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Hey Jason. How's it going Greg? Pretty good buddy. That's great.

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Yeah. Oh man. How is your week going? Life? Week? Oh my week's going good.

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My life's going good. You know. It's awesome. Praise God. Wake up every morning just uh. You're really. You get out of that bed and sell houses.

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That's right. You put your pants on one leg at a time and you get out there and you look at a house and you say

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I'm gonna sell that. Most realtors do but the difference is afterwards I make gold records baby.

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That's what I'm talking about. What does that even mean? We need some more cowbell in here.

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That's what we need. Oh reference to an old SNL skit. I love that. So uh yeah what's up with you man?

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Enjoying this Michigan winter? Oh heck yeah dude. I uh no I was I was listening to Johnny Cash earlier.

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I don't know if you've listened to his uh his gospel album or not.

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It is actually I mean it's so good. It just reminds me of my my grandpa um on actually both sides.

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I mean they they were they were both into country gospel and bluegrass and whatnot and uh but yeah man

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I mean the the tune that really stuck out and I actually sent it to a friend on Facebook. Eric Volkman.

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Gotcha. What's up Eric? Yeah um uh it was I shall not be

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I shall not be moved. I shall not be

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I shall not be moved. Just like the spring. Or wait tree? Tree.

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That's planted by the water. I shall not be moved.

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Thank you thank you. Yeah there we go. Deadman Records coming to you next week. Yes it will be. But no man.

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That's a classic. Dude that that song that album I mean it's it's just so good. It just reminds me you know of the fundamental

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Baptist church that I went to when I was growing up. Look you can say what you want about some of those fundamental churches but some of those uh those gospel songs and the hymns are very powerful.

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Dude. So good. I was just talking actually with my mother about this. We went up about two hours north to an extended family late

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Christmas kind of thing last Sunday and she rode with us and she was like I was just thinking remember all those songs that we sing back in the 80s and how just most of them were just scripture verses?

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Yeah right. Yeah that's what singing psalms are. Yeah right yeah man she would love singing psalms.

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It was just like yeah even though but even the contemporary music it seemed like it was more scripturally based.

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Right yeah yeah I mean lyrically. Instead of like. The theology. Yeah. Oh man it was just.

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Like even if you didn't really like the tune of the song you were still memorizing scripture.

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Right exactly yeah man. And but yeah that's a broken record we talk about that. Oh yeah for sure.

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Guys this isn't an episode on. Right right. We're not about to talk about. Worship music for the 15th time in two years. That's all right man we

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Hey music is in our bones. Yeah that's true. Yeah man. Yeah but this episode is our second annual.

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Is it second annual? Yeah. Yeah second annual. Yeah. Year -end review. Yeah. Where we basically go through it's been another year we're now entering into season three of Dead Men Walking Podcast and we appreciate everyone who listens.

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As always you can find us on dmwpodcast .com that's where you can see our merch and you can see a little review about us leave us a review leave us a voicemail.

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Yeah. Check out kind of the bio of Jason and I you can send friends there so they can check it out obviously you can hear every episode.

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Get some merch. Yeah get some merch support the show we've got some pretty good stuff up there. But Facebook YouTube Instagram all dead men walking podcast if you

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Google that. Had that podcast yeah. Yeah. We do now have Facebook podcast as well too.

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So Facebook has a whole podcast section and we were selected as one of the pages to premiere that a few months ago now everyone has access to that.

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So you can listen to our podcast on Facebook too if you want to. I don't know why you would but if you want to it's there. Yeah right.

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But it's the end of the year. It's all over. We're like we're like all over the internet and I didn't even know.

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Neither did I. I know right. Yeah. But how was your 2021 is done with 2021 man.

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If you think of the podcast boy. OK. So I feel like this is like we're repeating last year but at the end of 2020 you're like oh my gosh

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I can't believe some of the people we know. I'm going to say the same thing this year. Yeah it's the same. The guests kept going.

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The Lord's graciousness to have people be gracious with their time. Come on and talk with us.

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And I didn't know so many people knew about technology. You know they're like oh you just want to do a zoom.

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And then Dale Partridge man he was like so I got this kind of camera. I got this kind of Mike. I got that you know

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I was just like I'll let Greg take care of that. I'm not really the techie guy. It is funny when you get a hold of the guests that also podcast or video podcast because they are a little more techie.

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Right. Right. You have to be. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Dale's podcast is just crushing. Oh man it's awesome man.

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Yeah. The name of it's escaping me at this moment. Real Christian. Real Christianity. Thank you. All right. I think so.

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No I think it is. If it Google Dale Partridge Dale Partridge he's going to have a clip on one of the best. So what we do is what we did last year what we did this year is

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Jason and I go through and we just look at all the audio over the twenty twenty one year and we pick out a few clips that really stuck out to us and ones that we like and then we play them for you and we're gonna play them live right in here with us sitting in studio so we can react to them afterwards maybe talk about them a little bit.

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But that's what our year end review podcast is. And it's usually one of our more popular podcasts just because you get a mashup of tonight you're gonna get a mashup of six different guests that we had.

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Greatest hits. You know one to three minute clips. Yeah. Nothing too long. But at the same time long enough for some substance.

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But I cannot believe twenty twenty one's over. It still feels like twenty twenty to me. So wild man. How was your twenty twenty one overall.

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Oh it's been great. I mean I started a business and you know which which is you know it's one of those highs and lows and everything in between.

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But you know you make it through the year and you look back and just like wow look at everything I've learned. You know

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I mean it's I mean you know my my stock trading has went from the elementary level all the way up to I don't know man.

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I'm probably I'm probably in college right now. Maybe masters get my master's degree.

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But no I'm joking. But yeah man I mean just the things that things that I learned through the year. And also

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Mandy is pregnant. Wait a minute.

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Yeah. You're going to bust that information out today. I'm just going to throw it in there. You're in review.

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So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Wow. So number three on the way three on the way.

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We are post mill. So keep it going. Nine or 10.

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Yeah man. Exactly. We're reformed. So we have to write post. He's building the kingdom. And then.

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Yeah. But yeah man I mean it just twenty twenty one has been awesome. Yeah it's been great.

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So that family is awesome. Kids are growing well. We're in the word and yeah it's just great.

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Good. How about how about you man. How's twenty twenty one. Same way. Yeah. Big stuff happening. The Lord always takes care of us.

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We really like over the year as you know just doing the podcast we got into camping and spent a lot of more time outdoors together as a family which was awesome.

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In December just switched over to my own real estate brokerage instead of an associate broker license in Ohio going to be licensed in Kentucky.

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A lot of stuff going on in the business realm. Yeah. A lot of stuff going on with the family. And then

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I know twenty twenty one for us was a year of planning for the podcast where we've got big stuff. Yeah. For you guys with events that we're going to be doing advertising some other stuff.

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So we'll keep you guys does it at least. All right. Lately I don't know why

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I'm doing it so much now. It's OK. I'm putting my hand up. But yeah a lot of stuff big coming for the podcast too which you know

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I appreciate you Jason for sticking through this and having the ideas and getting the guests and all the stuff you do as well.

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We do this together my friend. Absolutely. So with that let's jump into it. We have six clips here.

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This is your end review. This is everyone that came on that. Not everyone but the ones that we chose through twenty twenty one.

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So this was really hard by the way. I just picked three. Yeah. Well I told you to pick three to pick three like we usually do.

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You sent me four. I know your four was so good I was like well guess I'm only picking two. Which is fine because your four were all fire.

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And I agreed with them and I was like yep there were so many good. But we could do two hours if we wanted to. Right right.

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This too manageable. Yeah. Thirty thirty five minutes like most four episodes. So you want to jump into it. So this one I'll preference the first one.

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It is Tom Askell which I really should have wrote down when you can go find these.

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I think this was in October sometime. I should have wrote down when if you want to listen to the full episode. But I think it was back in October of twenty twenty one.

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Tom Askell came on. He's also the reason there's a clip in that episode where he kind of laughs and kind of cocks his head to the side about our newsy news.

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Our newsy news we loved it. And that's why if you guys have listened past October I will say a Tom Askell approved newsy news because he was like oh that's interesting guys can

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I can I comment on that intro. And he was laughing that we enjoyed it. And afterwards he said you know you guys are great guys.

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You have fun. We enjoyed it. So that's why I was kind of like you know Tom Askell approved. But that's not the clip we're going to show you.

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This one we were talking about submission submit female preachers.

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Yeah. That kind of thing in this clip in this clip was kind of covering like submit. Right. Yes. And submission.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just very important. Yeah. And I think that sometimes it gets misconstrued.

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I think sometimes even husbands misuse that. June 30th actually. Sorry. Oh my gosh.

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Yeah. October. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. So yeah. If you like this clip you can listen to the whole episode on June 30th that came out.

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Obviously you can find that at DMW podcast dot com. Here we go. Tom more fundamental than the issue that is being debated.

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It goes back to Genesis 1 1. This is God's world and he gets to set the rules.

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Yeah. And people don't like his rules. I mean that's just the basic reality of the day is we live in this egalitarian age where everybody gets a trophy and nobody's supposed to be better than somebody else.

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We're supposed to be tearing down all hierarchies and anyone that advanced above others is an oppressor.

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I mean this is the world view of the day that has come in like a flood. And even within the church we have seen this happen.

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And so people get offended by the verses like the one you read in 1st Timothy 2 12. I do not permit a woman to exercise authority over man or to teach.

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Yeah. Well what the way that that verse has been mangled in many church circles today it winds up saying

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I do permit a woman to teach. And that was just for that time is what

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I'll tell you. Yeah that's right. For that time. Well he appeals to creation in the very next verse you know because he was the one who was deceived.

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So you go back to creation. What do you find in Genesis 1 and 2. Well God created Adam first.

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God gave Adam the responsibility initially in the garden. I mean he wasn't there when

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Adam started exercising the cultural mandate. And you look at the things that Adam was responsible to do.

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Well he was naming all of the animals. What is that. Well that's an exercise of authority when God creates from Adam Eve and gives her to Adam.

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What does he do. He calls her Eve. He names her. I mean he's the one who does. And even after the fall in Genesis 3 he calls her

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Eve. He gives her her name the mother of all living. So this is this is an issue of authority.

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Authority is not bad. Authority can be abused. But all of life is under the ultimate authority of Jesus Christ.

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And what we're facing today in these specific issues like women pastors or whatever else women want to do or other people think they ought to be allowed to do is really a rebellion against Genesis 1.

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This is God's world. And what we've got to do as Christians is come to terms with what the

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Bible says refuse to compromise it be as careful and clear as we can be as loving as we can be and not flinch.

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And saying just what you said. Are you mean to tell me that women need to be submissive or wife needs to be submissive to her husband.

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Yeah. Absolutely. That's what I'm telling you. That's the way God runs the world. Yeah. Oh man that's so good.

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I mean it was it was a little bit longer but man he just said so many great things in that. And you know something that he had so many little one liners in there.

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I don't know if you heard him say if you're knowledgeable you're an oppressor. Yeah. Isn't that so true.

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I mean if you know stuff you know all of a sudden you know like you're you're you're in the wrong for knowing anything.

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But you have rational thought you're a white supremacist. Yeah exactly. No knowledge is oppressing. Yeah. But but the word submit what we're talking about before we started

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I mean that word submit gets so misconstrued. I mean people take that and run with it and they're just like wow you're you know you're an oppressor.

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Yeah. Because you show that show that you know you you say that word and you say that your wife should submit.

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And it's like well that's not at all what that word should sound like to you.

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You know like that's not at all the way that I'm trying to use that word whatsoever.

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But yeah we talked about a lot of my one of my favorite parts that just in the beginning he goes look at the problem is it's

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God's world. He makes the rules. Right. And you don't get to say how God's world works. I mean he created it.

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Yeah. And I just you know that attitude sometimes isn't very conducive for a gentle kind of rebuke or argument or debate.

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But it does get down to the point for those of us talking and understanding the

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Bible and know who God is. Yeah that's a very direct way. Look at at the end of the day God's the creator.

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He created his universe and you don't get to tell him how he runs it. Exactly. You get to submit. Exactly. And obey.

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Yeah exactly. And yeah Tom. Even men. Men. Submit to God. That's the scary part.

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Yeah. Women just have to submit to their husbands. Husbands have to submit to God. And let me tell you something God's wrath is a whole lot worse than any wrath that a husband could come up with when it comes to disobedience and unrighteousness.

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So cool. All right. So Tom we should have him back next year.

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Oh absolutely. We should. I'd love to have Tom back. I know we said that about some of our other guests and I think we did have him back in 2021 from 2020.

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But yeah just just a great man. As long as we play the Newsy News. As long as we play

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Newsy News. Cool. All right. Second clip is one that I pulled. This was back in May. Probably the end of May because it came out in the very beginning of June.

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It was with Steve Dace. Yes. Because I called him Steve Dease. Dease. The whole show.

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The whole show. Wrong name. And Jason was like the minute we stopped recording he's like yeah that's not his name.

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I was like what? Well I was even like Greg had like confused me.

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I was like is his name Dease? I was saying it with such confidence. I know I know. You were like doubting yourself.

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The guy who never forgets a name. Oh but he came on.

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He's on Blaze TV on Glenn Beck's network. We're going to have him back on here in the next few months so look out for that.

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We're going to do a political midterm episode which is going to be absolutely awesome because if you ever watched his show he is just on fire.

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He called out so much stuff early in 2020 and 2021 about COVID and masking and Fauci and the double standard and the science wasn't there and everything he said is now coming true.

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Right right. And everything that they want the data they want to see the data.

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Well he gives the data. Right. And you know like he just. And then people still don't like it. Picks him apart. Yeah exactly. But this clip is about you know he's just making a point about polarized versus balkanized.

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The country being polarized versus balkanized. I thought he gave a good definition about that. This one's a little more political but still very good.

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So let's listen to Steve. Here we go. It's not a country that is polarized. It's a country that is balkanized and that's that's next level.

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So unpack that a little bit for us. Polarized means that there are places of widely variant opinion within a matrix.

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A balkanization means there are irreconcilable opinions operating within a matrix.

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Okay. And that you've given up on reconciling them because you recognize these aren't reconcilable. Okay. Right.

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I can't reconcile with there's no male or female. I can't I can't reconcile with the earth blows up in 10 years.

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You know I can't. These are things that just I can't find a way to accommodate you. And you're obviously not finding a way to accommodate me.

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And so you're living in like a you go America is what you're living through. And it's in there's two distinct countries.

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There's the left America and then there's what's left of America. And in that left America you have essentially that's where the spirit of the age operates.

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And that is an attempt to create a completely compliant nonconformist absent of critical thinking citizenry.

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And within the other what's left of America you've got a motley crew of beliefs. You've got people like we're at an event like this.

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Sure. You've got probably atheist Bill Maher from real time HBO. Yeah. You've got Naomi Wolf the feminist attorney or the feminist authors.

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My new buddy. All right. And she's like tweeting me out and sharing her with sharing me with her audiences.

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And I think it's because the previous era of culture war in America guys was about how far am

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I allowed to take my own conscience. So I believe I'm same sex attracted for example. I'm wrestling with this though because my conscience that God gave me says this is wrong.

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But I don't want to wrestle with my conscience anymore. I want my desires to inform my conscience. Now my conscience to inform my desires.

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Christians come along and say that's actually not the way this whole thing works or that God gave you your conscience to inform your desires.

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Not the other way around. Thus we have a conflict. OK. Right. And so you know the three of us sitting here at this table would debate the

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Andrew Sullivan that probably America's first respected gay intellectual. We would debate him vehemently for 20 years on homosexuality on the grounds that you are determining your conscience by your desires not your desires by your conscience.

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Sure. Right. Here's what's happening though. Go read Andrew Sullivan's Twitter feed now. OK. And I would tell you anywhere from up to 50 percent of it in a given day.

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We could write a lot of that. If I went to my audience and told them these are my tweets not Andrew Sullivan's half the time they would believe me.

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Why. Because our debate with the Andrew Sullivan's of the world was about the extent we are permitted as human beings under a sovereign

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God to go with the freedom of our conscience. The new debate now is do I have the freedom to form my own conscience at all.

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Wow. Yeah. A lot of stuff packed in there. Yeah man. But that was a really great episode.

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Yeah it was. It was. It's funny when you go back and listen to these you go man did we get a lot of stuff. Yeah. 20 minutes with Steve.

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Right. Right. And just even talking about the difference between your conscience determining your morality essentially versus you know the moral standard of God determining.

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Yeah. Your conscience. Yeah. And then how far the left has gotten right to where now you've got atheists

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Bill Maher like he said which even if you watch Bill Maher recently he is getting much more kind of center and he's against this woke culture.

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Right. Yeah. He's like yeah you don't get to tell little white kids that they're evil from birth. Right. Exactly. You know. So the left has moved so far that now as Christians and we were at the fight left feast we recorded that fight left feast in May in South Dakota.

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Now you've got this weird thing where you've got like reformed rowdy Christians. Yeah. Agreeing with like Bill Maher and some third way feminists.

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Some issues. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Which is fine. We can agree on some of the racial issues.

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Exactly. We have to stand firm in Christ and I doubt they would agree. Yeah. Yeah for sure. And I mean it goes back to Colin good bad and bad good.

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Yeah. There's there's some things that you know it's like you just said we're going to have obvious differences. But yeah

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I was I was looking for the the first and second Timothy escaping me at the moment.

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Which one's that. What is it reference. I'm having a a moment.

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I don't know if I have my my coven moment right now or or what. Well we used we used the cookie.

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You said it once. I've said it once. This is just going to get banned now. Right. You said the

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C word cookie. I know he had a code word. That's it.

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Yeah. That's OK. All right. Let's move on. Yeah. This next one you selected this clip and probably this was my favorite guest of 2021.

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I just love talking to this gentleman. I watch him. All of the stuff he's doing with Ezra Institute up in Canada.

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He seemed like such a humble gracious man pastor you know. But also the stuff he was talking about on the show.

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On that episode man about Peter standing up and saying there's no other name by which you can be saved.

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Yeah. Understanding that that was written on the coin and the currency that they used in Rome and that in that Caesar said on it.

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There's no other name that you can be saved but except by Caesar. And he's saying no. Peter standing up and he's coming against the government.

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Right. He's saying oh no there's a name that you're there's no other name you're saved by except through Christ Jesus. Not this

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Caesar guy. Yeah. Now that's not this clip. This clip is talking a little bit more about what was the word government word government was so good and like how we say the government.

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Right. Right. And yeah. And again he went through the family government the church government the civil government.

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You know there's so many different governments but it all is you know through Christ and.

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Cool. So this one's from Fight Left Feast as well. Back in June it aired and it's

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Pastor Joe Boot from the Ezra Institute. Here we go. Well even if you think about the way we use the term government today how modern

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Christians use the term government. We talk about the government. Yeah. Whereas actually biblically there are many forms of government.

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First of all there's the self -government of the Christian person. Then there is the government of the family. Then there is the government within the church.

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The church is a form of government. Then there we are governed by our vocations by the professional bodies we work for. Then there is civil government.

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Yeah. Which is the element of the state. And but modern in the way we tend to use language now it reflects the shift in our philosophy how our

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Westerners have become statist. We've returned to a pagan view of the state. Wow that's good. We see the government sovereign government.

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Yeah. Wow. Rather than Christ is the governor governor is he's king of kings lord of lords. He gives a delegated limited authority to the state.

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But he also gives delegated and limited authority to the family and to the church. So even this whole idea that you know the government.

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No that Christ is the government. Yeah. The government is upon his shoulders. Amen. Okay.

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And of the increase of his government. Right. And of his peace there shall be no end. Wow. These are all limited offices of civil government family church and so on that are meant to be under the lordship of Jesus Christ.

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That was that was the contribution from a political standpoint that shattered the pagan view of the totalitarian state.

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And as we shift back to a pagan view we're seeing that totalitarian idea where the state is involved in and governs and regulates and rules over every area of life.

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Wow. Yeah. So good. Such a great definition to how we just use words.

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Yeah. Oh the government the government it's like wait a minute. Christ talks about the government of the church the government of the family.

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Yeah. Civil government. Yeah. Like there's so many different levels of that and it's like first of all they all submit to Christ.

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Right. And you know the Bible makes it very clear that some of those are much more important. Right. And one government does not get to intrude on another government for instance.

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The civil government does not get to intrude on the family government or the church government.

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Well that's kind. Yeah that's kind of what they're trying to do right now though. Absolutely. Well they are.

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Yeah. When you think about that's what John MacArthur stood up against. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You don't get to. Exactly. Civil government you don't get to tell the church government what to do.

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Right. Yeah. Amen. We're we you know. Yeah. We're responsible to Christ and Christ alone.

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Right. But yeah go check out Joe Boots stuff too man I can't promote him enough. He's been all he's been

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I know he's so much good stuff. Ezra Institute podcast has really been picking up steam. He's always got great content.

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And that's another one that I'd like to have some back on at some point. That'd be awesome. Because remember he took us off to the side tune he was like guys if America falls he goes the rest of the

25:52

West falls. Right. Like Canada is already gone. Yeah. Yeah. It's like we've already. And he starts like telling us like this is you know this is early 2021.

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So COVID was still. Well I actually had later finding out. Yeah. Yeah.

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I had to cook cookies that. Oh I just. Oh no. I get one.

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You're going to. No you just had to. Oh no. You've said it twice. Shadowband the whole. We're going to have to go back through this and cut this up.

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Oh you had it. Remember when. Yeah. You were like. You're like I don't feel that good. Yeah. And then you had it.

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Yeah man. That's right when I got it. Yeah. Oops. Sorry about that fight left face. We were a super spreader.

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Yeah. I did not know though. But you know. No. We did. Yeah. So anyway.

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So here we go. Who's on. Who's on deck next. Yeah. Andrew Sandlin. Andrew Sandlin. This was one that you. One of my babies.

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Yeah. Give us a little bit about what he's talking about here. Remember like what was the. Give us the overview. Andrew Sandlin.

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We had a great discussion about his. Because his whole episode.

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His whole. I mean yeah we went we went through so much stuff with him. OK. But when we were talking to him in this clip he was just talking about sin and how you know

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Christians have tended to get into this phase right now where you know. Oh don't don't worry about it.

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He said he says a lot. He says this a lot better. But you know it's like it's like we are called to holiness.

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You know we are called to holiness. We are called to a certain way that we're supposed to live.

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And we are we are found righteous through Christ. You know obviously. But to live righteously as righteously as possible.

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You know through through Christ and his his his power of course.

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Cool. But but yeah man I mean he just he just talks about so much stuff and it's so awesome. I mean what what

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Andrew says here. All right. Let's listen to the very interesting Andrew Sandlin. That leads us into the topic.

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Dr. Sandlin, I reached out to you after I read this post that you put up on Facebook and the post was here.

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I'll just go ahead and read right here. One of the great satanic lies is that the sinful world is normal and that Christians must retreat into their churches and families to encounter the abnormal but spiritual godly world.

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God's good world alone is normal. And the goal of Christians everywhere must be to deprivilege destabilize and decimate the false delusional world of sin and replace it with the real world.

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And I thought that was really interesting Dr. Sandlin. I don't know if you want to expound on that a little bit and just share with our listeners your thoughts.

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Yes. Thank you my friend. I am I guess presupposing that post is what

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I believe the Bible teaches as its foundational storyline which is creation fall redemption.

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God created the world very good and man fell into sin. But God of course promised a savior. Genesis 3 15.

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We know it's Jesus Christ to crush the work of Satan. As we look around in the world and we see what's going on.

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You just mentioned specifically what's going on in Congress with the getting rid of pronouns or rather a father mother and so on.

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This really is an attack and a rebellion on Jesus Christ and on the created order.

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The calling of Christians is actually to resist evil in an appropriate way of course wherever it is.

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Now it's possible to retreat into the church and to say that our only calling is to make sure the church is pure.

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We preach the gospel and we try to help with individual Christian sanctification.

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But as a matter of fact the Bible teaches that Jesus Christ came to establish his kingdom and his kingdom his rule in the earth.

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That rule isn't postponed until the second coming though it won't come then of course. Only then will it come in all of its fullness of the consummation.

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But rather he said that his kingdom was already present in the world. Our calling as Christians is to influence the world through the preaching of the gospel and in accordance with God's holy law revealed in his word to influence the world for the truth of Jesus Christ and for biblical truth and for God's authoritative moral standards.

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That is not somehow in addition to the Great Commission but it's included in it.

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The Great Commission is the good news, the gospel of Jesus Christ. But the gospel according to Matthew 28 and the

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Good Commission is bringing all things all nations in subordination to Jesus Christ. So therefore as I think

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I said toward the end of that Facebook post, our calling is to deprivilege and defeat and to destabilize evil to the extent that we can everywhere that we see it.

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That's not a prominent Christian calling. It was much more prominent in the United States and in Europe 200 to 500 years ago with our forefathers.

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It's not so prominent today. But I think things that are happening today, even things we've seen this last week, should cause

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Christians to reconsider their view of Christian responsibility in the world. That's so good.

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Yeah, it was like, and we have a short coming out about this too. He's like, yeah, Christians are supposed to be victorious.

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We're supposed to influence the culture. We're supposed to preach the gospel. He's very post -mill. Yeah, exactly, man.

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And I don't try to joke around about eschatology as much as I do, but I do like the post -mill stance, man, for sure, because it's full of hope.

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It's victorious. And he said at the beginning of that, what, we're just supposed to hide in our churches, hide in our homes, and not say anything to anyone about Christ because people might get mad.

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Oh, geez. Or to live a life that reflects

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Christ, like teach our kids about Christ, and we're supposed to feel bad about that?

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Why would I need to feel bad about teaching my kids about the gospel, the good news?

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That was a good clip that you found, because that one wasn't on my radar.

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And then when I was editing it down, I was like, oh, man, that was good. I forgot how good his episode. That was

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January, I'm pretty sure. That was like very beginning of 2021.

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And when you guys get this podcast, if you're listening to the audio, I'll put the timestamps on where you can find the original episodes as well, too, if you want to go back and listen to them.

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All right, moving right along. We have two more. This is one I pulled. I really was impressed with Mr.

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Dale Partridge and his home church and kind of what he's doing, his podcast, his institute that he has.

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And we just wanted to ask him, hey, what do you think about running churches of business? I mean, most evangelical larger churches, especially the mega churches, as they're called, are absolutely ran as a business.

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You know, they have a kind of a CEO business flow to them. They, you know, the finances and everything are ran that way.

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And Dale's taking a different approach. He's doing the home church. Now, not a small group. He made that clear in the episode.

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And you can go back and listen to this. But this was talking about, hey, should we run churches as a business?

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Let's listen to what he said. I know my position on this. I want to hear Dale's position. And I'm sure you do too,

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Jason. Should we be running churches like businesses, Dale? I mean, what's going on here? Yeah. So this is,

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I don't know who said this quote, but it goes something along the lines of when the

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Greeks got the gospel, they turned it into a philosophy. When the Europeans got the gospel, they turned it into philosophy or government.

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When the Americans got the gospel, they turned it into a business. And that is becoming more and more prevalent today.

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I think we're actually at the peak of it. I think it's become so, everybody's so aware of it at this point because of kind of social awareness and social media exposing so much that I don't think it's going to grow much further.

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I think that the institutionalized church that isn't really part of the biblical church will continue to run down that road.

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But I think those who actually are born again believers, committed to the spirit, made a mistake, realized that they have basically adopted a model that's not just extra biblical, but unbiblical, and produces a result that isn't in alignment with scripture and produces a culture in the church that is antithetical to the one anothering and the closeness and to the intimacy.

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One thing I often say is that size is the enemy of intimacy.

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And so we have been obsessed with size. And that's the problem is that the churches today are 100 feet wide and one inch deep.

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And almost everybody that has left a church or left the church in terms of a local church and moving on to another one is because they didn't feel connected there.

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Wow, 100 foot wide and one inch deep. That's so good. Isn't that true though? Yeah, it really is.

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And I don't know if you agree with this or not, Greg, but sometimes I start to wonder if certain pastors,

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I'm not saying every pastor, certain pastors watch out with what they say, because they may lose the person that might be giving more than the person next to them.

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Oh, 100%. Do you think that kind of happens? 100%. Yeah, I didn't know if I was delusional.

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Because here's the thing, I mean, most pastors have to fight that fleshly idea. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've talked to so many shepherds and leaders and pastors, and they just go, look, you have to fight,

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I don't, you know, yeah, even a John MacArthur, you know, 60 years in ministry, he still has to fight the urge to say, do

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I tickle ears and say what's good for me and the church and the longevity and rationalize that?

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Well, if I keep these people here, then we can do more things for the kingdom of God, and he'll be glorified, and you can rationalize it away, or do

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I speak the truth no matter what? The truth. And I absolutely have seen pastors not talk about a certain subject, because there's a couple congregants that have his ear, and they're saying, hey, we give, we lead, we do this, we have this ministry here in the church, and he goes,

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I'll stay away from that, I don't want to upset them. Right, right. But this minority subject over here that no one really cares about, yeah,

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I'll hammer on that. When in fact, we come with the fullness of the word of God in everything that we preach, that we should preach, and I absolutely agree with you.

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And that's what I love, I think, about what Dale's talking about, you know, with a home church.

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I don't think that you, it's not that you're necessarily standing there just spewing out nonsense, you're speaking in truth always, but you're using scripture the way it is supposed to be used.

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You're not like saying something, dabbling in a conversation, then be like, well, I don't want to talk about that right now, you know, and then you never come back to it.

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You know, it's like, well, no, no, no, go ahead, say what you're going to say, you know, like, you're the shepherd, why don't you teach us the way that you're supposed to?

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Well, what's interesting about that too, and it's just, you know, 100 foot wide and one inch deep, meaning you might have, you know, think of a pastor of a thousand person church, you know, single service or two or three services, 1 ,000, 1 ,500.

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Right. That pastor is not going to be able to correctly shepherd every single person in there.

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Now they might have different, you know, the family pastor and youth pastor and all this stuff, right? And we could talk about whether that pastor was being misused.

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I mean, even 150 person congregation at times, I don't know. My point is now trying not being accountable to a brother or sister when you're at a home church of 25 people.

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Yeah, yeah. And you're seeing them once a week and you're doing communion with them every Sunday. Yeah. That's, that's a tough one.

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And that's where I really liked that saying where Dale was saying, you know, we're all about size, size, size.

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Oh, I got 500 members, 1 ,000 members, 10 ,000 members. And it's like, dude, you're a mile wide and one inch deep.

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Yeah. You're not converting anyone. What is it for? There's no discipleship. There's no accountability. There's no sanctification.

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There's no growth and maturity in Christ. It's like, there's no evangelism. Oh, sure. You write a check to submission somewhere halfway across the world.

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And he comes in once a year and tells you, oh, this is what we put in some wells. That's great. Yeah, yeah. You know, there's a lot of atheists that put in wells for people over in Africa too.

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Yeah, exactly. But it's like, man, it's about starting small. I think that's why I'm a limited government guy and a small church guy.

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It's because it's like, there's such, there's something there at the core. Intimacy. That's where change is made.

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That's where people's lives are affected. That's where the gospel is the most effective. And I liked that clip and I picked it because when

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Dale came on, he really made that clip. Yeah, man. I love that episode as well. Thanks for getting him. Yeah. That was a good get.

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Man. I have his cell phone number. Let's call him right now. Let's just put it out on the podcast and all the listeners can call.

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Hey, Dale. What's up? He's like, who is this? That's funny.

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Oh, okay. So this last clip, you sent it over and you said, hey, we got to end on this.

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And I was like, absolutely. And it is Pastor Josh Bice. Yeah. Sharing the gospel.

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Who was just on a few months ago. And he's just sharing the gospel. He gives us three minutes. And you want to know what?

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Jason and I both thought, Jason's idea, but I agreed. And he says, let's just send the people out in 2022.

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First episode of the year. It's our last clip. Send them out with the gospel. Yeah. And we'll just end on it.

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You won't hear anything else from us and send them out. What do you think, Jason? I love it. I love it. You want to do it?

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You got any final words before we send them Josh Bice? Get your Kleenexes ready because he brings it.

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When he did this on the show, I was just like, yeah, thanks so much for coming on.

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Because it was like the last question. I was like, yeah, could you just give us the gospel? He goes through there like, oh, geez.

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Okay. I got to go. Yeah. And this one you can find probably within the last couple months. Maybe this was the one

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I was thinking. That was maybe October or November. This was a few weeks ago. Yeah. It was not too long ago. Not too long. And you can find it out there.

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Guys, thanks so much for listening to our podcast, our year -end review, where we listen to some of our favorite clips.

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And now we're going to leave you with the first episode of 2022 with Pastor Josh Bice preaching a little gospel.

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God bless, guys. The gospel is the good news. The word euangelion in the

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Greek means the good news. And so that presupposes that there's some bad news.

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And the bad news is what the Bible says is that all have sinned against God. We have all trespassed

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God's holy law. So if you read the law of God, if you begin with the Ten Commandments, it will not take long before you see with an honest reading is that we have all sinned against this holy sovereign

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God. And the Bible tells us that because of our sin, we deserve the justice, the holy justice of God, which is the judgment and condemnation because of our sin.

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And so as we think about even cultural items and cultural news stories, we think about how we oftentimes look at a judge.

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And if we hear of a judge letting someone who's guilty and the verdict is very clear, this individual is guilty, but yet a judge lets that individual off, then, you know, obviously we look at that judge and we say he's unjust.

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And so if we've all sinned against God, then we have to be honest with the reality that our sovereign

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God who is holy and righteous and pure will never let anyone off because of their sin.

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He must judge us. And so the only means of hope that we have, which is the good news, which is the gospel is that God sent the eternal son to take upon human flesh.

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It was prophesied 700 years before he was born. He took upon human flesh through the womb of Mary, and he was born in the likeness of men.

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And the Bible says that although he came into his own, his own people did not receive him. And yet he lived a sinless, spotless, perfect life.

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And as John the Baptist said of Jesus in his earthly ministry, he pointed him out one day and said, behold, the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

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And so in that one statement, you see a summary of all of the Old Testament sacrificial system.

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They were sacrificing animals and the blood was placed there on the altar. And you see all of this taking place year by year by year.

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But it was ultimately fulfilled in the once for all sacrifice the Hebrews speaks of in Jesus Christ, the son of God.

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And as Jesus hung on the cross, he cried out from Psalm 22, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani, my

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God, my God, why have you forsaken me? And he was literally being judged.

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He was being condemned. And yet all of our sin, all of the sins of every one of his people was laid upon him so that in the death of Jesus Christ, every one of our sins were atoned for so that any and all who call upon the name of the

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Lord, all of their sins, not in part, every last one of them are taken away.

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And so the good news or the gospel, as you mentioned it before, is that there is hope for all of us as guilty sinners.

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And anyone who comes to the realization that God's son died for them and not only died for them, suffered and bled for them and was placed in a borrowed tomb after his death and then on the third day was resurrected from the dead, proving the fact that he is indeed the son of the living

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God and has authority to forgive sinners. Every last sinner who comes to that realization that they have sinned against this

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God who is sovereign, pure and holy and that they deserve the wrath of God.

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But yet, because of the sacrifice of the son of God, if they would turn from their sin, if they would repent of their sin, if they would turn and believe that Jesus died for them and call out to God for salvation, the

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Bible says, whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. And so we have this assurance that everyone who calls upon the

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Lord, believing that truth about Christ, believing that truth about our hope in Jesus who died for us, they will be saved.

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And that's what happened to me at 25 as I was sitting at my desk at work, coming to the realization that all of my religion, all of my

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Sunday school attendance, all of my church attendance with my parents as a boy, none of that was good enough to offer up to God.

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God required a more pure sacrifice. And yet I turned to God and believed that Jesus died for me.

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And it was at that very moment that the Lord took away every one of my sins. So this is the good news that we celebrate here at this

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Christmas season. And yet I would urge anyone that's listening to this podcast to turn to Christ and to be saved today.