February 2, 2017 Show with Ron Glass on “Why Millenials Are Leaving the Church”

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Wishing you all a happy Thursday on the second day of February

2017 and we are taking a break from airing the G3

conference interviews the ones that I interviewed or I should say the the ones I conducted on

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having the honor and privilege of having one of my dearest friends and one of my most

Enthusiastic supporters of iron sharpens iron pastor Ron glass is our guest today

he is the senior pastor of wading River Baptist Church in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, and he

is also a former adjunct professor of Bible exposition at Talbot School of Theology.

We are going to discuss something that's very important today.

Why Millennials are leaving the church and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to

iron sharpens iron my dear friend passed a wrong glass and

Before we go into the subject at hand Why don't you let our listeners know.

Because I have been noticing that we have been getting new listeners to this program nearly every week.

And for those of our listeners who have never heard you on this program before I'd like you to tell them something about

Wading River Baptist Church

and for those of you who want to find out more about that church you can go to

Wrbc dot us.

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I can say without hesitation That I believe pastor Ron glass is

one of the finest Preachers and Bible expositors I have ever heard in my life.

I have the honor and privilege of editing His sermons to fit into

two Half -hour programs as a part of his own weekly broadcast

the River of Life broadcast which is aired in Suffolk County,

Long Island, New York on.

WGB.

Broadcasting or network.

WGB stands for Eastgate broadcasting and Do you know

exactly the website where people can listen to that live streaming?

Okay, well I will find that out as we speak and I will Make sure that I announce

that If you could also very briefly.

I typically do this when I'm interviewing someone.

If they could give if you could give a summary of your own

Religion of your upbringing.

You're the religion of your youth If any and how you came providentially

to embrace Jesus Christ and his is

Perfect everlasting gospel of saving grace.

Well, I found

out that

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broadcasting.

Website where you can hear the program that pastor Ron Glass is the host of.

Every weekend, it's Eastgate broadcasting calm.

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They are also known as faith FM radio.

And you can hear a pastor Ron Glass every Saturday morning at 930

on faith FM Eastgate broadcasting calm and also you can hear

pastor Ron the following day every Sunday.

And What time are you airing on Sundays?

7 30 p .m.

So I hope that you all begin listening regularly to River of Life.

Hosted by Pastor Ron Glass.

These are his sermons from his pulpit at Waiting River Baptist Church.

And as I was saying earlier, I have the honor and privilege to Edit those

programs to make them fit into two separate half -hour Broadcasts of River of Life.

So I'm sure we'll be getting back to that.

To plug that towards the end of the program.

So our listeners won't forget and Today you have chosen a topic

That you wanted to discuss why Millennials are leaving the church if you could explain exactly why you wanted to

address this issue.

And just to define terms here millennial referring to the the turn

of the century as we entered the third millennium in the year 2000.

How do you do you categorize that term the same way that?

The person you're quoting defines a millennial.

Okay, I usually don't take a listener.

Question or comment this early, but I do have a listener.

Who is a camp campus staff member at Dickinson College in Carlisle, Pennsylvania

he is with inter varsity Christian Fellowship and He actually just sent in a comment that

I wanted you to address at the at the very outset of our discussion and

he says his name is Andrew and He says as a minister at two

local colleges with inter varsity Christian Fellowship USA.

I do have many thoughts on this subject.

Thanks for discussing it my one piece of advice do not underestimate Millennials.

I've seen more students become Christians in the past two years than in the ten years before and

that's true nationally for many of my colleges as We enter a post -christian

era in America.

Young people are hungrier than ever for the gospel and are tuning or in our turning to

Jesus in droves.

Moreover once they do start following Jesus, they're often more passionate about evangelism than their

parents ever were.

It's true that Millennials are indeed leaving the church overall, but there are still some bright spots.

Thanks, and God bless Andrew Berg campus staff member.

Dickinson College intervarsity Christian Fellowship.

I wanted your comments on what and I mean, I'm quite sure that that's true and I appreciate him

writing in because why.

My.

I'm praying for

excited

about that possibility, but

the

point

that this

running away from the church.

No, but right, you know,

it's kind

of it.

I'm sorry.

No, according to this riot, right?

There may be a difference of opinion, you know actually

works with them.

But it strikes me and of course, I don't want to belittle anybody else's experience.

Because I am NOT a millennial I am going to be 55 years old in just about a week

and So I'm coming from a whole different point of view here,

but the the first of the twelve nobody's listening to us.

I'm shocked by hearing that because it seems that Churches

are bending over backwards to I think in unbiblical extreme to cater

to this Age group.

They are designing everything they do to appease them in their tastes and music in.

Their.

Make that make the atmosphere most Comfortable for them and I don't even understand that

that first.

Well, I agree with you Chris.

I agree with you.

Absolutely, but that's not what they mean.

Here's what he says with regard to this Millennials value voice.

And Rick ever asking

we get the message loud and clear.

Nobody cares what we think.

Why then should we blindly serve and it why should we blindly serve an

institution that we cannot?

Change or shape in other words.

They want to run the show.

That's what it comes down to and I just asked the question.

Well, is this really their objective?

And in fact, I would ask the question of a millennial who thinks this way.

Why do you want to change it?

Why is it that you want to serve an institution that you was

a young person?

Do you have a right to step in.

Do you have a right to step into it with the understanding?

Assumption or desire.

That you are going to shape it.

That you are going to change it.

Now you see when when he poses

solutions to on leadership teams or

advisory board.

Good

scripture.

And I guess one of they're not

called elders for nothing.

Who's thinking the same thing.

Yeah,

in fact

the Bible

warns against

laying hands on someone to suddenly.

Someone.

Inexperienced and so on.

Dictated by.

They're very much.

In fact,

we have

a listener

right in near your backyard.

Tyler and mastic Beach, Long Island, New York.

Wants to know why is it that so many evangelicals are Curtailing their ministry towards younger

people Forgetting that God is a respecter of no persons.

Pretty simple.

Well, we're gonna go

our first

break right now if

anybody would like to join us on the air.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

We do already have a few people waiting to have their questions asked and answered and we'll get to you as soon as we can.

When we return from the break.

Please give us at least your first name.

The city and state where you reside and the country where you reside if you live outside of the USA.

And by the way, Andrew Berg with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship.

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Tyler and mastic Beach Long Island has a follow -up Comment.

Really he says also since these younger people ultimately want leadership positions.

Would it be safe to say that they do not like authority and that they are in rebellion to God

who designed the.

Ecclesiastical structure of the church.

All

right

before we go on to our next point that you want to make in that list of 12.

We have Jerry in Charlestown, New Hampshire.

Who says scripture?

Clearly teaches that parents are to play a central role in faithfully catechizing their children.

For instance Paul tells us in Ephesians 6 that fathers are being up

there are bringing up.

I think he meant to say are bringing up their children in the fear and instruction of the Lord.

And Then in Deuteronomy 6 God instructs his people that parents are to faithfully teach their children

When you sit in your house walk on the way lie down rise up, etc.

These are just a few of many such verses.

Do you think American evangelical parents have been faithful in keeping this God -given charge or

have we in general?

Abdicated this Responsibility and expect others to fill the gap ie youth

pastors Sunday school teachers, etc.

What role has this played in the apostasy of my generation fellow Millennials if

this is a problem?

How can we reverse this trend?

Oh, so Jerry is actually I'm assuming a millennial himself writing this.

Well,

if

you'd

like to

move

on to

the next in

our list.

We're sick of hearing about values and mission statements.

That's interesting.

What they are.

Love the

Lord love

God love others.

Because he goes on to

say why does every church we all one body in Christ?

He says what we need to stop wasting time

on the

religious.

Impressed with the hours you brag about spending behind closed doors.

Is

that our

job spend

our

time when

you

talk

about them?

But that's not what

they're talking about.

What we call

not even

talking

is in

us.

Recognize the disciples of all of the nation churches

and teaching them everything that Jesus in

other words

a to

them.

The church is not Primarily a

social

the poor is

opportunity extend only

church

for their

possessions and

just a church

congregation.

And

he's not happy the numbers

are

not

equal.

In other words if the church is not spent a poor out in the world as

they are doing all the other churches.

In fact, it's interesting that in John 12.

When.

Jesus's feet are being Anointed with very expensive

perfume.

Judas Iscariot the one who betrayed Christ Got very upset by that

and he.

Said.

Why was this perfume not sold for 300 denarii and given to poor people?

Now he said this not because he was concerned about the poor.

But because he was a thief and as he had the money box He used to

pilfer what he used to put he he was put into it.

Therefore Jesus said let her alone so that she may keep it.

For the day of my burial for you always have the poor with you, but you do not always

have me.

I think that there can be an application there of the centrality of Christ in the mission of

the church being even above.

Providing for the poor obviously Jesus talked about providing for the poor a lot, but that's not to be the

primary mission of the church.

I'm sorry.

Did you get cut off there?

No, I'm sorry.

I just said I think you would probably agree with me.

That's nothing helping me.

Ministering to the poor is not the church's primary.

All right, exactly.

And we do have a listener in London, England Kofi

who actually I had the privilege of meeting at the g3 conference when I was in Atlanta, Georgia.

Kofi who is 26 He says here in his note.

Great discussion.

So far as one who would technically fit in the millennial category I often

find the listen to us mentality of my generation Highly disturbing but would

also love to know what your learned guest feels.

Is the responsibility of the generation that raised them.

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Teaching children that the greatest love of all was the love that you have for yourself.

So.

If you could respond to Kofi in London's comment there.

Well, thank you Kofi.

And keep listening to orange sharpens iron and spreading the word in the UK about it.

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We're tired of you blaming the culture.

Yeah,

here's

what he says

about

that.

He's simple.

The world is

out

and

focus

on this

really teach us how to live live.

Actually

recommends to

live

our lives.

Different from this

way when we do

you turn us

off hair

yourself up

yourself.

But if we were to say these things because

of this you

have no business.

I want to hear

that.

I want to hear that either.

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And the last thing that we left our

listeners with is We're tired of you blaming the culture.

I don't know if you had anything further you wanted to discuss under that heading or do you want to move on pastor glass?

To you can't sit with us effect.

I've

never

been

good

at the

church.

Finds a way to

be.

I

would like to

know

that

we

want

them.

We kinder.

But my question to him would be what are you doing about it?

What is your response.

Impress me

at how friendly you are?

Responsibilities that are Incumbent upon each attender.

You cannot walk into and walk.

How friendly.

So welcome

that

beginning

today.

Yeah, this is something that transcends any age

category this is just an age -old problem when it comes to clicks and things

in groups of people and since everyone in any church no matter how

God -fearing and God -honoring and biblically sounded is there are sinners there.

There are sinners even in the pulpits of these churches.

Because no one is perfect on this earth and therefore these kinds of problems will exist and it's it's up to us

when we see them Existing somewhere to lovingly humbly and graciously

Approach someone privately about these issues.

Isn't that correct?

Yeah, and.

You know again, I am.

I have never experienced a

member who would.

I guess I've

heard him.

I think sometimes the Millennials think that they're the only people every

age by the.

By the way, Pastor Ron.

I had an experience years ago in Brooklyn when visiting a church and

I sat I was a visitor representing WMC a radio because that congregation

happened to be the church of the week and they were going to be airing their Services on the

radio and so I was visiting there for the first time sitting in a particular pew

or part of the pew and All of a sudden this gentleman comes up to me

with shorts black socks and sandals and a very big straw

hat and Began yelling at me at the top of his lungs to get out of his

seat.

I later found out and and people got a chuckle in the church about it because it just so happens that this

This dear brother was or is autistic and I was sitting in his seat so

I was breaking his his routine there and obviously

that that disability sometimes Gives people a a

loose tongue to say whatever they happen to be thinking at the time.

But Yes, right.

I just thought I'd mention it because it was kind of amusing because I didn't know that this person had

Autism and I was like looking around me in a state of shock that I was being yelled at it At the top of the person's

lungs, but anyway.

Well the the next category that we have.

Is.

Distrust and Misallocation of resources.

What is his.

Here's what he

says.

A document

on the

home

page.

In fact, it's it's a contradiction of complaining about mission statements and things because those

very kinds of meetings go into the Explaining where money is going.

Well, you see what his complaint is and I do have some sympathy with it.

Why should thousands of our hard -earned dollars go towards mortgage on multi -million dollar

bill or pray for or pay for another?

Celebratory bouncy cat could provide food.

Clay still on this.

Still

here at

our semi.

Pretty

much an open book, but

we are not going to doing

that.

Our

creek frugality.

Yes, I would agree with you.

And the next one is we want to be mentored not preached at.

Well, here's one that

Currency is that it's lowly

not to be

valued because all

we have to do so.

With someone

walking with home, so we're

looking for mentors.

Do we care about us?

Why not?

Just listen to a sermon?

But could there I mean obviously some of these complaints.

Would would be even complaints perhaps made by Some pastors about

other congregations or congregations that they came out of or what -have -you.

Not every church is like this there I mean look at some of the great men of faith of from

history like Robert Murray McShane Who died at a very tender age was I believe

he was 30 or 29 or something like that?

And he used to visit he had a very large congregation and he was known for visiting the the households and so on.

So this is not just a Problem everywhere, but there is a phenomenon known as the celebrity

pastor Who doesn't even really know anybody that he is preaching to and after he's finished He ducks out

behind a stage and he's never seen again until the next time he speaks.

Yes, and there is something entirely different about hearing a

sermon and hearing the Bible Exegeted by a man who you know and

who knows you and who loves you and as a burden for your life

then just hearing someone on a CD DVD or on an

internet screen and and obviously You're not diminishing the value of those things.

I love listening to CDs and watching DVDs of great preachers of the faith.

I love listening to you.

As I edit your sermons for radio broadcast and I love listening to the broadcast itself.

So.

Obviously these things are very helpful and valuable, but they do not replace.

Being in the fellowship of the brethren and hearing a preacher who knows you you're your own shepherd

teaching you and

Here is one that probably Hinges on the one before it

we want to feel valued.

Right.

Well,

I'll

hinge

worthy

words.

You're Millennials are told by the world from the second we wake up

to this question.

We really need the church to tell us that we are good enough exams or

expectations.

Ah, now we're getting

to them.

We want

to be about.

You want to hear

about faithfulness.

You want to hear about.

The problem with

that is you

know, it's

interesting that you say

that.

Todd Friel who you may be familiar with on his wretched TV program.

He had a conversation he was.

He was letting his viewers know about.

With the folks that run the st. Jude hospital where you have a lot of

hopeless causes their children with all kinds of diseases and disabilities and.

He.

Was asking the staff what surprised them most about

the families and parents, especially of these children and I was I was

really surprised by the answer it was that They

started to wonder about some of the parents How what was the true

depth of their love for these children because they stopped

disciplining them Feeling sorry for them whereas they were

hoping that the parents would still continue to behave as if the child was healthy and

Discipline that child and instruct that child and chastise that child just like any other child

because that is a demonstration of love.

In other words, they were playing favoritism and Using a kid glove

approach and not Disciplining some of their children, of course, they weren't saying that all parents were like this.

But they were saying that was a basically common problem that parents May think that that is

the way to go when your child is as serious perhaps even terminal illness.

But that that actually is conveying a message that you don't love them.

And that's why I think that it goes hand in hand with what you were saying Puffing up.

Somebody's self -esteem is not actually Necessarily a an

action of true love.

There has to be some chastisement.

There has to be some warning.

There has to be some discipline.

Am I correct?

Right.

And of course people should

obviously didn't mean to leave out the fact that people should.

Parents and pastors should be encouraging people.

Who they see gifts and talents and things like that in the person.

They should be.

Encouraging the person and building them up not by vain

flattery or anything like that, but actual.

Genuine compliments and encouraging words when they see somebody.

Who has a gift that is perhaps not being used or appreciated the way it should be.

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The question of your own CJ and Lindenhurst, Long Island excuse me wants to know.

I Understand that this person who has written this list is using a pseudonym

Sam but is really remaining anonymous.

Do you know anything about whether he is nothing more than an armchair quarterback?

When it comes to the church has he actually? strives to improve churches

By rolling up his sleeves and sitting down with grace and humility to discuss these things with leaders in the church.

Well,

I

don't

know I

can

remember.

A.

I don't know whether to call it a humorous story or a tragic and Sad and

frightening story, but I can't help but find it humorous.

This pastor was relating an incident in the church where he was

raised as a child and The his father was on the deacon

board and the The deacon board was

approached by a woman who was depressed because her husband refused to go to church with her

and The deacons came up with an idea.

Hey, let's make him a deacon In order to make him feel

valued and then he'll start coming to church, that's a great Reason to appoint someone to the

office in a church.

We've had that.

Now

I know this is not something that you are guilty of.

The next one the next complaint we want you to talk to us about controversial

issues now since I edit your your sermons.

It just so happens.

That's because you do expository preaching.

The fact of the matter is there is so much in the Bible that relates to everyday

situations in life even in the 21st century that more than people

might even realize.

Because as the saying is there's nothing new under the Sun some of the things that we think are new.

Phenomena are really rooted in ancient heresies and ancient Activities of

wickedness, but.

But you very often deal with controversial issues, but this seems to be a complaint that surprises me.

Well,

the

thing

is I know there

are

many

want to

learn

go one.

Well if they want to but

you'll

notice

he

doesn't

so he wants the

real and

Relevant.

He wants to can once

like a one -on

-one.

He wants a.

Bruce in center reach Long Island, New York wants to know to what extent is

Arminian ism contributing to the exodus of Millennials from the church.

Well, the only thing that immediately jumps into my mind is

that Arminian ism is a man -centered Soteriology and

whenever anything becomes man -centered Including a church or especially a church You're

going to have people Looking at the interests and tastes and feelings and preferences

of men.

Being exalted above what is honoring to God?

That's what immediately would jump into my head.

But not that Arminians are the only ones guilty of

secret sensitive Church services.

There are more and more professedly Reformed churches imitating the Arminians in this way really

contradicting what they claim to believe.

But that's the only thing that came to my mind immediately.

Anyway, do you want to follow up on that at all?

From worship

then

yeah,

and

you're

basically.

Training up Spoiled brats who want everything to go their way according to their tastes and then when they

get bored or tired of what you're doing, they just leave and You have that going on

in the in the charismatic world Where it's not enough anymore just

to raise your hands To move about sway back and forth or even dance and speak in

tongues.

They had to get more extravagant and bizarre with their manifestations to keep Excited

about worshiping and you have all these mutations developing with all kinds of bizarre things getting

more and more weird as people just become Bored with

the way that they've been worshiping before if you're focused on how you feel During a worship service

eventually anything can become routine and mundane.

I

just

was

going

to

move

on

to

the next

one.

Which is there's not enough information to even understand what the person means by it the public

perception.

Well, he says it's time to focus on change the neighbors

the city.

Now

obviously there is an element of truth and what he is saying because.

Paul's letter to Timothy.

Spelling out the requirements for elders and deacons.

Among them are.

He must also have a good reputation with outsiders.

So there are there is an element of truth and what that person is saying?

And of

course there's if you're faithful

to the.

Truth of God's Word there are going to be many members of the community who hate you because you are speaking out

against the depravity of homosexual activity and all kinds of things that are going on

that the the world now is celebrating and rejoicing.

Right.

We have the next the 11th complaint.

Stop talking to us unless you're actually going to do something.

Yeah, stop talking about us.

Unless you're going to actually do something and.

The.

Last issue or the last complaint.

I'm actually going to read a another follow -up question from Tyler and mastic Beach.

Because it goes hand in hand with the last complaint Tyler and mastic Beach

says it seems that most churches are taking on tactics into the church Rather than

going to Scripture.

I'm Taking a class on business and finance.

I see many frightening similarities such as Adapting to the wants of the

culture in place of congregants.

Is this an adequate observation?

And sure enough the last Complaint of this person is you're failing to adapt.

Toward this

like in

our church

to

a lot of these

when

they walk in the doors and

do during the

week on the radio.

And what you have here we in our worship.

So admit you're out of to the

Millennials you already have

before they ask them

on their end.

Feel

free

to

write

me off.

It's almost it's a

sort

of

poor me almost.

Yeah, I think that a lot of people and I even know that they're at different seasons in my own life.

When.

Sin began to take over where you look

upon the the failures of the church in general or specific congregations as a

license for you.

To live on your life without them.

That you don't need them.

You have your own thing going with with between you and God and then eventually Your

life begins to unravel without.

That.

Regular fellowship and communication With the body of Christ and you

become typically Like a frog in a kettle just immersed in your

own sin and and it gets worse before you even realize that it's killing you.

People use these things as an excuse as I very often say to people you can't blame

Jesus for Judas.

You can't reject Jesus for Judas and a lot of people will point to all kinds of

horrific Failures within Christendom as the reason why they are no longer a part of

a church.

But they are in essence rejecting Jesus because of Judas.

We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania who wants to know.

Do you have any advice to those churches that Have become

superstitious in the way they view quaint old -fashioned styles of singing

and worship that are really reminiscent of barbershop quartets and

things of a bygone era.

Who think that these things are more holy just because they come from a previous decade.

But in reality are no more holy than some of the more God

-honoring hymns and worship songs that we experience from writers today.

I am NOT a fan of becoming a chameleon to the world and imitating every modern

style of singing and musical instrumentation.

But I think that some folks have become superstitious in the way that they are stuck

in time in the 1940s or 50s in regard to the way that they worship God

not even realizing that they have Adopted traditions of men thinking that they are merely being faithful

to the scriptures.

Amen, I don't know if you've ever read the book by T. David Gordon why Johnny

can't sing hymns.

A very good book and he was talking about some of the keys to what

is conducive for truly God -centered worship in regard to music and he was

saying that If if your music is becoming more like entertainment than

something that the whole congregation Participates in then you are treading on dangerous areas because

of the fact that much of the modern music is not even written.

For.

Congregational singing it's for one or two people to be singing on a stage and therefore more conducive to

entertainment than it is for corporate.

Congregational worship.

I'd like to just.

Yes, definitely.

All

right, thank

you

so

much for

that

pastor

Ron.

And by

the way,

ladies and gentlemen.

That was not something that we talked about beforehand.

He did that spontaneously on his own.

W.

RBC us is the website for waiting River Baptist Church.

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