Book of Romans - Ch. 8, Vs. 27-39 (03/05/2000)

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All right, everybody open their Bible to Romans chapter 8 verse 27 continuing with the letter to Rome written by Paul In verse 27, he says and he that searches the hearts

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North what is the mind of the spirit? Because he maketh intercession for the

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Saints according to the will of God He that searches them but the hearts

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Great who we talking about here? North what is the mind of the spirit now?

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What are we talking about? Because he maketh intercession who's he

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For the Saints According to the will of God What is the will of God I thought

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I'd give somebody else a chance You were doing fine

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What is the will of God go to is it first Peter David or second chapter 3

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Sure, which which verse or it says he's not willing

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Read that to me second Peter 3 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise and some kind of slackness

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But his long -suffering toward us not willing that any should perish But that all should come to repentance

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Now, let's be sure we understand this verse since we've gone there lots of misinterpretations those that believe that everybody has equal opportunity to be saved will use this verse and Say that it says right there that God's not willing for anybody to be lost

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Well, he does and he doesn't You must always know

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Russell who's speaking to whom they're speaking and the subject matter Go back to the first verse of the chapter 3

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Russell This second epistle beloved I now write unto you in both of which

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I stir up your pure mind Oh, we're remember now from that verse. Who would you suppose he's speaking to?

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Believers and We won't do it. But if you'll go all down through that chapter in every place that says us or us word or Beloved he's in has reference to the believers

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So when he get the first nine Greg read it again All right, the

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Lord is not slack concerning his promises some men count slack, but his long -suffering to us word

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There's an interesting word us word Not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance

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All right Throughout that birth of that chapter Russell to whom is he speaking like to believe so The promise was his return and us word is talking to us

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So it just follows that he is not willing that any of us perish

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A Thousand years is the same as the day with the Lord.

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Yes. He's not Suffering he's talking to his own people giving them time to repent.

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That's right The elect would come to repentance. Yes So what he's really telling us in that one verse is as well as many other places

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He will not return until he has caused to come in to the human race every one of his people in the church and That he has notified each and every one

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There will be a last one, but when the last one has been notified Then he is free to come

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And he's not going to come before that All right. Let's come back now to verse 27 chapter 8 in Romans What is the purpose of prayer

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Someone tell me what prayer changes But I'm that in the scripture for me.

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Will you? Prayer does not change things

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Circumstances The only thing prayer changes is us the one pray

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Our Motivation our motive our attitude our will And it is all designed for our growth

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For us to get close to God be susceptible to his will and Then to be able to see his will working

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Lots of things for which we do not pray. We are never aware of Of the fact that they are actually taking place therefore we miss the blessing of knowing

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And all prayer does is change us God never changes Neither does he change anything?

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Because it's already done Come now to verse 28 and we know

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Which Oh We'll just told us that all things

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Work together for good to them that love God To them who are the called

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According to his purpose We are called according to his purpose

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You're not called into Christianity For the satisfaction of your parents

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Or a loved one or teacher You're called

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By the purpose and will of God Go to Ephesians 1 11 make a note at Romans 8 28

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To go to Ephesians 1 11 when you get to Ephesians 1 11 make a note to go to Romans 8 28

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These two verses must always be read together Now, let me read

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And we know that all things work together for good to them that love

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God To them who are the called according to his purpose In whom also we have obtained an inheritance being predestinated according to the purpose of him

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Who work of all things after the counsel of his own will

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That's how everything's working together He works all things we don't

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The government doesn't even though we think we do and they think they do

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So this is the way that all things are working God is the originator of everything except what

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Sin So it follows them that everything is good pure and holy

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In his first state Satan can only use that which

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God sins Satan can generate nothing but sin And he is forced to use whatever

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God sins everything God sins is good and holy Satan will twist and pervert everything to fit his own desire

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And that's sin In this verse, we also noted does not say we are working all things

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Either by design or prayer or anything else It does say that all things work themselves together according to the will of God Second Timothy Eight and nine

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Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord Nor of me his president that be thou protector of the affections of the gospel according to the power of God who has saved us

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Called us with unholy calling not according to our works But according to his own purpose in grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

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Do you know that Give us that reference again

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Thank you for that's good that just nails it down Oh this

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I want to ask a question here. All right, I might know the answer to this but I can't express it very well but How can something good and holy sent from God return to something sinful?

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How can it yeah only if we use it that way Sin resides in our mind

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So It's it's our motive and the way we observe it the way we look at it the way we use it

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Of course that's the side Satan is trying to get us to do but he can't make us do anything

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So there's no way I can explain Most things that occur They don't ever become simple

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It's something in us That's right That would be a good exercise, but you already blown it

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Sometime Sometime after you forget what

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Greg just said Write down a list of things that are simple

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Then write down a list of things that are good Do you not understand what

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I'm saying? You would have nothing on the other side

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Because things are neither good or bad It's how we use them and how we perceive them

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And we know that everything comes from God so we have a good handle on the beginning

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Everything is good. But then again, the things are not good or bad

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All right first 29 For whom he did for no, what is for no

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Pat what once again for no All right, is there for knowledge with God If There's for knowledge with God then is there after knowledge

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There is no for knowledge with God or after knowledge the for knowledge is in our mind from our view and We have to look at it like that from our view point that he knew before I was ever born

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I was going to be born but not to him. It's just always been there's no past or future with God It's all present

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Now if you can understand that you explain it to me sometime That's right

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In the present So 29 says for whom he did for no that picks out a group doesn't it

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He also did predestinate the same group He predestinated them to be conformed to the image of his son

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That he might be the firstborn among many brethren if he's a firstborn

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Then there would necessarily have to be a second born and a third and a fourth

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So whom he did for no to whom isolates a certain group Who also did predestinate this same group to be conformed

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Russell conformed means what? Is conformed passive or active great to be

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All right Then it's not for us to adhere to it

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What's happening here It comes from the word form so someone forms us into The image they want us to be in.

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That's right Now we are predestinated To be conformed to the image of his son that Will that will be the end result of our brief stay here on this earth

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We right now each one of us are being conformed That's right

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To the image of his son that we might be the firstborn

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Among many brethren, so he's just talking about one group of people here

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God has neither foreknowledge or after knowledge He exists only in the now

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God is not a man that he should think as a man and I forget that nearly every minute

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If he remembers anything it means that the thing is immediately in his presence He doesn't have to remember things.

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He doesn't make decisions It doesn't come to a decision to use this plan over that plan.

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That's man's way of thinking The foreknowledge of God exists only in the mind of the believer

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Here on earth everyone can think only in relation to time and there's no way we can get away from that To have foreknowledge

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It would be impossible for man We can and do have foreknowledge it would be impossible for man to function without it

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Without foreknowledge would be like forgetting everything as soon as it was finished But with God not so he has completed all things and eons past So I beg of you do not think that God depends upon the ability of knowing

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What you are going to do in order to work all things to the right end

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He doesn't depend upon your knowing it God does not respond to man or anything else

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Moreover whom he did predestinate still dealing with the same group then he also called and Whom he called of them he also justified and whom he justified then he also glorified now

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David The Predestination has taken place

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The calling has taken place The justification has taken place.

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What about the glorification? So From God's point of view it's done because like you said earlier in the lesson everything is already done

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And that's the only way you can make sense out of that verse It's to understand that's how God sees it right now from our viewpoint of time

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That'll happen at the rapture, right? So from our view it has not happened from God's thing was done.

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That's why it's written like it is Go to first Peter verse chapter 2 verse 9

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But ye are a chosen generation a

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Royal priesthood and a holy nation you are he says a peculiar people

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That you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light in first Peter 2 21

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For even here unto were you called because Christ also suffered for us

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Leaving us an example that you should also follow in his steps So if you have not suffered yet, don't think you're going to escape it because you will

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Our suffering today Cannot hold a candle to the suffering of the early

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Christians during the time of Rome and time. This was written even Well, I guess it's about 30 years after the

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Lord had returned to heaven In first Peter 5 and 10

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But the God of all grace who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Jesus Christ After that you have suffered a while Make you perfect Establish strengthen and settle you

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The word establish is not a misprint We would tend to think the means establish

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But they didn't that's an old English term. Let me be sure you understand To be established

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Means that you have by someone else been placed in a fixed position facing one way forever

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Established You cannot do it to yourself Second Peter 1 and 3

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According as his divine power hath given unto us all things That pertain unto life and godliness

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Through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue now All right, all of you turn to the second

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Peter 1 and 3 And let's look at this for just a little bit Greg I'd like you to read it again

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As his divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness

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Through the knowledge of him who called us by glory and virtue All right, he has given us

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All things pertaining unto life and good with godliness He has given unto us all

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Things that we need for this life It's everybody with me

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Then Russell, why do we pray so that it spent so much time praying for things? We already have everything we're going to need

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It's at our disposal May not mean we have it right now, but it's there and it will be there when it's needed

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We have no lack in the things I'm sure that we think we do

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But he's given to us everything that we need for this life So let's spend our prayer time on something else other than things

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Brother Otis, while you're in this part of the Bible Can I point out something in 1

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Peter 1, verses 1 and 2? Yes, sir You may be fixing to come to it or you may not

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But it's a verse that's commonly misunderstood Because it makes it sound like the election is according to foreknowledge

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And it says in verse 2, elect according to foreknowledge To the foreknowledge of God the

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Father through sanctification of the Spirit, etc The interesting thing is if you'll look this verse up in a

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Greek Bible The word, verse 2 starts with the word elect

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But in the Greek, the word elect is actually in verse 1 And it's between the words be and strangers

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In the second line of verse 1 So it should read like this

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Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the elect strangers

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Scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, Bithynia According to the foreknowledge of God the

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Father It doesn't really say elect according to foreknowledge It says they're scattered according to foreknowledge

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I just want to point that out in case somebody went to that verse and saw it

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And it seems to contradict what you're saying But it does not because election is not according to foreknowledge

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That's right And in that verse, it's not even the same verse The words are not the same verse in Greek By the way, that's in the received text in Greek The Greek that our

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Bible comes from That points out another thing that I need to, of which you need to be aware

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If you are at a verse And it seems very plain to you that it contradicts other verses in the scripture

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As long as you think it does, you'll have a problem Always work from the basis that the

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Bible does not contradict itself I can only say that about the King James I don't know about all of the others

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Now, if you are at a verse that seems like it does contradict Know that the rule is the preponderance of scripture must all agree

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What does all of the rest of the Bible teach against this one verse?

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And if all of it teaches security of the believer And this one verse seems to say no

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Then you know that your interpretation is wrong Because the Bible is not wrong

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There are no contradictions And the only place that we stumble is in our own interpretation of it

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And usually we're trying to form a doctrine or basis of a theology on one verse

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You can't do that You have to take the entire Bible That's what

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I like so much about the way the Lord has had us study the Bible Complete letter at one time and through all of the

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Bible Alright There is no escape from God's will

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Then in 31 he makes this statement What shall we then say to these things if God be for us, who can be against us?

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Now, the us is talking about you and me

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That are in Christ Jesus Now, you'll just have to listen

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I cannot remember all of this even though I wrote it I want you to get every bit of it

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In that verse, the common interpretation of it is That if God is on our side, we can win any fight against any and all odds

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If God be for us, who can be against us? Now, that's the common interpretation

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It's not basically wrong, it's just that you're missing a whole lot Let me ask you something

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Did any of you ever play football or basketball or baseball or any sport like that Where it required, once in a while, a substitute?

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I am That's who I was You were the substitute?

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Yeah Then the one for whom you substituted, if you got hit in the head, did it hurt him?

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No Alright The correct interpretation hinges on the

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Greek word translated for For has many different meanings

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In this case, it denotes substitution If God is for us in substitution

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The believer stands justified in the imputed righteousness of the substitute,

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Jesus Satan can never impeach the character of the believer

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He would first have to deal with who? The substitute

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Having a substitute, neither the devil nor God can be against the believer

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Instead of the devil dealing with the believer, he has to deal with the substitute, Jesus Likewise, instead of God dealing with the believer, he too has to deal with the substitute, himself

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And God is morally bound to deal consistently with himself Jesus the

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Christ is for us in substitution from eternity past to eternity future

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Not only was Christ our substitute in death, but he is our substitute now and eternally

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Therefore, Satan can never attack our souls The reason no one can ever be against us is because we have a substitute

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God can no more be against the believer than he can be against himself If he did this, he would cease to be

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God Therefore, his existence is the guarantee of our existence

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To condemn the one for whom he is the substitute He would have to revoke the death of Jesus on the cross

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If the substitute could be annulled against one believer, then the sacrifice would be annulled against all believers

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This would be an impeachment of his own character and a division of his own nature

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The believer's security is identical with the character and existence of God Safety reaches its ultimate assurance in the immutability and eternity of God If God be for me, no one can ever be against me

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Why? In my place

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Right He is my substitute Now, let's come back to where we were

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Verse 32 Any questions? Sometimes I think we go too fast

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A beautiful sermon on the word for There's a whole lot more in there

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He that spared not his own son but delivered him up for us all How shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

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Who shall say anything to the charge of God's elect? Can it be

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God? That's the question Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect?

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Can God lay something to the charge of his elect? Somebody say no

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I would say no He should have a question mark after Verse 33, is that right?

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Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? Question mark

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What about him? It is God that justified

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It cannot be God because he justified it Who is he that condemneth?

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Question mark It is Christ that died, yea rather that is risen again

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Who is even at the right hand of God Who also maketh intercession for us

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So it cannot be Christ for he died and intercedes for us Even the

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Lord cannot bless and condemn at the same time Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?

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Question mark Shall tribulation? Russell what is tribulation?

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The whole problems back and on I'm reminded of the last trip we made to the

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Grand Canyon We were on the south rim as usual and walked down a little ways

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And it's pretty steep when you first start on the path And we met two young boys coming up The first one was a young teenager and his brother

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I suppose Was about 10 or 11 He was laboriously trudging along behind He looked up at us and he says

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I wouldn't go down there as far as you I said why?

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He says it's awful That's what tribulation is

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Awful Shall tribulation or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or peril or sword

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As it is written for thy sake we are killed all the day long

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We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter

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Now we are killed all the day long

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David help us out here on the killed I've always interpreted this as a speaking generally of persecution

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Ok Let's just have a look at it

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Unless it's a spiritual reference to the fact that we die daily Like Paul said that he did

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He died unto the world daily Ok We're killed by death to be liberated from the bond of anything all of the time

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All the day long we are accounted Accounted Accounted is a bookkeeping term and Greg's going to tell us what it is

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Accounted You can't cheat I won't get my dictionary

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No I won't When you account something You're going to have to think of that Well what does reckoned mean?

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Reckoned is when you accept something as true Accounted is the same thing

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What did you say? Killed meaning Killed, we're killed all the time

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It is a continuous action We died in him on the cross that goes on all of the time

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We die and die and die and die And we live and live and live

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For us to live continually calls for death continually Would that not mean death to the flesh all the time?

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And why to the spirit? You remember Paul said I buffet my body daily

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So that in the end I won't be a castaway That's been misinterpreted also

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That he has to work to keep his salvation Well obviously that's not what it means

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To buffet your body, to buffet something, what do you do? When you buffet something what do you do?

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Make it shiny Make it shiny So you have to apply some pressure and some heat don't you?

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So Paul is saying I have to fight with my body all of the time So that I will always be the right representative of Christ And will not in the end of my life

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Be looked down upon by my fellow believers It has nothing to do with his salvation

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Now where did we leave off? Okay all the day long we're accounted

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A thing is reckoned as something As having the like force and weight This word refers to facts

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Not superstitions or suppositions We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter

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How many have been around a slaughterhouse? How much noise do sheep make when you kill them?

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All I know is cows make a lot of noise Have you ever been around one where there were sheep?

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Sheep makes none No noise Nay in all of these things we are more than conquerors

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Through him that loved us More than a conqueror Great statement

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Harvey to conquer something If you conquer something what do you do? Take control

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Alright Now Jesse to be more than just taking control would be what?

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Taking control Right Absolutely To be more than a conqueror is not just overcoming the situation

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It is taking that situation And using it To produce good for God More than a conqueror

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Just to overcome you just break it even But use every situation for the praise of God More than a conqueror through him that loved us

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Not through us Not through anybody except the Lord For I am persuaded

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Is persuaded passive or acting? Passive Is it perfect or imperfect?

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Is it past, future or Alright So I am persuaded by something else

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And it's a wonderful Completely convinced What? You're completely convinced

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That's true Persuaded is more strong than convinced But convinced is good

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Persuaded is like If you're walking in the park and you see a park bench And it has a sign on it that says wet paint

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You don't have to go touch it to see if it's wet You're fully persuaded that what they tell you is true

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Paul says I am fully persuaded For I am persuaded that neither death

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So death would do but walk for us Liberate us

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Take us to him That neither death nor life nor angels nor principalities nor powers

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Nor things present or things to come and we've got to stop We've run out of time

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We'll start with verse 38 Study the lesson this week and come with some questions

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Let's stand and we'll be dismissed Greg would you dismiss us again please

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Father in heaven Thank you for another day Thank you for this good place where we can come and hear the truth

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Let us all hear it well Understand it Let us put it into practice

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Make our lives better for it And give a praise to your glory with it Thank you so much