February 2, 2017 Show with Ron Glass on “Why Millenials Are Leaving the Church”

Proverbs 27:17 and the Purpose of Christian Conversation

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arnz in your host of iron sharpens iron. Wishing you all a happy Thursday on the second day of February 2017 and we are taking a break from airing the G3 conference interviews the ones that I interviewed or I should say the the ones I conducted on Site there at the Georgia International Convention Center in Atlanta between January 19th and the 21st.

I Conducted quite a number of these interviews with not only Speakers who were on the roster there at the g3 conference But also some of the folks who were just guests in the audience some were pastors just and some were just listeners of iron sharpens iron.

Some whom I have heard from regularly who emailed questions Quite often to our guests and some that I had never known existed. It was quite a pleasure Meeting people from all over the United States and even the United Kingdom Who listen regularly to iron sharpens iron.

So today we are actually Taking a bit of a break from that and we will resume airing those Interviews God willing even as a part of live broadcasts with other guests tomorrow but today we are having the honor and privilege of having one of my dearest friends and one of my most Enthusiastic supporters of iron sharpens iron pastor Ron glass is our guest today he is the senior pastor of wading River Baptist Church in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, and he is also a former adjunct professor of Bible exposition at Talbot School of Theology.

Why Millennials Are Leaving the Church

We are going to discuss something that's very important today. Why Millennials are leaving the church and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron my dear friend passed a wrong glass and Before we go into the subject at hand Why don't you let our listeners know.

Because I have been noticing that we have been getting new listeners to this program nearly every week. And for those of our listeners who have never heard you on this program before I'd like you to tell them something about Wading River Baptist Church and for those of you who want to find out more about that church you can go to Wrbc dot us.

Wrbc which stands for wading River Baptist Church Dot us and I can say without hesitation That I believe pastor Ron glass is one of the finest Preachers and Bible expositors I have ever heard in my life.

I have the honor and privilege of editing His sermons to fit into two Half-hour programs as a part of his own weekly broadcast the River of Life broadcast which is aired in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York on.

WGB.

Broadcasting or network. WGB stands for Eastgate broadcasting and Do you know exactly the website where people can listen to that live streaming? Okay, well I will find that out as we speak and I will Make sure that I announce that If you could also very briefly.

I typically do this when I'm interviewing someone. If they could give if you could give a summary of your own Religion of your upbringing. You're the religion of your youth If any and how you came providentially to embrace Jesus Christ and his is Perfect everlasting gospel of saving grace.

Well, I found out that the Eastgate broadcasting.

Website where you can hear the program that pastor Ron Glass is the host of. Every weekend, it's Eastgate broadcasting calm. Eastgate Broadcasting calm. They are also known as faith FM radio. And you can hear a pastor Ron Glass every Saturday morning at 930 on faith FM Eastgate broadcasting calm and also you can hear pastor Ron the following day every Sunday.

And What time are you airing on Sundays? 7 30 p .m. So I hope that you all begin listening regularly to River of Life. Hosted by Pastor Ron Glass. These are his sermons from his pulpit at Waiting River Baptist Church.

And as I was saying earlier, I have the honor and privilege to Edit those programs to make them fit into two separate half-hour Broadcasts of River of Life. So I'm sure we'll be getting back to that.

To plug that towards the end of the program. So our listeners won't forget and Today you have chosen a topic That you wanted to discuss why Millennials are leaving the church if you could explain exactly why you wanted to address this issue.

And just to define terms here millennial referring to the the turn of the century as we entered the third millennium in the year 2000. How do you do you categorize that term the same way that? The person you're quoting defines a millennial.

Okay, I usually don't take a listener. Question or comment this early, but I do have a listener. Who is a camp campus staff member at Dickinson College in Carlisle, Pennsylvania he is with inter varsity Christian Fellowship and He actually just sent in a comment that I wanted you to address at the at the very outset of our discussion and he says his name is Andrew and He says as a minister at two local colleges with inter varsity Christian Fellowship USA.

I do have many thoughts on this subject. Thanks for discussing it my one piece of advice do not underestimate Millennials. I've seen more students become Christians in the past two years than in the ten years before and that's true nationally for many of my colleges as We enter a post-christian era in America.

Young people are hungrier than ever for the gospel and are tuning or in our turning to Jesus in droves. Moreover once they do start following Jesus, they're often more passionate about evangelism than their parents ever were.

It's true that Millennials are indeed leaving the church overall, but there are still some bright spots. Thanks, and God bless Andrew Berg campus staff member. Dickinson College intervarsity Christian Fellowship.

I wanted your comments on what and I mean, I'm quite sure that that's true and I appreciate him writing in because why.

My.

I'm praying for excited about that possibility, but the point that this running away from the church. No, but right, you know, it's kind of it. I'm sorry. No, according to this riot, right? There may be a difference of opinion, you know actually works with them.

But it strikes me and of course, I don't want to belittle anybody else's experience. Because I am NOT a millennial I am going to be 55 years old in just about a week and So I'm coming from a whole different point of view here, but the the first of the twelve nobody's listening to us.

I'm shocked by hearing that because it seems that Churches are bending over backwards to I think in unbiblical extreme to cater to this Age group. They are designing everything they do to appease them in their tastes and music in.

Their.

Make that make the atmosphere most Comfortable for them and I don't even understand that that first. Well, I agree with you Chris.

I agree with you. Absolutely, but that's not what they mean. Here's what he says with regard to this Millennials value voice. And Rick ever asking we get the message loud and clear. Nobody cares what we think.

Why then should we blindly serve and it why should we blindly serve an institution that we cannot? Change or shape in other words. They want to run the show. That's what it comes down to and I just asked the question.

Well, is this really their objective? And in fact, I would ask the question of a millennial who thinks this way. Why do you want to change it? Why is it that you want to serve an institution that you was a young person?

Do you have a right to step in. Do you have a right to step into it with the understanding? Assumption or desire. That you are going to shape it. That you are going to change it. Now you see when when he poses solutions to on leadership teams or advisory board.

Good scripture. And I guess one of they're not called elders for nothing.

Who's thinking the same thing.

Yeah, in fact the Bible warns against laying hands on someone to suddenly.

Someone.

Inexperienced and so on.

Dictated by. They're very much. In fact, we have a listener right in near your backyard.

Tyler and mastic Beach, Long Island, New York. Wants to know why is it that so many evangelicals are Curtailing their ministry towards younger people Forgetting that God is a respecter of no persons.

Pretty simple. Well, we're gonna go our first break right now if anybody would like to join us on the air.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. We do already have a few people waiting to have their questions asked and answered and we'll get to you as soon as we can. When we return from the break.

Please give us at least your first name. The city and state where you reside and the country where you reside if you live outside of the USA. And by the way, Andrew Berg with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship.

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Our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. If you have any questions Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Tyler and mastic Beach Long Island has a follow-up Comment. Really he says also since these younger people ultimately want leadership positions.

Would it be safe to say that they do not like authority and that they are in rebellion to God who designed the.

Ecclesiastical structure of the church. All right before we go on to our next point that you want to make in that list of 12.

We have Jerry in Charlestown, New Hampshire. Who says scripture? Clearly teaches that parents are to play a central role in faithfully catechizing their children. For instance Paul tells us in Ephesians 6 that fathers are being up there are bringing up.

I think he meant to say are bringing up their children in the fear and instruction of the Lord. And Then in Deuteronomy 6 God instructs his people that parents are to faithfully teach their children When you sit in your house walk on the way lie down rise up, etc.

These are just a few of many such verses. Do you think American evangelical parents have been faithful in keeping this God-given charge or have we in general? Abdicated this Responsibility and expect others to fill the gap ie youth pastors Sunday school teachers, etc.

What role has this played in the apostasy of my generation fellow Millennials if this is a problem? How can we reverse this trend? Oh, so Jerry is actually I'm assuming a millennial himself writing this.

Well, if you'd like to move on to the next in our list.

We're sick of hearing about values and mission statements. That's interesting.

What they are. Love the Lord love God love others. Because he goes on to say why does every church we all one body in Christ? He says what we need to stop wasting time on the religious. Impressed with the hours you brag about spending behind closed doors.

Is that our job spend our time when you talk about them? But that's not what they're talking about. What we call not even talking is in us. Recognize the disciples of all of the nation churches and teaching them everything that Jesus in other words a to them.

The church is not Primarily a social the poor is opportunity extend only church for their possessions and just a church congregation. And he's not happy the numbers are not equal. In other words if the church is not spent a poor out in the world as they are doing all the other churches.

In fact, it's interesting that in John 12.

When.

Jesus's feet are being Anointed with very expensive perfume. Judas Iscariot the one who betrayed Christ Got very upset by that and he.

Said.

Why was this perfume not sold for 300 denarii and given to poor people? Now he said this not because he was concerned about the poor. But because he was a thief and as he had the money box He used to pilfer what he used to put he he was put into it.

Therefore Jesus said let her alone so that she may keep it. For the day of my burial for you always have the poor with you, but you do not always have me. I think that there can be an application there of the centrality of Christ in the mission of the church being even above.

Providing for the poor obviously Jesus talked about providing for the poor a lot, but that's not to be the primary mission of the church. I'm sorry. Did you get cut off there? No, I'm sorry.

I just said I think you would probably agree with me. That's nothing helping me.

Ministering to the poor is not the church's primary. All right, exactly. And we do have a listener in London, England Kofi who actually I had the privilege of meeting at the g3 conference when I was in Atlanta, Georgia.

Kofi who is 26 He says here in his note. Great discussion. So far as one who would technically fit in the millennial category I often find the listen to us mentality of my generation Highly disturbing but would also love to know what your learned guest feels.

Is the responsibility of the generation that raised them. With a generation raised on the idea that they can change the world and They're all special is the millennial self-emphasis as much a fault of their parents as.

Well as the generation itself, that's a very good Insight. Who could forget? The greatest love of all. That that song that topped the charts. That was actually originally the theme for the Muhammad Ali story because of his claim to be the greatest.

This song was basically telling children. Teaching children that the greatest love of all was the love that you have for yourself.

So.

If you could respond to Kofi in London's comment there. Well, thank you Kofi. And keep listening to orange sharpens iron and spreading the word in the UK about it. And we move on now to. We're tired of you blaming the culture.

Yeah, here's what he says about that. He's simple. The world is out and focus on this really teach us how to live live. Actually recommends to live our lives. Different from this way when we do you turn us off hair yourself up yourself.

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Well, we are back. Returning to our interview right now with pastor Ron glass of wading River Baptist Church. We are discussing the theme why are Millennials leaving the church and our email address if you have a question is chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris arnzen at gmail .com. And the last thing that we left our listeners with is We're tired of you blaming the culture. I don't know if you had anything further you wanted to discuss under that heading or do you want to move on pastor glass?

Blaming the Culture, Church Cliques, and the Need for Personal Responsibility

To you can't sit with us effect.

I've never been good at the church. Finds a way to be. I would like to know that we want them. We kinder. But my question to him would be what are you doing about it? What is your response. Impress me at how friendly you are?

Responsibilities that are Incumbent upon each attender. You cannot walk into and walk. How friendly. So welcome that beginning today.

Yeah, this is something that transcends any age category this is just an age-old problem when it comes to clicks and things in groups of people and since everyone in any church no matter how God-fearing and God-honoring and biblically sounded is there are sinners there.

There are sinners even in the pulpits of these churches. Because no one is perfect on this earth and therefore these kinds of problems will exist and it's it's up to us when we see them Existing somewhere to lovingly humbly and graciously Approach someone privately about these issues.

Isn't that correct?

Yeah, and. You know again, I am. I have never experienced a member who would. I guess I've heard him. I think sometimes the Millennials think that they're the only people every age by the. By the way, Pastor Ron.

I had an experience years ago in Brooklyn when visiting a church and I sat I was a visitor representing WMC a radio because that congregation happened to be the church of the week and they were going to be airing their Services on the radio and so I was visiting there for the first time sitting in a particular pew or part of the pew and All of a sudden this gentleman comes up to me with shorts black socks and sandals and a very big straw hat and Began yelling at me at the top of his lungs to get out of his seat.