California's Totalitarianism, Then Calls on Racialism, JWs, OT Scholarship, and Much More

California AB 2943, Totalitarianism, and the Collapse of Moral Law

Up there and Greetings, welcome to the dividing line today. We're just going to cover one one topic and then open the lines at eight seven seven seven five three three three four one haven't done that for a couple of programs and Everyone seems to like to do that for some odd strange reason.

So eight seven seven seven five three three Three four one is the phone number, you know, it would have been smart of me to have actually maybe Put the phones thing together before we got started, but we'll we'll take care of that as we go along Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one the topic that I somehow Did not address On the last program I've we covered enough don't you think that was there was there was a lot on that program I Don't know when I started using the term It was a very long time ago.

Well before we had video cameras in this room and I think before we started even before we even came over here while we were still doing stuff back it in my office someplace Long long ago. But the homosexual movement I Used the term long ago.

I said these folks do not want equal rights they want uber rights and We are most definitely seeing that today over and over and over again, I mean you know when I first started utilizing that kind of terminology the idea of Profaning marriage and All the the gender identity stuff just wasn't even Wasn't even on on the horizon for me anyways, and I don't think the vast majority of everybody else in this audience either and yet here we are and We are facing an incredible situation in our in our day and so a few weeks ago when I saw an article about AB 2943 A bill in the California state legislature written by and submitted by homosexual Assemblyman Evan Lowe.

You know you hear about this stuff and there have been times in the past when You know We've we've heard of weird strange stuff being introduced and then it dies in committee or it doesn't pass or something and then You know, it comes back the next year or the next year or the next year just keeps coming back until it's finally a thing.

Well, you know when you first start hearing this you're like, well, that's what's gonna happen again but then it goes through committee and then it goes through the House and it goes to the Senate and it goes to the Senate's and and of course in California There's no you're supposed to have some guy at the top that has some sense of what's right and wrong and What is not going to pass?

Constitutional muster and things like that, but you don't have that in California, so There there really isn't there really I can't see any controls in in California. The assembly you have a one-party system and once you have one party rule that that party just could care less what not only what the other side is concerned about but What has been true in the past you get to you know again, it's I hate to keep telling people to do this, but if for some reason you're one of the last people on the planet that have not read Brave New World in 1984 both because we're sort of Mishmashing them together with a little Fahrenheit 451 thrown in for the fun of it you need to read these things because that's where we are and Once you've got the all-powerful state and this shouldn't surprise anybody as Christians.

We should this is this is just such basic stuff when you When you concentrate power in the hands of one particular group. Given our biblical understanding of something called total depravity. You know just just read the prophecy of Jeremiah and note his insight into the heart of man, and then just.

But what we what we don't do. Is we a lot of us that have just been taught we we read the Bible we have our faith and we we keep it over here and then we go over here and we talk about government and We've been taught.

Oh, you're supposed to do that. Yeah separation of church and state you see but the anthropology that we believe over here has to be just as true over there and. So it was a good thing in the history of the United States to diffuse power.

To spread it out even things like the Electoral College actually had their initial root in Judeo-christian concepts of mankind you're diffusing power you're you're putting blocks in the way of people who would Seek to use their power to overthrow.

The very governmental system that was being put in place and so it shouldn't shock us really when we see someone like Evan Lowe and the homosexual lobby. And the totalitarian leftists, let's just call them what they are the communists.

The Marxists who are running the state of California. Which by the way, they're now now collecting collecting signatures for Cal Exit and You know, everybody goes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right that's pretty much they thought when Brexit started too, so Boy, I don't know what that would mean.

It's fascinating to think about it. I mean a lot of us have sort of wished the San Andreas Fault would just sort of open up and and California drift off to China where it belongs anyways as far as its politics go.

Sorry for those of you in California that are still Americans, but your state isn't that's for sure. Anyway, it does does make you make you think You know withdraw all the the US government money and all the military and stuff out of California.

And and just watch what happens it's just I mean it'd be a disaster obviously. They they couldn't defend themselves. They couldn't police themselves. They're already in so much debt. It's it you know, they'd be bankrupt in three seconds.

They are bankrupt. But hey, you know sometimes you just see what's going on and and and Culturally, you just want yeah, you guys you guys go someplace else float on up to Canada or something. You know.

Maybe we could you know get Alaska to float down and take their place and become seafront property or something. That'd be nice. Anyway The stuff going on and over there is is absolutely positively Amazing to observe but it makes sense.

Once you have a one-party system no controls Willingness to just thumb your nose at the at the Constitution and everything else. Hey, and that's what's gonna be happening everywhere. I I Read it before I'm not gonna read it again, but You know John Adams is right.

The Constitution was designed for religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate to the governments of any other. This is not a religious immoral people any longer. I don't think the Constitution is gonna work in this situation.

I just don't I can't see how it can and what we're seeing in. You know, we've been given a couple years respite with Justice Gorsuch but There's gonna be a wild-eyed socialist Democrat in the White House before long and Every wild-eyed socialist Liberal on the courts gonna resign so as to be replaced by even wilder eyed folks and then the conservatives can't live forever and They will own the court.

They already own the justice system and All those protections that you've been you've been thinking are yours in the amendments first or second. You can't there's words on on a piece of paper once you no longer believe words have meaning once your your oath to protect and defend Is to protect and defend only whatever you feel like protecting and defending.

Because I mean that's that's the whole thing today, isn't it for it for everything? You are whatever you think you are. You can be a woman today and a man tomorrow and something in between and 48 different things and it's whatever's what's there.

What's going on between your ears if that's all that that matters. There is no objective truth. That worldview cannot continue to uphold the Constitution United States or any meaningful set of Western values at all it is incapable of Becoming anything but 1984 brave new world Fahrenheit 451 craziness dystopian nuttery and now of course we have the technology To make all of those books Look like child's play.

Come Lord Jesus is what I think many of us are saying and so we see this this bill and We see very quickly. Right now what you're seeing are people saying no, no, no, no, it's not gonna mean this it's not gonna mean that we're not banning The Bible we're not no it's not gonna mean this that and then the other side goes.

Um, have you read it? Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean the author himself says it's not intended. How many how many times do we have to go through this? You know when when when if we're gonna pass legislation on same-sex marriage and no one's gonna be that's not gonna force a by you do Anything and then six months later you're bringing cake bakers and Photographers up on charges and going.

Oh, we said that I don't remember saying that and it just happens over and over and over and over again, you know. We look at the situation with this poor child in in the United States United Kingdom.

All the death panels are come on you people. You're just trying to scare people and then you end up with people in silly-looking wigs saying that doesn't matter if Everything's been paid for to take this child someplace else for for medical treatment stuff.

That doesn't matter. Just got just got to stay here and die. That's the state. That's yeah, and this this the young generation is just going yeah, we like the state state goods. We we follow state state take care of us.

That's what happens when you don't I mean you these these people can't look 70 years in the past. Or less. I mean this in the in the in the case of of East Germany, for example, they can't look 25 years in the past 30 years in the past.

It's astounding it really really is and so it you know, we keep saying it's coming it's coming no, it's here it is it is now a Situation where what's gonna happen? Is this thing is going to become law and When you make something that is fundamentally immoral law.

Then you destroy The moral fabric of law and its power to curb evil and you turn law into something that actually Encourages evil and That's what these people want to do anyways, that's their worldview to begin with.

So what's going to happen is very shortly after this. You are Going to have some event. You're gonna have a conference. You're going to have a speaker. I mean, I'll be honest with you if if someone were to Say, you know, you know we for a long time we've tried to arrange a debate Where Michael Brown and I would debate Dr. Brownson and another.

You know Someone else who would Matthew Vines or something in a two-on-two debate on the subject of homosexuality. I don't know that that would be wise to do in the state of California. I mean if what you want to do is actually do the debate and see the debate Widely disseminated.

That might not be the place where you want to do it unless you want to be the person Who is going to invest? Most of their waking moments for the next few years. Taking your case to the Supreme Court.

Risking what would happen over those next few years. I mean, let's say and if you think this isn't a Possibility you're living in in in La La Land, let's say Two years from now a Younger Bernie Sanders is elected as president United States.

And if you don't think that's not possibility, you're just like I said, you're just not even watching. You're not even thinking. So Let's say your your court Process has already started. You've done something in California.

You've preached clearly from 1st Corinthians chapter 6 you have told people that Jesus Christ can in fact Deliver you from the sinful behavior of homosexuality and you've put that in a book at a conference and therefore it falls under the fraud legislation and you have been Charged with a crime under AB 2943 and You have appealed and of course you've you lose in the Ninth Circuit immediately, you know, you don't even bother.

I mean just the Ninth Circuit is. You don't even don't even go there. Oh, well you have to I realize By the time it gets to the Supreme Court It could be six three seven two Of people that I don't believe for a second could care less.

What the Constitution says the Constitution is whatever they think it is there's already four people on the court pretty much that that's the way it is and So just takes one or two more and that's it that's it you lose and First amendments gone Second amendment will go right after it or before it one of the two they they're there so they'll sort of go together and There you go.

So who's gonna do it? You know, I know of a Reformed Baptist Church right there in Sacramento a matter of blocks from the the black hole vortex of lunacy Called the state legislature. You know. Don't don't for a second think that every Bible believing pastor in the state of, California Will not have it in the back of their mind and this is their this is their purpose.

This is their reasoning. They are trying to chill the freedom the expression they want to silence the other side. And if they can do it the easy way rather than the hard way they'll do it Is not thinking about these things when they When they choose the texts are going to be preaching.

If they are doing a book study. When they get to Leviticus 18 Leviticus 20 Genesis 18 or 19 Romans 1 first Corinthians 6 first Timothy 1 The temple prostitutes sections in first second Kings or whatever else it might be.

The thought is gonna cross their mind. Will I will I bankrupt my church in in seeking to defend itself simply for a single sermon and Obviously, there's a bunch of people that will go I will do what I need to do, but there's a Big group of other people that are sort of a little bit more squishy.

They're gonna go. No, I'm not even gonna think about it. And that way you you silence speech you you push it you push the narrative your direction and That's just all there is to it that's that's what's going on so We have prayed for many years Lord protect us from evil men and women in positions of power and We continue to pray that.

But we recognize that when you live in a nation that is under the judgment of God. When you live in a culture that is under the judgment of God. That those texts in for example Hebrews you have not yet Resisted under the point of the shedding of blood you but you had they had already experienced the Taking of their physical possessions and they they did so with joy.

So when the government shows up and padlocks your church you have no place to meet Gonna gonna stand outside and rejoice. There is a lot of prime real estate owned by Christian churches. Man, you just knock them buildings down.

You could build some pretty cool condos or government buildings on top of those sites. You could make some make some make some money. How are we going to respond to those things that's. That's really the question.

It's AB 2943. I would you know, I saw a lot of people saying you need to contact the legislators in California why. It's a one-party system. There's there's no there's no responsibility to the to the Citizens the state of California.

There's no moral or ethical foundation left In this place why contact them? They they know that they have I mean look at the people they keep electing to Congress. Um, they don't care it's irrelevant to them, you know, they may mark it down in a sheet someplace.

But that's just well, there's another wacko. We're gonna have to get rid of someday. You know, there's another person to put on the list of deportation or whatever else. Yeah, I don't know I don't know eight seven seven seven five three three three four one is The phone number that you can call eight seven seven seven five three three three four one let's start taking some of our phone calls and let's talk with David in Chicago.

Critical Race Theory, Racialism, and the Limits of Social Reconciliation

Hi David.

Good. I'm a 33 year old and I really appreciate the discussion. You've been having on so-called radical race theory.

It extremely helpful. You mean CRT critical race theory?

Yeah, it's been extremely helpful your discussion Over the last few podcasts. Now the only time I've ever experienced explicit racism was about 17 years ago and other than the encountering the black Hebrew Israelites in Philadelphia last year.

Can we leave them out of the conversation? They sort of they sort of tilt everything the wrong way. So we'll just leave them out.

Well, then again, you mean they do have the highest view count on your videos. It's been concerning to me to see sort of, you know popular scholars such as Craig Keener at Purdue University Major publishers IVP with the titles white white awake and myth of equality by Ken What's ma who was recently at Wheaton College on the same subject here?

Yeah, I read a book called Prophetic Lament by sung Chan Ra where he states that for a white person to be reconciled to African American that they would need to leave their church and become and come under the spiritual Authority of a black pastor and this would go a long way into somehow reconciling themselves.

But I just I don't know I just want to hear your comments on that as an aside it's like well yeah, I just panic what what would I what would I do if where I I'm at a Predominantly white church. I really doesn't come to my mind.

Should I? Start Bringing up grievances of the Alamo or something. It just sounds this whole thing is just worth it.

I I don't I don't know. Well, I like to say I don't know what the Endgame is but I I think at least politically and socially I know what the endgame is. That's the problem I have in the importation of these political social categories into the church is that It doesn't fit because it fundamentally contradicts the oneness we have in Christ the fact that these Issues have been reconciled in Christ already and so if we're trying to say that this group needs to be in a constant state of repentance toward another group and Okay, how often how long is is it a one-time thing?

Is it a penance type thing? Just just what is it and I don't get answers to that. And so, you know There are Issues my understanding I could be wrong about this my understanding in many of the major cities For example, is that there is strong animosity between Hispanics and blacks in some of the in some of the gang groups and things like that.

So what happens if you end up with a well in our church? We have black church members and we have Hispanic church members and should there be some kind of special pastoral Application of seeking to make sure the Hispanic members and the black members are Doing proper penance toward one another or something, you know I we've never even considered these things because we've always assumed it was a given that when you break bread together at the Lord's table Everyone's seated at the same table and and all those things are under the blood of the cross and therefore there's there Shouldn't be these divisions, but you do wonder exactly what it is is supposed to take place and so last week I was directed to a book that was recommended by David Platt at t4g To called divided by faith.

It's it's an older book actually interestingly enough. I think it was 2002 somewhere around there Which doesn't sound very old to me, but you you know what I mean and It's it's not a Christian book. I don't think the authors are Christians in any in any fashion, but it was recommended to everybody as Being extremely enlightening on this subject.

And so I took the time. I bought it. I mentioned this in the last program I finished it up yesterday and you know, it's it's by sociologists. So all of the solutions are Sociological there's no understanding of the gospel.

There's no understanding of reconciliation. There's no understanding of forgiveness. There's no understanding of regeneration. There's no understanding of biblical anthropology. All those things are missing which obviously means it has very limited utility to Christians and yet it is one of the main books being suggested to people and part of the alleged solutions echo what you just said and that was one of the chapters talked about In they interviewed lots and lots of people and said so would you be in favor of this kind of means of Combating racialism or that kind of means and one of them was in essence a forced or governmental Integration of neighborhoods and This was one of the things that was being suggested.

And so when you listen to what some of the Individuals within the church are saying then you're gonna hear what you just mentioned and that is well there needs to almost be a quota system and so if if you are a guilty if you're guilty of whiteness then the penance the proper thing that would show your penance would be to Put yourself under the authority of someone who doesn't have whiteness now, I'm not sure if that Cleanses you of your whiteness or if it just shows that you have a proper Understanding of the wrongness of whiteness.

I I don't know. I'm not exactly sure how that works, but That kind of thinking is out there and I've I said a few weeks ago In talking about this what my concern is is is if this is exported outside the United States, this is a very American perspective and one of the things that really bugged me about the book was it it focused solely upon white black issues and I Live in Phoenix for crying out loud.

So, you know, there's there's a huge Hispanic population here and you just you you just get used to it. It's not like it's I mean, that's what you grow up with that's what I've grown up with since I moved here in sixth grade and and you hardly even see it anymore as far as your your personal relationships with people go, but When you transport this outside the United States to South Africa or other places It could create divisions that are not even there right now that no one even Experiences where the churches are already so far past this That it's that it's not even funny and yet if you've got people like David Platt and and Chandler and and big big big names even John Piper and Mark Dever and others promoting these kinds of books and these kinds of Concepts then it is gonna go out the outside the United States and could end up creating division where there currently isn't any.

Because outside the United States there's evidently been a little more in the way of maturity in recognizing what the real basis of our fellowship in Christ is so I Don't know what the endgame is because this is primarily as a sociological political movement that Only has very radical Concepts as its final outcome and it you apply it to the church and it makes no sense.

There's it's destructive of the gospel. That's one of the things that's really concerning to people.

You know, what's the endgame and how do I even know I reached the threshold of being reconciled? That's just answers that you'll never get but much appreciated for the response. Okay. Thank you, sir. God bless.

Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. Hmm. All right. Jack in Kentucky hijack.

Hi, dr. White, I just wanted to say before I start you have been such a blessing to me. Personally, I've been listening to you for a few years now and it's just been very edifying. Well, thank you. About a week ago. I was reading I got a book called stories from ancient Canaan and it has four texts I think they're called Bugarit text.

Which basically show the religion of Baal and the author who translated it is kind of making the argument that The Old Testament Was a polytheistic text first and then sort of became a monotheistic text after being edited by later authors.

And I just want to preface this that doesn't make any sense to me Given that Genesis kind of only makes sense in a monotheistic framework, but oh Jack Jack Jack.

You're just being too simple here. I Went to Fuller seminary, so I've. I've heard this for a long time.

What are the other major liberal claims about the Old Testament and why do they have so much sway?

We I've said a number of times we Pretty much gave the Old Testament to the liberals about 150 years ago. And there are still few good conservative Christian scholars out there. But even what used to be our trustworthy Christian publishers don't tend to look to them.

They tend to To look to others and that's why I've often said going into a Christian bookstore is one of the danger most dangerous places you can go. And the the commentary section is one of the most dangerous places you can go because you assume unfortunately wrongly that what you're gonna buy there is being written by Bible-believing people when in reality so much of that material Comes from a very different worldview and that's especially true unfortunately of Old Testament scholarship today.

And so the vast majority of Old Testament scholarship is based upon some form of the JEDP Theory the graph Wellhausen theory. Which all this stuff developed at the same time in out of German rationalism and and things like that.

It's a application of naturalistic principles to the text of the Old Testament beginning with the assumption That the New Testament writers and especially Jesus himself were all washed up and wrong about their view of the Old Testament.

Even though many of those people would still call themselves Christians interestingly enough. And so once you look at the Old Testament text something is written by 40 different authors. Oh, and of course from their perspective probably 400 different authors over.

Well, we would say 1 ,500 years. They would say over maybe 500 years between maybe 200 to 700 is as far as as most of them would go but once once you are free of any controlling authority that says You need to look at the Old Testament as a whole you need to operate within the parameters of even Jesus's own teaching about the Old Testament once you're free to atomize it and cut it into parts then what.

The limit there are no limits. And so when you say, you know, what else is out there everything? I mean pretty much everything if you go. And just scan the Old Testament titles of Papers presented for the past five or ten years at SBL Society for Biblical Literature.

Just look at the Old Testament stuff scan. All you gotta do is you don't even have to read the papers. You just look at the titles of papers and you will Sit there staring and drooling at the insanity.

That is that is Old Testament scholarship today. I mean Everything you'd expect intersectionality homosexuality this book as erotic literature in regards to Yahweh and other gods and Everything that you could ever find is going to be out there someplace.

Because there are no rules so you can take any author you can take any book and you can just simply Theorize that the form we have today was edited in this way this way this way in this way you don't have to provide anything in.

As far as hard data is concerned because because we're talking about such ancient literature. You only have manuscripts back to the Dead Sea Scrolls. So anything before that? Yeah, once in a while. We'll find a scrap here a scrap there, but pretty much.

Once you push back past that point then you can just engage in theoretical reconstruction of anything. And that's how you get published. That's how you do your dissertations. That's how you get published.

You got to come up with something new you're if you're just simply trying to defend orthodoxy or say, yeah. You know what what Christians or even Jews have always believed about this is actually true.

It's gonna get you nowhere. So the very way we do scholarship in much of Western thought. The only thing that's gonna get published is something that's new and normally what's new is heretical. And so that's where it got started.

That's where it continues. And so the idea that. Well, I can tell you back in 1997 or 8 Richard Mao then president of fuller seminary Did a live thing this is really Back and in in the day when when internet stuff was just starting.

He did a live thing and I actually asked him about the idea of more because he's been big into dialogue with Mormons without really challenging Mormonism in any significant way and I mentioned the monotheism in the Old Testament.

His response was exactly what you read. Well, it wasn't originally in monotheistic text. It eventually became a monotheistic text. There are polytheistic texts in the Old Testament, there are henotheistic texts in the Old Testament.

Then you've you've got monotheistic texts, but the monotheistic texts are later on. So you stratify the Old Testament. You've got the Yahweh's the Elohim, the Deuteronomist, the priestly, the JEDP sources and then of course since then you've you've had people introduce 47 other categories along with the JEDP and.

So you can just chop it up into into bits and pieces pieces and parts to do with it as you wish. And so if you ask what else is going to be heading your direction pretty much everything. Because there's there's no controls on this either once you abandon any type of meaningful understanding of what the Old Testament is and certainly the idea of allowing Jesus to have the final say Is is going to not be allowed in 98 .8 of all Old Testament studies programs in the Western world today.

Hate to say that. Didn't Alma bring up the polytheistic thing in y 'all's talk about who the real Jesus was? Yes. All right, well on that, is there any like major specific things that liberals like at the base liberal scholar of the Old Testament knows about this in particular theory and will launch it that way?

Like I heard Deutero-Isaiah is like a big one. Mm-hmm.

I'm not following the question. What about Deutero-Isaiah?

It's a major theory that I know has a lot of sway. Do all of these theories just get accepted like right away or Like what is the measure? How do you how do these theories get?

Well, I wish I wish I could say that there is this fair Process of scholarly review that keeps bringing these things up and things like that. It doesn't work that way my experience is That if you go to a conservative seminary You will unfortunately have to spend a lot of your time learning a lot about what the liberals believe.

If you go to a liberal seminary, you will not spend a moment of your time Learning about what people used to believe or what people continue to believe on the other side of the aisle you it's an Echo-chamber complete echo-chamber.

So think of think of the modern liberal University secular University echo-chamber. And it's the same thing in liberal Seminaries and so it's not that there have not been Thorough and consistent critiques of this liberalism From conservatives over the years.

It's that the liberals don't read conservatives. They don't care what we have to say every liberal I've ever debated John Shelby Spong John Dominic Cross and Marcus Borg Bart Ehrman. Well, he's not really a liberal.

He's an agnostic but Didn't had not even googled my name I had never read a word that I said because they don't believe that there we have anything meaningful to say and So it's a one-way street. And so if you were trained in a liberal seminary, it's all you've ever heard it's it's just a given in your mind that This is the Enlightenment view.

This is what we've come to know and the other guys on the other side are just closing their their minds and of course, they can point to some of the Fundamentalistic responses and some fundamentalistic type schools where they have the same attitude in reverse.

You don't read anything from liberal that'll that'll you know cause you to grow horns and read something other than the King James. So they use those extremely rare Examples of that and then do not interact with the entire spectrum of believing Evangelical scholarship reform scholarship that has responded to these things and so there just isn't a whole lot of communication going on and that's why it becomes our responsibility to Educate ourselves on these issues and to think presuppositionally to examine What is being said what we're being told?

Presuppositionally and be able to identify the foundational assumptions. I think that I think I can pretty certainly say now after all these years that that's why The Lord had me go to Fuller Seminary is that's where I learned to do that.

I had to there was no other game in town Did not have the money to go anyplace else the ministry was already started had a had a kid on the way. That was all I could do and It wasn't fun and it wasn't enjoyable in the sense that it might have been to go to some place where I would have had more Consistency with the viewpoints of the professors and things like that.

By the way, I had some conservative profs because I went to the Phoenix Extension. So I'm not saying everybody was like that, but I did have to learn to Listen and Evaluate and to do so presuppositionally dig out the gems and throw away the dross and We all have to do that today.

All right. Last question. Do you know any conservative Old Testament? Scholars who actually deal and with and take apart these things because I'm just not familiar with them. Could you like direct me toward them because I would really well.

There there are books it depends on what you're talking about you got to remember that. Most of the time in most of scholarship if for example, if you're looking at JEDP, then you're gonna find Articles they're gonna deal with elements.

It trying to find books is is difficult. You're generally focused upon finding articles you if you if you look into Some of the conservatives like Lisa Archer and people like that. They will have bibliographies.

Everybody needs to learn how to mine. You know when you find a really good book on a on a related subject Then mining it that is its bibliography and its footnotes or end notes depending on the form is that is just a extremely important skill to be able to To find your your resources in that way I do I know where in the other room.

I have some various books Related to this but off top my head I'd have to go digging them up and and drag them out to give you some specifics, but if you if you go to Some of the current Now remember I could I could you know, I could say hey go to Such-and-such seminary find out who's teaching Old Testament there look at their books, but you'd be surprised If I mentioned even some seminaries that we would have general Agreement with especially the Old Testament Department, you've got to be really careful.

So You know, but but places like masters you know you you talk to their Old Testament people and They're gonna they're gonna be able to you know Their books are gonna be where you're gonna find the bibliographies that are you give you?

And of course their bibliographies are going to include liberal sources because they study liberal sources. But the footnotes and the quotes especially are where you'll be able to find a lot of the good stuff I had a student Did a master's with me in Columbia.

I was his mentor a number of years ago Colin Smith that did a real good paper on the JEDP stuff, which I Think we posted. I'm not sure Did we put Colin Smith's? JEDP paper on the on the blog. I don't I don't remember Rich is looking so we'll we'll see but that's the best way to find that kind of information.