August 16, 2021 Show with Rev. Richard A. Lepage II on “What is a True Anglican?”

The Program Opens and Introduces the Topic of True Anglicanism

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And after many attempts for a number of years, I am so delighted to have for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Reverend Richard A. LaPage II. He is pastor of Reformation Anglican Church of Gray, Maine.

And today we are going to be addressing, what is a true Anglican separating historic truth from the falsehoods of those who have hijacked that term. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Reverend Richard A. LaPage II.

You can call me Rick, Chris.

That sounds a lot shorter.

Yes, absolutely. It makes me think of my father when you say that. And I'm calling in from Cumberland County, Maine, by the way.

Oh, wow.

Yes. Irony of ironies.

And I'm sure your father didn't call you though, Reverend Richard A. LaPage II.

No, he still doesn't.

Reformation Anglican Church and the Anglican Formularies

All right. Well, tell us about Reformation Anglican Church of Gray, Maine.

Sure. So Reformation Anglican Diocese of Gray, we've been planting for about nine years here in Gray.

Well, I'm gathering from the name itself, Reformation Anglican Church, that that congregation is not an Anglo-Catholic church.

No, we're not. We are very much a confessional, conforming Anglican church to the...

Yes, and those 39 articles are clearly Calvinistic.

Yes.

And in fact, I pretty much agree with the vast majority of them. And I know that some of my listeners will be tired of hearing me repeat this, but I have a hard time even disagreeing as a Reformed Baptist with the article on baptism because it doesn't mention infants.

It just says that children should not be forbidden baptism. And as a Reformed Baptist, if a child repents and believes, I believe he should be baptized. I know that the intention there was infants, but I'm just saying that in a bit of lightheartedness.

Um, well, the 39 articles is one distinctive. Is the church officially tied in any sense to the Common Book of Prayer or the Book of Common Prayer? I'm sorry. And which, if so, which date do you use for the Book of Common Prayer?

Because I understand that that does make a big difference amongst Anglicans.

It does make a big difference. Officially, throughout the Anglican Communion, it's remained unchanged. The official standard for liturgy for Anglicanism is 1662, and that's not only recognized by the Church of England, but it's also recognized by GAFCON.

As far as I know, most of all of the GAFCON members have had to sign on to the formularies of the Church of England as they stand in their final form. That would be the 1571 version of the 39 homilies, liturgies for the making of a liturgy or ordination format for making an insight to the theology of how we see ministry.

And is Reformation Anglican Church of Greymane a high church, a low church? And after you tell us which one you are, why don't you describe the differences?

Well, definitely in the Anglican world, we'd be considered a low, you know, probably according to much of the evangelical world today, they would consider us high church. But we are definitely on the Anglican candle.

They rate your status by how high up on the candle you are. We would definitely be low down on the candle. I take very seriously, and I take very seriously, my ordination vows to the theology of the 39 articles and the theology of the 16.

We use a moderate number of our liturgies, but I take great pains to make sure that they conform to the theology of the 1662, so I'm not violating my ordination oath.

Great. Well, if anybody wants more information on Reformation Anglican Church of Greymane, you can go to ReformationAnglicanChurch .org. ReformationAnglicanChurch .org. Now, for what we do as a tradition on I Am Terrapin Zion Radio, when we have first-time guests on the program, we have them describe their salvation testimony.

What kind of religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them, and that would include you.

So why don't you give us a summary of your salvation testimony?

Salvation Testimony and Conversion from Roman Catholicism

Sure. You probably can tell from my last name that I don't come from English stock, per se. I've got French-Canadian background, born originally in New Hampshire. My family, like so many French-Canadians culturally, I would regard as fairly devout when I was young.

The college that I graduated from was Benedictine College, St. Anselm College in Manchester, New Hampshire. Great-uncle-who-litter-boy manual that was written in Latin and English, even though by the time I was an altar boy, Vatican II had already happened.

So, you know, as I grew up, I read the Bible, many of the Bible stories from a young age, which, you know, I did do that. And making confirmation at that confirmation, we were given a workbook, and we were given a Bible.

Remained in the cellophane wrappers on the desks. I was rather eager Catholic Church. I had a friend that belonged to another denomination. I think he was Methodist. I remember him telling me about their confirmation class and that they were taken around to be given an exposure to what different faiths believed.

So I assumed, without thinking, exactly what we would do, because nobody would ask us to join a church that we didn't actually have an understanding of and also have disappointed. My mother puzzled me, and I felt like I couldn't make a decision.

So I actually took an unusual... You do as a formality of the Holy Communion. You do it. There's a little cake and party afterward, and then on you go. A young lady in... Very deep like with her, as many teenage boys do, and teenage ladies.

So she, you know, but she held firm to that, and she invited me over for dinner. Her father, which is another testimony to the way she was raised. He died tonight. It was good in telling him everything that I did was bad, and he's God, and let him judge.

Sure. Nope. You know, today, I really shouldn't.

Yeah.

And afforded... But that raised a whole host of questions for me. The Holy Spirit really used that to challenge me. Guidance Count was the senior class president, class advisor. I met this girl. I wanted to ask her out to a dance, and she said no, and she said it's because I wasn't a Christian, and yet I've been raised a Roman...

She'd come back to my office, and he did something that would definitely get you fired today. Turned out he'd been in the Navigator. Had his Navigator cards in the drawer of his desk, and so he pulled those out, and he shared some of the gospel verses, repenting and having faith, and she invited me to go and chat with his Catholic, and had been in the same situation that I had been in.

And I went down and made an appointment with him. I just began to come under conviction of my sinfulness, of the corrupted nature of my heart, and led me out of just being bathed in the love of Christ.

That's how I came to faith in Christ. Tony was instrumental in youth by... to bring me to the gospel. Right after high school, and then when I got back, got involved in the Varsity Christian Fellowship, and it was really there that I began...

Before then, I just thought that no, your walk has to be in line with your confession, and at that time, St. Anselm called my... And I wanted to be closer to home, and St. Anselm was closer to home, and I became interested...

I was also interested in philosophy, and they had a fantastic philosophy program that was done, and I didn't know if I... I love to tell people that the reason that I became at St. Anselm was we were required to read...

It's interesting that the year that I was in, they had this core prophet, and they gave us two on prophetic, modern-day prophets. Were they prophetic in their exposition of the Christian faith? And believe it or not, it was Martin Luther, Bondage of the Will.

So I began to read more and study more. I got very involved in the Varsity Christian Fellowship. Learned to approach for churches in the PCAA. I think you've interviewed before Dr. T. David Gordon.

Oh, yeah, I've interviewed him several times.

Yes, he was my pastor. In fact, he married my wife and I. I really made the final journey into the Reformed faith, a church where he was pastor full-time New Testament, a profound influence on my early development and understanding, and he was the one that encouraged me.

I think I finished two years working on staff within a varsity, and he's one of the encouragement. I went down to what I began to encounter.

It's interesting that Dr. Gordon was a Presbyterian pastor, but the last time I spoke with him, he was a member of an Anglican church. Not a pastor, but a member, as I think I am correctly remembering that.

Yes, he is. He attends, him and his wife attend, as far as I know, I haven't talked to him in a year or two. He attends Grace Anglican Venue, which is pastoral. I guess we're founding members of Grace Anglican.

And it's also interesting that the time that Dr. Gordon had transferred to teach at Grove City was also his journey, and I believe he's still a Presbyterian minister in good standing, and I would encourage everybody out there, if they haven't heard of this yet, on Dr. Gordon's website, he has a phenomenal on why he, as a teaching elder, a Presbyterian teaching elder, for anyone who knows Dr. Gordon, a very insightful mind for determining why he as a ordained Presbyterian.

But his journey to helping out at Grace Anglican was paramount. We got the dream of a married student in Philadelphia. It's connected with the 70s or 80s, and they typically would hire a seminary couple to come and live with on the property and basically do caretaking work around the property, do grocery shopping, take out the garbage.

And this was 1999 to 2002, 2003 time frame, and this was when the Episcopal Church in New Hampshire, a number of churches in the Philadelphia area that were basically of rebellion, that was half church, that began the exodus out of the Episcopal Church, but they had a confirmation service, Episcopal or Anglican.

And if you know anything about the Anglican communion, we value our ties globally. The global Anglican communion is not a small thing among our unity and our connections with our brothers and sisters.

We were in difficulty. Many brave African bishops that came over and began to preach, many of them were losing their property. One of the denoted New Testament, I spent too much time reading, which was Catholic and also my Reformed, and always just this Roman Catholic light.

I began to, as the theology of English Reformers, and I was utterly floored by how Reformed it was. The marks of the day, I forget, made me begin to pay attention for a number of classes. And I always loved it.

Great man, one of my favorite preachers and authors.

Absolutely, I still am so indebted to him. I still say, I began to really become a student of studying prayer. A number of years in evangelical church, so many of evangelical prayers, extemporaneous prayer, and creator of the universe, the most holy God.

And Dr. Ferguson, so I began to read prayers. I began to study.

Yes, I actually conducted an interview paying tribute to the Valley of Vision, and my guest was Reformed Anglican Roger Salter.

Oh, Roger is wonderful, isn't he?

Oh yeah.

Yeah, Roger is a sheer delight. Roger was one of the first gentlemen, first Reformed Anglican blogs that I began reading.

By the way, could you pick up where you left off there? Because we have to go to our first break right now.

Sure, so long story short, Arthur Bennett, I was stunned when I found out he was an Anglican priest. And that made me run over to the Westminster bookstore and go and look up, and I pulled down off the shelf, the 1662 Leatherbound Cambridge, I found out that Arthur Bennett got a copy of that, and I began to read that.

In fact, we'll pick up right there when we come back. There you go, wonderful. When we come back from our first break, if anybody has a question, whether you agree with my guest, Pastor Richard LaPage, or you vehemently disagree, even if you're not a Christian, we would love to hear from you at chrisarnson at gmail .com with your own question, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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Anglican Identity, Reformation Sources, and the True Church of England

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest for the entire program is Reverend Richard A. LaPage II, pastor of Reformation Anglican Church of Gray, Maine. And we are addressing the theme, what is a true Anglican separating historic truth from the falsehoods of those who have hijacked that term?

If you have a question, email it to chrisarnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, city and state of residence, and country of residence. And right before the break, Richard, you were, or Rick, as you requested I call you, you said that Arthur Bennett, the compiler, editor of the Valley of Vision, a classic book on Puritan prayers, when you discovered that book, you also discovered that Arthur Bennett was an Anglican, and you did some research, and you got yourself a copy of the Book of Common Prayer, and that led you deeper into Anglicanism, and if you want to pick up right there.

Sure, yeah. You know, and then it came in, and it was very fascinating. I began to discover, I know that T. David Gordon had also incorporated, I know in my travels around other Presbyterian circles, I noticed that other Presbyterians had also adopted several of the plagues.

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Yes, I know Angelo. He's a very delightful young man.

Yes, he is pastor of Christ Reformed Church of Alexandria, Pennsylvania. He is a pastor in the Presbyterian Church in America denomination, and yet he loves and utilizes the Book of Common Prayer, and I'm not sure how officially it is involved in the worship of the church, but I know that he personally, devotionally takes great advantage of it, and even posts articles from it on the internet, and I'd like to give him a plug as far as his website is concerned.

It is crcalexandria .org, crcalexandria .org. That's for Christ Reformed Church of Alexandria, Pennsylvania, but I interrupted you, and you could continue. Sorry about that.

Yeah. Well, in my course of study at Westminster, that whole experience, beginning to become an Anglican at that time, but it was the beginning of the process, suddenly began to become more aware of how many Reformed authors, both in terms of, because they were Anglican, I mean, J .I. Packer, before it's all that's confused, and it always made me wonder, how did these guys end up there?

Then as I looked at so many commentaries, and so many theological discussions that were written by standard textbooks, I'm trying to, I've been scratching my head trying to remember the title. I can see the cover of it, the standard textbook that would have been written by an Anglican or biblical.

I just remember that in my head of how many Anglicans had a great influence on the Reformed faith.

The theme at hand is, what is a true Anglican separating historic truth from the falsehoods of those who have hijacked that term? Now, the whole subject of Anglicanism is quite fascinating. First of all, let me very briefly explain to our listeners why I so frequently have Anglicans on my program.

People have been wondering if I am an Anglican, or if I am becoming an Anglican. The answer to both of those is no. I'm a Reformed Baptist who has a very high regard for biblically faithful Reformed Anglicans.

And one of the reasons why the subject is so near and dear to my heart is that my father, even though I was raised Roman Catholic before my rebirth by the grace and mercy of God, my father was initially Episcopalian, was raised Episcopalian himself.

He later converted to Catholicism when I was a teenager. But I think the subject became more deeply embedded in my mind and heart to discover and learn more about biblically faithful Anglicans when my uncle, who is now deceased, my uncle Don, who was an Episcopalian, was so disgusted by the leftist apostasy in the Episcopal church that he converted to Catholicism.

He did not become a Reformed Anglican. He became a Roman Catholic. And that saddened me because I know of the heresies of Rome. I know that Rome officially has a false gospel. If they condemn, especially very clearly at the Council of Trent, they condemned the gospel of the Reformers, and I believe in the gospel of Reformers, obviously they must have a different gospel than I do.

If you, that is, are believing in the Roman Catholic dogmatic gospel, the one that they define. So that disturbed me, it saddened me, and I started to learn and discover more about biblically faithful Anglicans, and that fascination continues to this day.

And it's a very controversial issue because not only do you have the different extreme wings of Episcopalian and Anglicanism, you have the far-left apostasy, where you have clergy that deny some of the pillars of the faith, not all of them, obviously, but you have clergy that deny the deity of Christ, the virgin birth of Christ.

Bishop Spong comes to mind?

Yes. In fact, I was present at a debate that Bishop Spong had with my very dear friend, Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, and Dr. Spong was defending homosexual activity as being something compatible with Christianity, which is very interesting that somebody would be considering themselves an expert on something defining Christianity when it's not even clear whether he believed in the existence of God.

But, but, but so you have that wing, and then you also have the other extreme Romish Anglo-Catholic wing, which one can very often, or even most often, barely distinguish from the Roman Catholic Church, except for the primacy of the papacy.

And then even within those that identify themselves as Protestant and Reformed, you have so many divisions. Every time I do a program on Anglicanism, I have people contacting me who are either thrilled and elated, or who are seriously questioning the accuracy and truth of whatever guest I may be interviewing, even though they might be themselves Reformed and Protestant.

And to be perfectly honest, at least two Reformed Anglicans have contacted me in the midst of this program, saying that they believe that they will disagree with much of what you have to say. So it's kind of an interesting phenomenon with Anglicans.

There are disagreements, even within the Reformed camp, disagreements over titles, whether you should call yourself a pastor, a rector, father, reverend, I could go on and on, vestment disagreements, collar disagreements, and then, of course, the high church, low church disagreements, and whether or not to view Anglo-Catholics and Roman-Catholics as brothers in Christ.

And of course, let me interrupt myself here. I believe that I do have Anglo-Catholic and Roman-Catholic brothers in Christ who believe in the biblical gospel. I cannot be more kind than the Apostle Paul, who believed the Judaizers were false Christians, and all they did was add circumcision.

From what we know, everything else the Judaizers did was in harmony with what Paul believed and taught, with the exception of their insistence on circumcision. And when the Church of Rome adds a lot more than that, how on earth could I say that they are my brothers in Christ?

Unless they are Catholic, or Roman-Catholic, I should say, in name only, and believing in a biblical gospel. But now that I've gotten my own voice out of the way, we have to already go to our midway break.

We started our first break a little bit late, so we have to go to our midway break right now.

Not a problem.

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Defining Anglicanism by the Reformation Sources

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