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Non -rockabotas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it!

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Are you going to bark all day, little doggie, or are you going to bite? We're being delusional. Delusional?

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Yeah. Delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional.

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So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt. She hung up on me.

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Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.

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Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives. Right. Don't go into the world and make homies.

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Right. Disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke, pastor.

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When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

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For freedom, Christ has set us free. Stand firm, therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

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That is Galatians 5 .1. What is up, everyone? Welcome back to another episode of Apologia Radio.

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This is, I guess we had a mashup last week, and I guess we're going to do another different mashup this week.

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So we'll just call it provoked apology radio mashup with half of provoked. It could technically be a provoked sheologian and apology radio.

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It's a try up. Yes, let's move on.

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So am I right? I have pastor Zach Morgan with a really cool shirt on. One of my best friends gave me this shirt, and I like it.

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That's really sweet. And on my left, we have Joy, the girl. Hello. Sheologians, and also

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Apologia Radio. But not provoked. But not provoked. Pastor Jeff is somewhere.

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I don't know. Is he still at the airport? I don't even know. He was in Colorado.

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He's in Denver. He was able to speak at the

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Colorado house, I believe. Session last night for an equal protection bill that we have helped put in there in Colorado.

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And he was there from like 11 45 a .m. till midnight.

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Yeah, somewhere around there. I think he finally got to speak. And then he was sending his videos, and it was all kinds of snow.

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I know how he is with snow. So he probably didn't handle it very well.

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But all that to say, he then was supposed to have left, supposed to have gotten back at 11 30 this morning.

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And then he was messaging us, and his flight got delayed twice. So I don't even know. Well, no, actually, I think there's mechanical issues.

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Who knows? So I don't even know. He might walk in the middle of this. I don't know. Somewhere.

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Yeah, but she's just still in transit. Yep. So very exciting stuff, though. That bill going into Colorado.

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And actually, we have the rally there on April 2nd. You can watch for that.

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And we'll be sharing it on an abortion now and on all of our threads and stuff or pages. I mean, so you can look for that.

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Please come if you're in Colorado at all. Come support that bill. Representative Dave Williams, who is awesome.

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Zach and I have met with him. He's a great, great dude. So you can come support that. And Action for Life as well.

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We'll be there with Dennis Sarfate, Zach Lautenschlager. So good time.

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So we have that coming. Oh, it's South Carolina's next week. Yeah. So we have the rally next week in South Carolina, Colorado, April 2nd.

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And then Louisiana actually got moved to April 30th.

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So we'll be there April 30th for that bill in Louisiana. So you can come support us.

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Please do. We need all the support we can get. But all that to say, I'm very excited to get our guest on,

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I should say, this week. We've had another four. And he's become a good friend of ours and has an epic beard.

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So Davis Yount, what's up, brother? Welcome back. Hey, guys. Good to be here. So if you saw the last show we had with Davis, he is a lawyer working with our 501c3,

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Sandwith Warriors is the group we started to help our brothers and sisters in the armed forces.

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Started with the SEALs, specifically, that are being forced to take the vaccine. And so we're going to get an update from Davis today.

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Pastor Zach actually also sits on the board of Sandwith Warriors. I don't even know what your title is.

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I forget. Emperor? Emperor, yeah. Something cool like that. I think that's officially what we made it.

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Yeah. Emperor, yeah. So anyways, Davis, fill us in, man.

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I know some really favorable things happening, some positive things since we had you on last.

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So let us know what's going on and we'll just get into it. Yeah, it sounds good. And I want to start with talking about where we were.

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So when you and I met the first time and we were in a room with those Navy SEALs, what we were facing and I was facing as a military member was the threat of court martial.

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We've come a long way since then. Some very good things have happened because of organizations like Sandwith Warriors, because the work you're doing, getting this information out to the public.

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Congress acted and they changed the National Defense Authorization Act so that court martial isn't a threat anymore for most military members.

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It's different. And there's also some good things that are happening in the courts. And there's a few different cases that I want to highlight.

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The Texas case being run by First Liberty Institute. Mike Berry, who's a lieutenant colonel in the

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Marine Corps, got an injunction for 35 Navy SEALs there. And then we have

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Liberty Counsel, who has gotten an injunction for two military members in the Florida case. And then in the

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Southern District of Georgia, we have another attorney that got an injunction for a single Air Force lieutenant colonel.

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So in each of those cases, what has stayed the same is that the judges are seeing what the military has done so far as just political theater.

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Judges have called it a ruse. They've called it political theater. That's what it's been so far, specifically with regard to religious accommodations and the military, the

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DOJ and their filings in those cases, it's just been ignoring the

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Religious Freedom Restoration Act. They have been doing blanket denials for military members, ignoring religious freedom. So we are right in the middle of the fight still.

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We've had some great momentum. We've had some good political victories, some good court victories, but we are kind of in the heat of this fight because even though we're getting this relief, we still have every day military members being discharged because of their religious faith.

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So I guess that's the place to start. So I know you mentioned a couple of those court cases.

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When do you expect some of those judgments to come? And maybe get into that a little bit more because I know there's been some, again, positive things that have happened and I've had to ask you, hey,

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Davis, what does that mean? You're like, Sherry, but like, hey, this is good. I'm like, cool. What does that mean?

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So for us, non -lawyer types. Right. So we'll start with the

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Texas case first. The Texas case, First Liberty Institute, Mike Berry, they brought that case on behalf of 35

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Navy SEALs and what they were able to get from Judge O 'Connor in that case was an injunction as applied to those

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Navy SEALs, those specific individuals on the basis that the DOD and the

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DOJ were ignoring the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and they were just denying religious freedom applications, exemptions from this vaccine without consideration for religious faith and without really any consideration for mission impact or alternative mitigating factors.

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So not to get too far into the law, but that was the first case that broke. More important to me in that case was the judge's rationale.

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The judge made it very clear that the DOD and the DOJ were not following the law when it comes to standard accepted practices for religious accommodations.

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That case, as it moves forward, they will seek an injunction that applies to all

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Navy. So the next news we can hope for out of that case an injunction that applies to all

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Navy. And again, I will say, praise God for things that happened in that case.

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I got connected to a Navy Lieutenant Commander who was able to provide whistleblower information to the attorneys in that case.

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We were able to get them in their hands. They were able to use that information and it's documentation that proved the

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Navy had a 52 -step plan to deny all religious accommodation requests.

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So it was really like a flow chart, but all of the answers get to know. So it wasn't a choose your own adventure where at some point you can get to a yes.

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The fix was in and the answer was going to be no in that case. So that was huge. And then

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Liberty Council, the Florida case, a little bit of a different posture. From the beginning, Liberty Council has been trying to get class certification, meaning they're trying to get a class action that will cover all military members.

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So that's what they're going for. That's going to take a little more time. But what they've been able to do, the judge originally set the deadline for a hearing in that case for September, September of 2022.

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By that point, it's going to be too late for most of us. Most of my clients, it's going to be too late. But they were able to move up that deadline by showing the judge in that case asked for numbers, asked for raw data of what was happening with these religious accommodations.

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So we were able to get a hearing, two military members testified. A lot of my clients put in declarations for that case.

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Now we're in a situation where we're waiting. Could happen today, could happen tomorrow, could happen early next week.

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But we could see an injunction for all of DOD, all military members in that case.

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It could happen very soon. So that's definitely a big thing to pray for. So say that that injunction happens and essentially it's just back to work like nothing ever happened or what would be the outcome of that?

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So what that would do is it would stop what we specifically asked for with Liberty Council in that case is stop all adverse actions.

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Because what's happening right now to my clients and military members is those with very little time in that don't have a right to due process are just getting kicked out.

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They're just being pushed out, typically with an honorable discharge, but they're out of a job, out on the street if you will.

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Those that are entitled to a board, so your officers, your folks with more than six years in, a lot of our

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SEAL friends are in a position where if their appeal is denied, and so far all of our clients have had their appeals denied, then they have five days to get the shot.

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If they don't get the shot, then they're facing disciplinary action and then administrative separation through a board process.

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So if we can get this injunction granted, it will stop the discharges and it will stop adverse actions.

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And then part of the litigation will be to us to get information to Liberty Council on what else the judge needs to do to make people whole.

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So there's a lot of different negative things, discriminatory things that have happened to our clients that we're still fighting every day, but hopefully that injunction in Florida will put a stop to some of that.

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Yeah, amen. Well, you guys, please be praying for that. And I know just from a pastoral perspective,

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I know Davis, you and I have talked about this a little bit, what makes it difficult. I don't think people really understand what's happening with the guys that are just sitting right now.

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And we saw the numbers recently, right? It's been pretty consistent from the beginning. It's about 25 % military -wide saying,

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I'm not getting poked. And so a lot of them are just sitting.

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They've been pulled out of their platoons. They're literally just sitting there, just working out every day, basically doing nothing.

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But some of the guys that we work directly with that we know very well are like, I don't know. They're trying to make plans for the future, expecting to get fired, but they may not.

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And so they're literally just in limbo and have been for months now. And it's crazy.

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It's just insane that they're putting our guys through this. Yeah, and I would just say that's the piece,

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I think, that if you don't have experience in the military, it can be hard to understand. But if you take Navy SEALs, I mean, those guys are used to intense training every day.

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You're either deploying, coming back from a deployment, getting a specific skill set and upgrading your training and knowledge or you're training for a specific deployment.

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So our guys have been just not being able to do those things. So they've been working out, trying to stay in shape, trying to stay sharp, but they haven't been in that training.

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So that's huge. That has an impact on everything. I mean, I have a client that's a chaplain that has been sitting in a hotel room with his family.

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His wife's seven months pregnant. They have a dog. They're sitting in a hotel room because the Navy won't let him PCS without a vaccine.

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They won't let him move to a permanent duty station without a vaccine. So he's been there for months. He's paying out of pocket for his hotel.

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He may or may not get reimbursed. And now it's to the point where if we don't get a move by early

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March, then they're going to have the baby in the hotel. Like they're still going to be living out of the hotel when they have the kids.

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So one of the things, there's a lot of different things that have happened from the beginning that to us, we look at it and see it as discriminatory and really without good reason.

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And it's not what's supposed to happen. Once you submit a religious accommodation in the military, you're not supposed to be punished for that.

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You're supposed to be treated the same as everyone else. If it involves a vaccine mitigating factors, the same things that were done throughout the pandemic can be used.

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Almost everybody in the military has natural immunity now, which isn't something that the military is taking into consideration.

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So it's been hard for the guys. It's still hard for a lot of the folks.

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Even if they're not my clients, you know this, we're just trying to pastor them through this. We're trying to shepherd them, trying to be supportive of their families.

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So there's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah. And so, I mean, just practically speaking, we just briefly discussed this before we started the show.

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Someone just asked in the chat channel if we're going to get into the Ukraine situation. I'm not even going to attempt to get into that today because I'm not really sure what's going on.

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But this is why this is important. Practically speaking, if our government decides to get involved in that situation, which

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I'm hoping they don't. But if they do, 25 % of our military is sitting there right now.

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That leaves us in a really bad spot. And it leaves us vulnerable.

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And it's not a good situation to be in. So, I mean, that's just one reason why this is so important.

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Were you going to say something? No, it's just crazy because you think the powers that be, the head honchos would understand that this really affects our military readiness.

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The guys are just sitting on their butts, and they're used to being in really intense training.

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I mean, if they are being weakened at the level of 25 % of personnel, then that's just weakening our military in all branches.

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So I just don't understand how the powers that be, the leaders in all this,

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I can't think of the term right now. Why aren't they seeing this? I mean, why is this acceptable? Why weaken our military in all branches?

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I just don't understand how they can't see through this. I think they probably can, but that's...

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I'm not going to get into that. Davis, you're nodding. Did you want to add anything to that? Well, what I was going to say is, you and I remember, that was one of the biggest concerns for my clients from the beginning was military readiness on this.

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We're talking about a huge percentage of Navy SEALs that are out of the rotation, out of the training rotation.

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And that means they're out of the rotation to get ready to deploy. The other thing, just the biggest example

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I have is, I have fighter pilots that I'm representing. And if you just think in terms of the Navy, right?

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So think of someone who flies a Hornet, an F -18 Hornet for the Navy, to be a qualified, fully qualified, fully effective pilot, you know, taking off, landing on a character and engaging in conflicts like the one with Ukraine.

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You're talking seven years. You're talking seven years in the pipeline to get that individual trained and ready to go, to be effective in a real world situation and to be trusted.

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And so we have, you know, there's a ton of pilots, you know, that are now out of training, out of the cycle, out of the deployment cycle.

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And again, almost all of them have natural immunity. That's what's so hard. That's why this feels, you know, it feels political or dare

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I even say spiritual. I mean, it feels depressing to think that this is the position that the military bureaucracy is going to take on this.

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And, you know, my clients see that, you know, they've seen it coming with other trainings and other things that have been coming in the military with regard to religious freedom for a while.

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But this just feels like a culmination of putting politics ahead of not just religious freedom, but really military readiness.

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Yeah, it seems crazy. That's a great point. And would you say the pilots are about 25 % as well?

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Is that about the same? Man, it's hard to know. What you see is the

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Navy did a very good job of really coercing people to get this vaccine.

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And the Navy has been by far the worst when it comes to coercion. So, you know, once this really kicked off, even before the mandate, the

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Navy was not allowing people to go to church. They were not vaccinated. You know, one of the attorneys that's been working with us resigned from the

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Navy at 18 years as a JAG because the Navy wouldn't let him go to church without the vaccination.

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He just walked away from a retirement, from an active duty retirement at that point, because that was the last straw.

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And he was a JAG and he's like, I'm not, this is unlawful, this is wrong, I'm not going to do it. So the

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Navy has been more successful in some respects. Where they're not successful are groups of people like the

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Navy SEALs and with the elite fighter pilots and a lot of senior officers, because those are the people that are in a position to take a stand.

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You know, the beginning of all this, one of the biggest concerns we had was people felt isolated. You know, we had people who were thinking, hey,

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I'm the only one, or I'm only one of two or three in my unit organization. But because we were able to get the word out, you know, you're still looking at between 30 and 50 ,000 military members that are still in and still waiting to hear on their vaccination status.

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So it is a significant percentage. And part of that's why the

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DOD doesn't know what to do. And we were talking about this a little bit before we came on, but what is the off ramp for the

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DOD? Now that they've started discharging people and federal judges, at least three are saying, you're doing this illegally, you're doing this wrong.

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The DOD has, you know, my clients see the DOD is in a very difficult position now if something doesn't change soon.

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So it's going to have to be corrected. This is going to be a mess for a while, I think. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and you mentioned earlier about,

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I guess, kind of making the situation whole for individuals even.

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What is that kind of, I'm sure there's kind of a spectrum of things, but what does that look like?

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Right, there's a spectrum of things. So there's sort of the immediate, which is stop. Stop punishing people, stop denying religious accommodation requests unlawfully, start recognizing medical exemptions fairly, start recognizing natural immunity, that's part of it.

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But the other thing that it's going to take, quite frankly, is it's probably going to take federal legislation at this point to change the way things are happening.

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So the federal judges can put a stop to things, but there is legislation that's out there.

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Chip Roy, Congressman Chip Roy has introduced legislation that is designed to restore benefits and everything else to military members.

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So how it would work, it would say, if you choose to be, you can be fully restored in the military with back pay, back to the status you were before you were kicked out over the vaccine.

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And it would also stop funding for the military to enforce the vaccine mandate. So Congress sadly could have acted before they approved the last continuing resolution to stop this issue with the mandate, but they would have had to stop, shut down the federal government, at least for 24, 48 hour period to do that.

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But as we come back, there'll be another vote on a continuing resolution coming up soon. And conservatives like Chip Roy and others are pushing.

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We had 46 Republican senators vote to stop this mandate at the deadline for the last continuing resolution.

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So public pressure is huge right now. It's not just donating to groups like Stand With Warriors. It's not just getting involved there.

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It's pressure on Congress. There were four Republicans that left town rather than vote to stop that and to stop the mandate.

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So probably important to learn who those are and contact their offices and put some pressure on them.

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Right. Because that's a big deal. That would be huge for my clients if pressure were put on those four

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Republicans who just left town rather than staying for that vote. Yeah, that's such an excellent point.

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That's one thing we've been trying to do with Action for Life and Registered Reform is to put that same kind of pressure.

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Politicians, they'll be honest as long as there's pressure on them to be right.

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So if there's no pressure on them, they're just going to do whatever they want to do. And so that's, yeah,

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I think actually through the Stand With Warriors website, there's some links there to help you contact your legislators and yeah, find out.

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I didn't even know that because I completely missed that. So yeah, that's huge.

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If one of your legislators is one of those guys or even if they have been doing the right thing, like you can call them and email them and give them support because they're going to respond to their constituents.

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So I'm glad you brought that up. That's excellent. Anything else on that point? OK, so I saw you nodding your head, so I didn't know if you wanted to say something.

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So this, I think, is a good time to segue then because you just brought up religious freedom and religious liberties.

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Obviously, that's what this is, a lot of this and where it stems from.

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And I'm thinking of Canada right now all day. I know we were going to talk about this. And this is why religious freedom is so important because then you become

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Canada or Australia. And I just had a call today.

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Sorry to all the Canadian and Australian listeners. Well, I mean, we've talked about this.

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We have people all the time messages from Australia specifically, and they're like, what do we do? And we're like, leave.

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I don't know what else to tell you right now. It's bad. And I know there's been a lot of...

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I just talked to Gabe Wrench, who I know you know, Dave, is on the way here. And there's been a bunch of pastors in Canada that have been standing strong through all this tyranny up there and trying to fight for Canada.

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And a bunch of them now are like, we got to get out of here. And so I had a conversation with Gabe about trying to help some of these guys get out of Canada because it's bad.

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And even with the convoy and all that, he just told me, Gabe just told me, I didn't know this.

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The government in Canada is putting pressure on the banks. So anyone who donated to this convoy, they suspended their bank accounts.

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Yeah, that's nuts. But that's where you end up if you don't promote religious freedom, religious liberty, you end up with full on tyranny and having to escape your country with your life.

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And our Navy SEALs, I mean, these guys that we met with, heard that over and over again. I know you did and I did.

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I mean, why are you guys taking this stand? We asked that question, why? You know, we're trying to figure that out, both spiritually and just to understand these men.

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And they're like, if we're Navy SEALs who swear an oath to support and defend the constitution of the

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United States, and we're not willing to take a stand when we see tyranny and we see the very idea that the government can shut down churches, shut down chaplains and can dictate to people medical treatments they receive with no regard for religion, like what's next?

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If we don't take a stand, who will? That's really motivated these guys. And I think there are people that push back and oh, you get a lot of shots in the military, why wouldn't you just get the shot?

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Are you scared of a shot? You know, for our guys, you know this. They've gotten the shots, but none has ever been like this.

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And there's so many differences between this vaccine and others. But the other thing that's been scary is the military and society as a whole have treated this vaccine completely differently.

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All the rules, all the legal regulations, all the exemptions that apply to other vaccines that I've gotten exemptions for medical reasons, things like that from other vaccines, they don't apply for this.

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The only medical exemption you're really gonna get, truly going to get, is if you have an adverse reaction to the first shot.

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If it damages you so severely that it might kill you to get the next one, then they will let you off the hook.

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And that doesn't even go into the other ways they've handled this. But absolutely, we have to stand strong on these issues.

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And our military has led the way on this. These Navy SEALs have led the way on this. So praise God for that. Yeah, plus if you already had an adverse reaction, then you're probably undeployable anyways.

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So they're like, now you get the exemption. Well, I can't even do anything now because my heart's jacked up. Like, it's so stupid, doesn't make any sense.

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Did you just, you said that just now that you've received religious exemption on other vaccines in the past?

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I haven't received a religious exemption for other vaccines. I have received medical exemptions.

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Oh yeah, that's what, okay. Easily from other vaccines. But we have clients that have received religious exemptions, not in the

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Navy, in the other services for vaccines. That's not new. That's not new. It's just been, it's never been impossible until this vaccine.

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That's such a great point. I had completely missed that too, because that's what makes us even more atrocious is because most people are like, well, you just get all the vaccines.

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What's the problem? And it's like, well, no, this has been a conversation. This is something that's been ongoing that people have received exemptions for.

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So that's a super, super important point right there. So I completely lost what

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I was going to say. Anybody? Jump in. I completely lost it. It's gone. I'm reaching for it and it's gone.

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Yeah, you just have to ask yourself the why question. Because this ultimately is a spiritual issue that we just can't get.

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I mean, that's how we make sense of all this. And all throughout church history, when tyrants flex their muscles and we do not push back, it only creates more oppression and more enslavement.

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So this is the right thing to do. It's just a painful thing to do. I mean, you take the Canada and the Australia situation, even though there is a tiny majority of people pushing back, it's really got to be more of a major issue, especially

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Christians. This is how we've held back the forces of darkness all throughout.

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Again, church history is saying, no, Jesus is King. Nobody else is coming into his territory to tell me how

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I need to worship. And that's just the way it is. But if we cower as Christians and we don't push back and say, no,

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Jesus is King, you have no jurisdictional authority to come into the church to tell us you're to worship.

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This is a religious issue. That's why I'm not getting the jab. If we don't push back, it's just going to get worse.

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And that's the greatest deception for people who just timidly cower and think, you know what? I'm just going to go along with it. To think that it's going to go back to a place of normalcy.

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You're tempted to think that. If only I would comply and submit, then

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I just want to get back to a place where nobody's bugging me. I'm making the money I want to make and everything's going back to normal. In history, that never, ever happens.

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It was ground taken for a reason. Exactly. It's a step forward and then there'll be another step.

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The government's not just going to see like, oh, we'll just violate your rights one time and then go back to normal.

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The point of it is to say, how far can we go? Yeah. It's just a lust for power.

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And that just comes straight out of our sinfulness or depravity. For people who have it all, they just want more power and more power.

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And that's what it's been through the ages. With a very real enemy behind all of it, subjugating.

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That's what he wants to do to destroy everybody created in the image of God. That's his end game.

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And people are puppeted. That's what Jesus said in John chapter eight. You do the works of your father, the devil.

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They're puppeted ultimately by him. But you have to incorporate the spiritual biblical aspect of it for it to make sense.

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Because it just doesn't. This is not just a national issue. This is a global issue.

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It seems like everybody's in cahoots. They're tied together based upon their own depravity.

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Their own unregenerate state. I remember what I was going to say. So thank you for reminding me.

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I don't know if you even did, but I remembered. So going back to what you were saying, Davis, about our guys there in Virginia.

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I know one thing. Pastor Jeff and I, when we were going out there to meet with the guys, we were going out there with the intention of we want to encourage these guys best we can to stay strong and keep fighting.

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And we came away. And I'm sure you were the same, Davis. We came away just like we were encouraged. We were fired up to fight.

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Because like you were saying, we've often viewed these guys in our military as the last line of defense against tyranny.

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Because if the government takes complete tyrannical control over the military, there's no one left to defend us.

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So these guys are like, no. You were there. You heard one of them specifically say,

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I'm willing to be martyred. I'm willing to have my career martyred in order to defend the liberties and freedom of our people and to stand on biblical principles and fight against tyranny.

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And I was like, all right, let's go. I'm ready. Let's do this. So we had two guys that day make decisions that they would be ready to be court -martialed if that's what it took.

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Like they weren't even going to submit an accommodation request. They were just ready to fight all the way there.

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But that's powerful. But the other thing I would say, too, that's just encouraging is the tremendous opportunity this has given me and so many in the military to share the gospel.

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Because we go back to people say, why? For me, 19 years in the service, why would you give up a retirement?

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Why would you give up those benefits over this? And the answer is because of my faith, because of my relationship with Christ, I have to do this.

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And we're seeing a lot of guys who got the vaccine, didn't understand the issues, either maybe they were

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Christians or maybe they weren't. But now there's no way they're going to get the booster. And they're not going to just sit down for that because now they've seen it.

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So that has been tremendously encouraging. And I do think when Christian men and women take stands like this, the world sees a difference in us when we're willing to do this, when we're willing to make these sacrifices.

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We've seen that. I mean, that's church history. Persecution brings out tremendous opportunity for our

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Bible. So that's been an awesome part of this. Right. Praise God. You were going to say something, Joy, I think. Oh, I was just I guess

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I hadn't really thought about the boosters. So I mean,

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I just didn't think about being locked in to continuing to have to,

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I mean, be get shots over and over and over again. And I mean,

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I guess in a way, like you said, it's helped some people kind of maybe wake up a little bit to the grand scheme of things.

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But how does that like what's if you refuse a booster? So like if you get your first two, you're good and not going to be discharged.

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But what happens if you deny the booster? Yeah. So no, no branch of the military has mandated the boosters yet.

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But what the Navy, the Navy leads the way on this stuff, on this vaccine, the Navy has really led the way.

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So what they'll do is they'll say, OK, but if you don't get the booster, they're doing all the same things they did for the vaccine originally.

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If you don't get the booster, you can't leave the ship. If you don't get the booster, you can't travel. If you don't get the booster, you can't do this.

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You can't do that. So they make it all but impossible for folks to say no.

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And then the pressure is just tremendous. The threats are tremendous. So that's where you see there are guys that have stepped up and joined us in this fight and then are looking to say,

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OK, I want to submit a religious combination now because I didn't know. I didn't understand this before. And now that I'm being asked to get the booster now,

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I see it. So I do see that coming as well. So even though the boosters are not technically mandated, we expect them to be at some point in the near future.

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And again, I see that as an issue that's just going to be out there for everybody that's there.

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Do we have anybody? I may have missed this. Do we have anybody that got the first vaccine and then we're like,

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I'm not going to get the second one and are in that position? I have.

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I have. Yes, we do. We have at least one. One had an adverse reaction to it.

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And so, yeah, we do have one. Absolutely. OK, so it's the same thing, though. They're facing the same the same consequences.

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Same issues. Yeah, it's crazy. And all that all that to say there's still not

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FDA approved right control in compliance with what the law requires vaccine available for any military member yet.

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And we track that all the time. We track batch numbers. And so DOJ had to admit that in the

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Florida case. Yeah, I saw that. It's crazy. I mean, so that that's just that isn't even the primary issue to me.

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The primary issue is the religious freedom issue. But all that is a background to say they still have not provided an

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FDA approved vaccine for military members. Well, that's that's huge. And that's really important because I think that's kind of getting swept under the rug is that has to be a requirement for all these vaccines these guys have gotten.

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And that's a major concern for these guys. They're like, this isn't FDA approved. Obviously, it's causing adverse reactions.

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Yeah, that's that's that's a huge point that you're not really hearing a lot of people talk about. People are hesitant because it's nuanced because they're like, well, the

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FDA said it was approved and it takes a lot of work because you have the only vaccine that is technically

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FDA approved. And DoD admitted this in the Florida case is it has to be produced after the date of the

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FDA approval. And it has to be produced at a BLA approved lab, meaning a lab where it meets all the specifications.

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And that vaccinate that vaccine is not being produced for any vaccine in the

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United States yet. It's not being distributed in the United States yet. And we're looking at batch numbers and every military installation when this comes up and we have yet to see a single batch that actually meets those requirements.

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And one of the concerns is what what does that mean? Why are they hesitant to produce the vaccine here in the

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United States? And the answer is there has to be more transparency in adverse effects once they start producing the

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FDA approved vaccines. There's different tracking requirements that come in. So all that is a huge factor in all of this.

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But again, we're still asking the question, how is this even a lawful order if you don't have an

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FDA approved vaccine to provide to our clients? And yeah, it's a foundational issue still, right?

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Absolutely. And lawful order, that's a good term for those watching that don't understand this.

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The military members have the right to question, is this a lawful order?

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And that's essentially what that's what they were doing from the beginning to saying, is this a lawful order?

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And they're just saying, ah, policy. So, yeah, the 25 percent of people that are just sitting in limbo right now aren't just any 25 percent of the military.

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They're 25 percent of the military that is that is willing to question if it is lawful or not.

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Yeah. And it seems very it seems like you'd want just a military full of those type of people.

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You'd think so. But so it's not it's not just like a manpower loss.

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Like there is a there's like a principle, like a sort of a I don't know, like an integrity issue that we have sort of disarmed people who are actually saying, like,

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I want to make sure we're following the law and upholding the Constitution because that's kind of the whole point.

39:38

Yeah, it's just straight up tyranny. Right. I mean, that is how tyrants work. Right. It's hey, shut up and do as you're told.

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Yeah. We don't want to hear what you have to say. And if you do, well, we'll just kick you out. We'll fire you. We want to get rid of you. If you're yeah.

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If you're going to kind of question things, we don't we actually want you to be gone because then we just have a nice group that will comply.

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They'll just lay down and let us walk all over them and just continue our reign of terror and oppression.

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You know, because I hate conspiracy and we throw around tyranny and all sorts of things like that and defining our government.

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But that is textbook tyranny. I mean, to subject the people and when they say, wait a second, this is what the law says.

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We can't do that. They're like, oh, you know what? You don't like it. You can get out. You know, it's horrible.

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That's a readiness issue, though, too, though. I will say that's a readiness issue because our military has a long tradition of noncommissioned officers and junior officers being given autonomy to be effective.

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Based on the changing environment and not be punished or executed for decisions they make on the battlefield.

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So, you know, if you look at the American military history and tradition, one of the things you learn as an officer is that that level of autonomy that's appropriate.

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We want our NCOs. We want our officers to think for themselves and to be effective in changing operational environments.

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You know, not like the German army at the end of World War two, where they they couldn't wake Hitler up from a nap to release the tanks.

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The American military is operating on principles. We're going to allow people to do their jobs well. And if that changes over time, you can absolutely see.

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And my clients, these guys we're talking to, that's a big concern they have because they're seeing bureaucracy, bureaucrats and politicians take over and having some pretty disastrous consequences when that's the driving force rather than doing the right thing, doing it well and having the autonomy to do your job in the military.

41:32

That's an excellent point. I'm just curious, Davis, what has been for you?

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I know what it's been for us, but for you, what is what has been the feedback you're getting since you kind of went public with this back in September?

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I think what's that been like for you? You know, honestly, I have had very little negative feedback and that's been that's been fascinating.

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You know, you just don't know when you go public with stuff like this, even though I'm representing these clients in my private capacity, not as a military officer because I'm a reservist,

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I can do that. You just don't know. My immediate leadership, they have been supportive of me and I hear more, you know, this is a fight that needs to be had, you're doing the right things.

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Then I do anything negative. So I, you know, I praise God for that. It's this weird balance of getting, you know, sometimes as many as 20 phone calls or emails a day from military members that are desperate to help and we can't help them all, but then it's also encouraging to know that the word is getting out there.

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These people are standing strong. So we're doing everything we can to stand with warriors to connect them. And at least they know you're not alone.

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You're not alone. People are praying for you. People are fighting for you. So we just need to be able to keep that up. We need to keep getting the message out so people know.

42:53

Man, that's awesome to hear. I'm encouraged. I have a thought on that. I was going to say that I think what's important is that I think these two cases that are out there right now are super pivotal because even though they're only representing a small number of guys, like the judgments will have ramifications military wide, right?

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That's right. Yeah. So that's why that's why this is so important. But going back to what you were just talking about,

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I've been saying this for a while because we basically get like, I would say three types of response, not just to this, but just really since COVID has hit in general, you get the people that are mad at you.

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You get the people that are super encouraging, which I would say the majority of the response that you've gotten is very encouraging.

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Then you get the people that are just kind of like questioning, but they're kind of like in the middle, like trying to understand or whatever.

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And it's a praise guy. The majority has been positive. And I think, and this is going to go back to our trip to Scotland.

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I don't know if we told you this day we had done a we had done a covenant or tour in Edinburgh, Scotland, like in myself and pastor

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Zach or pastor Jeff literally were standing in front of John Knox's church.

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Like we just did this tour. It was completely life changing. And we're like, what is God preparing us for? And then

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COVID hit like the next week, like it was the point where we're like, I don't even know if we're going to get home.

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Like, because everything's shutting down and all that. And so that inspired us.

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But I've been saying this really since then is people just need someone to lead. They just need people with courage to say like, no, that's not right.

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We're going to do the right thing. And overall people are responding well to that because they've been lacking someone leading with courage.

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You know, and that's something you're doing. You're doing the same thing. And so I'm super thankful and encouraged by that.

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But I was just going to say the people that are kind of people that are angry. It's like, whatever, just have a nice day, you know, but the people that are kind of in the middle where they're questioning, like, why are you doing this?

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And, you know, they want to have a discussion or whatever, but they're typically lean more towards the negative.

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But they're still least want a dialogue. And, you know, we've been saying like, look, our nation wouldn't exist if it wasn't for people taking a stand for religious freedom.

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You know, the Covenanters and the Puritans that came over here is because they wanted to have freedom to, you know, worship

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God as intended without the government interfering. And one of my favorite quotes

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I use all the time, actually got this from Lautenschlager. And I apologize because the camera's over here, but like Davis's face is over here.

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So I keep looking at Davis's face. I got this from Lautenschlager.

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And he said basically that, you know, the men that founded our nation were willing to lie face down in the mud.

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And so that generations after could walk across their backs in freedom. And I love that.

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And that's something that's really inspired me to fight. And that's what that's what our guys are doing. They're willing to, like, like, martyr their careers.

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They're willing to lay down. I mean, these are guys that literally will lay down in the mud, like, you know, and let people walk across their backs.

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And so that inspires me. And that's the kind of spirit and mentality that our nation is lacking.

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We've gone way soft. I know Pastor Zach's favorite motto right now is get hard, stay hard.

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We got that from the seals. And but it's true. And we've been trying to we've been trying to, like, live that out, not just not just say it, but like actually live it out.

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So any thoughts on that? Yeah, I was just thinking if we're not willing to lay down in the mud and do the tough stuff of confronting tyrants, then there's no bridge to freedom, right?

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There's no bridge. There's nobody there to actually provide the way towards a more freer nation and society.

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And then we'll just get further down the road and into a depression like Davis was just kind of alluding to.

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We've got to do it because people are so deceived into thinking that compliance is the bridge towards the life that they want.

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And that is just the greatest deception you could ever believe. So it just means we have to do the right thing and speak out and support the leaders that are actually doing that and be leaders ourselves.

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That's the path. But it's not a lot of times, as you see in history, it's it gets worse before it gets better because you got to take some bullets.

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You got to take some flack. You have to take when you swing at a tyrant and he'll swing back, of course.

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So you have to take those big swings and be willing to absorb them for your posterity and for your neighbor.

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We just we have to do it. Amen. I've actually been and I think

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I got pastor Zach in the same rabbit hole. But since meeting with these guys, Virginia, it's actually

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Jeff's fault. But we have kind of got sucked into this rabbit hole of interviews with Navy SEALs.

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There's so many good ones that are on YouTube that are like five and a half hours long. And so I just like I've gotten just like just pulled into this rabbit hole.

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But it's inspired me. It's you know, it's just like we need that. Like we we move.

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We actually have had like been telling some of our men like watch some of these things. You know, you want to know what it's like to be a man like watch some of these interviews.

48:43

I think I've watched Bud's 234 documentary about six times. I just watched that last night. Yeah. I mean,

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I just I just had I had Omicron. We all had it back like a month ago or so. And I sat there for like three days and just watched it again.

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And I love it. And but yeah, so I don't know why I said that. But I think it's because men need to learn how to be men.

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Yeah. You know, what's going to change only how it happens on the back of Christian men actually assuming their roles as men not having their manhood defined by a culture or anybody else, even authorities within the church can redefine it.

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Biblical men are violent men. We're we're not supposed to be rabbits.

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We're supposed to be. I stole that from Jordan Peterson. I was just listening. Oh, a rabbit is somebody who gets eaten up.

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We're supposed to be people who are strong and hard and tough. You know,

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Chris Pierce talks about violent men taking things by force, not violent, not violent in the sense of self, you know, self selfishness.

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I'm just violent to I'm violent to get my own will. You know, I'm violent to just promote myself. Yeah. I'm actually hard and strong in the defense of my neighbor and love for God.

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Yeah. That's the type of men are Christian men in our nation need to become because this tyrant of a government is just going to continue to roll over us until we as Christian men can rise up and push back.

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And hopefully do it more in the majority than just a small minority. Yeah, so true. We talked about this a little bit last week, but like men are created.

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I'm sorry, Joy, because you're the only woman here, but you can jump anytime you want.

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OK, but, you know, men were created by God to want to fight. And it doesn't mean like fist fight and stab people.

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You know, sometimes sometimes it's necessary. Or pretend even or pretend we want to wrestle.

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Right. Like this guy just want to wrestle. And I was saying this last week, like my son is nine months old now, and he already like he just he just likes to just dig into me and like burrow his head in me and just wrestle at nine months.

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You know, I have two older girls. They were nothing like that. And and so I just let him.

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I'm like this, you know, let him wrestle and roll around. And if he, you know, flips over and gets hurt, we'll just pick him up, brush him off, let him go back to it.

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You know, like and that's been one of my prayers is for him that he would just be tough and and, you know, want to want to fight and and that God would use him, you know, and give him a voice and then be strong and stuff like that.

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But that's our culture is just missing that. It is, you know, in three to three main descriptions in scripture for Christians and men, you know, soldiers, farmers and athletes, you know, we want to plant, we want to compete and we want to fight.

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But thank God for a godly father like you that cultivates that kind of soldier's mentality within his son.

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And that's what we need to do as Christian leaders and fathers is cultivate that Christian or sorry, that soldier's mentality.

51:41

So they're fighting the good fights. Yeah. You know, the fight for the Lord. They're fighting for their country. They're fighting for their marriage.

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They're fighting for their neighbors because we'll just fight for ourselves, right? We'll end up fighting for the enemy's pursuits.

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You know, if we're not guided by strong Christian men that are saying, oh, this is the good fight, right? And it's defined by the scriptures and the orders are given to us by our captain in Christ.

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So it's, it's essential. Amen. Anything else you want to add to that woman? All very good.

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I feel like I would, we don't, there's not enough time left in this episode, but yes, it's all very good.

52:21

And I mean, you guys say the same thing as geologians, right? Essentially. Yeah. I mean, I. Feminism is poison.

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It's because there's not strong men. Yes. I mean, that's in an attempt to not lengthen this episode by 45 minutes,

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I'll just go ahead and say, this is the evil work of feminism, which is feminized men in the name of tolerance.

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But really it's just women wanting authority, which is.

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Back to the garden. Yeah. Well, it weakens a nation is what it does. I mean, it's one of the very, you know, sources of weakness within our nation that weakens everybody, especially men.

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And then people can walk all over us. They can do whatever they want. I mean, I'm just going to quickly refer to Putin.

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Putin or Putin? Putin. Putin on the roots. Putin. P -dog. I mean, now he's in a situation where he just decides to walk right into Ukraine and kill people and do whatever he's doing to extend,

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I think, their territory. But what do we have? Who do we have running our nation? An incredibly weak leader who's weakening us and weakening our military.

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Why not? Why not do that? So it takes strong men and strong leaders to push back those type of people.

53:44

But I think just putting the pieces together, you know, all of the ideological undergirdings of feminism and everything else has weakened us to a place to where that kind of stuff can happen.

53:53

Well, and we've, you know, we've vilified, like you said, you used the word violence, like we've vilified that sort of rough physical pain type thing because it makes,

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I mean, it makes women being in control seem nicer. Yeah.

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But I mean, we know that there's been plenty of violence at the hands of feminism to the tune of millions and millions and tens of millions of unborn babies.

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It's just been neatly wrapped up behind doors, which is incidentally how women usually commit violence.

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So, you know, there is, what I'm saying is there's a way to justly enforce and be violent as it were.

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And then there's a way that's unjust and wicked. Amen. And I got somebody in the chat channel telling everyone to go watch some other guy named

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James White. I don't know what the heck's up with that. Hey, quit, quit stealing our listeners,

54:56

Dylan. Just kidding. James is an okay guy. Real Sam is right.

55:04

He says, scary that James White predicted every geopolitical course of action of the last year. Yeah. That is absolutely right.

55:11

Exactly right. But still keep watching our show. We're almost done. I was going to say something else that threw me off.

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I completely forgot what it was. Davis, where can people go to help support?

55:28

Oh, Jeff just landed. Apology of studios just told us I just landed. So I'm assuming that's

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Pastor Jeff. But Davis, where can people go to support and help with what you're doing?

55:41

Standwithwarriors .org. That's really the best place to go. The best place to support what we're doing there is we are trying to get the message out to military members.

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We're pushing people to get involved in contacting Congress. And then we're using those resources and the information to get there.

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And we're pushing people into the right litigation. And we're going to keep looking at how to get more military members connected with these federal lawsuits.

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We have a lot of guys that are connected already with different pieces of this litigation. So we're just working on that big picture strategy.

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But it's standwithwarriors .org. That's the place to start for sure. Right on. Thanks, man. Yeah, you guys, please go if you're at all interested in helping support.

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It's not free to support these guys.

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And I mean, I can't tell you. Believe me, I wish these guys, I wish you could hear them and hear their stories.

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But they're not the type of people that need or want the limelight. They don't want their faces and their names out there.

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They just want to do what needs to be done in the dark. That's what they're good at. Which again,

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I learned the hard way. Somebody, if you're listening. And Zach knows what

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I'm talking about. That's very cryptic. Zach knows what I'm talking about. And I'll tell you after we get off air.

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But I wish you could hear these guys, man. I mean, just I can't tell you how amazing these men are. They love

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Jesus. They're all about Christ and the gospel and expanding

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God's kingdom. And they just see what they're doing as a part of that. And so please, please support them if you feel led to do so.

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And Jeff just said that you look like an old Puritan, Davis. He does. I'll take that as a high compliment.

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I love it. All right. Well, I know we actually are supposed to have done a started a

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Zoom call update call with Stainless Warriors 12 minutes ago. So I'm going to let you get off Davis and then

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I'll close the show off and I will see you again. In about two minutes. Anything else?

57:46

Joy. Thank you. Joy, the girl. Pastor Zach. I'm good.

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He's good. All right. Well, thank you. Jeff just said you look like a homeless man.

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Zach, Zach, he gets the Puritan. I get the homeless. Yeah, that's okay. You know what they say about paybacks, though?

58:07

Yeah. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Um, anyways, uh, thank you, everyone, again, um, just for, uh, yes, the rally still happening in Colorado.

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I mentioned at the beginning. Um, just because it didn't pass last night doesn't mean we're done.

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Um, still having the rally. Um, so again, you guys can support that in abortion. Now, please support the work we're doing alongside with Action for Life to end abortion in our nation.

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Um, thank you to everyone who supports, uh, Apology Studios through all access.

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You literally turn the lights on just like, uh, Davis was saying, uh, or we were saying about Davis and Tailed Warriors.

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That's not free. Neither is what we do. So thank you for your support. You make it happen. And I think that I am out of things to say.

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So I forgot my outro music. Sorry, we're just going to end this awkwardly.

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Uh, we'll be back next week. Actually, Pastor Jeff will be gone again next week. He'll be at the South Carolina rally.

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I can't even get my states straight. Which is a good thing. Um, so we'll be back next week. I may have you back on.

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We're going to be talking with, um, hopefully, uh, the plan is to talk with Jeremy Stahlnecker from Mighty Oaks.