January 6, 2023 Show with Kyle White on “The Believer’s Union with Christ” PLUS Michael McCarthy on “The Fellowship Conference New York”

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Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. Who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnson your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this sixth day of December 2000.

What am I saying sixth day of December? That's not the date. Today is a date in January. I'm not sure how I got that sixth day of December.

But.

We'll correct that later on. But it's my honor and privilege to have for the very first. Actually, he's not a very first-time guest. I'm really fumbling things up this this afternoon. I'm having a returning guest to start with.

And I'm having a first-time guest join us during the second hour. I'm excited that we have as a returning guest today Kyle white who is pastor of Community Baptist Church of Elmendorf Texas. Today he is going to be addressing during the first hour the believers union with Christ and the experience of that union in this life and We're going to be joined during our number two by Michael McCarthy pastor of Christ Fellowship of Pacho Long Island, New York and he's going to be addressing the fellowship conference, New York a conference coming up in February where both Kyle white and Mac Tomlinson and Some other folks are going to be speaking.

But it's my honor and privilege. First of all to welcome you back. You are in sharpens. I'm radio Kyle white. Kyle are you with us?

Yes. Yes. Hey brother Chris. Yep. I'm here. Just had to unmute myself. Okay, brother.

Yes, great to have you here especially to discuss such an important issue the believers union with Christ and the experience of that union in this life, but before we delve into that Please let our listeners know for the sake of those especially who are unfamiliar with you and your ministry.

And if they have not heard your previous interviews on this program tell us about Community Baptist Church of Elmendorf, Texas.

Union with Christ as the Foundation of the Christian Life

Yeah, sure. Well, our our church was established in 1983. So we're into our 40th year this year and I've been here for 23 of those years and I've had the privilege actually of serving as Pastor one of the elders at the present time.

I am the only Elder in the church, but we do Believe that the biblical model is plurality and and we are praying that God would raise up Another man or men we are a small church. We're on the southern outskirts of San Antonio and We have officially 62 members in our church and our attendance is More than that, but we don't really focus on counting the numbers but but we do seek to serve one another and See the demonstration of Christ's love in the church and we reach out.

We're very mission oriented Both in supporting missionaries and in going forth ourselves and Evangelistic ways and so God has blessed us with the privilege of being able to represent him in our own area other places as well.

Well, praise God if anybody wants more details on Community Baptist Church of Elmendorf, Texas Go to CBC web net. CBC web net and I just want to let our listeners know or remind our listeners that I am excited about a conference that's coming up in February next month and This conference is going to actually be held as it normally is At the church where I was formerly a member Before moving to Pennsylvania where I live now and where I conduct this broadcast.

This is the Fellowship Conference, New York. And although it's being held at Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick that is not the church hosting the The conference or operating it. It is being operated by Christ Fellowship of Pacho of Long Island, New York who are using the facilities of Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick and I hope that as many of you as possible can attend that conference.

We're going to be talking more about that during the second hour with our Second guest Michael McCarthy pastor of Christ Fellowship of Pacho of Long Island who will be joining us later on. But stay tuned for details on that conference where Kyle White and Mack Tomlinson and others Will be speaking.

So this is a very important aspect of.

The.

Christian experience. The Christian life. That perhaps is not focused upon often enough. The believers union with Christ and the experience of that union in this life. What was it that? Basically compelled you to want to discuss this very important subject today.

Yeah, you know Chris I I have personally been impacted by.

My own.

Meditations on this subject. Over the past probably couple of years I've been afflicted like a lot of Christians have with a more of a performance based relationship with God. And in my life. And and while there are definitely Commands that we have from our God and and and we're to live a life of obedience and all those things I'm not discounting any of those things.

When the focus of life becomes that and then focusing on our failures. It's so easy to be affected in our relationship to God and I mean our experiential relationship to God. And and so, you know when I began to see in Scripture the overwhelming overwhelming emphasis, especially in the New Testament of.

This.

Concept. It's more than a concept. It's a reality, but the concept of union in Christ with Christ and Christ's union with us, of course, you know, you see that even in the incarnation of Christ, but when I began to Think more about it.

I began to read some authors and listen to some well-known men speak on the subject it just impacted me and. And it's something that I've been emphasizing to our church quite a bit.

Well as. People like you and I are reformed Baptists We strongly believe in the necessity of repentance.

To be.

Deemed as one who is truly born from above born of God without repentance People are to be viewed as false professors If they continue in a life enslaved to sin and Make no visible demonstrable effort to Repent to flee from their sin and flee to God We are to not only view them as unbelievers, but if they are professing to be Christians We are not even to eat with them as far as the scriptures are concerned.

So how is what you are talking about when you say? that you have left a more performance based mindset when it comes to The Christian life. Now, I'm assuming that you didn't actually believe in a works righteousness gospel, which is a total false gospel.

But tell us about the difference of what you are speaking of.

No, well. Whenever you read the scriptures. You know the the Apostle Paul for example in his letters.

He.

He he spoke very directly and he and he called for example, the Corinthian Church to repentance and and essentially scolded them. But when he began the letter he actually began speaking to Those who were in Christ.

He didn't he didn't begin by By a an emphasis on what they should be doing. He began with an emphasis upon who they were. When he says the Church of God, which is at Corinth to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus called and But called saints.

In other words, they they were saints. By the calling of God. And then you get to the end of chapter 1 of 1st Corinthian where he says but of him You are in Christ Jesus. That is God is the one who put you there.

He didn't put you there on the basis of what you did. He didn't put you there on the basis of your repentance on the basis of your faith. It wasn't he put you there. It's of him. You are in Christ Jesus who became for us wisdom from God and righteousness and sanctification and redemption.

By the way, I'm reading out of the New King James here, but so so when when the the thought. And then Romans chapter 6, of course Is a classic passage on the union our union with Christ in Christ. And it's on the basis of that union when we understand who we are in Christ when we understand that.

That.

That everlasting love of God in Christ. We understand that we were chosen in Christ and we understand that everything that we are in relationship to God Really begins and ends with that relationship that we have in Christ that becomes the motivation for everything else in the Christian life.

And so faith and repentance are Fruits, of course of the operation of the Holy Spirit and regeneration.

And.

That is I would even argue a Outworking of This union that we have in Christ and with Christ and an evidence. It's like It's like what John first John chapter 2 And verse 5 says but whoever keeps his word truly the love of God is perfected in him.

By this we know that we are in him. So The foundation of my relationship to God in time and eternity is not dependent on me and When that truth Becomes a reality It affects you. Um.

What do you think what what do you think are some of the most significant ways.

That.

Our.

Union with Christ is Manifest and what that entails that are perhaps Not spoken about or preached about or taught. About enough even from the pulpits of Reformed pastors.

Most recently I've been affected by The the matter of prayer. When you know we are in Ephesians chapter 2 we have that expression that we are seated With him and in the heavenlies. That's kind of an odd expression.

Some some of these these concepts of being in Christ kind of Seem metaphysical to us. It's just sort of yeah, it's it's it's out there somewhere. But it just seems sort of nebulous but when we are actually conscious of the fact That we are in Christ.

And so when we go to our father in prayer We are going In the name of Jesus Christ, and that's not just a formula. We are actually in him seated with him so that we have access into the Holy of Holies and we're We're conscious of that.

I believe that it affects us so that we don't go cowering into the presence of God there is that you know that sense of Boldness going before the throne of grace not because of who we are. But because we're actually Joined to the one who is our very high priest we're in union with him and So it affects us in our.

At least I've experienced that myself, you know experientially it affects me in my praying. I'll give you another example. Just today there were some feelings that came over me some sort of just like I wasn't feeling as spiritual or as godly minded as I.

As I would like. And and then it just hit me. You're in Christ. And it was amazing how that affected in my attitude in my spirit in Relationship to God just in that moment of having that thought Come to me.

And.

So the more that I Study and think and use upon what it means to be in union with Christ Then I am I'm motivated then to actually Well, I would say it like Paul does in Romans chapter 6 I would reckon or you know Think of myself reckon myself to be dead to sin Alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

That's you know, what is that Romans 6? And verse. Verse 12.

I.

Know verse verse 11. Likewise Reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God. It's in Christ Jesus that that's true. It's not because of anything in me but because this is my. We often use the word position when it comes to sanctification my position then.

The.

Progression in my life is Affected toward actually experiencing that sanctification in my life. You know, there are other passages too that I think express a similar thing like Colossians. Colossians 3 You know, if you are risen with Christ set your minds or your affections on things above not on the earth.

And the whole concept there in Colossians that pressing of us to be and do and mortify and all the things that are to be evident in the Christian life flows out of the reality of who we are in Christ.

Now you made reference earlier to that glorious.

Truth.

Common commendation in Hebrews 4 16.

Where.

In the King James Version, it says let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace Then we that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in Time of need. And as the New American Standard Bible says therefore, let's approach the throne of grace with confidence So that we may receive mercy and find peace for help at the time of our need.

As you may know there are Heretics who profess to be Christian, especially in the word of faith movement that twist that wonderful truth and I can even remember. Gives me chills when I think about it, but years ago.

I think it was back in the 80s I was listening to a Christian radio station and Kenneth Hagen the arch heretic of the word of faith movement who has Passed on from this earth and I sadly have little hope that he is with our Lord for eternity.

But I can remember him Saying how sick and tired he was of wimpy whiny Christians coming to the Lord with timidity and so forth and he said you stand up like a man and you Boldly approach God and demand what is rightfully yours now.

I know that that's not what you are saying, but how is what you are saying different from that?

Blasphemy. No, in fact when I hear people talk like that It causes me to wonder If they even grasp at all what it is to be in union with with Christ. And You know in that same passage there Hebrews 4 back up to verse 14 Seeing them that we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens Jesus the Son of God.

I mean, this is this is this is the whole tenor of Of scripture really is leading us to to put our minds and our hearts our affections upon that one Who has done all that he has done and as he was doing what he did for us on this earth.

We there was a sense in which we were we were are in union with him so that his life his death his resurrection as You know Paul talks about in a number of places is really ours and it's on that basis that we come Before.

Before our sympathetic high priest and and we don't know it's not a name it and claim it mindset. Oh, that's Despicable. But it's a the whole idea if if we didn't have Christ if we weren't in Christ brother.

Who could approach God. Who could approach God. But we we don't just approach God we approach him as our father and I know there are people who will abuse that but oh, let's not let the abuses of heretical teachers steal away Fundamental precious glorious truths from us who are truly the people of God.

Well, we have to go to our first station break right now. If you have a question for Kyle white on our subject today The believers union with Christ and the experience of that union in this life, please send it to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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You may also ask a pastoral question a Press a question on theology on biblical doctrine, etc. But we hope that most of you will actually Stay very close to the theme of believe the believers union with Christ.

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If you have any questions of your own for pastor Kyle our email address is Chris Arnzen a gmail .com. Chris Arnzen a gmail .com as always give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence just to remind You Kyle and I will be joined during the second hour.

God willing. By Michael McCarthy pastor of Christ Fellowship of Pacho Long Island, New York. Who will be hosting the fellowship conference, New York? This coming February on Long Island and that will be at Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick.

Christ Fellowship of Pacho is using Facilities of Grace Reformed Baptist in Merrick and that will be giving you more details when Michael joins us during the second hour. We do have a question from Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania and Arnie asks is This union that believers have with Christ one of the reasons that we who are reformed Believe in what it has been known as the perseverance of the Saints and even eternal security.

Well, absolutely. And in fact that is our security union with Christ Also Is accompanied with it's not only us in Christ, but Christ in us. Which Romans chapter 8 makes so very clear if the Spirit of Christ is not in you then you are none of his and that is the very That is the very Power.

He is the very power.

That.

Not only gives us that sense that we are in union with Christ, but also enables us to to grow and the grace and the knowledge of Christ and the likeness of Christ and. So there is that both perseverance and preservation of the Saints that are involved in this union and and and I would just suggest this that.

That You know.

Be observant as you read the New Testament of how often the expression in Christ Jesus or in him is found. It's. It's amazing. If you may have even overlooked it you even get to the end of Romans chapter 16.

And as Paul is writing about the various believers that he knows, I think it's six or seven times.

In.

Verses 3 through 16. That he follows up so-and-so with in the Lord in Christ he and so he's emphasizing that relationship, which is part of the Fellowship or the communion that we have together. This idea of union with Christ and I'm actually going a little beyond the questioners question in here.

But this idea of union with Christ actually is the I believe the fundamental Truth that breaks down the walls of division certainly between Jew and Gentile as Paul taught in Ephesians chapter 2, but between any cultural group or Sometimes we call races We're in Christ.

We're. There is no believer who is Superior to another believer. We are one in Christ. And so that has a huge effect upon our lives. When we come to the realization of what this really means that we are One in Christ and reunited with Christ and united in Christ it affects not only our personal lives.

But our relational lives particularly on the church.

Now perhaps you could clarify about what you meant by there are there is no one Who in the body of Christ is superior to another Christian? There are certainly those that are making a infinitely greater impact for the gospel than others.

There are people who are Living out a more sanctified life in obedience to Christ there are people who are more demonstrable and vividly clear in Possessing the fruits of the Spirit and and so on and so on.

How is what you just said that very powerful and important declaration? How is that different from what I was just listening?

Yeah and I would say This that it's it's like the Apostle Paul. This is this was his attitude and and first Corinthians 15 where he He says I'm the least of the Apostles who are not worthy to be called an apostle because I persecuted the Church of God.

But by the grace of God I am what I am and his grace toward me was not in vain. But I but I labored more abundantly than they all yet not I but the grace of God which was in me. Now while that's not a direct statement of union with Christ.

I believe it flows out of that Thought Paul understood that he was who he was. Not because of who he was but because of who he was in Christ and the grace of God that was at work in him. So that I'll just give you a practical example when I when I go to the prison and I'm standing before 50 some-odd men every week.

And I'm looking at these men. I'm not looking down at these men as if I'm superior to these men. Am I many of them aren't even born again? Some of them are but am I better than them? Well in the flesh, I'd have to say No before God.

No I am what I am by the grace of God and if if any of those men are in Christ though they are Incarcerated. They have the same relationship to God that I do. They have the same access to our father as I do.

I Don't believe that God looks upon us and Distinguishes us from one another based upon our I would say our value based upon our performance. Now that's not to say that there aren't those who are more greatly used instruments.

I mean who wouldn't say that Paul was more greatly used than Others that were living in his day or any who have lived since surely we don't despise the instruments. But we don't exalt the instruments.

We exalt the Christ. Whose instruments we are.

Amen.

We have an anonymous listener who asks. I am going through some very difficult and frightening trials in my life but one thing that comforts me among other things in the Bible is A quote and I'm not sure of who the author of the quote is.

But I believe it rings very true. God plus one equals a majority is what you are talking about Reflective in that quote that I love so much.

God plus one.

Equals a majority. I think what the I've heard that phrase also and I'd also do not know who What the origins of that quote are. But for what I have taken from that quote is no matter what we're facing in this world No matter how many people are Attacking us either verbally or physically If they are enemies of Christ and we are Christians It doesn't matter what people may do and how many people may do evil against us.

Right, we plus God plus us or God plus me or God plus one equals a majority and I believe that's what the quote is referring to.

Yeah, I suppose you could you could you could say that. I would say that God is a majority. He doesn't need me I find and so here's what I would say to turn it positive. I would say everything that I am.

That's a value. It's because of who I am in Christ and I would say that I am no more united with Christ. If I fall or if I have a let's say a moral fall or if I am soaring high in my experience I am no more united with Christ based upon me and.

So I.

Don't know if that I'm not that doesn't sound like that's the point that that statement is making but I believe it is important. For the security of our own souls for the rest. For the peace of our own soul.

When Hebrews 4 says labor I'm quoting. I think that's the King James. But labor to enter into That rest and I believe that rest is Jesus Christ. And so our responsibility. Let me say it this way that The experience of That union That we have in Christ fluctuates.

Okay, but the fact of that union with Christ does not fluctuate. So there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. That's that union a language there. Now those who are in Christ Jesus are Known by their walk by their fruit.