False Prophecies of 2020 with Justin Peters

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Hey, brother. You know, I thought it'd be fitting Andrew and Justin to start off the show with a prophecy. Ah, well, that would be good. Yeah, so here's my prophecy. My prophecy is that there will be many guys in 2021 that are going to have false prophecies.

Well, okay, then let me add to my prophecy and we'll see how good this is. Okay. There'll be many guys in 2001 that will compete in women's sports and win. 2020, what do you mean? Yeah, what did I say?

You said 2001. Yeah, well, maybe that was before the time. See, that's how the prophecy should work. Just go back in time and then Yeah, just go back in time. All right, so, you know, I did this before we went live and I guess I should bring in our special guest here.

None other than, Pastor Justin, can you give me a drum roll? I mean, really. Thank you. There you go.

That's the best I got. There he is. How you doing, sir? Hey, guys, I am doing well. How are y 'all doing? How are you, Justin? Doing good, Justin. How you doing, brother? Good, doing fine, doing fine.

This is always fun. I'm looking forward to it.

False Prophecies and the Fear of God

Well, I'll start off with something I saw on Gab and if you're on Gab, if those of you who are on Gab, you can follow me at AndrewRappaport on Gab. Moving everything over there, I'm gonna probably, I already got rid of my Twitter.

Well, Parler, well, yeah, the tech giants took care of that one. So I'm on Gab and you can come follow me there. But I saw this on Gab, Anthony. I know you'll love it. We've talked about masks here before, but funny mask experience.

So here you go. And Justin, you'd probably like this since you like going to Starbucks, you wretched sinner, you.

Great place to witness. I mean, everywhere you turn, there's an Unbeliever. So I love Starbucks for that. Thank you, Anthony. I appreciate it. You're welcome. You know we're in the same side on that one.

There are Unbelievers everywhere.

You can't go sit in a Starbucks anymore. There's plenty of places.

There's plenty of places to witness to Unbelievers, Anthony. You can go lots of places.

You don't have to go to Starbucks. That's all I'm saying. Well, so Justin, when you are at my church for us to do a conference together in September of this year, assuming Starbucks is open by then, we will go sit at a Starbucks to witness.

And maybe we can live stream that for people to see and let Anthony know.

You're on, Anthony. I'll even treat you to a strawberry acai refresher. That's good.

Okay, so Melissa's asking, will I be still on MeWe? I'm on MeWe. I've kind of set up on MeWe, but man, MeWe's confusing. So I'm liking Gab and I'll probably stick mostly there. But here's, let me read this.

This is a cool, a funny thing. And this is gonna give Anthony lots of ideas. I can see Anthony doing this the next time he goes to like a Starbucks or something. So this guy, Bill Mitchell says, funny mask experience.

I stopped by Starbucks to grab coffee after lunch. And while waiting, I bought a cookie. I pulled down my mask to eat said cookie. And the hipster behind the counter said very loudly, sir, you need to put your mask back on.

You can't eat that here. Fine. So after he made coffee, my coffee, I said to him, did you wash your hands before you took my coffee? No, throw it out and make it again. And then when he was making the new cup of coffee, I noticed his nose was uncovered by his mask.

When he gave me my second coffee and I said, I saw your nose wasn't covered by your mask. Throw it away and make it again. Finally, I left with my third cup of coffee, which I paid for only once. Brilliant.

Brilliant idea of what to do, right? I mean, they're so quick to point out, you're not wearing your mask, right? You're not wearing your mask, right? And yet they're not washing their hands before touching the cup.

Brilliant way of illustrating the point, in my opinion. So I do have a correction from last week. We had a question that came in last week and it was about James White and his position on post-mill. He's starting to be leaning at least towards post-millennialism.

Laura Anderson there says, witness at Starbucks. Yes.

Looks like Justin, we got somebody to join us at Starbucks. Yeah, the only thing is, you shouldn't buy anything there.

Don't, you know, come on. Just go there and witness. So Dr. James White was, we were asked about his position on post-mill and I said that, you know, he seemed to have been everything pre-mill, all-mill, post-mill.

And one of the things that I had made the comment about was what concerned me was the fact that someone who's been studying theology for as long as he has to change his views. And it seems like he changed his views just with going to the church he's now at.

It gave me concern that he could change kind of what I saw so quickly. And so that was the issue that I had. Because he had been studying theology, I thought that it just seemed, didn't seem good that he could change quickly, shall I say.

But he said on his show the following. So let me play what he said where he, to be fair and give him the correction in his own words.

You know, five years ago, that post-mill was a hashtag that was really cool, sort of like having a beard and smoking a stogie, real cool.

No, it was never cool, James, it was never cool.

The future's not gonna have cool in it, not that kind of cool. And so, I don't know if you saw this, because you didn't mention it to him, you didn't say anything about it. But a guy named Ed Dingus, did you see it? Did a webcast about James White's dance with post-millennialism.

Which made me laugh immediately because I have danced exactly once in my entire life at my daughter's wedding. So obviously he doesn't know me very well. But it was a webcast, so I didn't, I hadn't taken the time to listen to it.

But Jeff told me about it and he said, I wanna respond especially to what he said about Noah. Then I saw on Facebook, Gary DeMar mentioned it and said, I feel a blog post coming. Well, Gary posted his blog post, I think this morning, maybe last evening, where he, all he did was he interacted with what Dingus had said, which basically was post-millennialists never deal with what Noah said about the last days.

And so one of the things that I've learned as I'm studying eschatology, but I'm not studying eschatology the way I would have five years ago. And I think that's a good thing. Because I'll be honest with you, every time in the past I've decided I really need to dig into this and there's a bunch of books I've got and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.

I just could not get my heart into it. My heart's into it now, why? Because it has to be. Because I'm having to think about how to prioritize all of life in light of the possibility of the loss of the freedoms that made eschatology a side issue in the past, but is now making it central to the serious decision as to how the church is to continue.

Okay, so that is a clip from James White from his Dividing Line show. So you're seeing there that, he's saying that the reason that he has is focusing more on it now is because of the fact that it's more the issues of the day and what he hasn't really studied in times before and as much as he does other theology.

So I am corrected on that and I will, when I get corrected, I will point that out. So I do wanna give a shout out here, Justin, I don't know if you remember Lorraine from the Philippines. We were interviewed by her at the radio station there, but she said, hello Pastor Andrew, Pastor Justin, brothers, listening while doing my chores.

It's a .m. here in the Philippines. So we say hello to her. I don't think she's working at that radio station anymore,.

But I tell you, some of the dearest, sweetest people I've ever met are in the Philippines. Yeah.

They really are. So. But it is true that your favorite food is in the Philippines. I was gonna ask you about that.

Is that a truism? I have eaten a lot of different things in a lot of different places. I have been in restaurants where goats have literally walked through the restaurant, like right past my chair as I was eating goat.

And I cannot bring myself to do the Balut. I just can't do it.

It was very sweet. And I just gotta say, folks, I wish that I had the video of Justin's face while I was eating Balut. For those that don't know what Balut is, it's a fertilized duck egg that starts to grow and then they boil it.

And so, you know, depending on the level of development, you might see the, you might see The beak. The beak.

The feathers. Is the beak crunchy when you eat Balut?

Yeah, I don't know. You know, it just went down pretty easy. You know, it was very sweet tasting. So Here's Martha Mac. I cannot Martha Mac is telling that she really likes that. Yeah. I'm all about eating eggs.

I'm all about eating animals. I'm just not sure about that combination.

You know what some of the best meat I've ever had? I know we're not talking about anything theological here. Beaver. If you ever get a chance to eat beaver, it is fantastic.

Do you guys have places that have beaver out by you? I grew up in Mississippi.

And so you Just shot them and ate them. Yeah, but my granddad used to trap beaver in various ponds and in exchange, the neighborhoods would give him, you know, fishing privileges. And, you know, he could go, yeah, come on fish in our pond if you'll get rid of our beavers.

And so I've had smoked beaver before and it was absolutely fantastic.

Well, you also enjoy a delicacy known as squirrel. Squirrel. Squirrel and ducklings. Good stuff. Okay. I'm coming to your house when that happens. I couldn't eat the brains. All right, so Lorraine is saying, I'm not at the station anymore.

I have not dared to try balut or goat dishes over 30 years of life. So she's half in your camp there.

No, I'm not doing the balut. I'll do the squirrel with you all day long. I would probably try the beaver, but I'm sorry. But, you know, when you open that poor little guy up and he's smiling back at you and his little arms waving, I'm just, I can't do it.

I will call you saying barbecue raccoon. That's I guess his favorite. All right. So two more serious topics.

Other than Justin's favorite dish. Actually. Can I ask one point? I see the comments over here, but I can't figure out how to write one. Are we not allowed to write one? You are.

You might not be able to, I don't know if you can from when you come in. We can't as a.

Okay, I didn't want people to think I was ignoring them.

No, what we try to do is put the comments up here so that you could respond to those that are here. If there's one that you want,.

Just let us know and we could put it up. Hey, Justin, do me a favor and say hi to Gary Spry. He's a member of our church and he's a faithful dear brother. He's been around with us all over the place. So he says hi to you for sure.

Hey Gary, how are you brother? Hope you're doing well.

And we have a birthday in the house as well. So that's not the post of it, but Jess Marie Ann Sedgwick, it's her birthday today. So shout out to you, happy birthday.

And she says, wow, I never knew James White changes theology so quick, odd.

Well, the one thing he did say in defense there is that he didn't actually change it quickly, that he had been studying some of it, but it was because he'd been studying that he went to that position.

You know, one thing I'll say on that is we all have a end times position. We all have a theological position. Some people just have a speculation and some people actually do the study and somebody's right, somebody's wrong.

And we'll find out, you know, when the rapture happens. No, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. You know, I hold to a conviction, you guys know it. And, but it's, you know, being gracious and trying to be respectful of others.

It's when you get into heretical teaching and stuff, then we need to have a problem with it. But, you know, let's be gracious on those issues and show a godly kindness.

Pastor Justin, don't tell your cohort bud who is my co-host on the wrap. I know. But I was given this book, God's Plan for Victory by Rush Dooney. This is on Post Mill. I'm thinking of doing a wrap report critiquing this.

And yeah, there's dispensation on the white paper. I'm thinking of doing a critique of that on my wrap report and make Bud have to listen to me critique. Oh, you've got to do that. You got to do that.

Oh yeah.

And Bud and I, and I'll finish. Bud and I have had, you know, conversations about this issue quite a bit. Cause you know, you think about it. There's not a lot of people willing to actually have a discussion.

You know, most people have an attack. You know, most people want to fight. Most people want to argue. Most people want to get in their camps and then they don't want to discuss it, which I think we need to be open to discussing, you know, the theological positions because they're important.

You know, every word of God is important. And I think we need to be open to talking about it. And you know, we don't have to agree on everything. I'm sure that even us four, we don't agree on everything.

Although I will admit that there's very little that I know that I can, I don't even know if I can think of anything right now that Andrew and I would disagree with. You know, I disagree with the fact that like Anthony, basically everything he thinks I disagree with.

So other than that.

I'm sorry, you're always wrong. I'm just kidding. And that's one of the things you disagree with him on. So someone's asking about the YouTube channel. Where is our, you know, someone on Facebook is asking about the YouTube channel.

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So there is instructions at apologeticslive .com for that. All right, so let's get to tonight's topic. Justin, last time you were on, we were talking about different prophecies. Anthony just provided some for us tonight and I decided to follow up with one.

We'll have to see whether our prophecies come true at the end of the year. Maybe we'll see. I predict Anthony and I will be more accurate than any of the Word of Faith prophets this year. That's a prediction, not a prophecy, but I think it's pretty good chance.

So Justin, you and I were on Iron Sharpens Iron this week. No, I wasn't.

Okay, the real Justin. The real one. If you put the names up here, everybody would know who's who.

Just call me, call me Crip.

J2 .0, you call him Crip, I'm J2 .0. Okay, so all right.

So we're on Iron Sharpens Iron and poor Chris Arnzen, who is worried about calling Justin Peters disabled. He wasn't sure if that's the proper term to use. Justin, what was your response to that?

I said, Chris, don't worry about it. I call myself a little white cripple boy all the time. To which he lost it. He kind of lost it, but yeah, I do that just to set people at ease. People are, oh, do I say handicapped?

Do I say disabled? And crippled is probably the most politically incorrect word so I just use that one. I'm not politically correct. All that stuff is exhausting and it's dumb.

And you even have made me do that. I've had to go into restaurants and it was, no, actually, I think it was your old pastor, Jim, that made me do it. You guys were already in the restaurant sitting down and I was like, well, where are you guys sitting?

And he just said, ask for the cripple boy. I woke up to the maitre d' and this was Anthony with Pastor Casey, if you remember, and he was horrified. He was all excited to get to meet Justin Peters. And I go up to the maitre d' and say, we're looking for a cripple boy.

Maitre d' just without hesitating, oh, he's right here. And he starts walking and then he stopped. He just stopped dead and he turned around and goes, I'm horrified that I knew who you were talking about there.

And so I said, it's okay. That's what he calls himself. So when we got to Justin, I said, yep, that's the right cripple boy. He goes, yep, that's me. I'm the little white cripple boy.

Maitre d' felt much better. And I've got to get mileage out of it here because I won't be able to call myself crippled in heaven. So I've got to enjoy a while.

Well, and you think about it, you get all the sympathy now because, well, you're going to be just like everybody else in heaven.

One of the saints up in heaven.

You said something I never even thought of Justin and maybe you could share this, like that when you go to restaurants, it was about paying the bill. And I never even thought of that probably because I always grabbed the bill from you anyway and try not to let you pay.

But you had an interesting comment that maybe it'd be good for people to think about.

Well, it's rare when I'm in a restaurant, when the waitress or waiter comes to give the ticket, it's very rare that she'll give me the ticket. It's just like a subconscious thing. They assume that because I'm crippled, I can't pay for it.

And so it's always given to the other person. And one time, this was many, many years ago, but I was in seminary and I'd come home for a week or so for a visit. And I was with my mom in a store and I was walking on my crutches.

I wasn't in my scooter, I was walking. And my mom started talking to a lady that she knows who works at that particular store. And so they were jibber jabbering and I'm just standing there. And then she said, oh, well, you know, Justin, I see Justin's, is he enjoying seminary?

Asking that to my mom.

There you go. Oh, wow. Humble. Clay says that Justin

I knew I was in seminary, but apparently unable to Answer for yourself. Question.

That's great. Humble Clay says that you should go to dinner with Matt Slick since Matt Slick can't ever seem to win a, get the dinner. Hey, we're gonna bring in Atomic Apologetics. He has a question or comment before we get, before we go to some of the topic tonight.

John, how are you tonight?

I'm not bad. Hey, I just wanted to pop in and just ask for some prayer requests. I had to make an emergency flight down to Southern Oregon to see my dad. All my other brothers and sisters are down here and he's been dealing with cancer for the past year.

And I think he's currently in his last days. And so I was asked that he would be receptive to the gospel and that he would be cognitive to understand it and that just give me the strength to deal with it.

So. Yeah, so folks lift up John's dad tonight in the next couple of days. Sorry to hear about that. And are your siblings, do they know Christ?

I would say not, not really. No.

Well, you know, we're praying for you, brother. That's hard. Thanks.

Yeah. Someone's asking, is your father a believer? No. No.

I mean, I've shared the gospel to him a couple of times in the past and he kind of seemed perceptive over it. You can't really get a lot of information when someone just gives you a thumbs up on Facebook.

You know, I don't know. It's something I just got to keep making sure that he hears and yeah, it's very sobering. And I'm sorry for, you know, being a Debbie Downer at the moment, but I just wanted to come on.

No, this is what we do as Christians. You know, we got to Yeah.

Well, John, I can promise you, we'll be praying for strength for you and praying for a soft heart with your father. It's, you know, as you guys know, I went through the loss of my father just a few weeks ago and by God's grace, he received Christ on his deathbed.

Right now, my wife's father, you know, has been on his deathbed. I don't know how he doesn't, how he has not died yet. It is incredible how strong he is. Unfortunately though, his mentality for Catholicism is a whole lot stronger than even his body that has resisted death for so many years.

And we just spent another hour with him today, witnessing to him and I pressed him on the gospel really, really hard today because we see him in that same state. And, you know, but it's humbling, but in terms that we recognize that no matter what, God is the one that's in control, right?

I mean, so we, and I know you know this, John, and I'm just sharing with you what you already know. It's our job to continue to witness in gentleness and respect and love for family and friends and unbelievers, you know, believing people you don't know.

But for us to be able to do that and share, but knowing that ultimately God is in control and God's sovereign and that it's all up to God, you know? So we'll keep you in prayers for strength. You know, it's hard.

The things that we've seen is that family members who aren't saved wanna do their best to stop you from sharing the gospel because they think it's gonna upset them and cause them to die sooner. And, you know, yeah, it's quite the battle of wickedness out there.

So we keep you in prayer and strength for all that and that you have complete open opportunities for it. Yeah, thanks.

And you know, it's never, there's never a wrong time for Christians to be lifting these things up. You know, it's what God's called us to do because none of us are in control of that, but God is. And he tells us to pray for one another and pray for the lost.

And if you have anything like this going on, to be in prayer. And I think, you know, it's good that we are able to stop for a moment and just to talk with you about these issues. You know, Anthony has went through, as he just said, a similar issue and is now going through it with his father-in-law.

And the loss of family is a hard issue, especially when you know or suspect that they're lost. And never stop, never stop praying because, you know, God is the God that answers prayer. Never stop sharing the gospel because he is also the one that saves souls.

So we're definitely praying. Yeah.

And if I could Thanks guys, I really do appreciate it. What's that? You know, Paul says something in Galatians 1, 15 and 16, that's really been an encouragement to me. He said, when it pleased God to reveal Christ in me.

There came a time when it pleased God to reveal Christ to Saul, Paul. And that moment could not have been advanced. It could not have been delayed. There comes a moment in time when it pleases God to reveal Christ to his sheep.

And you never know when that time may come. So you never know. So just, we'll definitely be praying for you, John, and your father, and we pray Galatians 1 time will come for him.

Thank you, Justin. All right. Thanks again, guys. And yeah, I gotta go. So appreciate your prayers. All right. Thank you, John. All right, have a great show.

Bye. Thank you, John. All right. So Justin, you have the clips. I got them in order. You could just, if you want any of these that you wanna hit, just give me the clip number and give me the, well, you just have to give me which one you wanna do and you set it up for us.

Okay. Let's see, my document. The first one that you had, the first one was Pat Robertson prophesying Mitt Romney.

Yeah, so, okay. So this one is Pat Robertson. This is from back in October of 2012. And he prophesied, had Benny Hinn on the 700 Club, and he prophesied who would win the 2012 election and 2016. So here we go.

I mean, that's the way he thinks. And he will be tremendous on the economy. He's uncomfortable with foreign policy, I feel. But nevertheless, he'll be a strong, strong man. But if he comes in, secondly, he's gonna have a second term.

He's gonna win. Romney will win the election. You believe that? I absolutely believe that. What makes you believe that? Because the Lord told me. Well, that's why I'm glad to know. I wasn't sure how you knew.

Really, the Lord said that to you? Yeah, absolutely. I told Mitt a long time ago, I called him, I said, listen, I've been in prayer. Number one, you're gonna win the nomination. Number two, you're gonna win the general election.

He said, well, what can I do for you? I said, well, give me a seat on the platform.

Okay, one of the things, Justin, that's amazing is it sounds like, as he's sharing this, and I don't know who the two were that were speaking, Pat Robertson's the one, I don't know who the other is, but it sounds like he doesn't even believe him.

That's Benny Hinn, wasn't it? It's Benny Hinn, yeah. I mean, it sounds like he's not even believing him. Yeah.

God told me, oh, really? Oh, whoa, I didn't know. It's called discernment, but. Well, the thing is, is it just are so flippant about saying God told them such and such. They're so flippant about it. It's really not a big deal to the vast majority, I won't say all, but the vast majority of charismatics.

It's not a big deal to them to put words in God's mouth that he did not say, and if they miss a prophecy, oh, you know, it's like, you know, they call it a mistake. No, it's not a mistake. Taking a wrong turn is a mistake.

Leaving your milk on the counter overnight, not in the refrigerator, that's a mistake. Prophesying falsely, you're putting words in God's mouth, in the Alpha and Omega's mouth that he did not say, and that is an extraordinarily serious thing.

We have another clip. The next one is Pat Robertson prophesying who's gonna win the 2020 election, if you wanna.

Well, he did so good on the first one. Right. He does on the second.

Let's find out. First of all, I wanna say without question, Trump is going to win the election, and that doesn't mean you sit home and don't vote. That means you get up and do everything you can to work, but he's going to win.

That's, I think, a given. According to what I believe the Lord told me, the president is going to be reelected. I'm saying by all means, get up and vote. I think it's time to pray, but ladies and gentlemen, that's the word.

You ask, what's gonna happen next?

That's what's gonna happen next. So Trump 2020, that's the message?

Yeah. So, I just did a video on this on my YouTube channel entitled January 2020 to January 2021, the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad year for the prophets. I mean.

Was the video as short as the title? The video is much longer. The video is long. I just, for the record, Anthony and Justin Pierce, Justin Peters broke my record on here, going longer than any of us have ever gone here, just for the record.

But.

Yeah. I didn't think you could go that long. I mean, that's, that's pretty good.

Just so you know that that's called Anthony time. When you go past two hours, it's Anthony time. Yeah. I mean, that's okay. Well, that's it. Two hours when he hosts.

Yeah. So Pat Robertson, I mean, think about this. If you've ever watched the 700 Club, Pat Robertson, almost every program, kind of towards the end, he gets these words of knowledge. He'll hold hands with his co-host.

Oh, our name escapes me right now. But anyway, this lady co-host, they'll hold hands and they'll start praying. And Pat Robertson will say, you know, someone right now is watching and you've got bursitis in your right shoulder.

God's healing that right now. And someone else I see, you've got a problem with your neck and God's healing that right now. And then, then he turns to his lady co-host and what are you seeing? And she'll give words of knowledge too.

So let me get this straight. You're so in tune with the voice of God that you get words of knowledge in real time about someone's bursitis or bum toe out there watching in TV land. God speaks to you that clearly, that regularly.

You hear him, you're that in tune with him. And yet, you cannot hear him rightly on something as monumental as the United States presidential election, an event for which you have years to prepare to make sure you're hearing God rightly.

And an event at which you've got a 50 -50 shot of getting it right just by looking. And you miss that. And yet, God speaks to you in real time telling you about someone's bobo's out there watching in TV land.

These people are frauds. They're frauds, they're liars, charlatans.

You know, it's crazy to me. Well, and first of all, I'm not sick, but my voice got trashed when we were outside and my son wanted to go sledding in the freezing cold weather. And after that, my voice was gone.

So it's been off for two days. So please pray that my voice comes back because I'm supposed to be teaching an evangelism class that a lot of people signed up for at my church in two days. So pray for that.

But so, Justin, I mean, here's a question I have for you on all this stuff. I mean, I have the same love as you do in this type of discernment ministry. And we've talked about some of the battles I've had here.

I've been studying NAR for years because of all the people that have gone towards NAR in the Cleveland, Ohio area. But when it comes to these people who are continually prophesying and being wrong, where is their fear of God?

I mean, these guys, like you said, they're so flippant about it. They're joking about it. Look, if I'm even, first of all, if I ever tell you guys I'm hearing from God, I'm delusional and, you know, shut me down.

But if you're speaking, you're delusional. You're delusional. Shut him down.