June 29, 2015 ISI Radio Show with Pastor Ronjour Locke on “Same-Sex Marriage & the Hijacking of the Civil Rights Movement”

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Good afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, and the rest of humanity on the planet Earth

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This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday and

I'm so delighted to have for the very first time as a guest on our program

Pastor Ronjor Locke.

He is pastor of First Baptist Church of Brooklyn in Baltimore, Maryland, and he is married to Annie,

and they have four children, Joshua, Noah, Micaiah, and Naomi.

He is a Maryland native and a graduate of Washington Bible College and Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary,

and Ronjor exists to display and declare the greatness of Christ in all of life that

all may delight in the glory of God.

To that end, he cares deeply about preserving the biblical pattern of marriage for the display of the

glorious union of Christ to his church, and today we're going to be addressing in light

of the tragic, horrific, but sadly fully expected decision of the

Supreme Court last Friday, Friday, June 26, as I said last week, which is a day that

will live in infamy when same -sex marriage was legalized.

We are having our new guest Pastor Ronjor Locke today to speak on the

hijacking of the civil rights movement by the homosexual left,

and it's my pleasure to welcome you for the very first time, Pastor Ronjor Locke.

And before I forget to say it, I'll make sure that I state it now, and hopefully I'll repeat it a few

times later, but the website for First Baptist Church of Brooklyn, Maryland, is

firstbaptistbrooklyn .org.

That's firstbaptistbrooklyn .org.

A lot of our listeners may, well obviously most people on the globe know Brooklyn,

New York, but many of them may not know about Brooklyn,

Maryland.

Yeah, and they've only had it a

short while, too.

And well, Ronjor, tell us something about your background and your church

before we even go into the topic.

I want to let our listeners know that I'm interviewing Ronjor Locke today

because of the high recommendation of a mutual friend of ours, Eric

Redman, who is now on the faculty of Moody Bible Institute.

But Eric Redman is a dear brother in Christ, a dear friend who I had on the

older version of Iron Sharpens Iron between 2006 and 2011.

He became a dear friend over those years, and I had him speak at a pastor's

luncheon out on Long Island, New York, and all of the pastors, without exception,

gave glowing reviews to Eric's preaching.

But Eric was originally invited to do this program today but could not due to previous engagements, and he

gave a glowing, glowing recommendation of our guest, Ronjor Locke, and said, in fact, that he believes that Ronjor will

do a better job than he would today.

And I also want to quickly thank Richard Bennett of Berean Beacon Ministries, the former Roman Catholic priest

who is now a born -again believer in Christ and a Reformed Baptist and a

zealous, diligent evangelist of the gospel.

He gave us the liberty to move his two interviews that were originally going to take place

today and tomorrow to later in July so that we could obviously address a very timely subject like

the one we're doing today, the hijacking of the civil rights movement by the homosexual left.

And so let's go back into my original question to you, Pastor Ronjor.

If you could, please give our listeners some background about yourself and about your church,

First Baptist Church of Brooklyn, Maryland.

Amen.

And in

fact, I'd

like

to have

you

back on

again

in

the

near future

to.

Address the riot situation over there and give a pastoral response to that.

And I think it's significant to mention that you are a black pastor because of

the subject matter.

If I didn't mention that, there may be some who wouldn't think that you, as a guest, would have a right to speak

about who has and who has not hijacked the civil rights movement.

So I mention that for that reason.

And also, I think it's of interest to note that you're in an interracial marriage,

and some on the left might think that you are betraying the progress of the civil rights because

you yourself, not that long ago, especially in the South, would have

been putting your life at risk for doing such a thing, and that there may have been places that wouldn't have, and there were no

doubt places that would not have married you.

And so therefore, what is your response, your response to this

horrific Supreme Court decision on same -sex marriage being legalized, and the

fact that you are just as aware as I am that the homosexual left,

they have really used, in a great way, the civil rights movement as

a tool, if you will, to get their own rights

to freely practice their depravity in even greater.

Ways

now.

So

if

you

could

response

to

that.

Yes.

Yes,

yes.

If

there

is a

big.

Difference between the color of one's skin, or the origins of their

ethnicity, and violation of a command of God.

And these two things are constantly being mixed, as if they are one in the

same.

Homosexuality is being treated just as if it deserves special rights,

like people of all ethnic groups and races and creeds and colors and so on.

But obviously, this is not the case.

Now, the thing that I find interesting, you are a black pastor who happens to be

theologically conservative, with theologically reformed leanings, and

the, from what I have seen, not necessarily, or should I say not at all, in the

media, but what I have seen, not only in the Christian media, but the more conservative

media, and also in my own travels, having been involved in Christian radio for 30 years,

I've seen even the black pastors and the black congregants of many

churches that would be clearly more liberal than you are.

The African -American community and the Hispanic community seems to be

very much in disagreement with homosexuality and same -sex marriage in particular, aren't.

They?

Amen.

And I

don't

know

if

anything

has

changed

with your

phone,

but

for

some.

Reason you've been cutting out a little bit, and I'm not certain why.

Okay.

But hopefully that won't continue to occur.

And of course, as I mentioned earlier, you happen to be in an interracial marriage, and

we want to make something very clear, that even though there have been wicked people who professed faith in

Christ, who have opposed that, there is nothing biblical

that would prohibit people of different races or colors or

ethnicities to be.

Married

together,

correct?

When

you look

in

the

scriptures

on

marriage,

it's the very

thing that

they are to have

in Christ.

Amen.

Right, and of the opposite sex.

That is.

Correct.

Yes, and of course one stunning example we have of God's anger toward

racism is when Moses's sister criticized him for

marrying or being married to a.

Woman of another race, and the Lord struck her leprous, did

he not?

Yes.

And

it.

Also seems absurd that in regard to the Great Commission, that we are to go into

all the world making disciples, that God did not fully intend

those individuals going into all parts of the world to eventually be marrying people of different

races and ethnic origins.

Right.

And so what we do have a question, and in fact I want to

repeat the email address for Iron Sharpens Iron.

It's ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

That's C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

We do have a listener in Elizabethton, Tennessee, Nathan Lane.

Now, it's not the Nathan Lane that everybody knows who would certainly be in favor of same -sex marriage.

This is a completely different Nathan.

I'd be happy to talk to him, too.

He asked something that you

basically already answered, but you can touch on it again if you had anything further to say, but I

thought that the question is worthy of repeating, and Nathan in Elizabethton, Tennessee

asked, could you please speak on the distinction between the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s and the current

Homosexual Rights Movement?

But I would even like to ask, can you compare the Civil Rights Movement of.

The

60s

to

the

Civil

Rights

Movement

in

general

today?

Fundamental.

Now,

you

have

Back in the 60s, you did have some black homosexuals like James Baldwin

who were a part of the Civil Rights Movement in a way.

What do you think do you know anything about what Dr. Martin Luther King and some of the more prominent

members of the Civil Rights Movement would have said today about homosexuality, and what do

you think that they would have been in favor of what we see happening, and especially what we heard last Friday

in regard to the.

Supreme

Court

decision

legalizing

same

-sex

marriage?

And we're

going

to

be.

Going to a break right now.

If you have any questions for our guest, Rondra Locke, who is the pastor of the First Baptist

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen, if you've just tuned us in.

Our guest today is Pastor Ron Gerlach, and he is the pastor of First Baptist Church of

Brooklyn in Maryland, and we are discussing today the hijacking

of the civil rights movement by the homosexual left, and just

because of the fact that it makes it more relevant as far as our discussion is concerned,

our guest today, Pastor Locke, is a black pastor.

He also happens to be a conservative Baptist and a

believer in the doctrines of sovereign grace.

Once again, our email address, if you have any questions, is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com,

C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

We do have a listener in Dublin, Ireland, Joe, who

actually has recommended his pastor for a future interview, because as many of you

may know, same -sex marriage has already been legalized in Ireland, and

he thinks that this would be a good program, and we will definitely look into this, Joe.

We thank you for listening in Ireland and for sending us the email.

That's Dublin, Ireland, and hope to develop a program with your pastor

there in Dublin at the Reformed Baptist Church there.

And again, our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

We do have another listener in Fort Myers, Florida.

His name is Mike, and he asks, given the faulty recent Supreme Court decision on

same -sex marriage, what pastoral advice would you give conservative evangelical Christians

to go about discussion in the marketplace, if and when the subject is broached by those, whether

they be a confessing believer or not, who support the new law?

Thank you and blessings.

Could you give some pastoral advice on how to speak on this issue in the public

marketplace, Pastor Locke?

If

you

are,

you

have

to be

coming

in,

none

of

that

is

possible.

And we do have another listener, Jacob in Lansdale, Pennsylvania.

I was curious about what you and Ron Jour think about countering Christians who support same

-sex marriage and are convinced that this Supreme Court ruling is a victory for civil

rights for Christians.

Now, that doesn't seem to make sense to me, but I personally don't think that a born

-again believer in Jesus Christ, who has the Holy Spirit dwelling within them,

could possibly support same -sex marriage.

You might have some that have different political understandings on how the government has authority over marriages

and that kind of thing, but if you could respond, Ron Jour.

Attempt

to...

Yeah, a lot of people who say that they're Christian, and a lot of them, all they mean by that is

that they're not Jewish or Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist, and they celebrate Christmas and

Easter and may have been raised with some kind of a nominal

background where their parents told them something about the Jesus story in the manger or whatever,

but these people are not truly disciples of Christ.

They're not born -again believers in His Word and followers

of His teachings, correct?

Unique

for

my...

Yeah, and I believe that a lot of this misconception about what Christianity

is comes from people who have a TV,

movie, or greeting card understanding of Jesus that is only

humility, love, compassion, gentleness, meekness, mildness.

They forget that the baby that was in the manger is no longer a baby, and

when he returns, he will be a wrathful judge, and they can seem to completely

forget or purposely eliminate that entire aspect of Christ's

anger and wrath towards sin and towards sinners.

And we do have Ted in Tuscaloosa, Alabama listening who wants to know if I'm

interviewing the guy who played first base for the Expos in the 70s,

Ron Jorlach.

No, that's a different person.

And leave it up to a guy from Tuscaloosa to ask that question, but anyway...

Well, we're going to be going to our final break right now.

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Jorlach, if you have a question for Pastor Ron Jorlach, please email

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Welcome back, this is Chris Zarnes, and if you've just tuned in to Iron Sharpens Iron, our guest today is Pastor Ranjour Locke,

who is pastor of First Baptist Church of Brooklyn, Maryland, and we are discussing the

hijacking of the civil rights movement by the homosexual left in a response

to last Friday's horrific decision by the Supreme Court legalizing same

-sex marriage.

And I did say horrific, not terrific.

And we do have a listener from Toronto, Canada, Brian, who

says, I chatted with a Christian who supported same -sex marriage, but he only supported it for the reason

that he believed all should have freedom.

But at the same time, his theology was against same -sex marriage.

I've seen him as more confused than not being a Christian.

I pointed out that the Bible calls Christians ambassadors, and as ambassadors for Christ, we must

uphold what our King says.

He has seen my point, and as far as I know, changed his mind about supporting same -sex marriage.

So that was more of a comment than a question, but I think it's a good one that, as I even

said in my initial response to the earlier question, there are people, for instance, libertarians

who are born -again Christians who are very, very conservative and in many points would be

more to the right than your average Republican, but who

believe that the government should be so small that they shouldn't even be meddling in anybody's marriage.

So there you have, I think that that somewhat touches on this person's belief.

But what do you have to say about what our listener Brian in Toronto, Canada had to say?

Mm

-hmm,

right, right.

Yeah, they've

had

to

redefine

exactly what marriage is,.

And it's almost like saying we demand the right for men to give birth to babies.

Well, you can't because that's just not what giving birth means.

It's impossible.

So therefore, no matter what a ceremony or a pledge may be between two

men or two women, it's not a marriage.

Help out.

No,

I

do

understand.

Now we do

have

another

listener,.

Johnny in Ridgewood, Queens, New York, who says, how do you respond to the argument that

the Bible is completely silent on same -sex marriage?

And that is quite a ridiculous argument, isn't it?

Because if the Bible clearly condemns homosexuality, then there's no way that it could.

Be condoning same -sex marriage.

But if you

could further

comment.

Yeah, I would -.

Are you there, Rondreau?

You disappeared there.

Yeah, but you did cut out, so I didn't hear like half of your sentence.

Homosexuality, but he

did

explicitly

speak.

When the Bible is absolutely clear,

came

one

flesh.

Yeah, homosexuality

is okay.

But the problem, of course,

is

And you and I both saw the MAFA

21 DVD, which is a

If those of you listening have not seen MAFA 21, you must see it.

It's spelled M -A -A -F -A 21.

It's about the origins of the abortion industry and then specifically Planned

Parenthood and the racist roots of this horrific practice, this

genocide of children or infanticide.

What was said during that documentary is that a lot of the

people in the limelight of the black civil rights movement today have

really sold their souls to the Democratic Party because of

the fact that they know that they would not receive a penny of financial aid for their own

campaigns and their own activities if they were to begin to speak out against not only abortion,

but same -sex marriage.

Now, same -sex marriage didn't come up in the MAFA DVD documentary, but I'm

applying it now.

Do you think that that is a reason why the blacks in the limelight of

the civil rights movement, the ones that you see most often in the media, do you think that's why they're silent on the issue?

Unprecedented.

Yes, exactly.

And we're out of time right now.

I'm sorry, Pastor, and we thank you so much for being on the program.

1stbaptistbrooklyn .org is his website.