More Problems at Passion 2013 - Judah Smith - Jesus Culture

The Need for Sound Doctrine and Biblical Discernment

It's time for another edition of Fighting for the Faith. Thursday, January 3rd, 2013. So far, every bill that I've paid, I've got the year right when I wrote the check. I'm so excited. Small things like that make me happy.

Usually my brain isn't that sharp, just saying. I was afraid I'd be writing 2012 into, like, March, you know? Thank you for tuning in. You're listening to Fighting for the Faith. My name is Chris Roseborough.

I am your servant in Jesus Christ. And this is the program that dishes up a daily dose of biblical discernment. The goal of which is to help you to think biblically, help you to think critically, and help you compare what people are saying in the name of God to the Word of God.

Now, something that I want to kind of start the program off with this idea, this concept, and that's this, is that sound doctrine and the need for it and the dangers of false doctrine is not my pet peeve.

Now, from time to time, I get accused of it being my pet peeve, but it's really not my pet peeve. It just happens to be my focus of my apologetics, you know, emphasis at the moment, you know, because of what I do for a living.

But it's not my pet peeve. But I will say this, that based upon what Scripture says about the importance of sound doctrine and the dangers of false doctrine and false teachers and false prophets, I think it would be a safe way to describe it as this is one of God's pet peeves.

Because over and again, especially as you read through the New Testament, you find over and again warning after warning after warning after warning about false teachers and false prophets and those who come in Jesus' name bringing a different message, those who tamper with God's word and or they teach their dreams or their vision.

And this is not just a New Testament theme as well. I would point you to something like Jeremiah chapter 23 or 22. Take a look at that. Or look at Isaiah, the prophet Isaiah. Or you look at, you know, look at the Pentateuch.

Moses warning about false prophets, okay? These aren't men warning about false prophets and false teachers. This is God warning about them. Because keep in mind, the same author, okay, there is a human agent and there is a divine author behind every book of the Bible.

So when we read Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, or, you know, Numbers, you know, those are called, you know, the books of Moses. Yes, Moses wrote those down, correct, okay? But Moses wrote those down as he was carried along and inspired by God the Holy Spirit.

So God the Holy Spirit is the author, really the author of note of the Torah, okay? Then when we get into the New Testament, the epistles of Paul, yes, Paul is the one who wrote those epistles. But he wrote them theonoustos.

That means God breathed. And therefore, since they were God breathed and God the Holy Spirit was the one carrying the apostle Paul along as he wrote these things down, God the Holy Spirit is responsible for the writings of Paul the same way that he's responsible for the writings of, well, Moses and other biblical authors.

So when we point you to the fact that Scripture, Scripture is very, very, let's say, uptight, okay, about the importance of sound doctrine and the dangers of false doctrine, I'm not just saying that Scripture is uptight about it.

In reality, what I'm saying is that God is uptight about it. He really is uptight about it. And he doesn't turn a blind eye to it. In fact, over and again, he warns us to be on guard for false teachers, false prophets, wolves in sheep's clothing, those who wouldn't spare the flock, ravenous wolves and things like that.

These are warnings given to us by none other than God himself. So sound theology, sound doctrine, rightly handling God's word is not something that is, well, unimportant or can be relegated to that bucket of, well, that's just no big deal.

It really is a big deal. It truly, really is a big deal. And the reason why is because, well, we all have a real enemy and his, he's the devil. You get what I'm saying here? And he's not going to rest until your carcass is in a grave.

At least he's not going to leave you alone until that day. And that being the case, if you bear the name of Christ, if you confess that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins and rose again on the third day bodily for your justification, if you are baptized in his name, the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and you are proclaiming Christ and him crucified to your neighbors and to your friends, well, there's a word for you.

We call you a target. It just goes with the territory. You know, it's one of those things. And Satan, he's a deceiver. He is a liar. And what he really is going to try to do is to get you off topic or get you believing a lie.

And the way he does that is by tempting you or sending your way people who you believe to be people or men of God or nowadays women of God. That should alert you to something there that they probably aren't.

That, you know, who are claiming direct revelations or dreams or vision or catch the latest thing or whatever. And you know, okay, even though they're coming to you in the name of Christ, you must, must, must do the work of a Berean.

The scriptures tell us that the Bereans were of a more noble character than the Thessalonians because when the Apostle Paul, we're talking about the Apostle Paul here. I mean, I don't know about you, but me personally, okay, if, you know, I have like the utmost respect for the apostles and the prophets.

It's the respect along these lines is that God called them to a specific task and put them in a particular office, the office of prophet or the office of apostle. God is the one who put them there. And that these are men who through their lifetime ran their course and died in the faith, right?

Okay, these are not somebody that you just kind of, you know, they're like, they're nobodies. They're actually kind of somebody's, but they're not somebody's because there's somebody in themselves, but there's somebody because God made them somebody.

Does that make sense? And so the Apostle Paul, who started off as the murderer and persecutor of Christianity, Saul, this is a guy who was abnormally born as an apostle, as 1 Corinthians 15 tells us, that he was abnormally born because he's an eyewitness of the resurrection of Jesus long after Jesus had ascended into heaven.

And he is an eyewitness of the resurrection because Jesus personally appeared to him while he was on the road to Damascus to round up Christians and have them arrested.

Okay.

Jesus appeared to him, you know, and you know, the proverbial saying is knocked him off of his horse and blinded him. And and now and then he became the Apostle Paul, the one who brought the message of Christ in him, crucified and raised again on the third day to the Gentiles.

He was the apostle to the Gentiles. This is a man who planted churches and would preach Christ anywhere he had a hearing to preach Christ at. The open marketplace up on Mars Hill, you know, wherever he could preach Christ, he would preach Christ.

Right.

So, I mean, this is somebody who, you know, just in respect for the office of apostle, I mean, there's some authority that goes with that. But the scriptures tell us that the Bereans tested the gospel that they heard from Paul.

They looked in the scriptures to see if what he was saying was true. And rather than being rebuked by God, you know, how dare it's enough that he's the apostle. Paul, just believe him. That's not that's not the position that scripture takes.

Or I should say God takes. No, the position that God takes through scripture is that he calls the Bereans those of noble character. They had a more noble character than the Thessalonians because they tested.

So we live in treacherous days. And understand this, that when you look at the prophecies in scripture regarding the imminent return of Jesus Christ, one of the major prophecies given by Jesus Christ, as well as the apostle Paul, is that the church that in the visible church, there would be great apostasy, a falling away and a rebellion against sound doctrine and against what God has revealed in his word, that there would be false teachers and false prophets, some of them performing signs and wonders to as according to Christ to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

You see, this is not this is not an agenda that Rosebrook concocted and cooked up on his own. No, the fighting for the faith. Well, teases out a very important agenda in scripture, the need for the preaching and proclamation of Christ and him crucified and the preaching and proclamation of sound doctrine, of rightly handling God's word, of not tampering with it and correctly teaching it.

So that sinners like me and like you can hear the gospel and hear the forgiveness of sins won by Christ on the cross, be confronted with our sins and daily be brought to repentance and trust in Christ for the forgiveness of our sins so that we can bear fruit with that message.

Because truly, that is the good news, the gospel, that is the hope of the world, the hope that the only hope that will get us through the soon to be occurring day of God's judgment and wrath when all men will be called before the throne of Christ to give an accounting of their life.

And if you are not in Christ and your name is not written in the book of life and you do not believe in him and trust him for the forgiveness of your sins, then, according to scriptures, you will perish eternally.

That's what's at stake. Now, in the grand scheme of things, that to me seems to rise to the top of our priority list. So that's what guides and puts wind in the sail, if you would, of Pirate Christian Radio Fighting for the Faith.

So I just want to lead off with that thought. Now, let's talk about what we're going to do on today's edition of Fighting for the Faith. It's going to be a long edition. Yesterday was almost three hours.

Today's going to be close to that. I apologize. That's just the way it is. We took the pirate ship out of dry dock and found ourselves immediately in a skirmish. I mean, you read the gospel of Mark, Euthys.

This is a Greek word that Mark uses constantly. It's immediately, and then immediately, Jesus, and immediately, and immediately. No sooner did we take out the pirate ship out of dry dock than Euthys, immediately, we were involved in a...

Passion 2013, Jesus Culture, and Kim Walker-Smith's Testimony

Yeah, well, that's how it's going. So here's what we're going to do today. We're going to dedicate what's left of this hour and on into the early parts of the second hour to unpacking some of the stuff that's been going on at Passion 2013.

We're going to take a listen to a testimony from the lead singer for Jesus Culture, which is one of the featured bands at Passion 2013, so that you can hear for yourself who's been invited to lead worship over at Passion 2013.

Then we're going to take some time and listen to Judah Smith. I listened to his session today, and I got to tell you, that was absolutely seductive and false teaching that he gave us, and not only that, it falls back into the category of dangerous for other reasons, and I'll explain later, but he ended up giving a lecture on community, and being a secret-driven guy and somebody who's closely associated with the Druckerites, when you hear a Druckerite talking about community, you need to know what's going on there.

So we're going to unpack some of the things that Judah Smith said today, and then when we get to our sermon review time somewhere in hour number two, literally we're going to be listening to an entire sermon, no joke, an entire sermon based upon a prophetic dream that a pastor claims to have received for how the church is to position itself for the year 2013.

I don't know if we've ever quite done a sermon review like this, but then again, we may have, it's just that getting older and my brain creeping into creeping decrepitude, I just may have forgotten about it, but anyway, so we've got a lot of ground to cover.

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Yeah, this is normally our Bill Johnson update music whenever we do an update for Bill Johnson from Bethel in Redding, California, because the truth is out there somewhere, but it's definitely not in Bethel.

The reason why we're using this update music now is because we're going to be listening to, well, a personal testimony given by Kim Walker-Smith of Jesus Culture. This would be the Praise and Worship Band, one of the Praise and Worship Bands featured at Passion 2013 this past week.

And, well, Jesus Culture, they come out of Bethel in Redding, and they basically believe and buy into the heresies and ideas of Bill Johnson, so that's why we're playing this music. So let's go ahead and kill the... yeah, there we go.

I didn't particularly like that rendition of it. Anyway, but so without any further ado, here is Kim Walker-Smith and her, well, encounter with Jesus Christ. I'll let her explain. Here we go.

And all of a sudden, and let me just remind you again, okay? This is not a normal thing for me to just have these encounters.

Just so you know, this was from the Awakening 2011 conference.

But I have one, and I just live off of that until the next one. So I had this encounter. All of a sudden, I see Jesus standing in front of me, and He's reaching for me like this, like He wants me to come to Him.

And I was terrified. I felt like I couldn't go to where He was. I felt ashamed. I felt scared. I felt like I didn't deserve to be close to Him. I couldn't even look Him in the face. And Jesus is completely irresistible.

I always say that there are three things in my life that are completely irresistible to me. One is, of course, Jesus. Number two is my husband. And number three is chocolate. Completely irresistible.

So glad that Jesus is right up there with chocolate.

But anyways, so, irresistible. I go to Jesus. I fall in His arms. And as I'm laying in His arms, I'm still feeling kind of afraid to really even look at Him. All of a sudden, this thought comes into my mind, and I know this is not my thought.

I would never, ever, ever in a million trillion years think this. And I think I need to ask Him two questions. I need to ask Him, How much do you love me? And what were you thinking when you created me?

Really? Okay. So you've fallen into His arms, and you're going to just go ahead. How much do you love me, Jesus? And what were you thinking when you created me? Uh-huh. Okay.

And as this thought comes into my mind,.

Is anyone else just going,. Yeah, no, this is not Jesus who she was cuddling with.

I'm thinking, no way! I am not asking those questions. Now here's what you need to know.

As if!

About me, and why I was so afraid to ask those questions. One is, when I was a little girl, I had heard someone say something, and long story short, I got it in my head somehow, that I was a mistake. I thought that I was supposed to be born a boy, but I was born a girl, and God made a really big mistake, and now here I am, just this big mistake, and I literally believed that my entire life.

And to ask God, What were you thinking when you created me? I really believed that He would say to me, Well, I made a mistake, and I was trying to make a boy, and came out a girl, and now I'm just trying to make the best of a bad situation.

I know, it sounds ridiculous, huh?

That's really what I believed, it's crazy.

And then to ask Him, how much do you love me?

No, trust me, the thing that's really crazy, is that you believe that you really had this encounter with Jesus. That's kind of the crazy thing.

I felt like He'd say, well, you're a mistake, so how much could I love you? I mean, I think you're okay. I mean, this is what's going through my head. I know this sounds crazy,.

But these are the kind of lies that I was believing.

And all of a sudden, out loud, in the natural, outside of my vision, over the microphone.

I mean, immediately the question that comes to my mind as I'm listening to this is, did the folks at Passion 2013 not have a doctrinal vetting process to make sure that they were featuring there? Because here's the deal, you give the stage to somebody like Kim Walker-Smith at Passion 2013, in front of 60 ,000 young adults, and there's probably more of them going to go, man, I like their music.

I better go find out more about Jesus' culture, maybe get an album or two, maybe find out more about what they believe. You see what I'm saying here? Why would you want to feature such a band who's obviously theologically into the wingnut category?

And that, by the way, that is no insult on wingnuts out there. I just want to let you know that. But let me continue.

Anthony Skinner says, you need to ask God two questions. And my heart starts pounding.

What?

You need to ask God, how much do you love me? And what were you thinking when you created me?

What?

So now I feel like the little kid that just got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

That's how I feel.

I feel completely exposed.

I felt so angry. Like, Anthony,.

You just said it out loud in front of everybody.

Now everybody knows, and he probably hurt you.

I have to ask.

I was so upset.

And finally, I'm just, I'm trembling, and I can see myself in Jesus' arms just trembling and shaking. I can't even look at him. And finally, I get the courage, and let me tell you, my courage was about this big.

But thank the Lord, that is all you need. You just need that much courage, okay? I finally say, how much do you love me? I'm kind of scared. And all of a sudden, Jesus puts me down, and he starts stretching out his arms.

Okay, they're each going out each way.

And it looked like stretch arms strong. And a lot of times I say stretch arms strong,.

And some of the younger people don't know who I'm talking about, okay?

He was a superhero.

And by the way, that makes me feel old, and I am not old, okay? So if you don't know who stretch arms strong is, you need to Google him.

But he was like a superhero,.

And his arms and legs and stuff could like stretch out like spaghetti noodles,.

Like forever.

And you're like falling off a cliff, and he'd be like, like save you, okay? So Jesus, okay, his arms are like stretching out forever and ever, and I'm looking and looking, and I can't...

Yeah, this is a woman who definitely is a disciple of Bill Johnson. Not of the scriptures, though. Um, yeah, I... This Jesus she's talking about, the stretch arms strong Jesus, that ain't the biblical Jesus.

That's a different Jesus. That's a false Jesus.

The ends.

I can't see where it's ending.

And he starts laughing, and he goes, I love you this much.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

And he's laughing hysterically.

Sounds like a demon to me.

Laughing.

I'm cracking up.

I'm suddenly like, I'm becoming like so full of joy,.

And I'm just like,.

What?

You love me that much? I can't even see the ends.

It's going on forever and ever and ever. Oh my goodness.

I can't...

You love me that much? This crazy happiness is like.

Welling up inside of me,.

And I'm laughing with him. And in the end of it, I'm like, you know what? I'm good. I don't need to ask that other question.

Nah.

Hey, I'm good.

Hey, we made some great progress today. This has been wonderful. We should do this again sometime.

Thank you, Jesus.

Thank you. Like, this is how I am, okay? And a few months later...

Who's she really teaching about? Jesus or herself? Go with herself. She's not teaching us anything about Jesus.

A few months, I'm at the prayer house, and it's like really early in the morning. I liked to go there when the sun was coming up, and I'd just sit and pray and watch the sun come up, which, by the way, that is a miracle in itself, because I am not a morning person.

There's like this period of time in my life where, I don't know, it's just the Lord. But anyway, so I'm there, and nothing is going on, you know, out of the ordinary. I'm just sitting and reading the Bible.

And I have my back to the door, and all of a sudden, I feel the presence of the Lord literally walk into the room. And I just... I mean, I suddenly felt this, almost like the fear of the Lord, this trembling inside of me.

And I can feel Him walking towards me, close to me. And I suddenly had this revelation. He has come for that question. And I am freaking out. And there is nowhere to go. There is only one door, and it is on the other side of Him.

And I am stuck. And I feel Him just come right up to me. His presence is so strong. I can't even turn. I'm just sitting there like this. And just my heart is pounding. And I feel Him saying, Kim, please ask me that question.

And I'm like, oh, hello, Jesus. Good morning. I'm great. I don't need to ask that question.

I'm doing so good.

Have you seen how good I'm doing lately? The nervous laugh. And Jesus is like...

Again, the question, why would Jesus' culture, and she's their lead singer, why would they be invited to lead worship at Passion 2013? It's clear that the Jesus she believes in ain't the biblical Jesus.

She's got all kinds of theological problems here that are, well, too much to number at the moment. Clearly, she falls outside of Orthodox Christianity. She is somebody who is deceived, who believes in a false Jesus.

I wouldn't be surprised if she believes in a false gospel, too, a false spirit. Why would they be featured at Passion 2013? We continue, though. She's regaling us with this interesting experience, which, by the way, this isn't the biblical Jesus she's actually talking with.

Please, please ask me that question. Ah, you know, I'm good. I'm good. Jesus, hey, hey, you know what? It's all right. It's all right.

It's all cool.

We're cool.

We're cool, Jesus.

And I feel him again. Please, please ask me that question. And again, he is completely irresistible. And I fall on the floor. I start sobbing like I do in his presence, and I finally say to him, Jesus, what were you thinking when you created me?

And suddenly, I'm standing with Jesus, and just in front of me is God the Father, and he's got a table in front of him.

So now she's having a direct revelation of Jesus and God the Father. That's weird, because Scripture says that no one has seen.

He reaches into his heart, and he rips this chunk off of his heart.

So God reaches into his heart and rips a chunk out of his heart. You mean like, well, it sounds a lot like, hmm, hang on. By the way, this is Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. All right, enough of that.

If you haven't seen the movie, they rip the guy's heart out.

It's disgusting.

Anyway, we continue.

He throws it on the table, and it's suddenly like clay or Play-Doh, and he starts molding it and shaping it. And I'm like, Jesus, what is he doing? What's he making? What is he making? And all of a sudden, I see he makes me.

I'm there on the table. And he reaches over, and he grabs this box and brings it over, and he sets me inside the box. And you know those little jewelry boxes that little girls have where you open it up, and it plays music, and the little ballerina, like, twirls?

Hello? Do you know?

Are you sure this wasn't a nightmare?

Talking about...

No?

Do they not make those anymore? My goodness. I'm not old, okay? And, um, it was a box like that. And he shuts the box, and he gets in front of it, and he's, like, really excited. He kind of looks around, and he opens the box real fast like that.

And when he does, inside, I start twirling and dancing and singing to him and worshiping him. And he goes, whoo-hoo! He, like, runs around.

He runs around, and he comes back,.

And he closes the box, and he's like...

And he throws it open again, and he's like, whoo-hoo! And he starts running around in circles again, and he comes back over, and he closes it again.

I mean, this is going on and on and on and on.

And it's so crazy. He gets so excited every single time.

Yeah, crazy is the right word here.

It reminded me of those little kids.

With the jack-in-the-box,.

And they're, like, shocked every single time it pops up.

As if they don't know it's going to do that, right? It was like that. It's like he was so surprised.

And so happy every single time.

And I'm standing with Jesus watching this, going, what is happening? What is this? Why is he so happy? And all of a sudden, he reaches in the box, and he picks me up, and he puts me in the palm of his hand, and I go from being there watching with Jesus to being in the palm of the Father's hand.

And he's bringing me close to him like this, and I'm watching, like, what's happening? What's going on? I'm getting, like, closer and closer.

Okay, enough, enough. This isn't biblical Christianity. That's not Christianity. She didn't really actually meet Jesus, nor God the Father. This is, well, demonic, because it takes our eyes off the biblical Jesus.

It puts our eyes squarely on Kim Walker Smith. Oh, yeah, this is the woman who's met Jesus and who was in the palm of the Father's hands and, you know, all this kind of stuff, and none of this is Christianity.

This is a huge satanic deception, which then leads back to the question that I was asking just not too long ago, and that's, um, do they not have a theological doctrinal vetting process out there at Passion 2013?

Why would they feature somebody like her and Jesus' culture to lead worship? I'm not sure what Jesus they were worshiping, you know, but it ain't the biblical Jesus. That's for sure. All right, we're up on our first break.

If you'd like to e-mail me regarding anything you've heard on this edition or any previous editions of Fighting for the Faith, you can do so. My e-mail address is TalkBackAtFightingfortheFaith .com, or you can subscribe on Facebook, Facebook .com forward slash PirateChristian.

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Dangerous, deadly stuff. You'll find out why on the other side of the break. Stay tuned.

Judah Smith's Community Theology and the Trinity

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