August 30, 2022 Show with Dr. Ernest J. Zarra III on “From Character to Color: The Impact of Critical Race Theory on American Education”

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He has just written a book called from character to color the impact of critical race theory on American education and being as extremely familiar with the best in Christian literature and In this case, it would be even a broader audience exclusively Christian but knowing of her her experience her discernment in regard to Literature having been in the book business for so long.

I take Patti Jennings Recommendations extremely seriously and so I did not hesitate to invite Dr. Ernest J. Zara the third on the program today. He's an author a blogger an educator and member of the National Association of Scholars and It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio Dr. Ernest J. Zara the third.

Hi Chris. Thank you. Good afternoon.

Salvation Testimony and Call to Christian Education

It's a pleasure to be with you today and looking forward to our conversation About this critical issue and other issues as well that we are facing as Christians and culture today.

Amen. Well before we even get on or in I should say the heart of the matter today. From character to color the impact of critical race theory and American education. We have a tradition here on iron sharpens iron radio.

Where we whenever we have a first-time guest. We have that guest. Provide for our listeners a summary of their salvation testimony and that would include the kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in if any and the kind of providential Circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you.

So I'd love to hear your story.

I'd be happy to share that my story in Bloomfield, New Jersey where my wife and I were raised. We were raised about seven miles apart. She from Cedar Grove and I from Bloomfield. I was a senior in high school and some of my friends were believers.

I wasn't at the time they invited me for a basketball tournament, but wonderful Scrooge Lake, New York at word of life and On January 13th at age 17 and I gave my life to Christ and I remember David clap 100 people.

Even though we're kind of full of bravado. We're asked me. Would you like to go forward? I said yes, absolutely and at that point changed my life Became a Christian New Jersey, which is where I met my wife.

I played soccer there For several years in baseball basketball, but primarily soccer and baseball where we won the national championship and I've had I had the privileges of freshmen to score the winning goal against Grace College and At that point my my life was like wow God.

This is amazing. But I wasn't really aware of is that not all Christian life is the goal-scoring Moment of your life there are ups and downs and that well within a year and a half I blew up my right knee and so I had to have a I had a long long road to come back from that but Lord was good and I was able to come back from that middle American first team Christian College and and at that point I was married and my wife and I had graduated college and we decided that we'd move out to California and It's a long story as we came out to California to teach in a Christian school my very first job I remember that it paid just barely $6 ,000 a year teaching fifth grade and I had to do sweeping of the floors in the evening to make ends meet but Susie and I were on our own being firstborn and we we came out west and we settled in Orange County, LA County and we wound up our time in Kern County for about 35 years in the city of Bakersfield along the way Between the time we arrived in California and the time we settled in Bakersfield.

I picked up some graduate degrees and If you had known me as a high school graduate I was a functional illiterate that was not educated. My dad had been Buddhist from high school. My mom dropped out to have me and So my upbringing I was the first believer in the family.

I was the first high school college graduate the family. But we moved to California. I heard this guy on the radio. And his name was dr. John Ward Montgomery and he was answering Bible questions. Yes Lutheran Lutheran.

Scholar and theologian. I remember I remember him well on the John Ankerberg show very frequently being featured there.

Apologetics and theology and law combined and decided to apply. Low behold he accepted my application and I studied under him. Under Walter Martin and Josh McDowell and some other scholars at the time who were, you know Imports to the college to teach us to the classes.

So my early mentoring became very important with John Montgomery. Walter Martin was another one. I spent a year studying under him in the college.

Environment. A lot of very fond memories of seeing him on the John Ankerberg show as well.

Yeah, yeah hair back-to-back to have as professionally believe me and as a young 20-something year old seeing in the depths of the faith and The intellectual aspects that are associated with it. It wasn't just enough for me to say I believe in Jesus.

I wanted to know why I wanted to know who else did. I wanted to know why it was different than others and how I Could defend that belief if I had to. So I got a degree in apologetics and then went to Greece graduate school picked up another degree in biblical studies and In Bakersfield picked up my third master's degree in education curriculum and instruction.

Then I melded all that together in a doctoral program at the University of Southern, California. And I happened to study under Dallas Willard down there who was on my dissertation committee. So little did I know that I had some really strong heroes of the faith Molding me and talking with me having dinner with me and taking me under their wing personal as a young believer.

Never forget with dr. Montgomery and dr Willard said to me. Montgomery said to me You know You need to be on the radio because you have something that people listen to when you speak you have As if you're teaching.

Well, I began a teaching career and spent over 40 years in the classrooms at different levels. Dr. Willard said to me, you know, you no longer have to please anybody now. You have a degree. Go make your mark for the Lord in the world.

Those two men were those two basic sent me a fire. You would not believe now. I'm in my I've written my 15th book in the process actually finishing the 15th book. I've spoken at churches debated atheists at colleges.

I've done all kinds of things from a functional literate standpoint giving my heart to Christ and Then getting the training necessary and believing that you can do it because someone has confidence in you and Then being taken under their wing and given opportunities to show that Certainly has had rough, but all that being being said I Wouldn't change a thing from what those men invested in my life and on my life my wife and my children and grandchildren.

I retired living in the state of Washington presently at a member discovery Baptist Church in Gig Harbor. Where I started attending Baptist Church in the Bluefield, New Jersey first Baptist Church and then out in California.

I have to tell you it's like a smorgasbord when we arrived. I mean we went from Chuck Swindoll to John MacArthur to Chuck Smith variety of Bible teachers on the radio and in person that you could choose from.

It was difficult to plug into one church because of all the smorgasbord of theology you were getting. And so we just found ourselves, you know every week going to different churches without plugging it to one until we moved To Bakersfield and plugged into a community church up there Bible-believing solid evangelical church.

So that's the pilgrimage in a nutshell and Just I'm I'm just blessed. What can I say? I just wake up every morning saying thank you God another day.

Well, praise God and when in your life did you realize that you. Had the skills and the interest and perhaps even the calling to enter into the field of education.

Well in Bible college you were required to do so some of the hours that we were selecting. They were basically given a list of places to select from to go, you know to serve the church in the community so one of those was and Believe when I tell you it was not my first choice, but one of those was to go to Brookdale Baptist Church in Bloomfield and to Teach a group.

I was like so fearful of that I mean being in front of people scared me at the time. No, I was really insecure not having the words to frame or what I wanted to say. Not having the vocabulary to express that not certain really in my biblical knowledge yet.

You know just a few years of being a Christian. And so I had an opportunity to do that. What I found out is when I began to talk about my is and who I was. That I had my age working for me with the students.

I had the eye contact necessary to the students and they actually sat and listened and Asked questions at the end and I said to myself if this is what teaching is about sign me up. Because the engagement that I found that that I need in their families.

That whole network environment of relationships was so appealing that it was ministry oriented whether I wanted it to be or not and I quickly realized that it was and how it could be effective in that respect.

And so whether or not I was in Christian education. Which I spent 11 years in or whether I was in public education, which I spent over 30 31 years in at college high school middle school. Most of the secondary in college the same approach worked in.

That you stand in front of people you connect with people on a human level. You you relate to them their experiences your experiences. You give them something that they can grow the lives in present them truth because they're looking for truth in this wayward world and.

The relationships inside but mostly outside of class developed at a much deeper level and then the respect is there for your faith. Because of that relationship that's developed and I found that that niche that God provided for me to reach out to people.

Not just in a blatant. Here's my testimony in the classroom approach. But as an arm-around kind of soulful hug where people have needs and need to have those met. For a teacher who cares for a teacher who meets the family for a teacher who sees them in the community.

Don't forget this. When I was out jogging one day with a fellow colleague believe it was I was mentoring for for a position in the school. We were talking and we were running by a Starbucks in the parking lot of the shopping center, and I heard this.

Hey, dr Zara and I looked over and one of my students and he looked at his dad said that's my teacher. And I said to myself You know for the first time in my life, I realized no matter where I am or what I do I'm I am that kid's teacher and I began to extrapolate that to the faith.

Because when I leave church on Sunday, I'm still a believer and people are gonna know that about me. And if they don't then I think there's something wrong with the walk that it needs to be corrected.

Well, I am delighted that there are people like you immersed in standing against the tide of Satan's kingdom that has Infiltrated and consumed and taken over of our lives in particular of our lives that involve even the youngest of children leaving many of us horrified but Having to remind ourselves God's in control and he will have the victory in spite of what how anything looks At this time well, we but this book that you have written very important book.

That anybody who has a concern and this should be all of you Anybody who has a concern about critical race theory about the social justice warrior movement about the woke movement all these other phrases that this should be in the libraries of Everybody listening and the contents should be in the minds of Everybody listening from character to color the impact of critical race theory on American education by my guest today.

First of all the title sounds like it is a lament About how many who claim to be champions for the cause of the welfare and good and progress of black people and other minorities. This is a lament that the words of Dr. Martin Luther King jr. In His famous I had a dream speech have been reversed.

He longed for a day when men were not judged by the color of in the contact of Contents of their character and I have many very serious disagreements with the theology of dr. Martin Luther King jr. But that is one thing that I can wholeheartedly Agree with him on and so why don't you tell us about?

This book when it occurred to you, you know, I've got to say something about these frightening things that are happening and why you believe that you had a Valid voice to be included in the discussion and debate in the public arena over this.

Defining Critical Race Theory and Its Origins

Right, right. Take them apart as I can and approach it accordingly as I said before I think the Lord gives me certain insights into trends in American culture and You can you can rest assured that what is in culture will eventually work its way into schools and it because Human beings go to the same thing with the church.

You can expect what's affecting culture. The people come to church once a week twice a week. They're gonna but to get to why. Here's an example. I started hearing about the problems they were facing in the classroom.

My most recent job was training teachers teaching teachers how to teach what to teach, you know the methods and One of the classes that I had to teach about Multiculturalism and trauma-informed instruction that kind of stuff when I started reading the literature in great detail.

I was really concerned about it concerns. Plus people were contacting me knowing that I do write to the different trends. They do have several books out and I received several emails and one of those sounds like this.

Hello, dr. Zara. I am currently a public school teacher and here in Washington State. And the prior to teaching I taught public school and other places here in Washington. She's got several years experience over 30 years actually.

Should I just I just read the preface to your book from character to color and I'm not starting chapter one. I had to take the time to find out how to contact you and say thank you for what I'm about to read in My short 30 plus years teaching in the elementary grades what I've observed over the past six seven years.

Been nothing short of a slide into something. I did not recognize. I'm grateful for your well-documented book for your perspective and as a person of faith I am trying to find my way in the last five years before I retire, but it's nothing short of difficult.

So thank you for all the work you have put into the book your acknowledgments section who spoke to me. Sincerely a fellow educator who is giving it my best. And you asked me why? People in the church, what do we do about my kids are hearing at school?

I don't know what to do about this the slamming of my children. They're coming home asking questions about am I this am I that? Mom dad, I don't know what to do. Well parents would get know what to do.

And if it did something they were called names. So it'd be it just fell onto my shoulders and into my spirit if you will. But something had to be written about this to give parents the sigh of relief they needed that there was a soulful support for them and Ways to approach this and to let them know that okay your kids are dealing with this.

But here's how you can deal with it as well as a Christian parent. So I write for both Christians and non-christians and you'll notice my chapter three is about common grace and critical race the balance and the contrast of those two.

But this letter the way it wrapped up is as a person of faith I'm trying to find my way in the last five years. If that's a teacher talking imagine the students and the families on the home front. Wow.

And it would be wise for us right now obviously before we get too deep in the discussion, even though I've addressed this issue and Many things involving this issue many times in this program. I don't in this day and age.

Right now I don't think we could talk about this too much to be perfectly honest and different authors and minds have something that they uniquely contribute to the discussion, but Perhaps it would be wise for you to define critical.

It depends on.

Who you talk to about this lengthy history from the Frankfurt School in Germany all the way through just let's say It's a theory that's been adopted Originally in law schools. Derek Bell in the 50s and 60s came up with it.

Kimberly Crenshaw refined it and Kimberly Crenshaw The way this whole thing happened with Crenshaw is really interesting because she she decided that she would assemble a conference at the UCLA professor and she would have this conference and Have them people invited to come to the conference so that they can hear about this Theory and this theory basically said that there's primarily some inequalities in the housing market and inequalities that that extend from the housing market to other Systemic things that appear in American culture and some of those systemic things admissions college system is set up for and set up by Whites for whites so that the outcomes even if people of color were to achieve them would benefit somehow the status quo or benefit whites but that's the American Bar Association as the theory began to grow and Adopted race into its fold because critical theories is a big umbrella term.

Critical race theory is just one of the different particulars of race under the critical theory umbrella but the American Bar Association said The RT critical race theory is not a diversity and inclusion training but it's a practice of interrogating the role of race and Racism the society basically what we have here is something coming from the ivory tower that eventually worked its way into American culture and as a result of the incidents with George Floyd and the BLM movement wound its way into sort of leverage over many areas of American culture that were deemed systemically racist and So not to tackle or benefit or give something to the groups that were clamoring for attention at that time Would to be labeled even further racist so sort of a corporation being labeled racist.

There are diversity equity inclusion offices, and they'll have a lot of funds spent on Diversity training and sensitivity training and things of that nature for for the company mind you now. What is in culture?

Actually comes to schools. And so what you have now is the entire from the top down is being affected by an external. And so now we have children coming home traumatized because their teacher is saying that their skin color and Racism are connected in the days prior to the emergence of CRT in the last few years.

People of color BIPOC students black indigenous people of color. Or the ones that are being traumatized according to the systemic oppressive or oppressors if you will. Now we have whites being singled out by being called names as the oppressors.

They're being traumatized. It's a reverse traumatization. And so where we have one group being traumatized your key allows the other group now to traumatize in return, which is not uncommon because Ibram Kendi as an anti-racist uses that same strategy to discriminate today to eliminate past discrimination and Discriminate today to keep it from happening in the future.

So will you have anti-racism now connected with CRT? It is more Activistic than it is Philosophical or just ideological. In fact, we have.

Why CRT Is Not Compatible with a Christian Worldview

In the schools. Yeah, we have to pick up where you left off there. Because we're going into our first break right now. If anybody has a question about critical race theory or anything that would fall under the umbrella of the woke Movement social justice warrior movement and other things send in your email to Chris Arnz ar n Zen at gmail .com.

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I even know of a allegedly Conservative evangelical church not far from where I'm sitting. That has a very good reputation throughout the Christian community in South Central, Pennsylvania who actually offered courses on whiteness 101.

So you might be a member of a church like that and you don't want to draw identity to yourself. Because you are very uncomfortable about what's going on and you're speaking against this publicly. I could understand something like that would compel you to be anonymous, but if it's just a general question on critical race theory and all related matters, please give us your first name city and state and Country of residence.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Ornson of iron sharpens iron radio. If you just tuned us in our guest today for the entire two hours is dr Ernest J. Zara the third author blogger educator and member of the National Association of Scholars.

We are addressing his book from character to color the impact of critical race theory on American education. And we have a question already from Thomas in West Islip, Long Island, New York and Thomas asks, why was George Floyd the perfect storm as to why the critical race theory and other connected issues began to start an inferno of This dangerous ideology that spread rapidly across the world.

Hey, thanks Thomas with the BLM sign and black lives. They became quickly militant because their ideology Requires activism and they knew that activism and militants would would bring a lot of attention.

So they start out as a small group and George Floyd just was the perfect match for the explosion of culture and with a national audience and with people on all sides of the political spectrum including conservatives moderate liberals as well as in churches from all different perspectives.

Began to see a video of a man who who died under the knee if you will of a law enforcement officer That just lit the fire that was burning But through gasoline on it if you and exploded from there. What we have then is BLM began to elicit from corporations Statements about why they believe there's racism in America because they use that incident to point to a racial Inflammation if you will in culture.

If it had a been a person of color Whose knee was on the neck probably would have been similar responses not as extreme.

Well, yeah, it's see it seems that even when black police officers Whether they're male or female whenever a Suspect or a known criminal is injured or killed whether for good reasons or because of a tragic accident Immediately, they are labeled as if they are white racists no matter what color they are.

Today Asians and some Hispanics are considered as white adjacent.

Yes.

Meaning if they if they accomplish similar things to whites. Then they are as accomplished as whites using the white system. And they are not to be considered people of color because no longer viewed as oppressed because of their success.

We get into that a little bit more. But the the situation with George Floyd was just a perfect storm that was necessary at a very volatile Political moment during a presidential race as well. You got to remember the entire Storm that was circulating there and al moeller writes a great book the gathering storm and points a lot of these things out in that book.

So it's not just George Floyd incident. That was just one thing that drew national attention to a situation of great disparity between two skin colors one of oppressed and one of oppressor and at that point that fit the ideology of the wolf movement and.

And off it went and it's still building. It's not done yet, but it's still building and you'll notice that a lot of our American culture is changing Based on skin color as well. You know now we've injected gender theory into the mix at great extent.

But because the skin color and so there's there's a lot of a lot of back and forth about what this means. But nevertheless this comes to church. Okay, as Chris pointed out before and in his illustration it comes to school.