Bruce Jenner Church Signs and Super Drags: The Best a Man Can Get?

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So you calling me delusional using your world view is perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt. Is he hung up on me?

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Welcome back to Apology Radio. I just realized that I forgot to get a passage of scripture ready to read.

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I'll read one. I was just going to say, for this episode, just read all of Romans chapter 1. That's pretty fitting.

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I like yours better. We'll just say that. We'll just go with that. So just read Romans 1. You're good. Welcome back.

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This is the bear, obviously, in the hosting seat today. Jeff is in Kauai, which

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I'll talk about in a second. I just got back late last night, and so my brain is half here and half on a tropical island.

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So forgive me if it doesn't work appropriately. But on my right here is the

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Hamburglar, Zach Attack. What's up, everybody? Zach Conover, one of many nicknames. I don't know the story behind that.

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The Hamburglar? It's a simple story. Well, this is Joy, the married girl hunter.

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It's just weird. It's weird saying that. It's okay. I can be the girl.

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You can be the girl. Who happens to be married. To an awesome guy. Girls are married, also.

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That's the thing. To men, even. So the

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Hamburglar story is there's been numerous instances where Zach has inadvertently taken my hamburger and eaten it.

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Like more than once. At least twice. Funny enough, one of those instances happened on Kauai.

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Which I know you're going to talk about. It's happened a couple times. The last time, I will still attest to the fact that it was very inadvertent.

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It was an accident. I even looked at the order receipt to make sure I was getting the right one. And my burger that I had ordered had hot sauce on it.

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And unfortunately, that was left for you. And you have a hard time with hot stuff. So we had the exact same burger, except his had hot sauce on it.

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And he ate the entire burger. And then I go to get mine, and there's only one with hot sauce.

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And I was like, did you eat my burger? Again? Well, right now, that's not going to happen. Because he's only allowed to drink liquids.

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Because he's being a supportive husband. So he ate the whole burger without realizing there was no hot sauce on it.

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So unless you bring a shake, a protein shake in, he's not going to steal your food. Can you put hot sauce in your shake?

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No, that would make me even hungrier than I am. And I've had very few things to eat the last couple days.

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I'm sorry to hear that. Hey, love your wife as Christ loved the church. That's what it's about.

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Wait, what does that have to do with being on a diet? You're doing it in support of your wife?

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Yeah, exactly. Did you mention that already? I wouldn't be doing it, trust me. I think our audience may have missed that.

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It's like a cleansing, support, encouragement. Doing it with her, alongside her. Walking through it with her. Well, good on you.

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Hey, man. Good on ya. In the face of God. So I just returned.

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Myself, my family, Pastor Zach and his family. And then Jeff and his family are all still in Kauai.

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We are there supporting our team. We just celebrated the one year anniversary of the church plant. Which is pretty awesome.

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So exciting stuff ahead this year. We're actually going to be... Actually, Zach will be there next month.

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I'll be there in March. We're alternating months. Sending guys out to help support Pastor Claudie and the team out there.

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Throughout this. At least for the next six months or so. To kind of help them. They just got some really awesome stuff going on. It's exciting.

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With that, we did post a... Giving fuel. We have a bit of a need.

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We need to raise money. If you want to help us and partner with us in that. We'd be super grateful for this upcoming year.

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Go ahead. The work out there is completely worthwhile. It's worth obviously.

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Families selling their possessions. Decreasing their living situation.

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Even while they were here. In Arizona before they moved out there. Sacrificing so much. And then believing in the mission that God has called them to.

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To go out there and essentially win those islands to Christ. That's what it's all about. Hawaii was once a Christian kingdom.

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And by God's grace, that's what it will be. Again. We're believing God for big things.

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Absolutely. God just blessed us with an amazing opportunity. To rent a house.

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From a member. At Apology of Kauai. Which is amazing. It's impossible.

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We were even trying to do it before we came on this trip. If you're not on the island. You don't exist.

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You're not even alive. I don't think people even... We don't totally understand that.

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How many people have really lived in a place. Where there's only so many houses. Even in Arizona.

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There's always stuff being built. It's a huge sprawl. It's one of the biggest cities in the

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United States. Sixth largest. There's space here. We're all connected.

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And we make up this huge contiguous United States. But Kauai especially.

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So even just Hawaii is small. Kauai is even smaller. It's like jungle.

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Farmland. There's literally only so many houses. On that island. But funny enough.

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Last time I was there. I do remember seeing houses being built. I was shocked. There's a new one right there by the airport.

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Expensive is kind of a relative term. For any shanty. That you happen to abide in.

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Yeah. God gave us this opportunity. It's amazing. It'll be way cheaper for us to lease a house.

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Throughout the year. Than the amount of money we spend on one week. On a couple trips.

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Praise God for that. But like I said. If you guys want to partner with us. We'd be eternally grateful for that.

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Pray for the team out there. Yes absolutely. I don't have time to get into all of it today.

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But some of the stories we were hearing. From this last year. The fear of spiritual attack.

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The darkness that's on that island is crazy. You didn't even get to hear some of the stuff. You'll hear it when you go. It's crazy intense.

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Again we're thankful for everyone that's been a part of that. I just told these two. Right before we went live.

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There was something we talked about. You can't even get through it. In Kauai. This last week that I've been laughing about.

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For an entire week straight. Have you guys heard of unassisted seabirths?

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No. I'm not going to play the video. Because it's completely inappropriate. So there's a thing called.

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I can't even talk. Unassisted seabirths. You mean what ocean animals do?

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Yes. Not humans. I'm going to give a warning. If you look it up on YouTube.

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There are videos. Just know what you think they are. It's exactly what it sounds like.

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We laughed and laughed and laughed. There's this one video in particular. There's a husband and his wife.

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I'm assuming they're married. May not be. They're in the ocean.

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She's giving birth. They're both completely naked. Even the dude. It's a thing.

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Into the ocean. The ocean is not a terribly clean place. Exactly.

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There's a current. It's moving. It's a nice warm pool of water. I was going to say.

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That makes it even more concerning to me. You're in still water at that point. It's not like you're out. There's a lot of water circulating.

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There's eels. Sea cucumbers. It wouldn't strike me as a terribly.

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At peace environment. For a mom to give birth. She looked pretty at peace. I feel like when a woman.

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Two kids. I'm not an expert. You want stress and every trace of it.

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Eliminated from the environment. It is an intense time. Do they just let you do that?

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I don't know. I feel like that's something the government would be like. That's not okay. What are you going to do?

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Walk up to a lady and be like. You have to go. I'm not going anywhere.

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There's all those amoebas. Waterborne illnesses. Are there benefits to it?

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There's got to be a side of the story I'm missing. Where someone makes the case. This is what you should do. I think it's people.

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Going back to Romans 1. They just want to be one with nature. There's some kind of.

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That's what they worship. I do understand the arguments for water birth. Oh absolutely.

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But salt water. Ocean. I don't know. What if a shark swims up and snatches your baby?

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I know. Who knows? An octopus is in a line and wait. I don't know.

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A number of things out of your control. It's like a kid that would have a movie made about it. Octopus raised by a family of octopus.

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It's a jungle book. It's the ocean book. Raised as a fish. There's definitely a world view.

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Underneath it somewhere. This is what you should be doing. I'd love to find out what that is. I want to find it here with the benefits.

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I'm curious. I just thought it would be fun to talk about. Thanks for sharing.

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I'm sure it provided colorful laughter and commentary. The whole time you were there. Plenty of it. That being said.

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The first thing we want to talk about. I'm going to pull up the article here. There was a pastor. I tried to reach out to him.

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Through someone else. We might be able to get him on. His name is

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Pastor Justin Hoke. Of the Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church. In Weed, California. Say it one more time.

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Reform Church. Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church. In Weed, California.

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Someone was like. We're running out of. What's California sounding? Weed. Name a place after it.

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He made a church sign. After another thing. In the news. He made a church sign.

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I say kudos to you. Justin Hoke. It said. Bruce Jenner is still a man.

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Homosexuality is still sin. The culture may change but the Bible does not. I love it.

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Nailed it. If I had a church sign. I would want to do the same thing. Good job

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Justin Hoke. Why he got in the news. There's these. Transgender people.

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Or something. They were LGBT. Safe love group. They did a love rally.

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They ended up getting vandalized. What's really sad. Justin Hoke.

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Ended up having to step down. From his position. Originally it was said he got fired.

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He didn't technically get fired. They were like. If you stay. Everybody but one family is leaving the church.

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Which is crazy. At a reformed church. Even the other staff was like.

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I can't stay here. He stepped down. In order to not destroy the church.

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Can we read that? He gave an explanation. I have it right here. He said as of today.

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I am no longer the pastor of Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church. After much prayer and counsel. I have decided that it is best to briefly.

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Communicate what has taken place. One. I was informed by our other elder. That he felt he could no longer follow my lead.

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As pastor of TBPC. Two. I was informed that essentially. All but one couple membership would leave the church.

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If I continued as pastor at TBPC. Three. Our other elder and the couple felt.

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That those who left would likely return. If I would leave. Four. Our other elder was agreeable to stay.

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And assume the pastoral responsibilities. Therefore it was determined that it would be. In the best interest of the local body.

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For us to part ways. So obviously there has been a shift. In the liberalizing of.

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Even reformed churches recently. We know about OPC. PCA. How certain churches within that are just going way left.

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In terms of the gender issues. Homosexuality. All that stuff. And then you have again a reformed church.

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We are talking about a church that is rich in. Doctrinal history. Confessions of faith. Grounding in scripture.

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All of these things that make. Classical orthodox Christianity what they are.

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In the society. The current day and age that we live in. You have an elder approaching the other elder.

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And members of the church threatening to leave. If a pastor just says things that are true.

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Bruce Jenner is a man. That is a true statement. Biologically speaking. He is a man.

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It doesn't matter how he feels. His commentary that he was making through that sign. Applies to his church.

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As he found out. He is saying. His thing was that.

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Just because culture says it is true. Doesn't mean it is true. It is what the Bible says. You demonstrated that those who are in your church.

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Are actually products of the culture. By posting the sign. And so.

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Bruce Jenner is a man. Homosexuality is a sin. Again. Nothing new in terms of what

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Christians have believed for thousands of years. This is what the Bible teaches. About what is a man.

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What is a woman. From the beginning God created them male and female. In the image of God he created them. This is foundational

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Christianity. Another thing. That I am really disappointed in.

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Obviously there has been a shift. We know this already. There has been a shift about how people view church membership.

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How people view elders. There is a protocol. That disqualifies. Men from being pastors.

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What is that? According to the Bible. Don't bring any accusation against an elder. On the basis of two or three witnesses.

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That is God's law. Not only based off of 1 Timothy. Did he do anything that would disqualify him.

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From the pastoral position. But also. The members of his church got together.

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Behind his back. Like a mob. They all said we are going to leave. If you don't this and this. If they believed it was sin.

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And their pastor was sinning. They needed to bring it to his attention. But instead they all just.

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Like you said. There was a coup where they all just. They were like we are going to leave.

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If you don't leave. It is us. What kind of church government is that?

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How does that. If there was a sin happening. How would that solve or sanctify in any way?

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It wouldn't. You guys got upset. You didn't like what he said. Instead of talking to him about it.

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You just went behind his back. And got him fired. It is juvenile behavior. It is indicative of.

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You take a passage like. 2 Timothy chapter 4. Verse 3. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching.

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But having itching ears. They will accumulate for themselves. Teachers to suit their own passions. And will turn away from listening to the truth.

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And wander off into myths. The idea that someone.

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Who is biologically a male. Can be a female. That is a myth. It is a fantasy.

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And this pastor. This man of God is being faithful. And standing on the words of scripture. Making a public proclamation with the sign.

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That was vandalized by the way. By the LGBT group. He didn't say anything hateful.

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The perception that we have been taught. Is that what he said was hateful. Because you are committing the ultimate sin of our generation.

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Which is thou shalt let me do whatever I want. Unless you are a

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Christian. Right. So yeah. The only thing he did was make a commentary.

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And he gave bullet points. That were true. To support that commentary.

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He said example. Example. Statement. And he didn't say anything unloving.

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But basically. If you know. The group. The protestor group that went out there. Just said that they were trying to.

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Have their message be one of love. And support. For anyone who feels like they are the target of the sign.

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The society is the target of the sign. There is no one being targeted. In a violent way.

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By the sign. We get targeted by things all the time. Targeted. You get targeted by ads.

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By your Facebook. Which we will talk about. Sit tight. That is coming folks.

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You can be the target of something. Without it being hateful. Or violent. That is totally a thing.

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For people to characterize this. As. Something that was hateful.

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That was an intentional. Ill willed targeting. Of a group of people.

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First of all. That is just not true. There is no evidence to suggest that. Like you said. Not only did they protest.

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They actually vandalized. Property. The violence that was actually done.

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Any sort of aggression. Was done by these peaceful protesters. I am not blowing that out of proportion.

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I am not going to say that vandalizing a sign. Is hurting another person. I am not going to do that like you guys are.

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It is still a violation of law. It is retaliatory. We would say that what he did.

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Was the most loving thing you could do. Exactly. That is what Jesus did. When Jesus approached people.

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To give them the good news of the kingdom. Like he said to the woman at the well. He said oh yeah.

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The man that you are living with right now. Isn't your husband. As a matter of fact you have had five husbands. Before the grace that he gave her.

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Of knowing that she could drink from the waters of eternal life. That he offered. There was the calling out of her sin.

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And the recognition that she was in sin. Just like this pastor. Justin goes on to say.

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In the article. This is about the gospel. The fervor around the sign is ultimately about the gospel.

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And as Christians quoting him. Says we should accept the challenge. That the culture has thrown down.

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In the sand when they have drawn the line. Christians need to step over that. By preaching the gospel. That is ultimately what this is all about.

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It is about the good news. And this kind of attitude though. This kind of behavior.

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That the world sees from Christians. Even speaking out. It won't be tolerated. It will not be tolerated.

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It will be silenced. It will be oppressed. Because I don't want to hear it. I don't want the truth about who

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I am. As a man. God has made us as men and women.

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With our bodies. How he has designed us. To live in obedience to them. Our biology says something about who we are.

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And how we are to live. It is not a neutral sphere. That we can just mutilate and impose meaning on.

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It already has preconditioned meaning. At the hands of our creator. So God has given us that.

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And you have a pastor like this. Who is speaking clearly and truthfully. That reflects what scripture says.

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About how men are to live in obedience. To their bodies. And not to be in hostility against themselves.

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And hate and destroy themselves. And in the process. Make a mockery.

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Of what a true woman is. As our friend Toby says. Every time Bruce Jenner gets up as a woman.

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He is giving the middle finger to females everywhere. Exactly. Simple truths.

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Communicated in the midst of a hostile culture. Will always be categorized as hate speech. Bigoted.

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Homophobic. And like this pastor says. It is about the gospel. I believe they are sincere.

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Regarding the protesters. Sincerely wrong. They are pushing their agenda.

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In the school system. They are pushing an agenda on our children. In the school system. And they are telling us.

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Keep your Christianity in the church. So keep your Christianity.

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In your little bubble. We are the ones who will own. The indoctrination of the youth. We will push our morality.

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Our ethic. Our what we call valuable. What we call good. What we call holy. On them.

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But keep your message behind the walls where it belongs. And sooner or later. That won't even be safe.

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Keep your theology off my biology. That is what our friend Doug over there.

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Calls the tolerance buzz saw. I don't know if you guys can see on the camera. But the free speech apocalypse. He got the tolerance buzz saw.

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You know. What Pastor Hoke did. He pulled a

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David. Who are you? Uncircumcised culture. To come against.

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The army of the Lord. He stood up. Like you said. He didn't just draw the line in the sand.

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He crossed the line. That the LGBTQ. ZB. XYZ.

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Culture drew in the sand. He said I'm going to step over it. Because your line is arbitrary. That's exactly right.

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He said it was about. The way he put it was great. It's about repentance and faith. Repenting of sin. Trusting in Jesus.

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It's interesting too. You brought up the church government thing. He's Presbyterian. They obviously have.

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A very. They have a firm stance. On how a church is supposed to operate.

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I don't know the details behind that. That's interesting how that. Came into play. We don't know exactly how they all.

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It sounds like it happened. Fairly quickly. I don't know.

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I can't speak to whether or not. Maybe some of the members had. Other issues with him or something like that.

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I'm not saying it was just the sign. I still disagree with apparently.

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How this went down. It's not supposed to go down that way. By any stretch of a biblical standard.

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It was not. It had nothing to do with scripture. That's not how

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God. Addresses his church. To handle something like this. Pastor Hoke.

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If you happen to see this. We would be honored to have you on. Have you talk about what happened. That being said.

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I'm going to play this clip here. Carmen is going to play it. Carmen if you want to get ready. He says in the article.

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He posted this sign. In reference to something. That happened. I don't remember.

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This must have happened a couple of weeks ago. There was a clearly.

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Let's get this straight. He's clearly a man. It was a man. Carrying a purse.

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At a game stop. He became very angry. Because they referred to him as sir. This actually is the edited version.

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Because there's a lot of inappropriate language. I was thankful. I found one that was an edited version.

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We're going to play this real quick. We'll talk about that. Again keep in mind. This was why Pastor Hoke did that sign.

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In reference to this video. Carmen go ahead. I apologize.

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I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize.

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I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize.

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I apologize. I apologize. You just keep coughing. You're going to disrespect trans people in the store.

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Which I plan on telling the LGBT community. Your going to lose money over this. So why does it matter?

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So why does it matter? It's important to use the appropriate pronouns for trans people. For a number of reasons. First it's the law.

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I thought I'd explain why intentionally misgendering trans people is an act of violence. Why you shouldn't do it.

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But to get started, we need some definitions. Misgendering is the act of referring to someone by the wrong gender or implying that they are a gender that they are not.

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Violence is a harder thing to define. Several dictionaries say that it involves the use of physical force.

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However, dictionaries are not intended as all -knowing, unchangeable rulebook. I would argue that their definition of violence is outdated.

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Bruce Caitlyn Jenner, I'll call him Caitlyn Jenner because that's the name. No, it's her. You're not being polite to the pronouns. Disrespect.

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Okay, forget about the disrespect, facts don't care about your feelings. It turns out that every chromosome. Okay, so, um, can

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I just say that in watching that, the angrier he got, the more masculine he sounded, right?

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Right. Yeah. Yeah. It was hilarious. You can't suppress it. I mean, it's just, it's, it's,

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I mean, it's not funny, but watching it in retrospect is like the more agitated he got, like,

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I mean, clearly a man, um, you know, kicking stuff over, cussing this dude out at GameStop, um, you know, he was interviewed shortly after that.

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He said his actions were justified. What the GameStop employee was doing was blatant and malicious hate, right?

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Just calling him, sir. Right. Just stating a fact. Yeah. Stating the reality, not, not being sucked into the fantasy, not lying about who you are.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I mean, there's been a number of quite funny memes that have come up, but yeah,

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I mean, yeah. I mean, there's, like I said, he's clearly a male, um, and it's just, it's, it, what's sad is that culture's at this, this point in time now where a man, someone like this can throw such a temper tantrum and destroy things and act like a child.

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And we have to submit to that because his feelings could have been hurt. Right. Can I say this?

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Go for it. So let me, let's rephrase a little bit. A man dressed up as a woman can do that and get away with it and have no repercussion.

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A man doing that toxic masculinity. Yeah. That's where we're at right now.

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That's where we're at. No, you're absolutely right. If you want to put on a wig, if you want to inject hormones into your body, if you want to mutilate yourself, you can act as out of line as you want to and there's no consequence.

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But if you want to act like a man, right, and I'm, and I'm not saying that a man cursing out a

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GameStop employee is, is appropriate, right? That's not, that's not true masculinity. Well, it's not appropriate for anyone to behave that way.

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Male or female, right? Right. Or child. Right. But, but, but the point is, is if just imagine if a, a man did something like,

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Oh, this would be completely different if the employee was a woman. Just imagine the outrage and the backlash that would come as a result of this.

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So when men dress up and act like women, as long as they have the disguise on and they lose their cool, no consequence, but a man doing this, yeah, no, you're absolutely right.

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It's funny cause this is actually going to tie in perfectly to the, the end of our discussion today.

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Um, yeah, it's just, it's, I mean, when I first saw this video, it was comical to me cause it was just like, okay, all right, dude, you're a little out of line here.

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And I'll say this here, the video that we shared, if I think, I think Carmen stopped it, but if you keep watching, it's actually, there's a bunch of people saying how we should use correct pronouns.

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So that video was actually in support of him, but that was the edited version. That's why I played that one.

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But it's just like, that's considered perfectly appropriate. That's considered righteous protest for the

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LGBTQ community. Like that's absolutely appropriate because you are committing an act of violence against them when you misgender, um, because, well, and in a way is in a part of their, like in, in their system.

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It absolutely makes sense because in their system, which isn't a true system, so we don't have to go along with it.

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Um, it's their identity, right? It is who they are. It's about that. It's who they are.

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It's their very, it's all the inner parts of them, the emotional parts, the mental parts, the physical parts, it is who they are.

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And so when you call an obvious him, she, you know, not she, even though he wants to be called she and all this stuff, you know, then you are, according to them, fundamentally attacking who they are and what gives them value.

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Um, I will say the only one that's attacked his physical parts was him. Yeah. Well, and I know that there's like, it's just, there's a part to, there's a part of it that, um, it's not a there.

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Okay. So the idea, this is how you, um, successfully, uh, create a movement like this.

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And I was talking about this earlier. Um, you have to, um, take something that's natural and make it a social construct.

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So if it's natural, there's nothing you can do to change it. Right. Um, and that, that is all kinds of stuff that happens naturally in this world.

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Um, and, but if you can make those things not natural, but societal, so, so gender roles and gender norms are not natural.

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They're societal. They're created. Yeah. So then you can change it. So, so if a man who looks like a man isn't natural, like if it's not biological and natural for a man to look like a man, um, if you can make that societal, then you can make it so that a man who looks like a man in women's clothing, isn't, um, isn't a man, but that's not how it works.

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He's obviously still a man, um, but that's exactly what's there.

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What's what they're trying to do. This is the reason why a video exists that says it's an act of aggression and it's violence to not call someone what they want to be called is because that is a part of how you make gender a construct and not something that is naturally inherent.

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And that ideology is spreading into, I mean, counseling fields,

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I mean, you, their physicians are literally under threat, uh, for their jobs and being paid and losing licenses because they refuse to indulge in this fantasy.

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And, you know, Christian counselors exhorting men to live in obedience to their bodies, exhorting women to live in obedience to their bodies.

33:42

Um, that's becoming taboo. Well, yeah, it's becoming banned. Speaking of weed, California, like California, they're trying to make it illegal, right.

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To tell someone that, yeah, that you can't live that way. Right. Yep. And it's insane. This is again,

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Romans one, right? Romans one. It's just God's judgment be given over to the desires, right?

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Like, and that's when you've been given over and you're under God's judgment, you look foolish because foolishness looks normal, looks like truth when you're in God's judgment.

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Yeah. And God's word is so clear in terms of, I mean, a man dressing up in woman's clothes.

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I mean, the law of God, the very word of God in the old Testament says that that's an abomination to do that.

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And that's God's word, you know? And so there is a defined categorical reality of how the sexes are to act and relate to one another, of course.

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But you take an explicit command of scripture, like first Corinthians 16, be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.

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There is a defined way of how we're supposed to live and relate to one another and act.

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And it's all been determined by God. It's not the product of a society. It's not the product of a consensus. Well, there's a reason why you are referred to as he.

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If a stranger walked into the room right now, they would say his, he, right.

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And they would say her, she, for me. That's not a construct, right?

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There's a reason why, like, there's... We were designed that way, created that way.

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Right. And it's so natural. And I don't want people to totally misunderstand the point I'm trying to make, but I even do that.

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Like, there are transgender men that are like male to female that pass as females.

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And even in that instance, you are more likely to call that person she, because they look like she.

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And that's how natural it is. It's not a construct. Like it is a naturally occurring thing.

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And I'm not saying that because, because he looks like a she and that they won, you know, and now they are a female.

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They're still not a female, but like, that's, that's how, that's how pronoun stuff works.

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Like it's very, it comes naturally. If it wasn't even necessarily that that guy, that employee thought,

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I'm going to be hateful and call you the wrong pronoun right now. He looked at the guy and thought, you look like a man.

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Yeah. Sir. Right. And that's not because it's because he naturally he's geared to know what he recognizes, what a man looks like versus what a female looks like.

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And the sad thing is this way of life. I mean, this lifestyle, obviously this rebellion against God, I should say it has an end to it in the end isn't pretty.

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Like when you live in disobedience to the way that God has made you, the end is risk is destruction.

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I mean, people that are like Sodom and Gomorrah, well, and in this instance, in the instance of this sin, it's a very, not all sins have such destruction to the body.

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Like right. You don't, you know, like many of us by the grace of God, we were saved and there we didn't have bodily physically consequences of our sin.

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Yeah. And so you're talking about something that comes with, I mean, a district, like a lot, just a lot of destruction.

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So much of like God created naturally things

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I've originally, they were good, obviously sin. Yeah. But you know, it's just, it's, it's a hatred.

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It is a hatred for your body. Yeah. And that's, that's why the gospel is such good news is because it not only

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Jesus, not only forgives you of your sins, washes you clean, gives you peace with God, reconciles you to your creator and all of that, you know, gives you the gift of his

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Holy Spirit living in you. But to what end, to what end is to restore you to your original design and purpose.

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And so it's, it's good news for the person, male or female, who's trying to be either or who isn't, you're still made in the image of God.

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Right. You're, you have, you have the Imago Dei, you are the Imago Dei, but Jesus Christ who walked this earth in perfect obedience to the father is the essence of the true image of God.

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Yeah. Right. As a man walking this earth. Right. I mean, he defined everything, what it meant to be a true man, laying his life down for the other being, you know, sacrificial confrontation, all of these things that Jesus perfectly exemplified, but he's the perfect image of God that we look to.

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And so the gospel, the good news that's inherent for people who would call themselves trans or, or anyone trapped in this lifestyle is that there's hope for you as the image of God.

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You can be redeemed and restored, purchased from the kingdom of darkness and transferred into the dominion of light, the kingdom of the sun that God loves.

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And he can restore you to your true intended purpose. And with that, if you're in that position and you're watching this, we're not asking you to repent of being homosexual or repent of being a transgender, we're asking to repent of all your sins.

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It's a whole life of sin. It's a whole, it's everything. When Jesus said, repent for the kingdom of heaven was at hand, renounce your whole way of life.

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Everything has to be changed. You have to become like a child and be converted and be born again.

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Everything has to change. And the good news is the work of the spirit of God to do that within the life of a fallen sinner brings about something.

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The new creation. If anyone is in Christ, he's a new creation. Absolutely. The old has passed away and the new has come.

39:43

Amen. Great. That was great. Thank you. Just the words of God. So with that, we would like to transition like Bruce Jenner into the next discussion.

39:59

Carmen, get the next video up. So we just, I just happened to see this today.

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There is a new cartoon and I say cartoon, it's for, they clearly say it's for adults, but it's still a cartoon and it's still going to appeal to children.

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It's on Netflix. So there's a new Netflix cartoon called super drags.

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Brace yourself for this one guys. That's rough. Yeah. So I don't want to spend a lot of time on this, but it just kind of fit perfectly in this discussion.

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So Carmen, go ahead and play that and then we'll, we'll talk about it briefly. What are we waiting for girls?

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Let's say, Oh, I can't, I'm afraid of the water. Cause it's going to ruin my

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Kim K contour. I assembled a select group of lady boys with amazing skills.

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Let's go ladies, a woman, a man. Nope. It's the super drags.

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Now sisters, I'm going to suck every last bit of highlight from those queers.

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Super drags save our sisters. Suck all that bitch. It's dragging time.

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So, uh, I hope you're, we didn't burn your eyeballs out for that one. Uh, again, it's just, it's the normalization of, you know, drag

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Queens and homosexuals and dudes kissing. And then you see, they say lesbians, there's girls, kids, and it's just everything that 10 years ago was completely taboo and inappropriate is now okay to put into cartoon form.

42:39

It's creatively evil. Yeah. Right. Romans one. You said it already. They're, they're, they're inventors of evil.

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Yeah. Like planes flying in the shape of a genital. Yeah. Right. Like, I mean, come on.

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Yeah. It's just, I mean, from beginning to end, I mean the, the, the drag and then just, just the creativity of it all.

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Yeah. Right. Like they're being very skillful and they're evil that they're propagating. And the tagline was a very adult show.

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Right. But as everybody knows, everybody, okay. Everybody knows that kids are going to watch this and even if they weren't, it's still a problem.

43:17

Yeah, exactly. We were talking about earlier. It's still vile and disgusting. Well, it represents just a really messed up sexual ethic.

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The sexual ethic of our society is just do whatever you want and do it extensively and dramatically.

43:38

Yeah. Over the top. Yeah. Like there is represent. There's obviously going to be representation in media of homosexuality, transgenderism.

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There's going to be all kinds of representation. And some are subtle. Some are really subtle. Subtle references.

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But a show like this, the point of it is to be over the top and to be shocking and, and that in a way is the essence of the sexual ethic of this nation, which is just do whatever.

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Like there is nothing degrading. There is nothing. Some people will tell you that it's wrong, but it's not wrong.

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And rather than you just know that you need to fly the flag of it's not wrongness.

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Yeah. Like it needs to be public. You need to have public displays of sexual. I'm not just talking about representations of homosexuality.

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Like I'm talking about just like blatant sexuality. And we know that there is there.

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It's not that sex is bad. It's that there is a place for it. God has made a distinction surrounding that.

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And what they're saying is there's no distinction. Yeah. There's no boundary barrier. Right. Or any of that.

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Right. Because those things are prohibitions on freedom. Right. And it's, there's, there's so little boundary on it that we, let's just make a show that is just over the top and has no boundaries, you know?

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And I don't know. Obviously we haven't seen a show. Hasn't even come out yet. Was that just the trailer? I think that trailer just got dropped today maybe.

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But yeah. I don't know. I mean, there's no, I haven't seen. I like, I personally, there are a few like adult animation things that I like.

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But the last few things that have come out have been that, especially through Netflix. Netflix has been doing a lot of very crude, funny.

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Do you remember when they started? They just had, you know, movies from mainstream before they started producing their own content.

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Yeah. There was maybe like one or two Netflix original movies or series. Now they're everywhere and the things that they are propagating on there.

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I mean, it's straight up pornography. Yeah. You know, it's. Oh yeah. Well, and I'm sorry, but a lot of it is they're becoming sort of your standard network, which is that there are some quality good things being produced and then there are some bad things being like, and I'm just talking about the quality of it.

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Like I'm, I'm sorry, but I don't know how many of you guys have watched whatever that a Christmas Prince, their

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Christmas movie that they released. They released last year. Yeah. That was pretty good. Yeah. So, well, they released a

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Christmas Prince last year and then a sequel this year. And it's just, it's like something pure flicks would put out like, it's like, it's not good.

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It's just like, here's something consume this, just watch it. That brings me.

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Production consumption. Yes. That brings me exactly what I was going to say is. Well, cause that Christmas Prince is like wholesome.

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It's very, very clean. But my point is, is like. Why can't stuff be wholesome and clean and good?

46:56

Right. Yeah. Like they're there. They got smut. This is just trash. Right. And it's well done.

47:02

Yeah. Right. They put a lot of time and work to it and they like. I'm sure there are some famous people in it.

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I'm sure they're. But why can't we as Christians make stuff that's wholesome and good and be good.

47:14

Like well done. Like why? Why? Yeah. That's a good question. There's a few people out there, but. We know a few of those people.

47:20

Yeah. We've talked about this. But I mean, you said it. I mean, we keep coming back to Romans one.

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But I mean, if you look at what that verse says, if you look at verse 24, therefore

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God gave them up in the lust of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie.

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And then for this reason, God gave them up to degrading passions. This is degradation.

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Yeah. It's degradation. Clearly. To what it means to be a man and a woman. Yeah. Like it's it's not wholesome.

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It's not lovely. It's not beautiful. It's not true. It's degrading.

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Yeah. You're degrading your body. And the love of God, the love of Christ compels us to tell you the truth and to say something about it.

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If you're a Christian out there, I mean, you have to say something about this. Yeah. I mean.

48:12

Sorry. Did you guys see? I know I was gone for a week. Did you see that picture that popped up the other day?

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And it was like a it was a transient. It was a dude. Yeah. Completely naked. But had makeup on with a 10 year old boy.

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Yeah. And I was also a drag queen. Yeah. Like people are celebrating. It was like 10 years ago.

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That guy would be in jail right now. Yeah. You know, like that's how quickly the it's crazy. The decline has taken place in culture.

48:37

But that being said, if I can offer some encouragement, I've positive note, you know,

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I've I've we talked about this a little bit before you pack up and move to the woods. Right. Right. Right. Right.

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Stay with us. We got this. I think I got this from this mindset, from from listening to Joe Boot.

48:54

But these people, they're eventually they're going to die out. Right. And this is why it's so important to be to have a post -millennial mindset.

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Right. Because we as the Christians are the ones that are procreating. We're making children.

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Eventually we're going to outlast this generation of of nonsense and filth because none of them are having babies.

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And the ones that are having babies are murdering them before they're born. So think long term.

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Let's you know, as Christians, we need to stay strong. We need to continue to proclaim God's truth in the gospel.

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And this kingdom is going to grow and we're going to overcome this. It's going to take time. Yeah. But we are we will overcome this as long as God doesn't completely destroy our nation.

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That's the thing. Which is what we deserve. Right. So if God shows us mercy and we outlast these these filthy, wicked minds, perverted, crooked generation.

49:48

Exactly. That's that's what it is. God, they're going to. I mean, we are under judgment. This. Oh, absolutely. It's the fact that we have drag queen cartoons on Netflix.

49:57

That's judgment. Yeah. God has us under his his his hand of judgment and he is still being gracious.

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Yeah. Still being merciful. Still showing restraint. Still not wiping our nation off the face of the earth.

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He's still being long suffering. Even after something like that. He didn't allow us to elect

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Hillary Clinton as president. When you look at Donald Trump as mercy. Right.

50:22

Right. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, you're under God's judgment. So that being said, we'll move to the last thing here.

50:28

So so now we want to look at it's the latest commercial from Gillette, which probably everybody's seen now because it's everybody's talking about it.

50:36

And I was just telling them I didn't actually see it till last night because I missed it this last week and I saw a bunch of chatter about it.

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So I do think there's some things we need to address. I do think there are people that are completely blowing it out of proportion.

50:49

But no, we need to be balanced. We need to be balanced. But the point is, well, then what is the culture saying a man should be?

50:57

Yeah. What's the what's the template? What's the standard? Give us something. You tell me anything besides the

51:03

GameStop man. Right. Give me something besides your arbitrary opinion of what a man should be.

51:10

Right. And why should I listen to you as opposed to what the person next to you is saying? Exactly. So, Carmen, if you want to go ahead and this is like I said, the new commercial from Gillette says we believe it's called

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We Believe the Best Men Can Be. Go ahead, Carmen. Bullying.

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The Me Too movement against sexual harassment. Toxic masculinity. Is this the best a man can get?

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Is it? We can't hide from it.

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It's been going on far too long. We can't laugh it off.

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Who's the daddy? What I actually think she's trying to say.

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Making the same old excuses. Boys will be boys. Boys will be boys. Boys will be boys.

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But something finally changed. Allegations regarding sexual assault and sexual harassment.

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And there will be no going back. Because we, we believe in the best in men.

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Men need to hold other men accountable. Smile, sweetie. Come on.

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To say the right thing. To act the right way. Not cool.

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Not cool. Some already are. In ways big and small.

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I am strong. I am strong. But some is not enough.

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It's not how we treat each other, okay? Okay. Because the boys watching today will be the men of tomorrow.

53:05

So, the first thing I want to say is a lot of what

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I think this commercial is saying is actually good, you know, but I think if I had a, if I had one major complaint about it, it seemed like it made white people look like the ones that are doing all the awful things.

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And it made the minorities, you know, and so for me, and I'm not saying that white people don't do horrible things, you know, obviously, we all do horrible things.

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I think if I had a complaint, yeah, it's like it's, it's drawing, it's drawing a further racial divide.

53:43

It's making that worse than, than better. If I had a complaint. I didn't even notice that, dude. I mean, in the video, you're exactly right.

53:49

The people that are stopping the man from like cat calling. Yeah. The woman is a black and then, you know.

53:55

Yeah, absolutely. So, if I had a complaint and, and I want to obviously hear what Joy has to say in a minute because you guys talk about this sort of thing a lot on Sheologians.

54:04

So, if I had a major complaint, that's what it would be. I do. It did seem like maybe there was some, some gayness in there.

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So, like there was a couple when they zoomed in on those two guys, like, you know, like maybe they were trying to play, imply that they were gay together or something.

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I don't know. So, there may have been some of that. And, obviously, like we shouldn't, men shouldn't be cat calling.

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Men should be respectful. Men shouldn't be grabbing females rear ends. You know, we shouldn't be talking down to women.

54:34

We should be not allowing our kids to fight just because they're boys.

54:40

You know, like, so it's almost like if there was a lesson from this, it's love your neighbor as you want to be loved, right?

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Like, that's a noble thing. That's a good thing. That's, of course, we know because scripture tells us. Standard.

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So, you know, there was another thing, you know, there's like the mom that's consoling the boy and they're calling him sissy and all that, like, you know.

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Bullying. Yeah. Like, well, specifically for that, for that instance, you know, I would want to see, if we're talking about being a man,

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I would want to see a dad consoling his son, you know. Teaching him to reconcile.

55:14

Exactly. Teaching him to forget. So, I mean, those are kind of my thoughts initially when

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I saw this, but I'll let you guys tell me what you were thinking. I mean, I think, I mean, obviously Summer wrote about this too, and she had a very good point about no media.

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Sorry, Summer, I didn't see it. I mean, no media is neutral. There's a worldview at the very bottom of every single thing that gets put out there.

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And Gillette is no different. And these are people that are paying one billion, gajillion, fafillion, shibadadadadoo, illion dollars.

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And that is a lot. To propagate their message. And so, but these people don't exist in a vacuum.

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Like, they don't just have a neutral template where they say, oh, I'm just going to create an ad. Yeah. No. That tells people to be good.

55:58

Right. They're intentionally pulling on the heartstrings of people with things that people care about.

56:03

Obviously, they're pandering to the Me Too. Hashtag Me Too. Yeah. They said that right at the beginning. Yeah. So, they're pandering to that.

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But what the problem was for me is the association of things that are natural behaviors.

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For example, my son loves to wrestle and loves to fight and loves to beat me up. Well, and there's definitely a difference between wrestling and fighting and fighting.

56:26

Yes. Like, hatred for neighbor. Right. Right. So, the association of that kind of behavior, okay, which is normal boy behavior.

56:36

It's not that we should just let it go on. We need to do something about it. But comparing that to the objectification of women.

56:45

Right. There's a conflation of category there. Well, and I think there's another thing, too.

56:51

Another thing that I noticed was that you had men harassing women on the street.

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And then you had this portrayal of a man and a woman on a television set that are married.

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And the man's reaching for his wife's butt. Right. Which, I mean, we can have a conversation about whether or not it's appropriate to portray things like that on TV.

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But within the context of marriage, that's where that takes place. Well, and that's the thing, is that's considered, like, those two things are being compared.

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So, like, legitimate, like, violent fighting, hating of neighbor is being compared to two boys wrestling in the backyard.

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And then a woman being harassed on the street by a stranger is being compared to her being harassed by her husband.

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Yeah. And I'm not saying this to say that men get to do whatever they want with their wives.

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But it's not wrong in a healthy marriage for a husband to touch his wife's butt.

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It's OK, right? I mean, that's not sexism.

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It's not sexism. Right. No, totally. And so there is it's just a it's kind of just a grab bag.

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And pardon me, but it is every single I like I know this stuff.

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It's it it touches on every single complaint that feminism has with men.

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It is. I kid you not. It is like a point by point by point script response to everything that feminists complain about.

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The boss speaking down to CEO, like speaking down to the woman in the boardroom. Yeah. Right. So in a way, it's not even creative.

58:35

It's incredibly generic and it encompasses all of this stuff that I've I've seen the arguments for and I've already taken care of.

58:44

Right. Like they there is there's not an argument. Or you can find it at apologizestudios .com.

58:50

Summer did a great job in Summer Rights. That's our little blog section.

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She did a great job addressing it. And that's the thing is it just not it. It's like insulting.

59:03

It's like you're a razor company. Feminists have a problem with razor companies because they sell they they charge more for pink razors than men's razors.

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But I guess they're OK with it. We need equality. You made a great point about this. I want you to finish your thought, but I want you to talk about the dollar shave and how that affects us.

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That's it's just fair to mention the fact that the reason you're seeing advertisements become more aggressive like this.

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This is an aggressive pull because it pulls on people's heartstrings. Right. And not in the way that's like, oh,

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God made a farmer. That's so touching. You know, like you've seen those right where you're like, wow. Yeah, but this is intentionally pulling on your heartstrings to affect a worldview change.

59:53

Right. And the reason for that is the reason why you can't just market a razor and say this razor is better than the other guy's razor.

01:00:00

It cuts better. It only has one blade instead of three blades is because you're being hurt.

01:00:07

You're being hurt by other businesses like Dollar Shave Club that can send you a subscription for a few bucks a month, give you some razor heads and some cocoa butter.

01:00:15

Whatever that stuff is. I tried it, by the way. It actually doesn't work that good. Well, and you don't have to like you don't have to subscribe to any morality that Dollar Shave Club.

01:00:25

Just give me the product that I want and let me shave my face. Don't tell me how to live.

01:00:30

You brought up a good point. I mean, like, I get annoyed by, you know, because just this whole transgender movement or whatever, they've just tried so hard to force this upon everyone.

01:00:42

It's like I can't even go to the bank and get money out of the ATM without being like, you know, oh, we support homosexuals.

01:00:50

Like, you know, like you can hardly go anywhere. You know, the places that like that take a stand and say, we're not we're not like that are places like Chick -fil -A,

01:01:01

In -N -Out and Hobby Lobby. And that's about it. You know, like everyone else.

01:01:06

They're like, oh, no. Welcome to Home Depot. I don't know if Home Depot doesn't. I'm just I hope not because I love

01:01:12

Home Depot. But, you know, like I'll say Target. Welcome to Target. You know, it's like a rainbow section.

01:01:18

Yeah, exactly. You know, it's just like, come on, can I just shop? Can I can I can I give you my money in exchange for goods without your propaganda being forced?

01:01:26

Yeah. And I think that's it's a business, not an indoctrination center. Right. And so, again, worldview, no neutrality is what's at the bottom of this.

01:01:35

And by the way, just an interesting kind of note. If you want to tell us how a man should behave, if you want to give us a worldview by which to live that values women and doesn't objectify them, you will find no better worldview morality than the biblical one.

01:01:51

Amen. Because the message of Christianity and the gospel came into the first century and turned it on its head.

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You had women who were seen as second class citizens, who were seen as less. They were seen as the objects wives were to carry on the family name.

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And that's all men use them for. They had sex with their concubines and their servants and even, you know, children.

01:02:12

Right. And what happened as a result of the gospel, the biblical worldview, the Imago Dei coming in?

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Let me give you an example. First Corinthians, chapter seven. This would have been incredibly offensive to the first century audience that Paul was writing to.

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Verse four, for the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And every feminist goes, ah, but the next part of that verse is everything.

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Likewise, the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

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Yeah. You want to know what worldview produced dignity and value of women? It was the biblical worldview, because that idea, the idea that a man's body didn't belong to himself, that he couldn't do whatever he wanted to with it was only a result of the

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Christian framework and the gospel. And the apostle Paul says, yeah, husbands, you guys that think you can just live how you want and, you know, do your thing with whoever you want.

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Actually, your wife is the one who has authority over your body. And so you want a liberation from oppression, right?

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You want a liberation from oppression. You want a liberation from being held down.

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Well, congratulations, Jesus Christ and his gospel is what gives the next preaching fire. So I think that maybe

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Carmen can work on this. I think we should do a, uh, our own video of what a man should be.

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And the first thing is we're going to throw away the razors. Cause if you're a man, you don't shave. But I was thinking, you know, but like, no,

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I mean, for real though, like, you know, you know, like you said, like have men showing their sons how to reconcile men standing out at the abortion mill trying to save babies.

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Men not standing outside while their girlfriends and wives are inside aborting their babies.

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You know, like there's, we can do that too. You know, um, we'll give you an objective basis.

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Yeah, exactly. Not just our opinion. Well, yeah, this is basically that the ad is basically just, um, a summation of all the things that sexual freedom has got us.

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So the feminist demanded sexual freedom and then they got it. And then they didn't like that it made men into rapists and assaulters.

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Did you say assaulters? Not assaulters. I don't even know.

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I don't think assaulter is a word. It is. Like you read from the psalms? Yeah, like you read from the psalms. You don't read from the assaulters?

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Okay. Thank you. Stop mansplaining me. Oh, I'm sorry.

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I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I don't know what happened in our, in our comment thread today. Um, actually what she meant to say was.

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Actually. Let me tell you what Joy meant. I don't know what happened, but there's a whole comment section about people quote blazing to, to get a better relationship with Christ.

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What happened? How did we, I'm talking about smoking weed. I was in high school once.

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I'm like, what? I just, I just happened to look and it's odd. I get closer to Christ when I blink. Like what just happened? How did we get?

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Anyways, um, I didn't mean to cut you off there, Joy. I want to give you the respect that's due to you as a woman, as a sister in Christ.

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I was just saying the reason why feminists think men are so bad is because they just said, hey, men, don't be men.

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Do whatever you want. Come into relationship with me. Um, and then walk away.

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Don't take care of me. Don't take care of my children. Um, and so there you go. You, you tried to be

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God and then it didn't work because men are sinful. Um, and I don't just, we are,

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I don't mean just men. I mean, people, men too, but also women.

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But, and so now we have, now we have to tighten up our morality.

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We have to tighten up to make sure men know what they can't do. So it's like, oh, well first we told you, you could do whatever you want, but now that's not really the case.

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So we have to let you know that you can't wrestle. Uh, you can't barbecue in your backyard with 500 of your closest friends.

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That's a big party, bro. Yeah. It's just, it is the reason

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I appreciate, like, I appreciate that, you know, so Gillette doesn't need to be responsible for my morality, but I appreciate when stuff like this comes out because it is just so obvious to the person who knows how to look at it.

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To the Christian, it's like, yeah, yeah, of course it's not working with you as God.

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Of course. That reminds me of the, I know we got to close up here, but we did a,

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I think it was a TV episode with Ben and Rebecca Merkel. And Ben talked about that and it was phenomenal.

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He nailed it right in the head. He's like, it was like everything that we're talking about right now is because men stopped being men.

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Right. It all had to do with second wave feminism and the sexual revolution.

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Right. And I'll give it to you. When men aren't men, society crumbles and nothing is a better indication of that than what we're seeing right now.

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So it's not toxic masculinity. That's the problem. It's the lack of masculinity, period.

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Yeah. There isn't enough of it. Right. If there was, if there was true, godly, biblical masculinity, our nation would not be in the state that it is in right now.

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If there was a vision of godly leadership, if there was faithful husbands and fathers at home in the family, if there were faithful, and there are,

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I'm not saying there aren't, there are faithful men. Because that's another thing that gets wrong. There are faithful men in civil government who do want to honor

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God and do want to obey him. Did you hear the divine line from last week? I know I keep saying we're going to stop it.

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I just was listening to it today. And Dr. White, who barely had a voice, he was talking about, and he was going off like I've never heard him go off before.

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And it was, I think he was talking about the Dutch and stuff and how like Abraham, you know, Abraham Kuipers was the prime minister or whatever and how far it's gone in like a hundred years.

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And he's talking about masculinity and, you know, even, even where we're at in our nation today, he was, he was, you know, seeing some of these other countries that are further down the road than us.

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He's like, who do you call when you need Navy SEALs? It's us.

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Like, who do you call when you need men? You call on the United States, you know? And like, we're not that far from that.

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But the point was like, yeah, like you're exactly what you're saying. When masculinity crumbles, so does the nation. Right.

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You no longer have anybody to defend yourself. How does Rusty say it? As goes the father, so does the family. As goes the family, so goes the church.

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As goes the church, so goes the nation. Exactly. It's, it's only logical. And I think the message ultimately that we're proclaiming, like, listen, you want a society that has all of the benefits like the one

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America has, but don't want the worldview underneath it? I'm sorry, you can't separate those two things.

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You cannot bifurcate that. You can't take it and say, I just want the bennies, but I don't want

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God. I just want the good stuff, but I don't want the framework that allows me to have a basis to have the good stuff.

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Because I don't want God. And so it just comes down to hatred of God, hatred of his word, hatred of his law.

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And that's why it's only the gospel. Amen. It's going to change hearts. Amen. Well, I think it's been a good show.

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Thank you, Hamburglar. For sure. And Joy the girl that happens to be married. I wish

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I had a hamburger today, bro. All I can think about is that patty. I had some bubba's last week.

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That was the first burger he took of mine. Bubba's in Kauai. Yeah, he would definitely steal your hamburger today. I would.

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