Texe Marrs and Revelation 1:1:1

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It had been my intention to have a video up on my youtube page before the program today, but I was visted. That's a that's a new verb around here. Oh, you got visted. Huh? Yep. Yeah, I got this did I have a new tablet a PC and The unit itself is gorgeous Well made powerful has everything on it you could ever want to have on something you're gonna be dragging all across the United States and using it in airports and on airplanes and hotel rooms and Teaching rooms and classrooms and all that kind of stuff except for one thing.

It has Vista on it. I Before I called I before I even called please please Can I please get this in with XP, please and they they wouldn't do it. They could a I probably couldn't do it. There's probably some guy from Microsoft staying behind the poorly in the phone with a gun.

You will not sell XP. We have moved on suffer slaves and and so so I got this today and So I didn't get it done because I was My Vista machine decided though from the time it came out of the box It has played nicely with our wireless network here at the office though.

It can never see any of the XP machines But at least and get to the Internet. It decided today. I'm not even gonna do that anymore. You know what? I am just superior To all these I have detected other machines on this network.

They're XP. They're not Vista. Therefore I'm not gonna even talk the wireless anymore. So Anyway, that was I Didn't get it done. I'll try to get it done this evening. Lord willing because I Guess you know, I I know this mentally, but it's it's hard hard to keep it in mind.

I I ran the same problem when I'm teaching at church. Because you know, for example, I taught through church history back in the 90s and You know I try not to go back over that stuff but half the people more than half the people sitting in front of me weren't there in the 1990s and Those that were don't remember a thing I said So I don't have to you know avoid repeating stuff.

But I I remember I taught on it and so, you know, I try.

And.

It's a little bit the same thing. I've been doing this for a long time now. I mean I listen I don't don't listen to him, but I think of some of those radio programs back on KFYI with Tom like us I Was like 21.

I remember one of those one of those first radio programs. I did on my 21st birthday for crying out loud. That's a long time ago. That's almost a quarter of a century and Yeah, Rich is going. So anyway So I once I started putting these rippling er videos up.

I Was even watching and channel today when Rich first started watching the rippling er Titanic video. It's just it's sort of like somebody even in channel even likened it to watching a traffic accident.

You don't want to watch but you can't help but watch you just you can't tear yourself away. It's just like Wow, this woman's out in public even this is this is frightening, you know, and So I Have queued up.

I'm not going to subject anyone to the rippling er Titanic thing on the dividing line. But I was thinking I was I don't know about three days ago, maybe four Someone directed me to a video on YouTube of a young 24 year old fella down in, Texas and He is repeating the over decade old allegations of good old Tex Mars About dr. Wilkin losing his voice on the John Ankerberg show now.

The nice thing is he's got this still where he's identifying who the people are in the room. He doesn't identify me but I'm gonna grab that thing and Go now one of the major reasons I can address this with more expertise than almost anyone else is this is me.

So I'll put a little down there and put a graphic in there. That's me right there. See all the hair. Yep, I had it once see the big glasses. Yeah, that's me right there so I tried to write this fellow, but I couldn't contact him.

I've actually just to let folks know I've actually Turned my YouTube email off in the sense that you have to be on my friends list to write to me. And I have one person on my friends list.

I.

Did not mean that to be here open door right right to me anything you want to write to me. And I will sit around the rest of my life answering all of your questions. I didn't really mean for that to happen.

So I've had to shut down that and that's a particular perspective because well some of the stuff was quite interesting especially the Islamic emails pretty pretty wild but Just just not interested in fighting through all that kind of stuff.

That's that's in there, and I just don't have time to respond all that anyways. Even if I had the inclination to do so so anyway I tried writing this fellow to let him know you know Texmar's lies and errors on this have been exposed a long long time ago, and you're just repeating them.

You know over a decade after they'd already been refuted probably about 12 years now actually. After they'd already been refuted, but lies tend to have very long shelf life. And here's there's no place where lies have a longer shelf life.

Then amongst King James only advocates who are constantly looking for any reason to continue to believe something that just doesn't make a lick of sense to any of the rest of us for obvious reasons, so on our website if you go to the articles at a omin org Slash Mars ma RRS capital M. Then small a RS dot HTML you will find a Article that I put up a long long long long time ago.

And I wish I had dated some of these because it would have been interesting to see how long ago this was but Texmar's demonstrates yet once against once it once again that facts and logic mean nothing what a conspiracy is at stake and I talked about how I had attempted to communicate with him regarding the Issue of Gail Rippling er and some of her obvious errors and I said that I had I said I discovered just how conspiratorially driven mr. Mars is last year when I sent many pages of documentation regarding the errors and Gail Rippling er's book New Age Bible versions to mr. Mars I received a scribbled scribbled note in return that began don't write me again in less than sincere repentance.

You are a devil plain plus simple, and I understand well why mrs. Rippling er does not respond your ridiculous assertions. Why dignify the lying claims of a servant of Satan? So when I Responded to his note it was returned to me with the following words written across it in red magic marker magic marker is always a Good thing to get you know if you want to get your points across Mr.. Mars does not want your evil trash don't write again except in repentance and The envelope in which it was sent had revelation 1 -1 written on the front.

Mars had said in his first letter that I am a sinner in need of redemption so arrogant and an uninformed. You do not even know the new versions take out the alpha and omega the very name of your fake ministry in One passage of Revelation in my response.

I addressed Revelation 1 11 and Demonstrated why the modern versions read as they do. It seems mr. Mars was not interested in looking into the topic as he put the wrong citation on the envelope of his second letter.

That is he said Revelation 1 1. Then it said a few weeks later, so this was 1994 because I know that the kixl Radio program in Austin was in 1994. It was the same time. We recorded that video that I linked to Where I joined Larry Wessels in discussing not nuclear vessels.

Larry Wessels in discussing the deity of Christ, and I was very skinny and had big glasses and yes, it was 1994 and. So a few weeks later this says mr. Mars called into the program and in haranguing me he raised the topic of Revelation passage again miss citing is Revelation 1 1 when I Managed to get a word in edgewise.

They point out He wasn't even accurate in his reference that he is referring to Revelation 1 11 not Revelation 1 1 and what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna play for you the text Mars phone call and You all this is what I'm gonna be putting all this in the video.

So if you want to see all this in one place, I'm gonna put it all in there, but it's fascinating to listen to this.

And.

Right before would be good if I plug the computer in. There we go. I normally plug that in beforehand, but hey we are professionals here, so you all can handle it. So actually we have a whole lot better setup than most of the radio stations.

Much more modern equipment than most radio stations. We've been at sadly says something about Christian radio, but anyhow I You're all gonna hear this with more clarity than anyone has heard it since the night it aired on k-iXl.

Why is that because? Just sitting here before the program. I was queuing this up, and I the sound quality has never been good. It was you know cassette tape tape there at the studio. But for some odd reason they could not tape from their direct signal out of their transmitter.

They had a radio sitting there, and they're recording off the air again another excellent example of the level of technical sophistication of a lot of Christian radio stations and so it's always sounded really muffled and stuff so I was playing around with Adobe edition and I tried one filter another filter one filter made just the exact opposite couldn't understand anything and so I did a Equalization thing and I just played it myself.

I said well This is where the human voice normally is and this is where the muffle stuff is and I I ran it and oh my goodness. This is the best it has ever sounded it may sound better. I'm not sure but digital stuff has come a long way since 1994 for sure so.

Anyway here is here is the phone call where text Mars. I was on the air debating Da wait in fact what we might need to do we make this debate available and I had to keep the settings that I found here and Go find that file and run the same settings on it, and it should clean it up.

Just as much as this one. And maybe folks will enjoy that even more, but this is the text Mars phone call. It looks like it's just over eight minutes on the screen here, though I doubt that I will survive that long without stopping and saying something but 1994 blast in the past almost 14 years ago now.

Here's text Mars calling KXL in in Austin.

Text me there. I am Dale, and it's been good to hear your voice on the radio. Thank you. You know I enjoy seeing your a television program as well and and Wanda sends her best also, okay, that's right.

Text Mars used to go to our church, and what church you going to now. Text well.

We have our own group now as you know we live way on the other side of town. But I still have great love for Christ Memorial Charles Bullock of the pastor there. He's doing great things and. Well, I just want y 'all to continue in your great success.

Okay, and your comments to to the debate here. Yes, they'll. I just want to compliment Dr.. Wait on defending God's Word the King James Bible. I did. Maybe he could let people know how to get his book because I have a copy of it.

And it's tremendous, but my specific question. And one of the things that I'm heartbroken about the new versions and what they've done to pervert God's Word.

To.

Three things Specific maybe dr. Waite could comment on. Is it true dr. Waite that the new versions have Totally eliminated the statements by Jesus for example get thee behind me Satan. Another one when Jesus told to take up the cross and follow me.

Evidently those are missing from the new versions and also. What about the Lord's Prayer? I recently read the NIV the NAS the the two versions of the Lord's Prayer. I found out that they were Horribly gutted and entire lines were totally missing in the new version and maybe you could comment on that.

Okay, be glad to comment and of course mr. White would want to comment equally the statement of Brother Mars as far as the take up that cross and follow me. It is eliminated in one of the Gospels in the Westcott and Hort type text, and that's a lot of text.

Be an olive text it is however found in some of the others not the Gospels. But at least in that area that one portion it is taken away as far as the Lord's Prayer thy kingdom come I will be done. There's certain parts of it that are admitted.

And there's no question about that either and as far as the other one get thee behind me Satan That is left out also in that portion of the of the gospel there and certainly we feel that The King James Bible is superior in the keeping of these areas and these portions that Are in line with the truth and in line with doctrine and the line with correctness in all ways.

Now let me just stop that just for a minute moment and point out you're hearing two different Flavors shall I say of King James only isn't and if you've watched the Ankerberg series you saw the conflict that exists between these two.

Da wait was invited to be on the Ankerberg show he he declined as was Gail Ripplinger and Peter Ruckman both of which also declined. Dr. Thomas Strauss was on the program, and he sort of reflected da weights perspective, and then you had Chambers representing Ripplinger and and GIP representing Ruckman and You could you could sense you could see Strauss just Cringing at times because da wait does tends to be less radical.

He's still quite radical, but less radical than the text Mars branch the Gail Ripplinger branch of King James only ism and so you'll notice that weight was considerably more restrained in pointing out that well yeah, those things are taken out in some places, but they are present in others and What of course?

Mars is referring to our places where later scribes attempted to harmonize the synoptic Gospels and make Mark sound just like Matthew or Matthew sound just like Mark or something like that and and That's what he's referring to but what they like to do is instead of being scholarly and accurate and saying well This has been added in one and the new translations.

Don't have it in Matthew, but they still have it in Mark. They just prefer the it's been taken out. It's been taken out. You know it's it's the wild-eyed fanatic type perspective of things and Weight tries to avoid most of that.

I mean he certainly has made some some incredible errors and Of course we've invited him to debate over and over and over again, and you won't even return her emails. But at least he he was a little more balanced shall we say?

Then text Mars, but then I got the opportunity of trying to get an er a word in edgewise I.

Would like to comment on each of those in regards to get thee behind me Satan that is found of course in Matthew chapter 16 verse 23 in the New International Version. This Mars when you were on KXCG last week commenting on the Lord's Prayer You were referring only to the gospel of Luke many of the things that you said were deleted are actually in the gospel of Matthew.

And we're not actually taken out take up the cross that occurs Four times. The King James Version occurs three times in the modern text the only place where it's removed is Mark 10 21. Because it's not in many of the early manuscripts and interestingly enough It is not in the parallel passages where Matthew and Luke record the same instance as Mark 10 21 specifically Matthew 19 21 Luke 18 22.

So there is very good reason why it is not found in many of the modern translations. I would like to ask mr. Mars. In a second Timothy 224 through 26 is is indeed found in your Bible where it talks about how we're to address these particular issues of how we're to Refute those who contradict us.

The scriptures says in the Lord's bond servant must not be quarrelsome. But be kind to all able to teach patient when wronged with gentleness correcting those for an opposition if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth and They may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil having been held captive by him to do his will.

When I sent you information on the errors in Gail's Ripley and Gail Riplinger's book. He wrote me a letter back that began don't write me again unless in sincere repentance. You are a devil plain and simple and I understand well.

Why mrs. Riplinger does not respond to your ridiculous assertions? Why dignify the lying claims of a servant of Satan? Would you maybe explain why you identify someone as a devil and a servant of Satan in light of second Timothy chapter 2 verses 24 26.

Well.

Now, you know, I if I recall correctly There is no way that I could have been prepared just had pre-prepared material. Specifically for text Mars. I must have during the let's see. It looks like two minutes and 50 seconds approximately that he was speaking.

I must have been rather quietly Pulling stuff out of my briefcase or something. I don't know but obviously I had a bunch of material they're ready for for a discussion and I had forgotten that he had.

I had listened to him on kxeg. I wonder whose program he was. I bet he was on Judy's program. Yeah, I bet he was on Judy's program. If you listened to the Ripplinger encounter, I bet you that because she was on a different station Shaughnessy was uncared.

Yes. She was on kxeg. Yeah, she is you recall after that episode. Yeah, she did a Series on you. Oh, yeah called the public spanking of James. What? Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's that's What these folks are like.

They won't debate you for for love their money, but they'll they'll. They'll go after you. So let's see how text Mars responded to.

To that that challenge because James you are attacking the Word of God. Also because what you have done For example is name your ministry Alpha and Omega. And yet in Revelation 1 1 some of the new versions.

Take out the words Alpha and Omega and now let me let me stop you right there.

Just just for a second because this is wonderful to be able to do this digitally. We couldn't do this back then but but we can do it now. Let's listen to exactly what text Mars said again and let's listen very carefully.

What reference does text Mars give ministry Alpha and Omega and yet in Revelation 1 1? Some of the new versions. Take out the words Alpha and Omega. And now if you'll go to my website.

And of course that's gonna be the joy of video is I will put this scan Right there on the page right so you can see it. He just said Revelation 1 1 and That's what he wrote on The envelope. In fact I had that letter with me that night in the studio in KXL.

Revelation 1 1 does not contain a textual variant relevant to Alpha and Omega. Revelation 1 11 does. And I had written to him and I had told him that and I had explained the variant to him had sent him the information.

Obviously text Mars wouldn't know how to understand the information I had sent to him. He's never studied textual criticism and does not have the slightest interest in doing so. So but notice it says he said right there.

What did he say? Revelation 1 1.

So we continue with what he says. Take out the words Alpha and Omega and yet you have the audacity To give your ministry that name. And by the way.

Well, I just wanted to correct what you would. Just answer the question my friend. I just wanted to correct what you had just said. You're confusing people.

It's not revelation text. It's not like to answer your question. James go ahead. He just won't stop talking. Or you're being a researcher.

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Received your treatise about Gail Rippling her book and I noticed you misspelled her name throughout it. You can't spell her name, right? And all you had to do was call her up or call me or call any one of a thousand bookstores that have her name.

Now, let me just stop right there. This is another utter act of desperation the part of King James only us back in the 90s if you picked up an early edition of New Age Bible versions you would discover that on the front cover it was written by G a rippling er and Nowhere in that book.

Are you told that what GA stands for? In fact nowhere in that book. Are you told that GA is a woman? It was clearly meant to hide both her gender As well as her actual first name. Because I haven't met too many guys named Gail I've there are a few but not too many.

So I heard I forget how but I believe it was on a radio station I heard her name was Gail rippling her now. There are multiple ways to spell Gail G a y le G a il I Chose the same spelling that I was familiar with due to a relative of mine of G a y le initially.

After we started putting out New Age Bible versions refuted. It was pointed out to me that she spells at G a il so I changed it. That's what he's talking about nowhere in her book. Does she ever actually provide it?

But that's the level of argumentation have to come up with well. You misspelled it even though she didn't put in her book and tried to hide it, but you misspelled it. It's not G a y le. It's G. I. L. See you're a terrible researcher.

Wow there's there's there's the level of of.

Intellectual acumen being being put forth. If we can't trust the fact that you can't even spell an author's name, right? How can we trust any other? Supposed scholar limit. By the way I read your 40-page sniffle, but it was it was full of errors.

And I really think that you need to get down and read some books. Dr. Waits book.

Dr. Hansen Fuller Fuller's book.

Riblinger's book. Excellent books, and they're much needed by Christians today. Well text might apply a few things. First of all.

It's not Revelation 1 1 it's Revelation 1 11 that you're attempting to refer to there. And I provided you a full response to that in the letter sir sir now. I'm sir. I'm gonna answer your question text I'm gonna answer your question now Revelation 1 11 not Revelation 1 1.

And I explained that.

Excuse me now catch that you could barely hear it, but I'll play it for you again. Listen very carefully to what he is saying because obviously he wasn't gonna Let me get a word in edgewise. He was not going to.

He's not gonna respond. He's just gonna you know. Just try to bulldoze his way through here, but listen to what he says.

Sir sir now. I'm sir. I'm gonna answer your question text. I'm gonna answer your question now Revelation 1 11 not Revelation 1 1 and I explained that Excuse me. It's Revelation 1 11.

That's why I said Revelation 1 1 1. Revelation 1 11 I mean that is the most bold-faced lie. I have ever heard here calling in a radio station. Where they're recording this yeah? And he knows that he sent me a Nasty letter he has written on the front Revelation 1 1.

He knows he said Revelation 1 1 only a few minutes earlier, and then when I pointed out to him. That's what I said Revelation 1 1 1. And he repeated twice that wasn't it that wasn't a misstatement on his part.

He's lying through his teeth Unrepentantly, I mean, it's just like wow Unbelievable, and I if you listen really really carefully. I don't know if you can really hear it. The people in the control studio see we were in a fairly as actually decent sized studio.

But then there's you know you've got the glass just sort of like we have here and riches on the other side of the glass. And you're not supposed to be able to hear what Rich is saying and someday when we finally finish Framing in the door here.

You won't hear what Rich is saying. And anything else going on there, but that probably will be somewhere around 2012, but anyway Theirs was was actually finished, and so you couldn't all I remember is hearing something.

So is that loud and I look back, and I see two feet in the air. Shaking in the control control studio the guy is literally laying on the floor. Laughing with his feet in the air it is so Ridiculous what Tex Meyers has just has just tried to pull off it was.

Absolutely hilarious it truly was. So we continue on one one, and I explained that. Excuse me. It's revelation. 111 Actually sir on the front of the last letter you sent me where you sent back my fax.

With red lighting on red. Excuse me.

I.

Excuse me. I'm part of in defense of faith and your text you would have to let James respond. Now you have to be quiet. They're going to turn you down.

First of all I sent a letter. I'm sorry this man knows. He's a liar. He knows he's dishonest. He knows he's making it up as he goes along. It's so obvious. Why. How has anyone ever given this man a scintilla of credibility.

I cannot believe it. To doctor to Tex Meyers?

Explaining responding to his letter to me. He sent my fax back with red ink across it saying he didn't want any more of my evil trash and interestingly enough He just tried to say he didn't say revelation 1 1.

The front of the envelope has revelation 1 1. Right here, I'll show it to you written on the front not 111. Secondly if I could finish responding to what he was saying. When he says I attack the Bible no, I do not.

I love God's Word. I preach God's Word. A couple of you Dale were were there today as I as I opened God's Word and and Spoke that word. I love God's Word. I do not attack it in any way shape or form. But I do attack those who would attempt to limit God's Word to a 17th century Anglican translation.

And that just simply is. Those the problems with what mr. Mars said and you'll notice he did not respond to my citation 2nd Timothy 2 24 through 26 to explain why he would identify someone as a Servant of Satan that is not how Christians are to discuss this issue.

I have respect for a person who can handle a discussion of this issue on a rational basis without resorting to names. But mr. Mars obviously is not one of those individuals who can resort deal with this issue.

What he said about get thee behind me take up the cross Lord's Prayer and each of those things there are there are you know? We could have a good discussion on those things, but he's an error about many of the things that he said.

And the only thing I did not address at that point was the silliness of the assertion about Gale How to spell Gale G a while e or G a I oh. So there you go. I I will never ever forget one one.

And I explained that excuse me. It's revelation 111.

Wow.

If you ever ever thought there is any reason to believe anything. Text. Mars had to say now you have very very good reason Not to do so. Eight seven seven seven five three three three four. One is the phone number.

We'll either come back with your phone calls or some. Jimmy Akin here on the dividing line. We'll be right back.

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I have no idea what's going on right now, but rich looks very suspicious, right?

Well before you go jumping into Jimmy Akin real quick, um, I did some work on an oldie but a goodie the other day and. The conference on Rome has just been uploaded to the bookstore.

It's been the first time it's been available in mp3. It's the first time it's been available on mp3.

It's not cheap compared to other mp3s. Well, how many sessions were there. 13 and a half hours?

Probably the reason one of the big things that I you know, 13 and a half hours from Catholic answers would cost you. Look out mortgage rates.

Anyway, there's a lot of really good stuff in the conference on Rome and one of those and we've gotten a couple of Circumstances in channel lately where some Roman Catholics are coming around and they're doing it.

Oh, there's 50 ,000 Protestant denominations and America alone, you know, and of course, that's just the West Coast. No. Yeah anyway, but.

I bet you Steve Ray doesn't do that anymore. At least I hope not. And after the spanking he got.

Who knows but it's part of that. Not only did he does he did Eric Svensson do some stuff on his website? But part of the conference on Rome, I think that's where he kind of really was the first time he really publicly articulated How to break that down and where the problems are in that and so I just wanted to kind of point out that the conference on room number 489 mp3 is now available through the shopping cart or 89 good quality sound to it and It's been optimized for iPod, so I'm gonna iPod you want the sessions broken down all the data is in there and.

The tracks are broken down and sounds like a plan. All right, excellent. There's a free advertisement right there. Who do we charge for that? You okay, we'll charge you and that's that's what the conference on Rome.

We for we were trying to figure out what year that was. We could not remember somewhere between 2001 2004 I settled with 2003. Okay, that's a good guess. May be completely wrong, but it's a good guess.

So yeah the conference on Rome. That was myself Eric Svensson David King Rob Zentz, those are the four of us, right? So we did a number of days and 13 and a half hours. That's a lot of a lot of time so available mp3 in the bookstore and before we go to Jimmy Akin who may have gotten mentioned once twice there don't know.

Let's talk with Marcus. Hi Marcus. How you doing? Hello. Yes, sir. Hi. How are you doing good?

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