that, but God is.

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And he tells us to pray for one another and pray for the lost. And if you have anything like this going on, to be in prayer.

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And I think, you know, it's good that we are able to stop for a moment and just to talk with you about these issues.

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You know, Anthony has went through, as he just said, a similar issue and is now going through it with his father -in -law.

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And the loss of family is a hard issue, especially when you know or suspect that they're lost.

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And never stop, never stop praying because, you know, God is the

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God that answers prayer. Never stop sharing the gospel because he is also the one that saves souls.

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So we're definitely praying. Yeah. And if I could - Thanks guys, I really do appreciate it.

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What's that? You know, Paul says something in Galatians 1, 15 and 16, that's really been an encouragement to me.

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He said, when it pleased God to reveal Christ in me, there came a time when it pleased

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God to reveal Christ to Saul, Paul. And that moment could not have been advanced.

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It could not have been delayed. There comes a moment in time when it pleases God to reveal Christ to his sheep.

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And you never know when that time may come. So you never know. So just, we'll definitely be praying for you,

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John and your father, and we pray Galatians 1 will come for you.

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Thank you, Justin. All right. Thanks again, guys. And yeah,

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I gotta go. So appreciate your prayers. All right. Thank you,

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John. All right, have a great show. Bye. Thank you, John. All right. So, Justin, you have the clips.

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I got them in order. You could just, if you want any of these that you wanna hit, just give me the clip number and give me the, well, you just have to give me which one you wanna do and you set it up for us.

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Okay. Let's see, my document. The first one that you had, the first one was

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Pat Robertson prophesying Mitt Romney. Yes. Okay, so this one is

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Pat Robertson. This is from back in October of 2012. And he prophesied, had

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Benny Hinn on the 700 Club and he prophesied who would win the 2012 election and 2016.

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So here we go. I mean, that's the way he thinks. And he will be tremendous on the economy.

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He's uncomfortable with foreign policy, I feel. But nevertheless, he'll be a strong, strong man.

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But if he comes in, secondly, he's gonna have a second term. He's gonna win.

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Romney will win the election. You believe that? I absolutely believe that. What makes you believe that?

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Because the Lord told me. Well, that's why I'm glad to know. I wasn't sure how you knew.

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Really, the Lord said that to you? Yeah, absolutely. I told Mitt a long time ago. I called him, I said, listen, I've been in prayer.

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Number one, you're gonna win the nomination. Number two, you're gonna win the general election. He said, well, what can

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I do for you? I said, well, give me a seat on the platform. Okay, one of the things,

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Justin, that's amazing is it sounds like as he's sharing this, and I don't know who the two were that were speaking,

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Pat Robertson's the one, I don't know who the other is, but it sounds like he doesn't even believe him. That's Benny Hinn, wasn't it? It's Benny Hinn, yeah.

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I mean, it sounds like he's not even believing him. Yeah. God told me.

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Oh, really? Oh, whoa, I didn't know. It's called discernment, but. Well, the thing is, is it just are so flippant about saying

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God told them such and such. They're so flippant about it. It's really not a big deal to the vast majority.

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I won't say all, but the vast majority of charismatics, it's not a big deal to them to put words in God's mouth that he did not say.

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And if they miss a prophecy, oh, you know, they call it a mistake. No, it's not a mistake.

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Taking a wrong turn is a mistake. Leaving your milk on the counter overnight, not in the refrigerator, that's a mistake.

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Prophesying falsely, you're putting words in God's mouth, in the Alpha and Omega's mouth that he did not say, and that is an extraordinarily serious thing.

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And we have another clip. The next one is Pat Robertson prophesying who's gonna win the 2020 election, if you wanna.

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Well, he did so good on the first one. Right. He does on the second. Let's find out.

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First of all, I wanna say without question, Trump is going to win the election. And that doesn't mean you sit home and don't vote.

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That means you get up and do everything you can to work, but he's going to win. That's, I think, a given.

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According to what I believe the Lord told me, the president is going to be reelected. I'm saying by all means, get up and vote.

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I think it's time to pray. But ladies and gentlemen, that's the word. You ask what's gonna happen next, that's what's gonna happen next.

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So Trump 2020, that's the message? Yeah. So, I just did a video on this on my

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YouTube channel entitled January 2020 to January 2021, the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad year for the profits.

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I mean. Was it was a video as short as the title? The video is much longer.

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Hours long. I just for the record, Anthony and Justin Pierce, Justin Peters broke my record on here, going longer than any of us have ever gotten here just for the record.

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But yeah, you could go that long. I mean, that's. Just so you know that that's called

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Anthony time. When you go past two hours, it's Anthony time. Okay.

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Two hours when he hosts. Yeah. So Pat Robertson, I mean, think about this.

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If you've ever watched the 700 Club, Pat Robertson, almost every program, kind of towards the end, he gets these words of knowledge.

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He'll hold hands with his co -host. Oh, our name escapes me right now. But anyway, this lady co -host, they'll hold hands and they'll start praying.

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And Pat Robertson will say, you know, someone right now is watching and you've got bursitis in your right shoulder.

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God's healing that right now. And someone else I see, you've got a problem with your neck and God's healing that right now.

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And then he turns to his lady co -host. And what are you seeing? And she'll give words of knowledge too.

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So let me get this straight. You're so in tune with the voice of God that you get words of knowledge in real time about someone's bursitis or bum toe out there watching in TV land.

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God speaks to you that clearly, that regularly. You hear him, you're that in tune with him. And yet you cannot hear him rightly on something as monumental as the

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United States presidential election, an event for which you have years to prepare to make sure you're hearing

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God rightly and an event at which you've got a 50 -50 shot of getting it right just by hearing him.

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And you miss that. And yet God speaks to you in real time telling you about, you know, someone's bobo's out there watching in TV land.

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These people are frauds. They're frauds. They're liars, charlatans.

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You know, it's crazy to me. Well, and first of all, I'm not sick, but my voice got trashed when we were outside and my son wanted to go sledding in the freezing cold weather.

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And after that, my voice was gone. So it's been off for two days. So please pray that my voice comes back because I'm supposed to be teaching an evangelism class that a lot of people signed up for at my church in two days.

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So pray for that. But so Justin, I mean, here's a question I have for you on all this stuff.

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I mean, I have the same love as you do in this type of discernment ministry. And, you know, we've talked about some of the battles

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I've had here. I've been studying NAR for years because of all the people that have gone towards NAR in the

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Cleveland, Ohio area. But when it comes to these people who are continually prophesying and being wrong, where is their fear of God?

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I mean, these guys, like you said, they're so flippant about it. They're joking about it. Look, if I'm even, first of all, if you guys, if I ever tell you guys

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I'm hearing from God, I'm delusional and, you know, shut me down. But if you're speaking -

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You're delusional. You're delusional. Then shut him down. Oh, there he goes. There he goes, shut him down.

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Hey, he told us to do it just for the record. I start doing that kind of stuff. Okay, so anyways.

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Not start the show off that way. Context does not matter anymore. I've already been told that. That's true, you guys can deconstruct whatever

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I say and whatever you want to believe. No, I mean, if you're seriously thinking about speaking for God, wouldn't you be really, really serious about it?

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I mean, you would be walking into this with all sorts of trepidation. I mean, you read through the Old Testament and it doesn't sound like any of these prophets were flippant about what they said.

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I mean, they were pretty terrified about the things they were going to say. They were very careful with their words and what they were saying, especially as they're telling people, you know, interpret my dream and you're giving them bad news.

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I mean, these guys were really serious about it. That's right, Anthony. That's exactly right. The true prophets, the biblical prophets did what they did with fear and trembling.

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And it's such a stark, stark contrast from what we see today. And these people just putting words in God's mouth, just willy -nilly, ridiculous words.

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In fact, in my video, I talk about how Dr. Michael Brown relates this supposed example of real prophecy.

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And this, God spoke to this woman who was a widow of a guy who owned a trucking company and God gave her a word of knowledge to keep on trucking.

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You know, keep on trucking? Really? You really think God talks like that? Keep on trucking. And I made the point, what else did

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God say? Breaker, breaker, one, nine, this here's the rubber duck, you got your ears on? You know,

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God just doesn't talk like that. And real prophets understood the gravity of the task that they had, the magnitude of what they were doing, the one for whom they were speaking.

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And it is a stark contrast with what we see today in these people. They don't take it seriously.

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And you're right, Anthony, they have no fear of God. They have created a

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God after their own image, but they are not worshiping, they are not serving, they're certainly not speaking for the

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God of the Bible, because if they were, they wouldn't be so cavalier about what they're doing.

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This is a very serious thing. And I guess I just don't see it that way. Yeah, it's amazing to me.

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I mean, you know, as Andrew and I have gone around and spoken a lot around the country, I've had a chance to speak even a lot around my hometown here.

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People often ask me, are you scared to go speak in front of crowds?

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And honestly, I'm like, I'm not, I have zero fear of that. You know what I fear though, is I fear when

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I am preaching God's word, things that are written plain black and white in the

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Bible, I fear God in that I am accurately representing

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His word as I am going out and preaching. I fear that every single time I open my mouth in front of a pulpit on the street, when

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I'm talking to people one -on -one, and yet I watch these guys just come up there flippantly, throwing all kinds of things around.

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It's just incredible to me, the type of wickedness that could be encompassing them in order to do this.

42:17

Well, you think about the hermeneutic that's involved in this, you're talking about a new paradigm of direct divine revelation that the first, second century saints would have balked at and rejected wholeheartedly.

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You look at the Athanasian Creed and all the different creeds that are throughout history, this type of canonical revelation, because that's what direct divine revelation is, is when

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Pat Robinson says, the Lord told me, thus saith the Lord, he is saying that God specifically spoke to him.

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That's divine direct revelation. And if God did tell you that, then you can't shake it down and say, well, it's not as important, because Justin is right.

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They were actually prophesying about Aunt Betty's knee or whatever else, and they're equating the healing power of God, the prophetic power of God, all the majestic, if you will, powers of God upon themself.

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And so what they're doing now is they're saying, God told me, and you must hear me, you must respect me, you must obey me.

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And if I got it wrong, I saw a video yesterday that they're saying they didn't get it wrong, but there was little snippets in the old prophecies that they may have missed.

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And so they have to go back and figure out they weren't wrong or how were they not wrong because of this, that, or the other.

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There's always the excuse of, it wasn't that I was wrong, but that I wasn't just right enough in what

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I was saying, or because there was more to be revealed, the progressive revelation movement.

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But it's a never -ending hoo -ha of silliness.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Let me address some questions that were asked earlier.

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Anthony shared about his dad, and someone in the comments had asked, is there a video that they could just see the seven minute clip of him talking about how

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God used COVID to bring his dad to salvation? So I put that here and I can,

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I'll put it in the chat as well for you guys to just be able to click on it, but it's on the YouTube channel.

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I'll leave it up down there for you to type in those letters to find it. So that's there.

44:54

Now, there is a comment here, Anthony, let's see, from Full Belly Bear.

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He says here, Anthony has COVID. I'm getting a word that Anthony is being healed.

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So there you go. But this, I'm just, look, don't blame me for this one, okay?

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This is, you could blame your friend Justin for this, but Justin would like me to show how you and I were flying together.

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And, you know, just because we know that you're very much against masks, but we were on a plane together, and folks, you can see that one of us has a smile on our face.

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Just to be clear. Just to be clear. That man on the right is safe from COVID.

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That's right. And I, obviously, you can see me smiling and enjoying the trip, which

45:47

Anthony looks like he's afraid because, well, he's got a diaper on his face. So -

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Anthony looks like he was angry and ready to kill somebody. Oh, I was. He was ready to kill me for taking a picture of him wearing a mask, is what

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I think. And you have to wait until the wait, well, okay, so here's the trick, guys. Everyone needs to learn this trick.

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With that metal bar that comes across, you're supposed to smash down on your nose. Bend it out from your nose.

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And so you can bend it in a way that you can literally have finger holes that go up in here, and you can breathe just fine through the mask.

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So I hate the idea of having this dumb thing on my face, acting like I'm part of the solution to the ridiculousness of COVID.

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But - Don't you wear this every day at work? What's that? Don't you wear this every day at work? Yeah, when

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I'm working on patients. When I'm worried about blood splattering, not worried about viruses that are in the air that go right through my mask.

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Always known for 40 years with the mask research we've had in the early 1980s.

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Yeah. Ridiculous. I heard a doctor in a video, I think it was yesterday, but he was wearing a mask, and he said,

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I'm wearing this, kind of had it pulled down like this. He said, I'm wearing this not because it works.

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I'm wearing this because I want to convey to other people that I care about them, and which anyway, whatever.

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But he said, these don't work. He said, do they catch some particulate matters?

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He said, yes, they catch some, but he said, it's like throwing a handful of sand through a chain link fence.

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A few of the grains of sand will bounce back, but the vast majority of them are going right through that chain link fence.

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And I thought that, wow, that's a pretty good analogy. That's what it's like, throwing a bunch of sand against some chain link fence. Yeah, a few grains will bounce back, but.

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But most of it's going to go straight through. Yep. I should mention now, put this up here, is if you guys want to join, it's time for a commercial break.

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50:08

So Justin, this next one is Kat Kerr prophesying at Trump's re -election.

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Do you want to set this up for us? Yeah, so Kat Kerr, if you've never seen this woman, oh my word, just go to YouTube, Kat, K -A -T,

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Kat Kerr, K -E -R -R. She's got pink hair, but not because it's just a fashion preference.

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God told her to wear pink hair. This woman has been to heaven in her own words, more times than she can remember.

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It is an unusual day when she does not go to heaven. I mean, she goes to heaven more often than you and I would go to the gas station.

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She, far more often, actually. I mean, she's been to heaven. She's seen all kinds of stuff. There are dinosaurs in heaven, you'll be happy to know, that you can ride.

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You know, like if you've ever wanted to ride a brontosaurus or triceratops, you're really gonna like heaven.

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So she's a weather warrior. She lives down in Florida.

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And so anytime a hurricane is threatening, she gets out there on the beach with her Gandalf staff.

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I would love to see that. I'm trying to hold it together. I'm sorry.

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You can't make this stuff up. I mean, honestly. With her pink hair and the staff.

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You shall not. Yeah, she does that. She commands, she say,

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I command the millibars to rise, rise, rise. Nevermind that millibars aren't actually a thing.

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They're just a unit of measurement. They don't actually exist. But she talks to them anyway. I mean, and of course the hurricane just barrels on in and doesn't seem to have much regard for her

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Gandalf staff. But anyway, this is Kat Kerr. I mean, she's Looney Tunes. Absolutely Looney Tunes.

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All right. Can you play the clip, Andrew? Yeah, here we go. Okay. Here's the first question.

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Do you really believe President Trump is going to be reelected? If you are caught up to the throne of God and he face -to -face tells you he is winning, there's no doubt whatsoever.

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He will win because that's God's plan. That's God's plan.

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Yeah, so, and I've got another clip of her. I don't know if we'll get to it or not.

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But anyway, see. You want me to play that one now? It's number nine. Yeah, you can go to.

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Okay, now, before you play it, this was recorded on January 13th. Okay, so a week after the electors were certified, a week after the riots, and a week before, of course,

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Biden's inauguration, so. Well, I got to correct you there. Don't take the media's narrative.

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There were no riots. Okay, the riots were what happened today in Portland when

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BLM was marching through and justifying, saying riots is the language of the unheard.

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And if we break your things, get over it. I mean, that's what is a riot, when they start breaking things, burning cities.

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But okay, so let's listen to Kat Kerr. That's what God meant.

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He meant that Trump will serve two terms, one then and one in 2024.

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That is what happened. And those emails are still passing around saying, that's probably what

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God meant. No, that is not what God said, period. He never said that.

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He said he would run two consecutive terms. He would be in office when he first announced, before he actually won the first time, he will be in office for eight years, then announce the next eight years, and we can go into that a little bit if you want to.

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Okay, nobody in that side is going to the dark side either. You only knew the power of the dark side.

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I'll just say, he said eight years for Trump, eight years for Pence, and eight years for whoever he picks to replace him.

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There, I've said it. Okay, so the Darth Vader, it was my little edit in the video that I did.

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But so she's very specific that God has spoken to her, and it's not going to be a

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Grover Cleveland kind of thing, two different separated terms, with some time in between, two consecutive terms.

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Not only that, but then Mike Pence will be the president for eight years after Trump. And there's another clip.

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I don't think we have this one queued up, but where she says that God walked into her bedroom and woke her up.

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He walked into her bed. I mean, that's nothing unusual for Kat, I mean. Okay. Kat spends most of her time around the throne room of God anyway.

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But God walked into her bedroom, and her words shouted as loudly as he could.

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Did he now? So would he turn to powder if God did that? But I mean, yeah, so false prophet, false prophet.

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And she's been interviewed on Kenneth Copeland's network very recently, multiple times.

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So, and Kenneth Copeland is, he's huge, he's huge. So this is not, this stuff is not the, can

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I ride down a source and sing in the Dolly Chorus? Apparently, if Kat Kerr's right, and she must be, because she goes to heaven daily.

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But this is not the fringe of the charismatic movement. This is the mainstream of the charismatic movement.

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The fringe of the charismatic movement is people like Wayne Grudem and Sam Storms and John Piper.

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That's the fringe. That's the fringe of the charismatic movement. The mainstream of the charismatic movement is

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Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyer and Joel Osteen and Creflo Dollar and Kat Kerr, who thinks she goes to heaven and rides dinosaurs.

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That's the mainstream. Yeah. So she, her,

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I have her website pulled up right now. It's just, I mean, hysterical and sad. Well, I'm trying to find some video of her with the

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Gandalf staff in the storms, but I do like what Chris says here on there. Kat Kerr is something that sounds, something that sounds something that the

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Babylon Bee would come up with. Unfortunately, Kat Kerr isn't satire. Yeah.

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I mean, and Sid Roth. Sid Roth is a lot of this stuff I've gotten off of Sid Roth's program.

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Sid Roth has the looniest people that you could possibly imagine.

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The Sid Roth program, it's supernatural. That is what the Babylon Bee wants to be when it grows up.

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That, that is. And Sid Roth's YouTube channel has 1 .26

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million subscribers. 1 .26 million. So it gives you an idea of just how, this is the mainstream of the charismatic movement.

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It's not the fringe. This is true. So, well, let's.

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Okay. Let me ask you a question real quick. I mean, the only thing,

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I mean, I hate to say it, but as we're talking about it and we're going through some of these things, there's the

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Paula White, she's got the Paula White rap. Have you seen that where she's doing the, and the music behind it and the cat shows up and they're all jamming out to it.

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And I look at that and I go, you know, I laugh. And with all these things, I kind of laugh. What breaks my heart is

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I have family members that listen to this stuff as if it was from God. Yep. So while it's funny and while we do this and we jest and we, you know, there's this like that, you know,

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I think what breaks my heart is, how many million followers did you say Sid Roth has?

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1 .26 million. And by comparison, Grace To You has about 400 something, thousand.

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So Sid Roth has triple what Grace To You has. That's so sad.

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For folks who, I'm playing the, I'm not playing the audio, but there she is with her pink hair in the dark and her

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Gandalf staff. I'm not going to play whatever she's saying there, but at least you guys could see her, those who are watching the video.

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Yeah. Justin, did you finish your thought there, brother? Well, brother, I was just thinking how heartbreaking it is that we have so many people.

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I remember there was a lady, her and her husband were coming to church for quite a while and she started listening to this stuff.

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And all of a sudden, the church that she was going to as well, they were bouncing back and forth.

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They started teaching the Blackerby stuff. And all of a sudden

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God was telling her things and she was having visions and dreams in her bed. She would actually in her dreams go,

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God would take her into the bottom of the ocean and show her earthquakes that were going on. And then eventually in her, and she says, she was, what do you call that?

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The astral. Astral projection. Yeah. God is taking her down there so that she can help control these earthquakes.

01:00:03

And that's what her spiritual calling was. And she talked about it all the time.

01:00:09

And you couldn't get her out of it because of people like Sid Roth and all these other false teachers.

01:00:16

And it sounds so appealing because what are we doing? We are living our lives to the glory of God.

01:00:22

We're trying to share the gospel, trying to be witnesses, trying to be salt and light, knowing the word of God, examining all things and holding fast to that which is true and good.

01:00:31

We're studying the scripture. We're not looking for spiritual giddy ups or all these spiritual feelings and emotions.

01:00:42

And I don't want to be Superman. But the thing that I get out of this from so many is these are spiritual

01:00:50

Superman. And that's what the Hulks and the Thors and all that other stuff in Marvel.

01:00:56

And well, it's so entertaining that we got to put that in our church. We got to put that in here. And you know what?

01:01:01

Our God's better. We can prophesy. We can project like Thor does and the

01:01:10

Bifrost and all that other stuff. And you're going, that's all silliness.

01:01:17

And I think if I'm not mistaken, Paul the apostle talks about that there were so many that were caught up in this, that were caught up in the

01:01:27

Ephesian church and the Corinthian church that got themselves caught up in the spiritual movements of the world and started going after Zeus and Apollo.

01:01:37

They even called him Apollos, didn't they? You know, they called Peter, they called all these different gods.

01:01:45

You're these different Greek gods because they wanted to compare the power. And I see that same thing going on here and it's tragic.

01:01:52

Yeah, yeah. So my friend has a question. He texted me. He said he can't get it on.

01:01:58

He can't get into the chat. So he says this, Justin, I agree these prophets are loony tunes.

01:02:06

However, does the prophecy account for the theft of an election in the middle of the night? Trump was winning by a landslide and lost due to theft and corruption.

01:02:15

Or is prophecy prophecy? I understand with Kat saying it'd be Trump. I don't know what she said the rest of it or what he said the rest of it.

01:02:25

But basically that's the question. So how do you account for the fact that the election was stolen?

01:02:32

Yeah, well, here's the thing. And I agree, I think there was massive election fraud and I'm not some black helicopter conspiracy theorist guy.

01:02:41

I think it's just obvious. I mean, when you look at the numbers, I think there was clearly election fraud but that does not excuse these prophets because not only did they prophesy that Trump would win but they also specifically prophesied that he would have a second term.

01:02:58

So he's clearly not serving his second term. And to add another layer to that, if God was truly speaking to these people, then

01:03:12

God would have said, hey, you know, Trump's really gonna win the election.

01:03:20

He's gonna win the election but it's gonna be stolen from him by election fraud. So, I mean, if God was speaking to these people, he would have told them exactly what would have happened.

01:03:31

And they would have come out in, you know, September and August and said,

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Trump's gonna win the election but it's gonna be stolen from him and Joe Biden's gonna sit in the White House. None of them said that.

01:03:43

But if they were truly prophets and God was speaking to them, God would have told them that. He would have told them what actually happened which he obviously didn't.

01:03:51

And, you know, God, I mean, it's not like God hasn't given prophets prophecies in the

01:03:57

Old Testament that didn't come true for, you know, like 700 years. So he probably could have figured out if there was gonna be election fraud ahead of time to tell these so -called prophets.

01:04:09

You know, I love when, Justin, you had said, I forget where it was, one of the programs we've done together. And you said something where, you know, these guys are sitting here prophesying all this stuff for their 2020 vision and yet they missed

01:04:23

COVID, election fraud, lockdowns, a destroyed economy.

01:04:30

I mean - The riots. Yeah. They missed Donald Trump, the leader of the free world, getting

01:04:36

COVID. So you can, the confluence of the president of the United States getting this disease that we've all been talking about for the last, you know, whatever, 11 months.

01:04:48

They missed that. They missed the Buffalo headdress guy sitting in the

01:04:53

Senate chamber. How do you miss that? I mean, if God was, how do you miss something like that?

01:04:59

Well, you miss him because he was not actually at the protesting. They had him in the side door.

01:05:05

But, all right, so let's go. We're gonna go to Nicholas here. He's got a question for us. Again, if you guys wanna join and ask questions, go to apologeticslive .com.

01:05:13

Nicholas, welcome back. What do you have for us this week as a question? Yeah, how's it going? Can you hear me? Yes, we can.

01:05:19

Okay, perfect. Yeah, so I was just wondering, this is a question that goes back from earlier this summer, but I found it in my notebook.

01:05:27

I've been thinking about it, but studying compatible and libertarian free will and understanding the difference between the two.

01:05:36

And so with compatible free will, right? Only being able to choose according to one's nature.

01:05:43

So for me as a redeemed saint, that still from time to time chooses, probably more than from time to time, but chooses according to the flesh.

01:05:55

So the old nature. So I've just been having a really hard time trying to, I guess, understand that as a

01:06:02

Christian, because I see it as, yep, you choose according to your nature, you're dead in your sin, that's all you can do.

01:06:08

Your new nature, you have new desires and choose according to those, but at the same time, choose according to the sinful old self as well.

01:06:18

So I guess for me, I keep picturing it as like, and trying not to fall into perfectionism, because that's obviously not what it's saying, but for some reason,

01:06:27

I still just have a hard time grasping it. So if you could help me understand that maybe a little more simply.

01:06:33

Yeah, let me, and I put the others backstage. We're just, the two of us can ask you some questions. So we'll go forth for a bit and then we'll bring them in to let them answer as well.

01:06:41

I think that there's a major doctrine that many people, when it comes to this issue, miss. It's called the doctrine of superintending.

01:06:48

And so what I wanna do is take a couple of steps back with you and just evaluate some other theology topics that we might agree on.

01:06:56

Who wrote the book of Romans? Paul. No, no, who wrote the book of Romans?

01:07:06

God? Yeah, okay. Which one's right? God, of course.

01:07:13

Well, right, so God, 100 % of the credit, even though Paul chose his words. This is when we speak of inspiration.

01:07:21

It is this idea of superintending that God works through the human author, such that even though he chose his words, it is to the dot exactly as God intended it to be.

01:07:35

All right, so God works through the human author in such a way that as he is writing, it's

01:07:42

God who gets 100 % of the credit, even though Paul writes differently than Peter, writes differently than John, writes differently than Moses.

01:07:49

They all have a different styles. Yet God worked through each one of them that the words that they think they're choosing,

01:07:56

God's actually working behind the scenes, working through them, superintending the words.

01:08:01

Can we agree on that? Yeah. Okay. Let's do another one. You get saved, you're regenerated, the process of sanctification.

01:08:10

Do you do good works? I would believe that would be a fruit of my salvation.

01:08:16

So yeah. Do you get credit for those good works? I try not to, no.

01:08:24

So I'd say that God does, that's my hope. So we think we do good works, right?

01:08:30

We choose to do things and yet it's actually God superintending through us so that again,

01:08:35

God gets 100 % of the credit, we get none, and yet we feel like we've done things, we've chosen.

01:08:42

So in both these cases, experientially, the human thinks he has done the work.

01:08:50

Theologically, God has done it. So have these in play. Now let's move that into the area of regeneration as we end up looking.

01:09:00

When people talk about the idea of free will, first off, the will's not free. Romans makes it clear, the will is enslaved to sin.

01:09:08

It's not free. And so you have a will that is enslaved to sin and as such, it can't do anything but that until when someone becomes a

01:09:22

Christian in the Holy Spirit and dwells in them, then they actually have a free will. The fact of a will is the volition, the making of choices.

01:09:29

The free part means that it's not, whether it's controlled or enslaved to something or whether it's free from that enslavement, that's the difference.

01:09:40

So when we look at regeneration, people struggle because theologically, they read the

01:09:46

Bible and it says God chose them. But experientially, they're like, but I chose God.

01:09:52

That's the struggle that they have. But that's the same struggle that we have at inspiration and sanctification. So if we look at those two and apply that here with the doctrine of superintending, we can end up seeing that God can superintend so that even though you think you're putting your faith in Christ, you're making a choice, it's actually

01:10:11

God working through you such that he gets 100 % of the credit, you get none, but yet you chose.

01:10:19

So if we see it with inspiration, we see it with sanctification, it's not a far stretch to see it with regeneration.

01:10:26

And that really resolves a lot of the debate that people have because they're struggling between the experiential and the theological.

01:10:33

I would rather fall on, if I'm gonna err, I'm gonna err on the side of being theologically right than experientially right.

01:10:40

But you understand that difference? Yeah, yeah, certainly. Is that helpful for you?

01:10:46

Yeah, it is. Because I mean, I've always understood it is, right? Like, I mean, obviously you're dead in your sin, like before God saved me.

01:10:56

Yeah, it just resonates to who I was. I was a hater of God to the point of just bad things.

01:11:04

So yeah, definitely. But for some reason, my flesh just wanted to do gymnastics with that idea.

01:11:11

And just like, well, how do you know? And it's just like, because God's word says and the promises that God made to his children, right?

01:11:20

To the believers, to those who are in Christ. And so, yeah, no, that makes sense, especially with you bringing in the other things into it.

01:11:29

I can actually see the contrast, I guess I should, that's the right word to use. Well, not the contrast, but the similarity.

01:11:37

Yeah, sorry. And just for the record, note the difference, folks, of what Nicholas did there, as opposed to what we've been hearing clips from Justin Peters, the clips he's been talking about, right?

01:11:48

Nicholas is saying God's word says, he's not crediting God for saying things that's not in his work.

01:11:55

Just a note. So I don't know if Justin, Justin, or Anthony, if any of you wanna tackle this as well, this question.

01:12:04

Nope, you answered it right. Well, okay, since you asked.

01:12:11

Anytime you ask Justin to speak, you know he's gonna give you words. You threw it out there, so I'm gonna answer it too.

01:12:17

I agree with what Andrew said wholeheartedly. Here's one thing, Nicholas, and everybody else just to think about.

01:12:24

The story of Lazarus in the grave. Lazarus, when he was in the grave, the

01:12:32

Lord told Lazarus, come forth. There's a theological conundrum here.

01:12:37

If God had just said, come forth, commanding all in the grave to come forth, would they have all come forth equally as Lazarus would have?

01:12:45

Yes. If he had commanded all of the grave to open up, and we know that because one day he will.

01:12:52

One day he will open all the graves up. But he specifically told Lazarus to come forth. Now, which part of Lazarus' free will did

01:13:00

Lazarus exercise in order for Lazarus to come forth? None. Well, if you're dead in trespass and sin, you're spiritually dead, and I know there's a physical and a spiritual allegory or analysis here, shall

01:13:14

I say, but here's the issue. Before you get to the spiritual analysis and the physical analysis,

01:13:20

Lazarus was dead. His spirit was somewhere, right? So Lazarus had to come forth at the will of God the

01:13:28

Son, at the word of God the Son, and he came forth whole as God the

01:13:34

Son had called him to. You know, Lord, he stinketh. You know, he's been there for multiple days and he stinketh.

01:13:41

And you have to think about this. When Lazarus comes forth, he didn't exercise his own will.

01:13:47

And if you look at this issue with the will of man, yes, we do have a will as dead men.

01:13:55

We cannot do what righteous men do, okay? Christ must make us righteous and he must make us alive.

01:14:03

You know, I'll close up the answer with, have you ever read William Shakespeare?

01:14:08

Shakespeare had a very good theological point. He says, all the world is a stage and all the men and women are merely players.

01:14:22

They have their exits and their entrances. And one man in his time plays many parts.

01:14:28

And the point he was making was, we all have a part to play in the act of God's history.

01:14:36

We all have a part to play in it. And God uses us as he sees fit.

01:14:41

We live and die at the will of God. We get our breath by the will of God. And everything comes from the

01:14:47

God of scripture, of God of creation, okay? So what, who is more free in that scenario?

01:14:54

The God who gives everything or the people who receive everything? Right. We only work in his history, okay?

01:15:02

And so while we have the privilege of doing whatever we will, we are still just players in his story.

01:15:12

So I hope that helps. Yeah. All right. Let me, it sounded like Justin Peters was also gonna respond.

01:15:18

So did you wanna talk to this as well, Justin, or? I really don't know how much more I could contribute to what's already been said.

01:15:25

It's, and I agree with everything that's been said. I would say maybe just as one word of encouragement to you, maybe not a direct answer to your question specifically, but I think one of the paradoxes of the

01:15:38

Christian life is that the more mature we become in Christ, the more sensitive we are to our own sin.

01:15:48

And I think that's what we see in Romans 7, Paul writing that. So it really is a paradox that as time goes on in our

01:16:00

Christian life, we should see an increasing pattern of holiness and a decreasing pattern of sin.

01:16:06

But with that increasing pattern of holiness, we will be more sensitive to sin in our lives that maybe 10 years before wasn't even on our radar.

01:16:19

And so it really is a paradox. And maybe at times because of that, we're tempted to think, gosh, am

01:16:27

I really growing in Christ because I still see sin in me? But it's, I think the evidence, the very fact that we do see sin in our lives and we are aware of it is in and of itself evidence that we are growing in him.

01:16:41

Does that make sense? Yeah, no, I completely agree. Yeah, yep. All right, well, and just for a full belly bear says, and Nicholas, I know you were laughing at this comment.

01:16:52

Wow, good job breaking it down for us, Andrew. But even though you did a good job, you don't get any of the credit.

01:16:58

No. No. Good job. Hey, I don't know if you guys, some of you guys notice, and thanks for your questions,

01:17:05

Nicholas. We're gonna go on to someone else in a minute. We're gonna go to Josh. But just for you guys,

01:17:11

I don't know if you noticed in the comments, our fake Hebrew Israelite is back in the comments.

01:17:20

Folks, if you go back to a previous episode of Apologetics Live, you know that we were trying to get this gentleman who says that he is a

01:17:33

Hebrew Israelite because of the color of his skin, and I'm not by my genealogy.

01:17:38

You guys figure out how you tell it, if someone's an Israelite, whether it's genealogy or color of skin.

01:17:44

But we'll just reach out to him and say, hey, you can come on in and actually ask questions.

01:17:52

And unless, maybe he's just a keyboard warrior and he's afraid of people that actually know how to read the

01:17:59

Bible. I don't know. I'm gonna keep asking him if he knows what the gospel is because every time he gets on here -

01:18:06

He doesn't wanna answer that. He doesn't wanna answer that at all. We're all hated. He says that Esau, Moabites, Elimelechites, et cetera, you have no salvation,

01:18:18

God hates you. Okay, we're lost. Come on in, talk to us and show us how we're lost because you need to be able to convincingly demonstrate the scriptural account that we're lost.

01:18:28

Hold on, hold on. You're missing the point, Justin. I know. As he says, you have no salvation because of the color of your skin.

01:18:36

Because of my skin color. Racist, no. All right, so let's bring Josh in here.

01:18:42

Josh, welcome to the program. How are you tonight? Oh, thanks. Yeah, I'm doing great. How are you guys doing?

01:18:48

Good, good. What's your question for us tonight? My question is, so if one makes a claim that is not discernible, say a prophecy that's not discernible by the word of God, regardless of whether or not it actually comes true, say

01:19:06

Trump becomes president, would we not still consider that person a false prophet if in fact, going off of Revelations 22, 18, and then

01:19:21

I also would bring in maybe Ephesians 2, 20, talking about Jesus being the cornerstone, prophets and apostles, the foundation.

01:19:33

So Justin, it sounds like that question is gonna be directed to you. Let me just throw a caveat in there.

01:19:39

Looks like you have a little girl that wants to get in. It's okay. Hi. Hi. There you go.

01:19:47

So Justin, let me throw in when you answer that, a question I asked you on Chris's show as well.

01:19:54

Some people will use the 2 Samuel 7 passage to say that a prophet can be wrong and still be a prophet.

01:20:02

So maybe you can answer that. Yeah, so, okay. If I understand your question rightly,

01:20:10

Josh, when you say if someone makes a prophecy that's not discernible by scripture, you mean like you can't prove it one way or the other?

01:20:17

Is that what you mean? Yeah, say like an asteroid will hit the earth and kill a third of the people on December 3rd of this year.

01:20:24

You know, something wild like that. A claim that you can't discern by the word of God using the

01:20:29

Holy Spirit within us. Yeah, yeah, okay. All right, so of course

01:20:35

I'm a cessationist and I do not believe that there are still apostles and prophets today. Sure.

01:20:41

So anyone claiming to be a prophet today is automatically a false prophet. It's just when they make prophecies about such major events they're so easily proven to be what they already were.

01:20:56

So yeah, anyone claiming to speak for God today is by definition a false prophet because there are no more.

01:21:03

The church was built, in fact, you cited the text, Ephesians 2, the church was built upon the foundation of the apostles and the prophets they're teaching.

01:21:11

And then for the last 2 ,000 years, Christ has been building his church on top of that.

01:21:19

So yeah, so they would be false prophets. What was the other part of the question?

01:21:30

Well, basically that was it. I mean, just the question was basically it. I think Andrew had a -

01:21:35

I had asked if you could also explain the second. Okay, yeah. The seven passage that some try to use to say that a prophet could be wrong but still a prophet of God.

01:21:46

And so this is a good thing to discuss too because one of the arguments that charismatics make is that New Testament prophets are not held to the same standard as the

01:21:57

Old Testament. In other words, New Testament prophets can be fallible. Old Testament prophets, they would have to admit were held to a 100 % accuracy standard, but they say

01:22:08

New Testament prophets weren't. You know, they could be fallible. Well, that breaks down very, very quickly.

01:22:14

In fact, it doesn't even make any sense because the whole theme of the New Testament is that we have something better.

01:22:24

Jesus is our better high priest. He has a better name. He offered a better sacrifice. He gives us a better covenant.

01:22:30

Everything in the New Testament is better except apparently prophecy. Thanks. Prophecy somehow just took a steep nosedive in the

01:22:41

New Testament. Only thing that did, conveniently, but prophecy did.

01:22:46

So it just, it doesn't make sense. New Testament prophets were held to the exact same standard that Old Testament prophets were.

01:22:54

Now, they will say, well, just because you're a prophet doesn't mean that you can't make a mistake.

01:23:02

That's true to an extent. And what I mean by that is this. Nobody is saying that genuine prophets never made mistakes.

01:23:10

They did. In fact, in 2 Samuel 7, verses one through six there, five or six, so Nathan told

01:23:26

King David, basically, to paraphrase here, hey, yeah, go ahead and build the temple.

01:23:33

God is with you. Nathan was just giving his opinion to David.

01:23:41

He wasn't saying, thus saith the Lord, go and build the temple. He was just giving his opinion. But what happened later that night, when

01:23:47

Nathan went to sleep, it says in verse four, but in the same night, the word of the Lord came to Nathan saying, go and say to my servant

01:23:54

David, this is what the Lord, Yahweh, says. Should you build me a house for my dwelling?

01:24:00

For have I not dwelt in a house since the day I brought up the sons of Israel from Egypt, even to this day? So in other words, earlier in the day,

01:24:08

Nathan gave his opinion, but then God came to Nathan in a dream, a prophetic dream, and said, no, this is what

01:24:16

I say. And so Nathan was corrected. But when Nathan gave his opinion to David, that's all he was doing.

01:24:21

He was just giving his opinion. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. That sounds like a good idea. You wanna do that? Go ahead, bless you, the

01:24:26

Lord's with you. That was his opinion. So it's not that a prophet couldn't be wrong or make a mistake in something that they just did on a typical day.

01:24:36

For example, like if Isaiah, one day, hypothetically speaking, Isaiah is talking to one of his friends and he looks up in the sky and says, wow, it looks like it's gonna rain today, but it didn't rain that day.

01:24:47

It doesn't mean Isaiah was a false prophet. But if he had said, God says to me or thus saith the

01:24:54

Lord, it's going to rain today and it doesn't rain, then there would be a problem. So that's the difference.

01:25:01

When prophets speak, thus saith the Lord, they are held to a 100 % accuracy standard.

01:25:10

And if they don't meet that, then they are by definition false prophets. Does that help?

01:25:18

Yeah. Okay. Thank you. All right, Justin or Anthony, do either of you want to add any more to that?

01:25:30

All right, well, thank you for that, Josh. Real quick, I just wanna tell you what

01:25:35

Justin was saying. A stop clock is right twice a day.

01:25:41

That's right. So there's what I wanna add. Yeah, that's right. All right.

01:25:47

So Josh, thank you very much. And I'll put you in the backstage. If you have more questions, feel free to just leave us that in the private chat and we'll bring you back in, okay?

01:25:58

All right, next up that we have here is Christopher, who Anthony said is a friend of his, goes to church with Anthony.

01:26:05

So our prayers are with you, Christopher. We're sorry about that. You know, it's funny as, well, hang on,

01:26:12

I think I just. No, we hear you fine. Okay, you hear me? Yep. Anthony and I are dear friends.

01:26:18

We have a very rich and entertaining history. And as Andrew, as you consistently rip on Justin, Anthony and I tend to bust each other up a little bit.

01:26:32

And I will tell you, Anthony is in this group right here. It's all my fault. I discipled him 10 years ago and it took.

01:26:40

And here we are. It took for you to blame. Okay. I was gonna, my name is

01:26:47

Christopher, but I was gonna actually enter it as it's all my fault. In fact,

01:26:52

I may going forward do that just so that we can all laugh. It's okay. I'm glad that you discipled him so he could be here because he is kind of like the punching bag for our jokes.

01:27:05

It's easy. It's like the easy target. You know, he is the low hanging fruit when it comes to mockery.

01:27:12

You know, it's just. You know, and I was, when he said before that his throat was jacked up because of sledding,

01:27:18

I'm like, well, that's the best thing that this group has heard in a while. Yeah. You'd like to get out of here on time. You know,

01:27:23

I just, I wish that his voice would do that when we're out on the streets doing open air evangelism so that I could get some time on the box because he just wants to hog it.

01:27:32

He just wants it. Like, here I am. I got this box. Hey, listen, let me, before I outsmart you every time.

01:27:38

Yeah. Hey, listen, just before you go to your question, some were saying earlier with our Hebrew or fake

01:27:44

Hebrew Israelite, so that there's no question that he's a racist. He had this comment earlier in YouTube.

01:27:51

God is a racist according to him. So, you know, just in case you're wondering, we don't have to worry about whether he's a racist.

01:28:01

Pastor Justin, you have your - I've got my hand up. Yes, I want to ask a question, but it's okay, sir. Just when the

01:28:09

Bible tells us that God is going to save out of every, what is it? What is it? Every race?

01:28:15

Every tribe. Every tribe. No, no, no, no. Only the ones that are BHI. Only the

01:28:20

Israelites. Okay. You know, it's actually, it actually is kind of funny that these fake

01:28:25

Hebrew Israelites do the same thing that the real Israelites did in the Old Testament, that they were supposed to share the gospel with all, but they just kept it to themselves.

01:28:36

Yeah. So, yeah. So, Christopher, it's all your fault. So, what do you got for us tonight?

01:28:45

So, I'm the one who submitted the question to, through Anthony, because I couldn't figure out how to get in about the, you know, that it was prophecies where prophets were saying that Trump would get elected.

01:28:59

We knew he was ahead by a lot when we all went to bed that night, and in the morning he wasn't.

01:29:05

And Anthony and I had an exchange and about the fraud and corruption, and you guys made comments on it, but did

01:29:13

God cause the fraud to happen, or did he allow the fraud to happen? And I think

01:29:18

I know the answer, but I'd like you guys to. Who wants to tackle that first? He ordains all.

01:29:24

Well, hold on, hold on. He ordains, he ordains. Let's let Anthony go first, and then we'll go with Pastor Justin.

01:29:31

I'll be quiet. Go ahead, Justin. Okay, so you're right. He ordains all things. Now, here's the thing.

01:29:38

God cannot sin, and he cannot be tempted to sin, and he doesn't tempt anyone to sin. That's what the scripture tells us.

01:29:44

Okay? He ordains all things. Then there's a difference. God did not sin and say,

01:29:51

I'm going to cause these guys over here by grabbing them and forcing them to do evil.

01:29:59

They did their own wickedness. They did their own evil, okay? And I believe it was sin. They stole, they defrauded, they coveted, they lied.

01:30:08

All the things that you see in that, I mean, look, there's video of these guys pulling out boxes of ballots and everything else.

01:30:19

Okay, that's conspiracy. Okay, but the videos are conspiracy. We all know that. It's all lie.

01:30:24

But, and all the narratives and everything else are based upon lying and deception, and God is not the author of sin.

01:30:34

Does he allow it? Does he destine it? Does he decree it? Is it part of what

01:30:40

God is using as, Joshua understood it. What they meant for evil,

01:30:46

God uses for good. Okay, God meant for good. What's that? Joseph said that.

01:30:52

I'm sorry, I didn't think, wrong person. But the whole point is, is no,

01:30:59

God didn't force them to do anything in the context of evil, and God did not do evil.

01:31:07

So John Arthur and Mike Riccardi both have great position papers on this.

01:31:13

And so Chris, I'll actually be teaching on this either the fourth or fifth session in our evangelism and apologetics training for this year at our church starting this

01:31:23

Saturday. And one of the great ways to explain it is this, and I know Andrew knows this because he was there with me when we heard

01:31:30

Mike Riccardi give this talk live before Shepherds Conference a few years ago. He said, who put

01:31:38

Christ on the cross, right? Because we think of the biggest evil of all time, it's Christ's death on the cross, right?

01:31:44

The one who knew no sin, who became sin. And so Jesus was on the cross, who put him there?

01:31:52

Well, the ultimate cause is God. We read that in Acts. God is the ultimate cause, it was a preordained plan from before the foundation of the world that his son was gonna go to the cross.

01:32:04

And yet it was carried out by the evil of the hearts of the Romans and the

01:32:10

Jews. And so it was God's ordained plans, but it was carried up by the

01:32:15

Romans and Jews. Therefore the chargeable cause is what he calls it. The chargeable cause is blamed on the

01:32:22

Romans specifically for putting him there, the Jews for inciting him to be put there. They're charged with the evilness of the sin and God is not, and yet God still ordains.

01:32:33

It's the greatest example, he had several more. I can certainly send you those position papers, which are excellent to read through to give you a better understanding of all that.

01:32:45

Amen. Justin Peters, look forward to seeing you in September at Olmstead Falls Bible Church.

01:32:55

Christopher, I'm looking forward to it as well, brother. You can tell me in person that it's all my fault.

01:33:01

Okay. I get to tell you when I'm there, I think in April, I think I'm... You're coming in April, Andrew?

01:33:08

Yeah, I haven't worked it out yet. At some point, I'm going to have Andrew to come in.

01:33:13

I like to boost him up a little bit so he feels smart around us. And so I'll bring him in in April and let him speak a little bit.

01:33:22

It makes him... Who wrote the foreword to your book, Anthony? No, no, no, no. Let's correct that.

01:33:27

Who wrote like half his book? Well, it's not my fault you had to write for my co -writer. So when

01:33:35

I come out with a second edition, I'll take his name out and I'll let you have a few more of the chapters in it.

01:33:43

And Anthony, I'll admit to this one though, Christopher, is Anthony, after I got done reviewing your book for the first round of editing, how much more was added?

01:33:54

Yeah, I mean, I more than doubled the book. And the thing that you helped me realize is that the way that people read is different than when you speak.

01:34:05

And so there has to be a lot more explanation as you write things out in teaching topics.

01:34:11

And yeah, so yeah, you're right. So the book kind of doubled. And it's funny because as I've continued to be trained and mentored by Mike Riddle in terms of teaching, that's some of the stuff that you're now learning is how to explain these things thoroughly and make it engaging in classwork or in classrooms.

01:34:32

So it's all about our continuing to learn how to grow and teach in front of people.

01:34:39

So, but yeah, certainly for the book, it doubled in size after you kind of said, hey, you gotta explain things more.

01:34:46

And your co -author did literally, what Anthony meant there was that his co -author, when

01:34:52

I was helping him write his sections, I gave him things that I would say, and he literally put that in word for word.

01:35:02

And I actually, I wonder if he had a voice recorder on you, because a lot of stuff he wrote was right out of your mouth.

01:35:11

He actually was writing it down. He's like, oh, give that to me again. And I was like, John, these are my words.

01:35:16

You gotta put it in your words. I'm like, I'm not gonna be quoting you with things

01:35:22

I've been saying for 30 years. That's not gonna happen. And he's like, but that'd be funny. And I'm like, it's -

01:35:28

So can we say that Anthony was subliminally being prophesied by you to what to write?

01:35:35

Almost word for word? Well, that would be his co -writer, his co -author. But you got told him what to write.

01:35:45

I guess so. In that case, that'd be blasphemy because that'd be saying I'm God, so no. Well, I didn't mean it to go that way, but.

01:35:54

There's the book. There it is. There you go. That's the book. That's the book. Gentlemen, thank you for everything that you do.

01:36:02

I really appreciate it. And Anthony, I will see you Saturday. Sounds good. See you Saturday, in God's grace.

01:36:09

Thanks, Chris. Good night. Good night, Chris. All right, so. I'll throw something real quick to our

01:36:15

Hebrew -Israelite friend here. Sure, do you want me to bring up one of the comments? Exodus 15 .3,

01:36:22

that comment at 7 .32 p .m. Kind of scanning his comments. Seems to be a big deal about the

01:36:30

Lord is his name. Actually, Lord is not his name.

01:36:35

That would be Yahweh, Tetragrammaton. So yeah, just a little point of reference there.

01:36:46

So he seems to be so big on this. And yet, his name is Yahweh, Y -H -W -H.

01:36:54

Just saying. Maybe you wanna comment on the next one he said there. Repentance is only for Israel.

01:37:03

Well, let me just, before Justin responds to that, and say the fact that he doesn't know who

01:37:09

Israel is. Okay, this is one of the problems you have with these fake

01:37:15

Hebrew -Israelites. They think that, they twist the scriptures to take one word out of Deuteronomy 28, the word ship, when it talks about slavery.

01:37:28

And they forget that it's slavery in Egypt, that they don't take literal, that there's slaves that don't have buyers, which means no one sold them.

01:37:37

They sold themselves. So he ignores that. And they say ship, and they say, this can only be the

01:37:43

African slave trade. So the Africans are the true Israelites. That's their argument. So he doesn't even know who the

01:37:50

Israelites are, because the Israelites are people that are born from the lineage of Israel.

01:37:59

Right? So that is the 12 tribes of Israel.

01:38:07

That's where that comes from. You have to be in that genealogy. He can't trace his genealogy back.

01:38:12

He argues that it's based on color of skin. So first off, I mean,

01:38:17

I'm going to focus on what is Israel. When he says repentance is for Israel, he doesn't know who Israel is.

01:38:24

The second part is, is it only for Israel? And Justin, I don't know if you want to respond to that part. To which part?

01:38:32

Is it only for Israel? Only for Israel. Well, God granted repentance to the

01:38:39

Gentiles as well, right? In book of Acts. I mean, no, it's not. There's neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female.

01:38:46

We are all one in Christ Jesus. God has his people from every tongue, tribe, and nation. Honestly, the gymnastics you have to do to get around these texts is just mind blowing.

01:38:58

It's gobsmacking. And it's intentional dishonesty with the texts.

01:39:05

And I really, I don't know who this fella is, but you, my friend, are in need of repentance.

01:39:14

You are in need of God granting you faith and repentance. Because there's no way you can be a regenerate man and have that kind of hatred in your heart.

01:39:24

That's a clear sign of a lack of regeneration. And some folks saw that Dr. Zvestra was pointing to his books, and the comment that was made is that Dr.

01:39:32

Zvestra straightened out his books on his shelf. It's a good night. So he's another good brother in Christ who also goes to our church, a very smart guy.

01:39:42

Love talking with him. He told me the one day it drove him crazy.

01:39:48

He wanted to come over to the house to help straighten out my books. So I'm like, I got shamed just straightening out my books.

01:39:53

Let me thank Brent because Brent, I'm the reason that he leaves the books a mess because he knows that it will drive me nuts.

01:40:02

And so he likes to leave a mess for me to go crazy on.

01:40:09

Okay, you have to tell the rest of the story. Okay, I learned a long time ago, when Andrew says, hey, we got to set up the book table,

01:40:16

I walk away. Why? Because when you set up a book table, if it's not exactly perfect the way

01:40:21

Andrew wants it, he will redo the whole table. Not only that, not only does it have to be perfectly.

01:40:29

It's not gonna have to be, no, it doesn't have to be in a certain way. What it has to be is you just, you don't make a mess of the books.

01:40:36

You don't make them where they're all angled out. He needs the book perfectly straight and square.

01:40:44

So if even one book is slightly tilted, it drives him crazy. He can't walk past the table without correcting it.

01:40:50

So one year, past Aaron Stagner and I, every single time Andrew turned around, we would take several books and just move them a quarter of an inch.

01:40:58

That was it. Just barely. And it drove him so crazy. And he knew we were doing this.

01:41:03

He couldn't stop himself because he's so, he's - No, I know, but I did, I did. I mean, I figured out the way to stop you from doing it is just not respond.

01:41:11

And so I left it there and now they're nice and neat and organized. All right, so this next comment, we got a super chat.

01:41:18

And folks, if you want to leave a super chat, we always read super chats. You want to guarantee that you're,

01:41:26

Denise is - She knows it's true. And she says it's true. Denise is someone from my church, so yes.

01:41:35

So super chats always get read. And so to do a super chat, you just go to, if you're on YouTube and by the comments, there's a little dollar sign and you donate.

01:41:45

That donation goes to striving for eternity. And so I'm wondering about this, Justin, because we got a super chat from FullBellyBear and it says,

01:41:56

Justin, I win. So he gave $5, but the problem with this is he gave $5 to striving for eternity and saying,

01:42:04

Justin, I win. So for folks that don't know the Justin, I win, basically we have this contest,

01:42:12

Justin and I, and of who can bless the other more. And it's been a thing where we've really tried to work at seeing who can be more of a blessing.

01:42:25

And it actually, the hashtag Justin, I win made it literally around the world.

01:42:30

It was a question that we were asked in the Q &A in the Philippines, the Philippines, we were asked, how did that begin?

01:42:38

And so we had given that story. I'll tell you how to find out that story. You could go to JustinIWin .com,

01:42:44

JustinIWin .com. There's a video explaining the whole story, some very fun pictures there as well.

01:42:50

You will see me winning, you'll see Justin winning, and you can decide, it's where one, one match, we never had a rematch, but the pictures are there.

01:42:59

And at that site, you can donate to Justin Peters Ministries. And just when you donate, put in the comments, hashtag

01:43:07

Justin, I win. So I get bragging rights and he gets donations. But in this case,

01:43:12

I guess full belly bear gave a donation of striving for eternity, so I don't really win.

01:43:17

So I say, I think Justin just won by default. Yeah, it seems that he got someone to help him win on that one.

01:43:27

So I don't know. But here's someone from the Philippines, Jackson, and he says, hashtag

01:43:32

Justin, I win. That is Jackson, hey Jackson, hey brother. Jackson even got everyone to say, you know when on three you say cheese for the smile?

01:43:43

Jackson got everyone to say, on three say Justin, I win. For a picture, so it was great.

01:43:49

So Jackson, are you gonna be joining Andrew, Justin and I at Shepherds Conference again?

01:43:55

So I think you were there the last two years. I do think he's coming, but I don't think his pastor is. So Laura Anderson says,

01:44:02

I relate to Andrew's OCD. Drew says, if you have a messy table, I'm walking on just saying.

01:44:09

See, that's why, because I want Drew to buy lots of books. Okay, Full Belly Bear has given another $5.

01:44:17

He says, read this in a British accent, Andrew. Well, it doesn't mean

01:44:25

I have to obey what he says. I don't know what book Anthony was showing nor why, but it was probably

01:44:31

Karl Marx or something. But I guess I have to try and do a British accent. Now upside down,

01:44:36

I'm gonna see how long it takes for it to bother you. Justin, I win in a British accent. Okay, I don't know how to do that.

01:44:43

Why, or does he want me to read this in a British accent? I wouldn't know how to do it,

01:44:48

I'm sorry. I think that we're getting way off topic tonight because I think we brought this on to talk about prophecies.

01:44:55

Well, I'm gonna bring in, we have David here who came in. So let's bring David and see if he's got any questions here.

01:45:02

David, welcome to the show. Hey, how are you guys doing? It's good to see you, my friend. Good to hear from you.

01:45:08

How are you, David? I am doing quite well, thank you. So I actually have a question about a verse in Acts 21.

01:45:16

I wanna make sure I'm understanding this properly and hopefully you can help me out a little bit here.

01:45:22

David, I know the name is familiar and the voice. David is who,

01:45:28

Anthony, David and I debated back in September or October. Actually, I think two weeks in a row, didn't we,

01:45:35

David? Yeah, and I know you and I were planning another debate on the flood, I think, that's what I wanna debate.

01:45:40

Yeah, we can do one of these days coming up here. Yeah, I would love to talk about Noah's flood and do a debate on that.

01:45:49

But anyway, back to my original question. In Acts 21, verse 17 through 28,

01:45:59

Paul visits the apostles in Jerusalem and the apostles make

01:46:04

Paul go through a temple ritual and says that, join these men who are under the

01:46:12

Nazarite vow and pay for the shavings of their heads and observe the temple law. So the question that I have is if Jesus was supposed to be the last and final sacrifice, why are the apostles telling

01:46:27

Paul to go through a temple ritual? And it should be worth pointing out that the

01:46:34

Nazarite offering that is being talked about in this passage happens to be a sin sacrifice.

01:46:41

So hopefully you guys can help me figure this out because this is something that's been on my mind. And where do you see that this was a sin sacrifice?

01:46:49

The Nazarite offering, it is a sin offering. I can show you,

01:46:55

I believe it's number six. Yes, yeah, yeah, number six.

01:47:08

Yep. Number six does speak about the

01:47:13

Nazarite vow. Yeah, and a priest shall perform one sin offering and the other for the burnt offering.

01:47:21

And yeah, so the sin, so the Nazarite sacrifice that the apostles are telling

01:47:28

Paul to go through is a sin offering. Yeah, so what it says is, this is number six, starting in verse two, speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, when a man or woman takes a special vow, a vow of a

01:47:41

Nazarite to dedicate himself to the Lord, so that's the purpose of it, to dedicate themselves to the

01:47:47

Lord, he shall abstain from wine and strong drink. He shall drink no vinegar, whether made from wine or strong drink, nor shall he drink any grape juice or eat any fresh or dried grapes.

01:48:04

All the days of his separation, he is not to eat anything that is produced by the grape vine, from the seed, even the skin.

01:48:15

And the days of his vow of separation, no razor will pass his head, he shall be holy unto the days fulfilled for he separated himself to the

01:48:27

Lord. He shall let the locks of his hair grow long. All the days of his separation, the

01:48:34

Lord shall not, the Lord, sorry, all the days of his separation to the

01:48:39

Lord, he shall not go near to a dead person. He shall not make himself unclean for his father or for his mother, for his brother or for his sister when they die because his separation to God is on his head.

01:48:57

All the days of his separation is to be holy. But the man that dies suddenly beside him and defiles his dedication, his dedication, head of hair, then he shall shave his head on that day when he becomes clean, he shall shave it on the seventh day.

01:49:19

So I'm looking at this and this is, I'm not seeing where you're saying the sin is. I guess, allow me to back up a little bit.

01:49:28

So from what I understand, at least the Christian doctrine that I grew up with, I don't know if it's correct doctrine or not, that Jesus was the last and final sacrifice and that his sacrifice is pretty much the end of the necessity for the temple.

01:49:42

Yeah, so a couple of things we'll need to correct here for you. One is, you know, we would wanna correct the fact that first off,

01:49:54

Jesus was the final sin offering, but not the final, or the final sacrifice of sin, but not, because that's what the atonement was for.

01:50:05

This is a sacrifice of dedication. Okay. Every fast is a sacrifice.

01:50:11

When you're fasting, you're doing without, that's a sacrifice. That's not a ceremonial sacrifice, but it is a sacrifice.

01:50:19

So you're kind of having some category errors applying it in a broader sense.

01:50:29

So this is a sacrifice of dedication where you're giving up certain things you can eat or drink, cutting of your hair, being around a dead body.

01:50:41

That's a sacrifice you make to dedicate yourself to the Lord just like people that are doing something for fasting and prayer, they're giving up the food to dedicate themselves to prayer.

01:50:51

It's a similar thing, but that has nothing to do with atonement for sin. Okay. By the way, the first back in numbers started in,

01:51:02

I think 13, 14, and they shall give their gifts to the Lord. One male lamb, a year old, without blemish as a burnt offering.

01:51:09

One ewe lamb, a year old, without blemish as a sin offering. One ram without blemish as an offering of well -being.

01:51:17

And then 16, the priest shall present them before the Lord and offer their sin offering and burnt offering. Yeah. That's kind of where I'm kind of getting a little bit of a disconnect.

01:51:26

And I want to make sure that I properly understand this chapter. So this is, what you have here is that is the completion of the vow.

01:51:36

So when they completed this vow, they would offer a sacrifice at the completion of the vow, but that's not the purpose of the vow.

01:51:46

So someone could do this vow, but once Christ was the final sacrifice, the final sin sacrifice, there was no more need for any more of that.

01:51:58

And so you could still make a Nazarite vow without offering the final sacrifice.

01:52:06

In fact, we would see, you could see some of this. We don't have many cases of the

01:52:12

Nazarite vow other than is the passage in Acts that you referenced.

01:52:19

Acts 21 is one reference. And then we have Samson is probably the only other reference.

01:52:25

Some would say that Christ took a Nazarite vow, but the thing that we end up seeing here is that this is not the purpose of the

01:52:35

Nazarite vow. So don't confuse the purpose of the vow, which is dedication to God, as we ended up reading in verse two.

01:52:43

That clearly says what the purpose is with the steps you do when you complete that.

01:52:49

That doesn't make that a sin sacrifice. It's just that you offer that afterwards and there'd be many sin sacrifices that they had to do before that.

01:53:02

Does that make sense to you? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So I'm just kind of curious, what is your theology?

01:53:08

I know different Christians disagree with this about the third temple, Ezekiel's temple, if that is ever going to be rebuilt, if that's going to be an actual physical temple.

01:53:20

And - I think it'll be rebuilt. All right, so I guess a question related to that and the question you just asked is that sin offerings will be in the third temple,

01:53:30

Ezekiel 43, verse 21 to 22. And they'll be very much like a memorial, the same way we do the

01:53:36

Lord's Supper in churches, we do it as a memorial for what Christ has already done.

01:53:41

Right, and of course, it's unlike the Catholics, obviously it's not really the body and blood of Jesus, but of course that's pure ideology and lots of issues with that.

01:53:51

Yeah, I don't think that when you take of communion, it's the actual body and blood of Christ, so.

01:53:57

Yeah, all right, that answers some of my questions. Thank you for helping me understand that little chapter a little bit better.

01:54:03

Thanks very much for coming in and we hope to set up that debate on the flood with you and Dr. Zvestra. Yeah, and if you want to see if Pastor Goines wants to join us, that'll be fantastic.

01:54:14

I'm sure he'd love to. We'll have to figure out what his schedule is like. Yeah, all right.

01:54:20

Good to - David, David. Oh, what? He's here, he's still here.

01:54:25

Are you there, David? No. How do you know Pastor Goines? So he's part of my community.

01:54:32

Long story, I'll talk about it backstage. Okay, fair enough.

01:54:38

So I wanted to ask you a question, David, if you don't mind. I'll stretch right ahead. You know, of course, we've talked back and forth and we've all talked together.

01:54:49

So when you're asking the theological questions, I mean, you've told us that you're an agnostic or an atheist or whatever, a former

01:54:57

Christian, former believer, and the stuff that you've gone through in your life. And, you know, I guess what

01:55:04

I wanna ask you is, are you searching the scripture to know God or to examine the falsity that you can find in the word of God?

01:55:13

And the reason I'm asking is because whether you find, whether you find issues that you agree with or disagree with, or you're gonna find this argument or that argument, you're gonna find, you know, the second temple, third temple, you're gonna find, you know, this problem in the

01:55:30

Old Testament, that problem in this passage, whatever, Jesus in Matthew 13,

01:55:36

I'm sorry, in Luke 13, he says to his disciples, as he's talking to his, well, he was talking to the

01:55:43

Pharisees, they started to complain to him.

01:55:48

Some of the people started to complain to him about the evil things that were going on with Pilate and what was going on, that he had mingled sacrifice.

01:55:58

In other words, that he'd killed all the, killed a bunch of the people and mingled their sacrifice in the blood. And he says, do you suppose these

01:56:04

Galileans were greater sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this fate?

01:56:10

He says, I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will likewise perish.

01:56:17

And my point to you is, you're going to find things that you're gonna disagree with and you're gonna find this scholar and that scholar.

01:56:25

And, you know, you made the comment about the Roman Catholic Church and this, that, and the other. Whether all of these people are right or wrong or whatever else, unless you repent,

01:56:36

David, you will likewise perish. And I want you to know that I've prayed for you for months now, and my heart goes out to you.

01:56:44

I want you to understand that you need Christ. You know, Anthony was, came on your show and I watched and listened and, you know, you're respectful here, but you were less than that at the show and you were, you know, chiding and making fun.

01:57:04

Anthony came on the show and was talking to you for hours. And he left you with a solid gospel presentation to tell you that, you know, you and your friends, it doesn't matter how smart you are or how wise you are, you need

01:57:18

Christ. And I just wanted to point that out to you. I'm, you know, I care about you and I wanted you to know that.

01:57:28

All right, well, first off, I do, I feel like I wanna make a public apology to Dr. Silvestro if he felt that I was being rude or being disrespectful at any point in our conversation on my channel.

01:57:41

I do wanna make an apology to him. And I know my channel,

01:57:46

I host open mics on a regular basis. Lots of Christians and atheists all go back and forth.

01:57:53

Sometimes my channel does get heated, but I do want to sincerely apologize to you if you felt offended at any point.

01:58:00

That being said, I do wanna answer your question. I do really enjoy biblical study from a historical perspective, but more than that is that I want to have an honest understanding of what other people believe.

01:58:12

I kind of want to make sure that I am arguing in good faith and not arguing a straw man.

01:58:18

And sometimes I don't fully understand. Sometimes I mess up, but I want to actually make sure

01:58:24

I understand the theology behind it, if that makes sense. I will say in all fairness,

01:58:32

David, I mean, thank you. I didn't really feel, I wasn't upset at all.

01:58:38

He puts up with us. He has no feelings, that's why. He never gets offended because he puts up with us.

01:58:45

So, yeah. That's true. You have to learn just to whatever. Sometimes Andrew's worse than the atheist.

01:58:52

What can I say? Wow. In all fairness,

01:58:58

I think you were kinder than some of your very arrogant friends who didn't want to listen.

01:59:07

So I appreciate David, the fact that you were willing to listen and actually dialogue. Yeah, I can get heated and that's okay.

01:59:13

Your friends were just very arrogant and were unteachable. And that's the really sad part.

01:59:20

So yeah, for you and your friends. You know, David, we love having people come on the show and talk, but our goal is always to point to Christ and the gospel.

01:59:34

Because it doesn't matter if you agree with us or if you find some other theology that you agree with or somebody else that you can find that you say, oh,

01:59:41

I like this better. Until you come to Christ, you have no hope. Okay? And we want you to know

01:59:47

Christ as your savior. It's because we love you. We care about you. That's the only reason we're even involved in this show.

01:59:54

And even more so, I don't want you to end up with that guy in hell. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

01:59:59

I hate saying it, but yeah. I agree. Well, I do love you guys. Be clear on who you're saying that guy. So our

02:00:06

Israelites who's been very racist and blasting all of us through chat.

02:00:12

And I keep putting them in timeout because I'm tired of reading. He wrote David, live it up because you have no salvation.

02:00:20

I'm saying David for, if there's a great reason, it's to be like this guy.

02:00:29

Trying to think. Oh, by the way, I do want to say that I got accepted to the

02:00:35

University of Maryland, Baltimore County. So I will be starting fall 2021. So I'm super excited.

02:00:41

Congratulations. Congrats on that. All right. Well, let's, I'm going to put you backstage there,

02:00:46

David. And - It's Shirley and Anthony time. I just got to say. Yeah. Justin Pierce tried to push it, but you have some help from FullBellyBear with another super chat for $10.

02:00:59

He said, I came to the Lord by trying to disprove the Bible. Keep critiquing the

02:01:07

Bible. Trust me, it can hold to your scrutiny. Just be consistent with the measure, with measuring it against your worldview.

02:01:18

And he has. He came to Christ asking a lot of questions, trying to disprove the

02:01:23

Bible. And he kept challenging, challenging, challenging. You were the same way, Anthony? No, you're the same.

02:01:29

And he came to Christ and is an excellent apologist today because of that.

02:01:35

And so someone had said, FullBellyBear, that's awesome. And he's,

02:01:41

I'm going to regret saying this because it's going to get his head to be big. But I mean, his head may end up being as big as Anthony's by this one comment, but he's like this brilliant guy that you meet him and you're going to be like, you wouldn't realize how wicked smart the guy is.

02:02:03

And it's - Just looking at him is what you're insinuating. Oh, he would admit it. And it's just, you're not expecting, when you meet him, the brilliance that he has.

02:02:16

But yeah, he can put most people in pretzels apologetically.

02:02:22

So, Justin, anything else that you want to share? We got other than, we got a couple of trips that we have, the three of us, you,

02:02:31

I, and Dr. Silvestro have coming up together. First for folks,

02:02:37

May 7th to the 9th, we're going to be at Beulah Baptist Church. That's in Winter Garden, Florida. So it'll be nice to be in warmer weather where they don't make you wear masks.

02:02:47

Ah, I'm looking forward to it. Beulah Baptist Church in Winter Garden, Florida.

02:02:53

That's May 7th to 9th. We're going to be doing, the three of us will be doing our Snatch Them from the Flames Discernment Conference.

02:03:00

And so that conference is going to cover, well, I end up covering, my two topics will be on interpreting the scripture and how to identify false teachers.

02:03:09

Justin will do two sessions that will deal with basically discerning false teachers and the sufficiency of scripture.

02:03:18

Dr. Silvestro will do two topics on social justice, the history of social justice, how to basically answer social justice.

02:03:26

So that's at Beulah Baptist Church, May 7th to the 9th. Cruciform Conference, that's in Indiana.

02:03:34

That is going to be June 3rd to the 6th. June 3rd to the 6th, the Cruciform Conference.

02:03:41

The topic is Standing Firm. Don't know what all of us are going to be teaching on that at that yet.

02:03:47

Well, actually, your topic is known, that's right. You're doing the pre -conference.

02:03:53

Yep. So I've got all the time I want, which is great. So I'm going to pretend it's a box while you're waiting to get on it,

02:04:00

Andrew. I'll be teaching on lay level pre -sup. And so we're going to teach people how to do pre -sup the right way, foundationally, biblically, and to be able to use it by the time we're done.

02:04:15

Justin, you don't happen to know what you're doing yet, do you? For cruciform, is that too far away? I do not know.

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I don't think, nope, I don't know. I know what I want to do. I just, it's going to take, if I can pull this off, it's going to take the help of a pretty well -known

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Christian. But so I won't announce what my plan is until I know if I can work that out.

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But I'm probably going to be looking at a biography of two different men, and of men who have stand firm under scrutiny.

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And so, and then lastly, we have Israel, October 24th to November 6th.

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Go for that if you want details, just go to IsraelTour2021, IsraelTour2021 .com.

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We only have five spots left on there. You can get onto the waiting list if it fills up.

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I'm sure that as it gets closer, people might end up dropping and whatnot, but that is something that you could check out.

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So those are some events that we have coming up. Look forward to seeing you at those events. Go to JustinPeters .org,

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check out everything that Justin has there. And lastly, we always want to remind you, if there's any way that this ministry, that this podcast, this show is a blessing to you, if you would consider helping us out and supporting us monthly, you can go to StrivingForEternity .org

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slash support. If you get value out of the ministry that we're doing, the work that we do, if you wouldn't mind helping us out and supporting us.

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It is, well, it is difficult times nowadays with everything going on with COVID and whatnot.

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So just want to say that we could use your help. So, and we'll close out with the comment from KT, Anthony, time is mighty fine.

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That's actually, leave it to KT to come up with a rhyme. All right, so. Thank you, that was beautiful.

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