May 1, 2019 Show with Dr. Theodore J. Cabal on “Controversy of the Ages: Why Christians Should Not Divide Over the Age of the Earth”

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Who? Sat at the teaching of our guest today at Munster Bible College in Cork, Ireland and his name is dr Theodore J cable Who earned his PhD at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary he's a former ardent atheist and now he's a professor of philosophy and apologetics at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and The general editor of the apologetic study Bible.

He's the author of numerous journal articles book chapters and professional Papers and today he's going to address his book Controversy of the ages why Christians should not divide over the age of the earth and It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio.

Dr. Theodore J cable.

Oh, thank you, Chris. I'm honored to be invited and I hope Mary's listening because she's one of the true saints of God who's inspired that she would.

Recommend me to you. Wow. Well, I hope she's listening after hearing a glowing compliment like that. Well, I'm gonna give our listeners our email address immediately if they want to ask questions about this controversy about the age of the earth and especially Why we as Christians should not divide over it.

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Before we go into the book and the topic of the book. Obviously, I want you to tell our listeners something about the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Where you are now on the faculty.

Chris, I feel so for 20 years now. They're just some of it, but they they are really Lord and Their their commitment to the a real joy. Then I'll say one more word here in cork. Oh, it's not just cold like it, but I will tell you well since you've been there over 20 years.

You must know a very good friend of mine who retired from his post at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Dr. Tom Nettles.

Oh, yes, Tom has Been a close friend ever since I've been here. And of course I knew about Tom before I came here.

Yeah, the Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, right?

Well, that's right, and he actually taught at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth. Where I also was on that as you noted and he I guess the first yeah Tom Tom's office was right across the hall from me until he retired and as do I am.

It's always Refreshing to meet and to get to know somebody who is Simultaneously brilliant and humble because they those two things don't go hand-in-hand all the time. Yeah, sure does. Well now we're gonna do something.

That is our tradition here at our interpreters on radio whenever we have a first-time a guest. We like to have them give their personal testimony of salvation and provide such information Such as the type of religious atmosphere you were raised in.

What providential circumstances the Lord used?

To draw you to himself and save you and so on that the very best. Yes, God, not only you have memory. I grieve over. I grieve over this any idea exactly. What is properly called. I heard the gospel to take it there woke up at the time he said Teddy You're not going to church anymore because my parents didn't make me when I did go with them I would sneak out and go over across the street as you don't.

I fell back asleep that night. I I can God her and darker and by the time I was in high school I was in about a theist are so God is a sense to be a rock and roll guitar player. I was a professional lead guitarist in a band and traveled in bands.

I went to art now. I made fun of Christianity. I would but I did. I could see collagen the creation other people. She's even while professing to either be an atheist or now interested in marijuana. So that's what we were doing and this was quite a fight going down the road it broke down not bothered to turn him back in a number of books on religion from a library of happy to know that I.

Because I've already written it off I thought I'd seen it as a Bible usually I'd started that if I'm going to have any credibility with people in Saying that Chris conversant with G. I was at age 20 mom.

What do you have a New Testament? Yep, and she gave me a living Bible and I started reading it. And by the way after my conversion when I here's my goal. It's what it turns like get say I had no idea what's going on.

And I called the only Christian first time in years that I didn't feel any Compulsion to want to smoke marijuana today. I was more high when I was Bible study through the gospel and said yeah, I do and he goes praise God brother You're saved and all I needed to know what any and that began my study when I came for kneeling about amazing Experience and I'll just tell you a couple of more day.

I called him. And I don't even know what I'm maybe my sweet lord by the Beatles or something silly. I knew that I couldn't stay in that lifestyle down to marijuana. I don't want this stuff anymore, but I want to tell you about Jesus Christ.

Of course, they were happy to come. You know get free pot just to put up with me and that was usually the end I would see if I still own for my salvation. I grace alone knew. Yes. This is 11 Do you realize it's well for a man to have long hair and and I needed to get a haircut and this was in a way Kind of a miracle, but picked me up.

Tell me don't bring that don't bring that living Bible. So I had about a 50-pound black King James my mom dug up to carry. I went to church that very it's all these people like that's weird and and They're looking at me because I don't look like one of them and I'm looking at them the music hounding and yelling.

But the weirdest thing Chris is on that tub built in the why was baptized a baptistry? And what is this work in Christianity because there were so many options me Chris and and to this day first week I didn't know anything about the Bible.

Getting to know this on a run from deep abiding conviction that I wanted to or whatever Attacks on Christianity and if I didn't know the answer I conviction was for more than 40 years. That's still with me.

I don't have all the answers. Nobody does except the Lord. Never disappointed me as a person and the Bible has praise God.

Just one quick story that you might find humorous since you were talking about long hair before I when I first started visiting regularly a church outside of my Roman Catholic upbringing the church where I was eventually saved Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville Long Island, which No longer exists it merged with another church on Long Island and became Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York, but Calvary Baptist Church was the first church where I regularly attended as a As a lapsed Catholic searching for truth and the Lord saved me there and I got baptized there.

But before I got baptized I was in a 7-eleven wearing a leather jacket and heavy metal t-shirt and long hair down to my shoulder blades and I bumped into a woman who was a member of Calvary Baptist Church.

And she had her niece with her a little tiny girl who was probably somewhere in the neighborhood of four years old five years old and she said to Her niece. Oh, this is my friend Chris. He goes to the same church that I go to and the little girl said looked at me and she looked at me up and She said he doesn't go to church.

And.

My friend Judy said oh, yes, he goes to our church every Sunday. I see him there. Oh, no, he doesn't and she said stop saying that he does to go to church. Why do you keep saying he doesn't go to church and the little girl said he doesn't look like he goes to church and that little girl Convicted me to get my hair cut.

I know that there's a Disagreement amongst Christians on what exactly is too long for a man and so on. But I didn't want anybody to guess or wonder if I was really a Christian let alone a little child.

So I was convicted and I had my hair cut before I was baptized and I never let it grow that long again. Well, also let us know now How you eventually came to be a professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Yeah. Again, one of those incredibly unlikely things. I Agree at the age of 20 and it was right in the height early days of big movement was to renewal move, right? Denominations there was also the Billy Graham crusade and then there were in other words It was the closest awakenings.

But this really was like a lot of it had wildfire, but it's better than no fire. And so literally every night of the week thing together and sort of had this view. Which was a very kind of a bit of an irony that I'm ended up at a I ended up to make this store Evangelized on the street for years while I would work other jobs and study the Bible.

Eventually through Bible now, I wasn't getting paid or anything, but there would be a group of us, you know here we are all and tried to the Wild West and Education all on my own read the Bible and was kind of self satisfied and cocky and arrogant with all of this tension and.

Long story short all this led to my leaving a move craziest of things that were where I ended up and felt most at home theologically and Going back to school to develop the gift a good bit of head knowledge.

But I had part of the going into missions I ended up being at Dallas Baptist University for a while then I taught to Southern terminal cancer in 2001 or was diagnosed to die just several years later. Wow and winning the time that I did do no writing and then called multiple myeloma, it's it's akin to leukemia or Lymphoma type of gone home before I have.

Maybe it's because they're good people the world wants them and what I need more sanctification, whatever the reason but. So story of what an amazing you today Chris.

Amen. Well, I'm glad you did and we're going to our first station break right now. And as I said earlier if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question.

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Peter was one of my doctoral students and as I tell in the forward to the book I Had done felt like we're needed in this book. But with all the cancer treatments that I alluded to earlier, I could no longer write but I couldn't write.

It was like all of a sudden equal and But what's interesting is he eventually as I mentioned earlier research and say in the forward I did the book couldn't in those years when when I would have given up on it and You know vision and I wrote the grateful to Peter and I felt it was only appropriate that he'd be credit as of the way.

Now one of the things I think we would be amiss if we did not have you describe a little bit is The Munster Bible College because the reason that you're here is that a student at Munster Bible College in Cork, Ireland.

Mary is the one that urged me to interview you and I took her up on her suggestion. And so obviously you spend some time teaching there. If you could tell us a little bit about Munster Bible College.

Yeah, I was in and I was and the week was remarkable. Getting me past the college is so gospel traditional. Oh, they for an extra Bible college. Fabulous job meaning people making a difference. I can't you hear this.

Well, we just got a note via email from the student the aforementioned student Mary in Cork Ireland and she said hi Chris and Ted. I don't have a question, but I just wanted to say it's a wonderful joy to Hear dr. Ted share his testimony.

Great to hear he is doing well, please. Don't forget Ted you are always welcome in Ireland and God permitting. He might bring you back to us again. So that was very nice. And I also got Word from a mutual friend of ours Ken samples who wanted me to say hello to you and extended his greetings.

To my favorite people in all the world. There are both full examples and I know I need not tell your listeners since you've had him on more than once. What a what a treasure he is to that. You've made my day by those affirmations.

Amen. Well, I'm gonna read a couple of endorsements for your book Controversy of the ages why Christians should not divide over the age of the earth. The first I'm going to read is from JP Moreland distinguished professor of philosophy at Talbot School of Theology.

The time is long past when we have needed a very careful thoroughly documented analysis and Response to the claims of young earth creationists, but with this book I am delighted to say that that time has come.

Its.

Same thoughtful handling of evolutionary creationism makes controversy of the ages a critical read for evangelicals. Wending their way through the confusion. I am very enthusiastic about the scholarship careful treatment an ironic tone of this book and highly recommend it.

And here is a Commendation from someone that may not be very familiar this name to my reformed listeners. Most of my listeners I think judging from the emails and responses I get are theologically reformed.

But someone I've known Since the late 1980s dr. Jack Cottrell professor of theology at Cincinnati Christian University, he is not a Calvinist and would Be definitely opposed to those teachings that I hold dear but dr. Cottrell just on a side note.

He wrote two of the best books that I have ever read and I've had this confirmed with reformed scholars two of the best books that I have ever read on the dangers of feminism and its encroachment into Christianity one is called Feminism in the Bible and the other one is called gender roles in the Bible and unfortunately, they're both out of print.

But you could probably get them out of print on Amazon somewhere. But anyway Dr. Jack Cottrell says I am more than happy to see the publication of this volume and to recommend that it be given serious Consideration by the evangelical world there is no biblical doctrine more important than creation.

Thus it is crucial that all Bible believers speak with a unified voice on its main tenets. Even if we cannot agree on creation's every detail I believe this book can help us to come closer together on its more important elements.

Now I'm gonna start off by reminding our listeners or informing our listeners that don't know this. I happen to be Very firmly committed to young earth creationism and a literal six-day creation. But as I just mentioned moments ago I have a dear friend named Ken samples who is an old earth creationist and I have other friends That are in that camp and I have interviewed folks from that camp though.

Typically not on that subject but Even though I do strongly hold to a young earth and a literal six-day creation I am in agreement with my guest Ted Cable that sometimes the divisions And the rhetoric on both sides by the way, and it's not exclusively one side that is overly harsh or Overly filled with ad hominem in their attacks on the opposing view.

But I have been I've become grieved over the extreme and the excesses of the harshness while at the same time realizing that there is Definite cause for caution at least in my opinion From those who disagree with me on the age of the earth especially when it comes to.

The.

Existence of a literal Adam and Eve and other issues, but Obviously Ted you wrote this book. Why subtitled why Christians should not divide over the age of the earth. Obviously there was something that you were experiencing and witnessing similar to what I just said in my own life as a Christian where you were becoming troubled by those dividing over this and if you get to give us some background of what Led to the the writing of this book.

Yeah of. The controversy that we're just a few acted. The end of the world. People will be taken. Many people today may not be able to relate to this. You have denied this if you didn't help and by that I would mean the inerrant world of the age of the earth.

You. I did though. One of the things that I would do is come to the 19 I did on the issues.

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