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And you're you're I'm gonna tell you you're so smug that you cannot listen to somebody try to talk to you about something without ridicule

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It's it's incorrect. I Know it's incorrect according to your the way you want to absolutely interpret it.

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No, no No, he's he's saying you saying that he's smug is incorrect. No, I am smug.

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I you know, I own it I'm fine with it.

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You know, I it doesn't bother me One two three

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Welcome to apologetics live we're here to answer your questions and challenges about god and the bible meet your hosts from striving for Eternity ministries andrew rapoport.

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Dr. Anthony silvestro and pastor. Justin pierce We are live apologetics live here to answer your challenging questions

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Anything you have about god and the bible Bring your challenges here. We can answer them

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So that is what we're here for. Let me bring in my co -host for tonight. Pastor.

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Justin pierce. How are you, sir? I'm, just not smug. That's what I that's what I care about Just not smug

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So we got some some comments here going. Uh, we have

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Leslie wants to know what is the topic tonight? Well leslie Your questions that's the topic an open q a so we want to encourage everybody to come on in Go to apologetics live .com

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If you have a video camera come on in ask any questions you have about god in the bible and we are here to answer them tonight

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That is what's tonight's topic is going to be um Adam here is saying hey andrew,

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I pray you're doing well. I am doing a lot better. Um, Basically, we went out evangelizing before we get to our open q a we got we'll just do deal with some things first I do have a couple topics short topics.

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We'll cover but I was out at the repentant witness evangelism boot camp Great time. We're at ocean city, maryland and I know some people, uh

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Were saying they listened to my recent rap report podcast kt says I listened to part of the recent report

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Wish andrew and his family were in our area. I do too kt. It'd be it'd be nice Uh, you know what our area is, right?

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Yeah by you you can move right down near us and we've had a good time Yeah, we would yes we would and and we'll figure out where we're gonna where we're gonna go

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Uh, but I don't I I have a feeling that we probably won't stay where we are. We'll probably move um

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Probably close to the grandchildren when they're here so But I was at the repentant witness and just a great time of evangelism

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I I will say this some of the more fun things. I mean, let's start off with the best part Andre golf was sharing the gospel with with a couple of young guy, you know young they were probably high school college age probably more college age and the girl just Was I mean when

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I saw they were talking for a while and just crying And found out later. Those are tears of repentance

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She actually said that she was in sin. She had premarital sex and she Wanted to know if she could be a virgin again so Uh, yeah, it was good.

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It was kind of funny because i'm I was talking to One of the ladies rebecca and andre just goes rebecca.

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Come here She comes over goes this girl needs a hug The girl wanted to hug andre because she was so happy about you know, the repentance and andre's just like i'll bring a lady over So that was the best part.

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Uh, one of the more funny things was I I got a guy I I asked the question Is abortion a women's woman's right?

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And so sure enough, uh someone some guys shouted. Yes And I said, okay, sir.

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I got a question for you Can a man be pregnant and he said yes

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And I said well then how can it be a woman's issue Like a woman's right and he realized that he just what he just agreed to and he just turned and walked off Unfortunately, so I didn't get to continue that conversation, but I was having a conversation with alex and alex was someone who he basically was saying that You know, it's this um

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You know law of attraction type of thing he believes that He had he basically had been

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Uh a drug addict and and almost took his life a few months ago And just in a really dark place.

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He's just 29 years old and he had just Said the the reason law of attraction is true is because it turned his life around and I said well, you know,

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I I Would do jiu -jitsu and i'd have guys come in and say jiu -jitsu saved my life And what it is is they got into the gym and they started training and training and training and jiu -jitsu takes a lot of time

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You know, he would be there with me five six days a week So you're there all the time.

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It gives you structure and that's what he needed as a drug addict to get out of that well the same thing for the for this guy, he you know, but he was saying that He he decided he'd live in his home in his car

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He left it walked out on his wife, which I don't think was good but um you know, he you know ended up, uh saying that he's best spot ever because he had um

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You know, he he was living in his car and his car got you know towed away and now he says, you know, he can say that it's true because you know, he is feeling that He's feeling okay having nowhere to live and and all this and it's like, okay, well,

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I mean that's not proof so we're going through giving the scriptures and I will say and I did post about this a lady walked up while Alex and I are talking and just She she heard my voice came around in front of me and just stopped and stared at us

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And I figure i'm not local must she must be staring at him like she knows him and and she

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She's just staring she goes I can't believe it's you And she was she follows us online.

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She saw me on youtube and she said she's like I just can't believe like she referred to me as a man of god.

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She just goes a man of god who You're actually doing what you say you do online like as if i'm different In person, like she just was surprised to see me out

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Evangelizing and doing what you know, I I love to do so um So, you know that it was a great time of evangelism we had a lot of you know a lot of good conversations so that was really good

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I see and maybe you could just flag some of the questions that are coming in here since We got a bunch of I for for for those who are using facebook.

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I encourage you to go to projects live .com there is instructions on how to allow facebook to allow or allow

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Uh you stream yard to access your facebook so that we can see your names.

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Yeah, that becomes helpful So let's deal with some Housekeeping here.

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We got a review. We got a review here. I've read this review. We got a review A one star review.

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Thank you. Thank you. That was excellent. Yes, at least it wasn't zero. I mean it could have been I guess you can't do it

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Can't do that But uh, and I always love how people don't use their real name. It is from a s c i

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G u y, so I don't know what that'd be I see a guy but whatever um

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Here comes and we have anthony coming in. So welcome anthony He will be with us long because he's got a date tonight, but I already read for you this review anthony

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Um, what review it dates with his wife by the way folks. Well, no, no. Well, I mean, yeah, we always do that But uh, we have we had a couple guests coming over.

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We haven't seen in a while So actually it's been a previous guest on the show Allen beach, okay

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So is your wife shaving your son's head back in the background? Because it sounds like there's a buzzing going on He's he's using his earbuds or something.

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Oh, is that what it is? Because it sounds like there's a bee flying around It sounds like so he you know, he knows which microphone to use.

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He's just not using it. So Well they were Did you guys hear that in the background?

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Yeah, we hear something we hear something the music No, it's the streamer music.

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It's uh, it sounds like a Bunch of bees. Yeah We're just gonna mute him until he gets a better mic and when he gets a better mic

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Let me read this review. Well, you know while anthony swings his his microphone that i'm sure he has you know

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He's just got to get set up, right? and then he'll unmute himself, but okay, so we got to the the title is religion is

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Okay The rest of it is so I guess we should read this as one full thing religion is neither reasonable who wrote it

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Oh a s c i g u i so assy guy

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Okay, yeah So he says a religion is neither reasonable nor rational

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You can twist your doctrine around any way you want But it won't convince a truly rational and reasonable person

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Magic is not real no matter how much faith you put in it science Get some okay.

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So let's engage with this really quick. Um So assy guy not that you actually watch the show i'm sure you just saw the word apologetics and probably commented but um

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Where do you get your ability to reason you say you're reasonable and rational? But reason and rationality are immaterial things.

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They cannot be products of chemical reactions. Therefore You need an immaterial source for them and oh by the way, if you're expecting as it seems you are for them to be absolute and Universal You need an absolute universal and immaterial source

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That source is god. So if you want to deny God, um, you're using your god -given ability to reason to reason that god

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Does not exist Thus god says the fool says in his heart. There is no god

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Yeah now now, you know andrew. Um There is if I recall there is a training course that you and I just did at a

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Very very recently where we taught this in detail So that everybody who was there actually learned this really well

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Where were we just at? Well, we we were talking about that repentant witness where you and I did the training and we we talked through these things

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Uh, and and people saw the pictures because here marcy is saying marcy is saying. Oh, yeah, I got a question for anthony

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Can you please tell us about the purple bear? I I would love to this is

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It's hilarious. Now. I was considered mean because I was preaching against roman catholicism against islam against every false religion, but we we seem to get most of the

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The irate people every time I said something against roman catholicism or islam Similar to you got a lot of irate people andrew every time you spoke against abortion or asking people

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What is a woman and nobody wanted answered for you? So, you know, so we had a really interesting time in the boardwalk

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And so there was a guy who just thought I was being really really mean And so he thought to cheer me up.

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He would give me one of his two stuffed animals He just walks over and he goes like this and he puts it down in front of the stool and then he just walks off And that was yeah, it was great

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Give it away I you were talking you were talking to a couple What four young ladies?

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Uh, and then a couple guys came over but you you were talking to them and two of the girls left but the one girl Was that was asking the questions and she got the the iq test everything, right?

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And you said I wish I had something to give to you and I just reached down Purple bear and gave it to her, which was great

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But looking you know what it was a good person to give it to you. So that's yeah it was it was now You know, it's interesting because this this review they also say magic is not real

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That's really strange because they believe in a magical bang. There was nothing And then magically it went boom and created everything that's magic something coming

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Is my i've got a question on that define reality What is reality?

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I mean in a Presuppositional worldview where we have we have god as the standard

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And and we can say that reality is what conforms with with what god says is reality

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Yeah, it's the nature of god exactly yeah, but within the context of an atheistic and evolutionary worldview

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How do you define reality? You know, you're talking about absolutes you know, uh

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You've you've heard the old saying a duck sleeps faster than wednesday and you go. Okay. Well, what does that mean? I've never heard that before.

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Oh, come on. You guys have heard that. I mean, it's it's everybody knows that that saying I mean, it's it's it's universal.

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It's it's truth, right? You know a duck sleep faster than wednesday. I mean everybody knows that right,

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I mean but What i'm what i'm getting at by the way is the fact that I don't have to be logical in my language and speech

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If there is no reason for logic and reason Yep, so I can say a duck sleep faster than wednesday or I can say, you know

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Anything I want to say along those lines And it means what I say it means Yeah, and you can't question it

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Well, that's that's the world that we're in. I mean like he's saying here science gets some um anthony If i'm not mistaken, uh, you have a

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Bachelors in science, correct Actually, I have a bachelor's in both chemistry and mathematics.

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Yeah. Well, I was good. I was just yeah You have a you have a bachelor's right? I do Okay Do do you

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I mean I could be mistaken, but do you have um, like even a doctorate in science?

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well Well, I mean depends who you talk to But you all got All of that stuff he doesn't do science with any of that he's never he's never even opened a science book up Yeah, I mean look at him.

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You can tell so so I do have a doctor degree and uh, and in that in that degree is heavy chemistry biology biochemistry

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Medical science. I mean it list goes on. So yeah, I mean I have a bachelor's in science as well

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Um, but I guess we don't know science No, let me let me see the science.

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But wait, matt slick says blue sleeps faster than wednesday. Okay. So there you go See, look, we're all in the same language here.

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We can say whatever we want to say, right? It doesn't matter All right. So so let's use some science.

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Um The creation of the universe, how did the universe come about well if we were to look at this

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We could say that the universe always existed except That goes against a law of science the law of thermodynamics

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Which says that mass and energy had a beginning So it couldn't have always existed.

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So i'm using science for that. Hmm another thing that um, ken ham says on that They finish it and then we'll so so the let's go to the second possibility that maybe

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Just maybe the universe created itself Well, that would go against a different area of science of philosophy

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Because it would be a logical fallacy Because something can't exist That doesn't exist yet.

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That's a logical fallacy. We can't do so The only thing you're left with is someone or something created the universe well

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To to ac guy or however, you pronounce that. Uh, I just use science to prove god exists

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Right, I mean we we are looking at science. It's just so not that god exists But that there's no other explanation for the universe other than god one thing that can

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I believe it's ken ham, but it could be Jason lyle, and I think i've heard both of them. So it could be both.

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I just trying to attribute it to the right spot um If the the if the universe is eternal then we could never have gotten to this point

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Okay, and what I mean by that is If you if you have a universe that never had a beginning and never started

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Then you can never have a universe that gets to a point where you're at Yeah, okay, because it's it's timeless.

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There is no amount of time for you to be able to reach That that pinnacle that level to where we're at today

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Okay, there's because there is no possibility of it of reaching that that that point where we're at today

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Yeah, yeah And and another way that you can state that kind of combining what you just said justin and and andrew about second law third

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Dynamics is that you know, it's it's well established in the laws that that's um

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Energy can you know mass nor energy can neither be produced nor destroyed, right? So for for universe to come into existence out of nothing goes against our laws

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But then the other issue is is that you have you have energy As time goes on energy is running down usable energy is running down into non -usable energy

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So if we extrapolate and go backwards There has to be a finite starting point

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When we go backwards as as backwards in time, it's going to be more usable energy and less non -usable energy

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So you you can't have a universe that has existed forever There has to have been a starting point and therefore that starting point has to be the one who started it to begin with I mean, so there are so many ways to be able to approach this this issue

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But of course, you know, I I do have to say that that when people question the science

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And and they're they're having issues with with what they would say basic, right? I mean, I think andrew you just posted earlier that somebody wrote out.

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Um, I think drew vanita said somehow non -life was able to use life This is called the law of non -ibogenesis

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You cannot get life from non -life. This is well known in biology circles And and then they have a little asterisk behind it, even though this is a fundamental law

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There's an asterisk behind it that says except in the beginning when life came from non -life It is it is it is the most wicked of things

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But yeah, it's even more than that anthony because not only do you have to have life from non -life But you also have to get at some point the evolution of male and female at the same time

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In the same place and they have to know what to do with those body parts And they have to be the full body parts.

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Otherwise, they don't reproduce right, so what you go from a a organism that is you know non -gender to a male female by the way in all of You know nature we only see male and female

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You know, we don't see yeah and genetic mutations, right and genetic gender disorders, but yeah, and another thing another thing is is you have to have an an intellectual

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Evolutionary big bang There has to be at some point in time when the rocks and the the matter gains sentient intellectual ability

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In other words, you have to have a point in time Where this animal life that you know that banged and came into existence

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It can't just be a blob It has to have intellect And that is another point where you have to go.

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Where can that come from? Yeah So you have to have knowledge and information which are immaterial

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You have to have the ability to reason which is immaterial I mean all this stuff is immaterial that cannot come from a materialistic worldview

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I would see you guys are hitting all the all the major points here. Yeah, let's bring it

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Let's bring in we got someone here and looking at his how do I get his name to show up?

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Well, well while you guys are doing that I want to answer one other question here on the side and then um I do have to get there.

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We go. We have to get running here I got his name up there. Hold on put that away for a sec Put the comment away there for a second.

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We we got the cleverest guy in the room just showed up I did not originally write that I did not originally write that Oh, he said his original name was nothing clever to say so I quickly edited it and put him in I didn't know you can do that.

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Wow I'm glad she's long english to do it. John always comes in with really cool names.

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I just figured All right, i'll put john backstage. All right, what was the question you wanted to do?

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There's uh, I think there's two I want to I want to deal with here So the first one is if you could only share three verses with a non -believer, what would you share?

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I want four verses. Let me use four first corinthians 15 verses 3 and 4 um

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That for christ died first sins in accordance with the scriptures. He was buried It was raised on third day in accordance with the scriptures

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That's half of verse 3 and verse 4 The other one i'd like to give which separates christianity from every other religion is visions 2 verses 8 and 9

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For by grace you have been saved through faith. This is not your own doing It is a gift of god not the result of works lest you may boast

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So those would be my four verses and andrew you heard me like a broken record as people are walking by on the boardwalk

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Because those are the ones that I kept getting back to every minute or so as people were walking by romans 1 romans 1 romans 1

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I didn't read I didn't read romans 1 a single time that entire weekend.

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I purposely did that so I didn't have to hear it from you That's why I did psalm 51.

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I thought you were going to say genesis I did genesis for part of it. Oh, yeah

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Yeah, all right. Psalm 139. I I pulled everything but romans 1 out on this weekend

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Yeah, there you go So I i'll throw one out of there out and then I I do have to I do have to go I just ask evolutionists where are the middle monkeys because if what they say is true

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Then evolution is still continuing and evolving yet. We see no humans evolving past human humanity Now, of course, they may come back to you drew and say that well

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You know what? There's not been enough time that has passed for us to recognize evolution Which is why they they don't have any evidence for macroevolution or doing an evolution

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The only thing they can ever throw at us would be what we would call microevolution Or what what's better termed as adaptation?

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That's a big problem. Let me give you something that's a little bit better and this isn't my book I I think you read it drew and uh, and i'll give this to you, too

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Um or to give it give this to everybody here. I teach this in all the courses I teach on creation there is somewhere around 450 million genetic base pair differences between a

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Chimpanzee and a human chimpanzee is supposed to be our closest relative That would mean that we share about 85 of genetic material with them

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It's not the 99 that's quoted in textbooks. It's really about 85 450 million base time or i'm sorry base base pairs of difference

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Which let's just look at straight up math. Yes, like post -modelism not enough time. That's good There'll never be enough time for that.

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Yeah Yeah And and honestly omils make up time just like evolutionists do

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I mean So we so we just end up back to our real position

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I mean having said all that i'm gonna just get as many pot shots in as I can before I go

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That's right, so okay mathematically speaking 450 million base pair differences if evolution is a point to point to point to point change

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And let's assume that every in this evolutionary Trail from a chimpanzee to human that it's perfect evolution, right?

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It's it's perfectly you get a mutation Then a mutation then a mutation all leading up to the human being that means you have to have at minimum of 450 million transitions

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Between a chimpanzee and a human. So if I find one human and one chimpanzee in a fossil record guess how many on on average

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Transitional fossils should I find? 450 million and that's only if you had one generation next generation next generation next generation right on up To go from the human chimpanzee to human

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The reality is is you know Once you go to 10 humans 100 humans thousand humans in a fossil record and a thousand chimpanzees you now get into numbers that are in the

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Trillions of the amount of fossils we should find of just the precursors of human beings from chimpanzees to humans

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Which means that we should be tripping over everywhere. We walk on this earth We should be tripping over these transitions let alone all the transitions for every other

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Every other kind that we see out there today. And guess what? We're not doing that.

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They're missing. Yeah, we should be seeing millions of them In between every single transition not just the beginning in the end

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Well and not just the fact that we're talking about this you think about within the context of uh, you know

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Man today what we see the evolved man today from their logic. Um We should see you know trillions to the times more

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Of humanity here on earth. I mean we wouldn't have enough room Uh on earth for for the population that we have there's there was there was no way

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Yeah, yeah, that's right. So Again, gentlemen, I would love to stand a little bit longer, but um, but you guys have a good night

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I might pop in uh towards the ends if I can so we get a lot of questions. I got. Oh, yeah I've seen all kinds popping up here.

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So that's gonna be good. Let me deal with uh, Some things uh, anthony had done a show some time ago anthony.

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I already gave you these answers. But uh, so if you need to go Yeah You know as you guys know when when

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I was out Anthony and justin were filling in and not all those got into podcasts. I've been dropping them on the podcast feed

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So folks have been seeing that so a couple things questions that came up that uh when anthony was leading one

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So I wanted to deal with There was a couple a question about the lord's supper being dipped into wine and I forget the name of this but someone asked about that and they

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I guess had seen that and The issue here for the lord's supper is remember the lord's supper was a passover seder so there is no point in the passover seder where we are dipping the bread, which really is a

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Unleavened bread Matzah will be today into wine in fact

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The taking of the bread which would have been there's several different Uh, there's three different times that you break bread

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It probably was the second or third breaking of the bread uh that was

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And I would lean toward the third That was used for that and then you have four cups of wine when when you have the sipping of the cups

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And it would have been the third or fourth one there and there's a lot of things that go on in between them

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So it's it wasn't done Back to back the way we do it in church And I definitely don't think that that there's any argument that you can make for the dipping

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I don't know where that tradition came from, but it didn't come from the seder Therefore it didn't come from what christ did that night

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You know what? I think it came from it's it came from the baptist lunches because if you're trying to get out right at noon to beat the presbyterian

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Bob evans you just dip it in real quick and you save yourself a minute and then boom you're gone and there you go

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And you beat everybody. So Hey, we have uh, I am full of answers tonight, by the way.

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I'm, sorry. I can't be here longer Oh, you do have a couple of questions. Uh Well before you get to them, let me wrap some of these other things so the other one there was a question of can someone get divorced for abuse and Where you guys were answering on the issue of divorce the issue is

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There's a couple things that we have in in the issue of divorce first century women did not have a way of making money typically outside of marriage, so their husbands would be the ones to to provide

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Financially for them so you end up having right off the bat that there's a cultural difference

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Can you get divorced for abuse? Well in our culture there are means of providing for the wife

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If in a divorce situation, so if she's being abused I would say yes, she could separate she might even be able to get divorced

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But here's the thing. She cannot get remarried Okay, unless it's a biblical divorce

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So if it's just that, you know, he's beating her. Yes for your safety get out of there but So so and this is where you and I might disagree on this.

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I mean, I would fully agree on on a separation You know and yes get out of the house from from the abuse and hopefully the church helps with all that What I don't believe scripture pushes though is

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I don't believe scripture gives the ability to actually get divorced You know and and I have

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I come to this position based on my study on first corinthians 7 that I had to preach verses 1 through about 16

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And uh, like even in even in this passage 10 through 16, it talks about the unbelieving husband

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Uh the the believing wife not divorcing her unbelieving husband nor the unbelieving husband divorce

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I'm, sorry Believing husband divorce is unbelieving wife why because they're made holy because of you and the children are made holy because of you and um,

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It's in the only so the in in this in this passage The only consent for divorce biblical biblical grounds for divorce would be

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If you have an unbelieving spouse your believer have an unbelieving spouse and the unbelieving spouse

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Um wants to leave you are to allow them to go in peace and divorce you so I see that clearly in scripture

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I see in scripture clearly, um with adultery, although I think we would even say that it's not just this.

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Hey Oh, they commit adultery against me. Boom. I'm out. It's more of I am i'm doing my best to reconcile

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And give forgiveness. I want them to repent And and if they don't if they continue to repent in sin, then

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I have a good grounds for divorce So I see what you're saying andrew in regards to the remarriage aspect of it because you can't

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Stop somebody necessarily from getting a divorce if it's unbiblical I'm, just I I just I would for me

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I would hesitate in saying that it's you're okay to divorce on these other grounds I think I think scripture is really clear on only two

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It's either it's either unrepentant adultery or it's in the case of an unbelieving spouse with a believing spouse

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No, or or death But the issue is The culture back then uh had means of providing for a woman that we did that We don't have today and the means that we have today would be in a court where there's alimony and so that becomes the issue but You know,

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I would say that yeah, you you may need to separate and you may need to get divorced to be able to have provision

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But you can't remarry Yeah, and of course we would hope the church would do that, right? I mean, I know of issues where where when a spouse has to separate that the the church

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Treats her as a functional widow. Yep, right and so um, so So they would use that as an application to help this spouse out until she can get on her feet

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If she does have to get divorced, whatever, you know, so All right one thing too that you have to look at in that discussion is

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And we've talked about this. So Go ahead and bring that up. Um When the spouse leaves you and abandons you, you know

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You read corinthians and tells us that you know, first corinthians 7 tells us, you know That as that spouse has left you and abandoned you because of your testimony for christ

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We're talking about new or semi new believers uh say oh the wife she's come into the home and says, you know,

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I've I've Put my faith in christ and the the pagan the atheist the agnostic or whatever else says, you know, how dare you?

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Beats the snot out of her and he says i'm out and leaves That person has divorced the spouse

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They've left the spouse Another thing you look at too is in a lot of these cases when you're talking about the abuse issue um

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They are They they have abandoned their their

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Role, they've abandoned their responsibilities before god, but they're also showing that they're not christian

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I mean what nobody's going to argue And say that oh no christians can beat their wives bloody.

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They're not going to argue that we're going to say no If you're abusing your wife there, you don't don't even call yourself a believer, you know, so we're not going to go there so so here's the thing is

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When you have that abuse going on um they are They are abandoning their role as the the believing spouse

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And they're putting you in a position where you have to Leave that situation. They are divorcing you they are leaving you in that situation so So so let me challenge you a little bit on this justin

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Because the the verses in first corinthians 7 10 through 16 specifically say an unbelieving spouse with a believing spouse, right?

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An unbelieving spouse leaving now in your situation You're making a claim that if somebody bloodies their their spouse that they would be an unbeliever now

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One I would say maybe you're right But it could be just a a really really bad day to which they need to repent and have a long time separated um

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You know, it could be an unrepentant. It could be a Sin at that moment um of time that they have to repent from and time has to go on so I don't know that I would immediately call them

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Unbeliever, but let me tell you where my hesitation would be overall with with what you said It is this right?

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I have heard the argument that I think is downright wrong when somebody said when we we obviously would agree here

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Adultery unrepentant adultery is grounds for divorce and I get that What I don't believe the spirit of the law says is that if somebody is in is lusting after somebody

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Right. So let's say one of the spouses is in lustful situations. I don't believe that that's grounds for divorce whatsoever even though that's called

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What's that? Yeah, that's that's not many times and if you're like, oh my husband's looking at pornography I can get divorced and remarry someone that's someone looking for an excuse

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Yeah And and i've heard the separation argument being used in that exact same manner where people like well i'm abandoned so I can

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I can Get divorced I mean you're talking about two different issues you're talking about a lustful heart and sexual lust versus physical violence

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That has brought that person to a point of you know of severe pain I'm going to push back i'm going to say

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I don't see that there is any way possible To claim. Oh, i'm a christian while beating your wife

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I've never seen I mean i've been in these situations A lot and as a police officer i've dealt with these situations a lot and I can tell you i've never met a truly

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Biblical christian who abuses his wife And i'm i'm sorry, but I mean i've heard i've had a lot of them say they have that they are christians

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Well now we know where you stand with some with one person that we're thinking of. So, all right Let's I don't know who we're thinking of but Oh, yeah,

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I know that. Yeah, go ahead Let's get to this You guys you guys should bring josiah in because josiah is getting comments into the chat

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Uh private chat on this he'll have something to say but I gotta get I'm trying to but have a good night. All right later

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And we do have 14 questions That's going to allow us about six minutes. Justin six minutes per question.

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So you're gonna Need to have self -control here. But okay, you're the one talking you

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I know you need to drop at the top of the hour um so What do you have for us?

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Well, you're talking about evangelism earlier and uh Um, uh,

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I I actually had quite a uh Quite a long event where I I got to witness to several people multiple times a day

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Okay. Well before you before you get there. I was gonna I was gonna start with this, but I figured out But so we we you know, josiah you've been you were hospitalized recently

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Uh, and so we're glad to see you here. Yes. Um But and I don't know how much you want to you share about that But it looks like you're just going to jump in at least with the witnessing encounters that you had in the hospital

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Yeah, yeah, I got I I was in a hospital for an infected colon, um

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During my time there. I got to write some articles for striving I got to write I got to uh witness to several people

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It was really exciting to Uh, one person actually came to faith Uh in christ while I was there

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And uh, I don't know if i'm supposed to give her name. I don't want to get her in trouble or anything. You probably shouldn't

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Yeah, so Uh, but be definitely praying for her So so you have a new article that's going to be coming out on the josiah diet

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So this is going to be the new new the new diet that's going to take the world by storm I I just said this as a joke and he actually wrote an article on it

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Okay But I will let you guys go to striving fraternity .org and check out that article when it drops

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Uh, I think it's all written. So it should drop within a week speaking of articles dropping um

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I have an article that just dropped on g3 ministries if you go to g3 min .org uh, the title of that is

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G uh, actually I remember the exact title because it's it was um Jesus jesus never changes.

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So tongues are for today Is that a valid argument? Yes, it is.

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It's it's valid Okay No, it's not it's invalid. All right.

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So josiah any anything else that you had for us? If not, we're gonna we're gonna try to I was just gonna add what

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I put in the comments i'd say, um, if the abuse is ongoing unrepentant sin

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Uh, if if they're confronted and they don't don't repent they they pretty much prove they're an unbeliever so I mean if divorce happens

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I I would say it's If it's from the abuse of husband, it'd be biblical because that means he wants to walk away

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So that that's my that's my take on it And it's nice to see that justin loves this audience you guys everyone see him blow a kiss to everybody that's my daughter's over here

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Blow me kisses and all that. So jody says this I spent 29 years in an abusive slash

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Abusive marriage slash family. I stayed because I was the only believing influence for my children

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And my husband who clearly over time showed no signs of being the the believer

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He claimed I only divorced when I had the evidence of his sin against our marriage

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Uh, there's there are only two reasons a christian can get divorced And you know, but if someone's life is at stake jody,

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I I would say there may be an argument for leaving Yeah, I mean and you know and you have to think about that, you know kt said uh said

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And it's along those same lines if someone's threatening your life There's civil authorities for that and god gave us those civil authorities.

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Um for that purpose, you know the abandonment issue is

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This person is proving they're not a believer Right there they've shown they're not a believer

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The abuse is on top of it the sexual abuse the moral abuse the physical abuse All those things are on top of what's going on here, you know, and god's given us

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The the civil authorities for that, you know and praise god for that You know, could they do better?

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Yeah You know, there's a lot a lot of things could be done better for sure Okay, so let's get to some of these questions let me bring before we do let me just uh,

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Actually, I was going to mention this by the way If I don't know if any of you out there are seeing this but I woke up this morning to let me see one two three, four five six seven eight nine

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Nine facebook posts that have been removed by facebook because independent fact checkers

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Found things that I said were false. Yeah, I get them all the time. Um, yeah, but I don't get that many all in one day

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And so it's quite understandable many of them had to do with something called covet Like it's amazing because some of them were things like I I repeated what the cdc actually said

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And it was removed for misinformation amazing Um, and here's chris huff going like naughty naughty on me.

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So I wanted to bring chris in I get it all the time I mean, I I'm gonna tell you it's i've never been put in facebook jail, even though i've been like Well, maybe

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I have I I got kicked out for a while Yeah, I I got kicked off for a while but I I go back and I look at my timeline and there's all these things that were like I don't know if I don't know if I deleted or whatever, but the post

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Is still there but the the yeah put in deleted all that stuff. So yeah, so jody says it's absolutely a move

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I moved out and stayed with the elders at times and that's that's the thing to do just to be smart and be safe Um, all right.

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So so let's let's get what are you laughing at? Drew said i'm pretty sure every other day.

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Justin gets a post removed. I think he's right. He probably is All right, why don't you why don't you grab some of these questions that we've been pulling up Gotcha.

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Okay, like I said, we're gonna Out quickly. All right with the first one. I'll let you guys go ahead and throw your answers out there

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Why don't you read the question for us? So from carol, uh landman it says question nowadays with crt and wokeness

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Finding that uh, once reliable christian leaders are buying into the world views. How does one pick and choose?

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Who to use for study aids like it Was recommended by a sound sunday school leader to use mark deborah books message of the old testament as a good resource for understanding and Studying the ot my understanding is that he has gone woke.

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So how does one handle things like this? Go ahead. Okay, who wants to answer that one? We're gonna we're gonna try we're gonna let one person answer it

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So who wants that one find one that's biblically solid and stay with it if they're going woke you better be careful

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Yes, there you go If they're if they're propagating a false gospel at any given point you have to understand that by using their resources buying their resources

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You're contributing to them financially. Yes that said be a berean examine what they're teaching in accordance with the scriptures

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There are so many uh solid solid bible teachers theologians and pastors out there who are writing commentaries and uh and writing material for Believers and for the church you don't need to capitulate

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And financially support those who are propagating a false gospel. My brother drew barnita said i'm gonna get their problems

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I'm gonna get that. Yep. Yep So the voice you just heard is chris huff matter of theology his co -host drew drew on matter of theology says use macarthur problem solved

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Well, it's it's right If you got a logos, you can get almost all of uh, macarthur's

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His commentaries and bible studies Problem solved. Yeah. Amen.

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All right next question um Leslie ladyhawk says wow.

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Haha My question has to do I probably shouldn't put that part first part in silly But my question has to do to uh, do

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I explain how do I? Let me try that again. My question is how do I explain calvinism to someone that thinks it's a devil's doctrine?

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It is you you're all demonic. He actually thinks uh many doctrines of the devil

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All right, so let me take let me take this one, um, I saw there are a couple of calvinism ones uh so what what

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I see with this is Um, the issue is most people and I actually was just dealing with it on my facebook wall

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Most people that say that calvinism is a false doctrine All you need to do is ask them to define calvinism

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Um Because what i've noticed is they never can let me let me pull it up real quick if I if I can

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Let's see if I have it um I've been asking someone to define calvinism.

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So here's you know, you guys are are calvinists So let's see if this is is this a valid definition of calvinism because I kept asking him to define it

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So here's the definition um Um A calvinist is an extreme doctrine

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That believes that god will only allow certain people who he chooses to live in eternity

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And the rest must go to hell They have no choice or chance

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Um, so is that is that calvinism does that adequately define calvinism no

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No, no, no and see this is the problem that i've always noticed with people is

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They they can't I mean you guys if you remember the debate that I had with r .a fuentes When we got to me defining the terms

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He actually believes in calvinism when it got in the cross -examination of me asking him to define

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Calvinism the the five points he misrepresented all five This is what you end up having is the term calvinism is only as good as the definition and so that becomes

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So Go ahead. Look, there's a book that I want to recommend It's called the five points of calvinism defined defended and documented

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But you need spaces when you type by the way. Yeah, I know but I was in a hurry Because I only had a couple minutes you said uh, david steel, uh curtis thomas, uh

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It's an excellent primer Uh it i've used it many times to kind of lay it out and talk to people about what calvinism where it comes from What it's about What do they what does the bible teach?

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What do they teach? And and what is it? Why do we believe what we believe? It's an excellent primer. That's what

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I would recommend you Leslie real quick to to just kind of answer a question like from a from a apologetics standpoint

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Uh start where r .c. Sproul used to start. Um with total depravity start with that um start with the or absolute inability, um, and um

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A book that I would also recommend is what is reform theology? And then also one of the things that solidified, uh, the doctrines of grace for me

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Was listening again to dr. John mccarthur teach through the doctrines of grace go to gty .org.

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Just search doctrines of grace He did a whole sermon series That where he unpacked each of them

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Uh, yeah, there's another one the history and theology of calvinism by kurt Daniel is let me let me sit let me let me speak to that real quick If you are a professing believer in the lord, jesus christ, and you don't own that book

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Why you have got to get that book asap. It is a phenomenal resource because you haven't bought it for me yet I will buy it

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Well, wait a minute here. You're gonna start throwing it out. You know, everybody heard that he said he'll buy it for you

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I will we we we could use an evolutionary time I have a promise with my wife that I will not buy any more books

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Until that pile up there on my shelf is gone Now that doesn't mean that when

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I go to shepherd's conference and they give me books, you know, I can still get those so When class starts that's when

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I buy all my books Yeah You know a good thing to do and you guys saw it in my debate with r .a fuentes is to ask them

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Do you believe you don't use the labels of tulip? Do you believe that at the when adam partook of that fruit?

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That his that he fell into sin that his intellect his will

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Sorry, his his emotions and his will were all affected by sin And they say yes, because that's total depravity that the will was influenced by sin that it suffered the consequence of sin

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So you could go through each one of them giving the definition Do you believe that that god?

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Is the one who ends up? Saving like that he before the foundation of time and you could just read the verse that he chose before the foundation of time

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If you believe that verse without having to read something into it that it doesn't say Then you understand

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Unconditional election, but the way you could word that without getting into that is just ask them Do you believe that your salvation is based 100 % solely upon what god did?

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Or do you think you add something to it? Here's one for limited atonement Do you believe that the people that are experiencing god's wrath in hell to this day that christ died for them?

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That christ death paid for their sins. The first one to ask is this I I ask it this way first is

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Is there is there anybody in hell period? Yeah Because if there's someone in hell guess what?

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The atonement was limited somehow somehow it no we could we could discuss the the extent of it

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Yeah, but there's some there's some point where it was limited yeah some logical level you gotta see

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The the the extent of it. Yeah, and and that's the thing When you talk about limited atonement and people get so upset at it you ask the question

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Do you believe that every single person has ever existed is in heaven or will be in heaven for eternity?

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And if so, we know what that is That's universalism and so they're going to say no if you say no and there's anybody at all ever in hell

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Then the answer is there is a limitation to atonement in some fashion And then then what we got to do is instead of trying to philosophize

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We want to look at the scripture and see what the bible says correct, you know rather than making strawman arguments, you know, i'll

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I'll throw a question up here I can't pronounce the name that the seal

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Maybe okay. Okay, just Decile okay question. Do you believe that god desires?

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That his decree for the eternal damnation of the reprobate be overthrown question mark There is no way calvinist capital.

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No capital way calvinist can answer this question They will get angry If they understands it they can't

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Treat this as a secondary issue A confused god who changed his changes his mind wait, was there another person that said the exact same person?

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That was facebook user. It's the same person. No, okay. It was it was it? Uh, no that it was

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So it's oh, yeah, that's uh, oh it's the same person. Okay, so so Uh, put put it back up with uh, so we have that.

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Um, let me let me just address it real quick Um, well, you could put agnons on instead. It's the same thing

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Yeah, i'm trying to find it Okay here I got it. I'm, sorry Go ahead.

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I'm, sorry. Go ahead. All right, so the whole idea here This there's an assumption in this question

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Okay That people are born neutral They're not born with a sin nature or morally good.

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Yeah. Yeah They're they're either good or neutral But scripture teaches romans 5 12 to following that all have sin through adam

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And so if we're if our starting place is that we we enter this life sinful

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Then our starting place is eternal damnation. Yeah And and this is the problem with with the person like this.

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We're gonna get angry. Uh, no, no In fact, i'm not capitalizing any of my letters

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That which is a sign of anger andrew, can I can I say something to that real quick too I think it assumes more than that.

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I think it also assumes on an unbiblical Uh an unbiblical view of the character of who god is correct.

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God is eternal if god is holy according to the scriptures which he is Then then the eternal wrath and the eternal damnation that the reprobate experience is scripture is clear

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Never ending it goes on forever And ever and ever revelation 14 says there's no rest whatsoever um

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So you you also can't assume upon the character of god that god's gonna go. Okay I know

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I said this in my word, but you've had enough Yeah Well, and then you have to also look at it.

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You have to look at it from the context of Of the the nature of god who is god you have to think about it like this way

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Um, the question being asked is did god look down through time? And determine what he was going to do

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Based on him looking down through time. Now. There's this guy i'm going to introduce you to him. His name's andrew rapport

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Um, you you guys may never have heard his him talking before but he and I've had this discussion on Predestination and it's a very good conversation that we had because if you understand god

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From the biblical perspective. He is outside of time, correct? So there is never a time when god does not and did not know what he has decreed

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And not only that there's never been a time when he's not living in that moment So the bible tells us that god knows

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You can can decree and declare for you the end from the beginning of the beginning from the end because he decreed it He's living inside of every moment outside of every moment.

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He sees it all it's always before him forever So when god makes a decree

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But in eternity past that he's going to have his son Be the one that's going to bear the wrath of for for his people when god makes that decree

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He not only made the decree he declared every moment of everything and every single moment

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Of everybody's life that would bring christ to that point of the cross And then all the way to the resurrection and then all the way to the end of you know eternity where he declares for us

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In revelation exactly what's going to happen Who's going to be on the throne what it's going to be like and every moment in it because he's there

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Yeah, no, no part of what we have to do Let me let me first answer with some scripture two scripture verses close to one another first off psalm 5 and then psalm 7 says psalm 5 4 and 5

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For you are not a god who delights in wickedness Evil may not dwell with you the boastful shall not stand before your eyes you hate all

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Evil doers. He's not saying he hates the sin. Yeah, he's very clear there.

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He hates evil doers psalm 7 11 which which says Uh god is a righteous judge

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And a god who feels indignation Indignation Every day now the way this is worded in made.

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He's he's he has indignation toward the wicked So it's it's the wicked it's it's the people the evil doers he has a hatred for them

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That is part of his character now when we look at this and we we we try to understand these things and I mean this this person, um,

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Who put it up? I mean justin you had to tell him to like calm down. We're gonna we're gonna answer it Yeah, and you you said we'd answer in order but since we were dealing with calvinism you grabbed that one as well

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Yeah, he asked her like five times or something. So The thing is he's saying we can't answer.

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Well, I I think like kofi had said here. Um that the his question Is illogically formed correct brained, right?

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So he so right off the bat There's a you know a fallacy in it, but he's talking about the desire His the question is does god desire and we have the passages that say that god desires all to be saved so his argument is

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That somehow there's this contradiction That god desires people to be saved, but he doesn't save them so and that's supposed to be something that's going to wrap calvinists up and they can't get out according to him without being angry and What it shows is a lack of understanding of the nature of god

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And I will say this again. I say it all the time But when you do theology you must have it grounded in who god is in the nature and attributes of god

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And so when we look at this as you gave the example justin of looking down the tunnels of time

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Why is that invalid for a very simple reason if god is eternal if he's outside of time

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And if he's omniscient meaning he knows all things He wouldn't need to be bound by time to see what people would do

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Yeah, okay and you gotta think about this I'm, just gonna say hold on one second. I'm gonna I want to try muting

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I'm gonna mute one at a time. One of you guys is given. I think it was just size So just I just you when you're getting feedback

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Um, so so let me let me finish with this though. Just go ahead good Because I just want to be able to complete the thought so when we look at this when we look at the attributes

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Part of god's attributes one of god's attributes I should say is wrath. That's an attribute of god

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He displays that on the wicked. That's right. Okay, people don't like that I get it, but that doesn't mean he's not going to punish it people now people go

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Well, it's not fair but people you know an eternity in a lake of fire because of one little lie

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Because of who you offended. Yeah you Justin if you threaten my life the police are going to tell you to stay away from me

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You threaten joe biden's life. You're going to jail for at least 48 hours It's as long as they can hold you until well, okay, not that's not true anymore january anymore

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Just keep keep them there forever. You don't even have to give charges anymore. Yeah, right Yeah over so so the realities are going to hold you why the threat was the same the difference is who was threatened

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Well, god is infinitely holy and infinitely just and so a crime against him has an infinite consequence

01:00:00

And we have to stop looking at these people and saying well, they're good people Yes, they may be a good person compared to you or hitler

01:00:09

But the reality is they're not good compared to god They are the most vilest of creatures every one of us.

01:00:19

That's right And that is our starting point. It's not that god just goes. Oh, I just want

01:00:24

I want you to be in heaven And just come on in Then he's not just So when they argue that this desire somehow he's got a desire

01:00:35

That has to override his justice Well, then he's not just well, none of that but just in justifiers

01:00:45

He's he's not just and when when you have to remove an attribute from god Or you end up with a different god and therefore you don't have the god of the bible

01:00:56

Okay, this is this is the point So the the when we look at the way the question's framed

01:01:03

He's pitting it as if there's only one option. It's a logical fallacy It's the fallacy of the excluded middle

01:01:10

As if it's either god has a desire or he's going to damn the retrobate and there's no option in between But there is an option in between the biblical option is in between Biblical option is that they deserve every one of us deserves eternity in lake of fire.

01:01:26

That is our starting point but god chooses to Regenerate some because he paid on the cross the full weight of that sin that we owed was paid at the cross

01:01:38

And because it was paid at the cross he can now offer mercy, but he cannot

01:01:44

Offer a whimsical mercy as the god of islam and other religions He can't just go well i'm going to let them in even though there wasn't a payment made

01:01:54

Now if you're going to say the payment was made at the cross Then you're saying that well, okay everything was paid at the cross for everyone

01:02:02

Now you get into the problem of if it was paid then for everyone And it was applied to everyone then everyone goes to heaven.

01:02:12

That's right That's not what ends up happening they have to accept the gift though Exactly.

01:02:19

So so this is one of the things that people don't know with law You know justin if you were to have committed a crime say you're going to go to jail

01:02:25

This is actually i'll give a true scenario uh Someone I knew was in a you know had been dealing drugs before he became a christian.

01:02:33

He worked with the the officer Uh that arrested him to get the guy they really wanted which was his dealer and what ended up happening was

01:02:41

He basically got sentenced. He did a plea bargain six months in prison But he was going to be in the prison where the guy he set up was

01:02:48

And the guy threatened his life well I could offer to do his jail time now.

01:02:54

There's some there's some caveats with it one. I have to be innocent of the crime two I have to be in right state of mind now we could debate that one, but The third is he has to accept it

01:03:07

He did not he was like I am not going to let you do jail time for me Right. I would not accept that That is the that is the reality if somebody's going to reject the gift of god their their natural state is hell

01:03:21

That's where they're headed And if they reject the ticket out of hell, you can't sit there and say well it was applied to them.

01:03:29

Why? Because they rejected it and decided they'd pay it on their own It's like when I go to a restaurant

01:03:34

I try to when sharing the gospel i've had this happen where I pay someone's meal Because we want to we share the gospel and it either doesn't go well or whatnot and I remember

01:03:45

Uh, you know myself another person we paid for someone's meal. The guy was so upset He's like I will pay my own meal

01:03:52

And he paid the meal a second time The it was already paid the restaurant got double but the reality is someone's saying preacher grams

01:04:06

But the the reality is the meal was fully paid But his pride he paid it again

01:04:15

Well, it's that same pride that sends people to hell they could hear the gospel message But they're not going to accept someone else paying their fine

01:04:24

So it doesn't the issue is does god desire it? Yes, god's will is for all to be saved but but that doesn't mean he's forcing it

01:04:31

There's several different aspects of the will of god But he's not going to sit there and work against for free or sorry for moral agents.

01:04:40

In other words The fact is that he gives us a morality He's not going to sit there and force us to be christians against our will

01:04:49

I know that's what some people say calvinism actually teaches but right but we're the ones saying no

01:04:54

We're not a bunch of puppets that god goes. Okay, you're going to be saved. You're not he that's not what it is what it is and I think

01:05:03

Yeah, what would the easiest way to explain calvinism because people look at all the verses And so let me take a couple more minutes here just to explain this and I know you're itching to say something just but nope

01:05:14

I'm just quietly sitting by this is very very important to understand. It's a doctrine called the doctrine of superintending so i'm going to back up and go in an area where all of us even the

01:05:25

This this person who who was saying that no calvinist can answer this Um, it kind of reminds me early on when we started this show when we had the catholic that used to come in And he'd come in every week saying no christian can answer this and we'd answer it like every week

01:05:39

You know, well, that's that's what it kind of reminds me of Um, yeah, there's no way calvinists can answer this question.

01:05:45

They're gonna get angry If they understand it, I think I understand it, you know, if if not join us and and let's discuss it, but uh

01:05:54

I I didn't get angry. Uh, i'm still laughing and smiling. So the the issue is this so Angog, whatever, you know, he's got two different names.

01:06:05

I don't know we'll go the facebook name. Uh, but we end up seeing is How do we got how do we get the scripture so if we look at the book of romans who wrote romans

01:06:16

Well, you're going to say paul Really? Well, you're going to say god So who wrote romans was it paul or was it god?

01:06:23

Well, this is where we have a doctrine of superintending That doctrine when we look at the doctrine of inspiration is the idea that god works through the human authors

01:06:31

In such a way that the very things they chose to write were exactly as god intended it to be

01:06:37

Such that god gets 100 of the credit and the author gets none the author can't take credit for writing god's word

01:06:44

And so did paul write different than peter? Yes, and john and moses and You know samuel they have different styles

01:06:53

Paul's going to write personal things And we're going to see that and realize that he's choosing to use certain words

01:07:02

But yet he can't write that and it be scripture without god working through him

01:07:08

It's not the dictation model that god dictated and he wrote it's otherwise

01:07:14

These personal things make no sense in there It's not that Everything paul wrote was inspired because we know he wrote at least one and I believe two letters to corinth to corinth

01:07:23

That are not included in scripture So we end up seeing that god works through the human authors to Make so that such that the choices they make are as exactly as god intended them to be

01:07:35

Okay, we accept that and and that's almost universally accepted in conservative christianity

01:07:41

What let's move to another doctrine sanctification Do we do good works?

01:07:47

Well, yes we do Because god does it through us Such that god gets the credit for good works not us

01:07:55

So again, we see this doctrine of super intending god working through me so that the choices I make to do good are exactly as god chose that god

01:08:04

Had intended for me to make and god gets all the credit Okay, we now see the doctrine of superintending.

01:08:10

It's it's applied in sancta in Sanctification in inspiration. The only difference that I have is

01:08:17

I apply it to regeneration problem solved God worked through me so that when

01:08:23

I chose god He was actually choosing me The choice I made to repent was god working through me such that the choice

01:08:33

I made Was exactly as god intended it to be Not against my will

01:08:39

With my will such that god gets a hundred percent of the credit That's right.

01:08:44

That is the way to explain it. That's that's what I explain in my book What do we believe? I was actually nervous with that.

01:08:50

I asked phil johnson. I was like, you know, are you are you in agreement with my view on this? And he said you're in agreement with john macarthur and I went good

01:08:59

Always good to be in agreement with him, right All right, so I I know that was a little bit longer but now now we're necessary.

01:09:07

Yeah Because there's so much confusion on this. Yeah With this and I personally think like it's not very hard to understand if you understand the doctrine of superintending.

01:09:18

Yeah Well, and you have to think the scripture tells us we're dead in trespass and sin Well, how does the dead man respond to god and become alive on his own?

01:09:27

You know this, you know, we're we're clear that the bible, you know tells us uh, let's look at ephesians 2 and you

01:09:34

He made alive Who are dead and trespass and sin in which we both we once walked according to the course of this world

01:09:42

According to the prince of the power of the air the spirit that now works in the sons of disobedience Among whom also we once conducted ourselves in the lust of our flesh

01:09:51

Fulfilling the desires of our flesh and of the mind see that has to do with our sin nature

01:09:57

Right. That's the sin nature and it says this and we're by nature children of wrath just as the other our nature

01:10:06

Was just like everyone else Romans 9 tells us that we were the we were all part of this one lump clay of vile depravity

01:10:14

I mean, it's just it's what it is Romans tells us that we were all together every single person that's ever existed.

01:10:20

None good Not even one ephesians. We're all dead in sin But god in his kindness,

01:10:27

I love that word those two words, but god But god, he's the one that saved us

01:10:32

We don't get pride to take it to say that we did it of ourselves. And I think

01:10:38

I I wanted to go back and and um Um You deleted them, uh, so, um, sorry, that's okay the one that uh drew uh drew

01:10:51

Oh, no, are you out brother? All right. So you good night. Just uh, good night. I'm glad you're feeling better By the way, you're still there about the evolution

01:10:58

No, no, the the one on um, the the one about how he would how he would talk to the calvinist Oh that wasn't in there.

01:11:04

Oh, i'm, sorry. Um There's there's an issue of of how you talk to to to someone um

01:11:12

Dealing with the issue of god looking down through the corridor of time Um, I want to go back to that because we have to think about it this way

01:11:19

If i'm here where drew says a good A good way to to ask it is did god know before the foundation of the world who would be saved?

01:11:30

If so, how did he know and there's the quarters of time? Yeah, there's a quarter of time.

01:11:35

I mean They say it's the quarters of time it then they're putting god bound by time and they don't have the god of the bible

01:11:42

Okay, you're you you just jumped into where I was talking about. I feel bad now Seriously, seriously think about this

01:11:48

I had a pastor say this to me one time. Well, god had to look down through time to know who was going to be saved

01:11:53

God doesn't learn anything Well, if he did if he does guys, here's the issue

01:12:00

If he does have to look down through time To know who's gonna there's two issues If he has to look down through time from the beginning before the foundation of the world had to look down through time

01:12:09

That means that time is the thing that delegates to god what he can do All right, first thing right and that's that's not the god of the bible good point secondly

01:12:21

If he looked down through time and saw what you would do and then saved you before the foundation of the world based upon what?

01:12:28

He saw that you would do you now have lost all free agency and you are slave to time

01:12:34

Just like god is slave to time and he saved you Based on what he saw down through the court of time

01:12:42

You have no free will in that scenario either So you have a problem? Yeah, and there's problems as drew said then he's not omniscient.

01:12:50

Correct, right? So I I may be confused though, but Didn't the person put in the comments said we can't answer this.

01:12:57

Well, you can't andrew you can't i'm sorry You can't everybody just You want to take a shot at answering this then

01:13:03

I mean obviously we couldn't do it I mean the two of us just answered it, but maybe a third person can answer it as well

01:13:11

I mean You know, this this is the thing right? It's like no one can answer this question.

01:13:16

Yeah, there's an easy answer We we've just done it now. I haven't seen him responding anymore.

01:13:22

So I don't know if he's still in here or not I didn't block him out This this also speaks to I I think something that we continue to see is just this this influence of um of Unbiblical church culture um

01:13:39

As as the lens and the framework to which so many people view the scriptures Instead of gathering our framework from what the scriptures teach

01:13:48

It's not difficult And it's not hard you don't you don't need a doctorate from tms to be able to see that the the doctrine of predestination and what the foreknowledge of god means you don't you don't need that and And I think too, you know,

01:14:03

I mean the name of the show is apologetics live I mean, this is the this also speaks to the necessity of professing believers to hold to a presuppositional

01:14:12

Apologetic view you you you stand your ground on what the scriptures teach and andrew you laid out the reason why so wonderfully

01:14:18

But it's clear It's clear unless You're trying to talk to someone who as paul said in corinthians has the veil over their eyes

01:14:27

And can't understand and can't fathom the wisdom Uh that is found in the scriptures.

01:14:32

Um, I I think of martin lloyd -jones lloyd -jones uh was so famous for saying that if you uh, if you come to a theological position

01:14:42

And you can only You can only prove it By one verse of scripture that theological position is wrong start over Because scripture will interpret scripture and it will be clear.

01:14:56

You will be able to support it according to the whole counsel of god Well, but you

01:15:01

I would say you only need one scripture To teach something for it to be true. Sure, right because it's from scripture

01:15:07

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01:16:39

All right, so Hey guys real quick. I just I just There's something I was

01:16:44

I was wanting to say that that that I want to kind of address everybody as christians um just What I noticed in the comment there from the gentleman that just kept on posting and posting and posting um

01:16:59

And I say this all due respect We we all fail at this. We all mess up at this

01:17:05

But in the social culture that we live in in the society we live in in the world society we live in we are seeing a absolute plummeting of Respect and love and care and graciousness

01:17:21

Um, i'll just give you an example re fuentes for example that man I mean, he's been attacking everybody and he's constantly does

01:17:30

I don't I don't interact with him anymore, but but not just him There are so many people on social media today that if you say anything they disagree with You know you you're so stupid you calvinist you this you that you armenians you this you that you know

01:17:47

What get over your cage stage get over your your your i'm the only christian that's right you know,

01:17:53

I I I mean there's post -millennial guys that you know, drew I I mean Look when we're in heaven, he's going to be sitting there saying, you know, you guys were right and i'm okay with him being wrong

01:18:02

But it's okay. Seriously. I i'm okay with poking fun at this, you know to that extent.

01:18:09

I love drew I think he's a wonderful brother, you know, he's he's a dear friend. Um, he's he's just going to be in heaven before he knows it

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He's just going to be in heaven. Actually, he's gonna be shooting up and into the clouds going. Oh, I was wrong Thank you lord, and i'm just like hey, come on brother and no, but seriously

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What if i'm wrong? Okay, so what I I really I really I care about the theological and doctrinal truth and I get passionate about it, but let's not be hate -filled

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01:18:42

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So let's get to what's the next question on the docket there. Where are we at? Okay Well, you were mentioning mr

01:19:39

Ari fuentes, so maybe we should take the there was one that came in actually before that marcy had one Let me put this one up actually because this is in line with what we were saying

01:19:47

What is the term the theological term for god being? separate From this creation slash outside of time so, um, well you're talking about Omnipotence omniscience.

01:20:03

I mean those are uh, those are definitely in play there Um, well, I think I think she's referring to the immensity

01:20:10

Okay is is I think the the term she's she's looking for. Okay. Um, but you know that that would be the the

01:20:18

I mean the theological term but the idea, you know, I was dealing with this this week where someone was asking me how um

01:20:26

How how the fact of how do you know god is outside of time? Well if time had a beginning

01:20:33

And god created everything Before the beginning he's before he's before time, you know, we measure time by things like light

01:20:42

Well, he was before there was light In fact, he created the light And that that light he created he he even said this is to measure time so You know, uh, so if there's a time space continuum that was that had a beginning

01:20:58

God began it Yeah That's right if you have an in in the beginning god

01:21:06

You know, which I think we see that And so she's saying yes transcendence. Thank you, brother

01:21:11

She was just trying to remember, uh, kofi kofi is saying transcendence question mark because he thought that was that And then

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All right. So what's the next question on the docket? Okay. What do we got here? Um kt Well, let's go there.

01:21:42

This was the one you mentioned r .a. Fuentes. So, oh, okay And saying pastor what is your best wishes to the upcoming july 28th debate with a reformed baptist?

01:21:53

brother to r .a. Fuentes also, so Um, yes, there will be another debate.

01:22:00

John myers has a debate with him And so that is coming up Uh and john is going on his show

01:22:08

On to r .a. Fuentes his show so it's going to be uh, I think real early in the morning for john John and I will be meeting tomorrow.

01:22:16

We got some, you know do some debate prep Uh, he's planning from what I remember I understand to do a very similar thing that I did with him is

01:22:23

Exposed that this guy actually is a calvinist and doesn't understand what calvinism is. Yeah So yeah,

01:22:29

I mean it's it there's not much to r .a. Fuentes. So my best wishes Uh that r .a.

01:22:35

Fuentes would would just Go away. Yeah, or as well says go home.

01:22:41

I mean, you're you're you're not a pastor I mean, he's by the way, I I should say and and I'm, i'm interested in the debate because maybe we could write a couple more articles because right now

01:22:51

Well, or at least the last time I searched on r .a. Fuentes Striving fraternity has five articles that come up before his youtube his facebook or any of his stuff comes up Okay, so we we did what we wanted to do is that if anyone goes to search for r .a.

01:23:07

Fuentes They find all of the things that we have put out there showing that this guy is not someone that should be debating

01:23:15

He's debating topics. He does not understand So I guess my best wishes would be that he kind of repents and realizes.

01:23:23

Oh Oh, I understand what calvinism actually is And I was wrong all this time

01:23:29

Uh the the the name I think he's he worded it's the debate similar to the one with me it's like calvinism is

01:23:36

Sounding like calvinism is a demonic doctrine and dangerous or something like that so You know, it's like I remember somebody did a somebody did a uh, uh

01:23:48

Thing on striving fraternity. Uh, why in the world are you debating r .a. Fuentes? Yes Yeah, josiah wrote that article

01:23:55

No, I was that oh you wrote that one, okay, that's what I wrote. Yeah. Yes.

01:24:01

I wrote a couple too and yeah Well, all right. The thing is is well, but the thing is is if you want to know what i'm wishing for Advil he's going to need some advil

01:24:10

He's going to need some kind of pain reliever in his head because he's going to have a headache for it so with because the guy doesn't listen and all he does is scream over people so And and he he wants you to pray

01:24:23

He wants closing prayer, but then he takes his earbuds out chris you had a puzzle look did you see the debate?

01:24:30

Oh, you've got to watch that at the end the guys the guy is begging for us to close in prayer

01:24:37

And he just he takes his his headphones out And he just sits there and then waits until Until we end up You know saying amen and soon as we say amen, he puts his headphones back in.

01:24:49

Uh, so so here so uh, rebecca jeffers jefferson who needs She needs to update her youtube channel because that's not her last name anymore.

01:24:59

You newlywed you Uh aseity I googled it. It's sort of the opposite of transcendence.

01:25:05

That's right uh So transcendence is that god is far away aseity is that he's outside of his creation.

01:25:13

Thank you for that. I I was wrong Which by the way that just goes to show when people say that I never say i'm wrong.

01:25:20

Oops well Okay, so that that brings up something right and this is something that um, uh that my brother alex rodriguez of the men's muster and I have been talking about is

01:25:31

People that profess to be believers in the lord jesus christ when you are confronted with truth

01:25:37

You should be able If you are wrong on a position you should be able to go Okay.

01:25:43

Yeah. No, I I was I was incorrect on that one. Um, I was wrong And and and this is an example,

01:25:50

I mean if this guy i've not i'm not seeing the debate I'm, not seeing really anything by this guy. I mean, but if this is the way he's acting I agree with drew give him the gospel

01:25:58

Yeah, or he gave him the gospel. Yeah, we did. He ignored it twice. Yeah Sounds to me like he did not want to hear it and the irony was

01:26:06

The irony was he was saying that I don't care about the gospel and I don't I don't share the gospel

01:26:12

Right, right with him because he needs it This reminds me of uh of a guy named brandon tatum, right this guy brandon tatum the officer tatum

01:26:21

He's all over youtube and social media as a as a conservative talk show host and he professes to love christ

01:26:28

But denies the deity of christ and the trinity. Oh And when when everything that happened in uvalde happened, he's a former police officer

01:26:37

Uh, I mean he was defending these cops till the cows came home And all this evidence continues to come out and come out and come out and come out and finally,

01:26:47

I just He went on instagram live and he was like I dare anybody to come on here and debate me and i'm like I'll do guys.

01:26:56

I don't like debate drew will tell you. I don't I don't typically i'm I I agree with lloyd jones again.

01:27:01

Lloyd jones says that god doesn't want to be debated proclaim and move on um, and so Like that's just I I love that lloyd jones said that in preaching and preachers

01:27:11

But that brings up something that we're seeing a lot Right the pride of of those who profess faith in christ like if you're wrong

01:27:19

Just say okay. Whoops. I was wrong on that one I I didn't get that one, right? Uh, I I missed the mark

01:27:26

Um, you know, so so humble clay said tatum, uh tatum need not discuss theology.

01:27:32

It goes south way fast Um, and that's absolutely true But he's also asked for people to come on and debate him there and i've offered

01:27:38

To come on and share with him. Where does scripture say that? Jesus was god and i'm like i'm i'm copying and pasting

01:27:45

Anyone that anyone that wants that that knows this tim guy just contact him and say let's set up a debate right here

01:27:51

Come on, please. Yeah, just just come right ahead I'll do it but guys

01:27:57

I mean when we when we get stuff wrong just admit it Yep, right. I mean I used to I used to lead music and lead lead musical worship in churches

01:28:04

I used to play hill song. I used to play a little bit of elevation Uh passion Only more but I and I was wrong in that I was wrong in that normative approach to worship

01:28:15

There's nothing wrong with admitting you're a human being in need of god's grace and sanctification

01:28:22

It's just it's just something that's staggering wrong and and admitting you're wrong is

01:28:29

Basically the exact thing that is required for a christian, correct Yeah Kofi had said you put it up a couple times but kofi said

01:28:37

You all have more patience than me. The re fuentes discussion made me so mad

01:28:44

Yeah, he he kofi actually called me after that debate after he watched he was like I could have watched and I was like so upset with the guy

01:28:52

Um, and and and that's the thing, you know, even with the guy that was saying that calvin so there will get angry

01:28:57

I'm, not angry Like if i'm wrong i'm wrong I mean You know, i'll put it this way.

01:29:03

I think you know, matt slick and I were doing a debate we were in an apologetics cruise and so We basically were the keynotes.

01:29:13

I mean we spoke like I think I spoke nine times. He spoke 10 times in like You know 10 days. It was like every day.

01:29:19

We were speaking once or twice And we had a debate on covenant theology versus dispensationalism and I really

01:29:27

Thought this was brilliant, you know, someone asked a question they noticed that I was answering for the straw man arguments that dispensationalists make against Covenant theology and he was answering the straw man arguments covenant theologians make against dispensationalism

01:29:42

And someone had noticed that and said hey You know, I notice you guys do this

01:29:49

Is like is it on purpose? Why do you do it? And matt had a really insightful answer matt said

01:29:56

We can do this because andrew and I both know we're wrong Don't know where In our theology, we're wrong.

01:30:04

Otherwise, we would change it, but we both know that when we sit at the feet of christ He's going to correct each of us.

01:30:12

There's some areas where andrew's right. There's gonna be some areas where i'm right There's gonna be some areas. We're both wrong.

01:30:17

He said but we don't fight over theology And and do the name calling because we both know we're wrong, right?

01:30:25

They just don't know where and I think that's very insightful Here marcia mercy is saying andrew is an expert in Debating non -emotionally.

01:30:35

I wish I could do that. The the irony is if you listen to re fuentes I mean watch that debate because afterwards he was telling people that I was

01:30:45

Lost my mind. I was I was out of control. I was yelling. I was I lost my control It's like oh, oh, okay

01:30:53

Okay Like I don't know what you're watching hmm so so let's let's uh, there was a couple times

01:31:00

I got frustrated I will admit that and and You know, but far less than he did with me.

01:31:06

Yeah, andrew's no steven anderson over there. Okay. Oh, okay. You just mentioned So we're sitting there.

01:31:12

We're evangelizing this weekend, right? and we Come upon this couple that they're they're believers

01:31:18

And so we're talking and they they they actually one of the few that could actually kind of explain the gospel and then the the wife says

01:31:28

Yeah, we we you know because they they don't go to church and i'm like well You should be going to a church and they're like we keep looking but but we just we love steven anderson

01:31:36

I mean, he's so solid and backs up everything with scripture And i'm just sitting there going. Okay.

01:31:42

I'm here to share the gospel Am I going to get into this discussion? Or am

01:31:48

I going to give the gospel to people that need the gospel and i'm just like Have a nice day. Let me go get the gospel.

01:31:54

I'm like Oh, man, I just didn't feel like on the street and and so now some people might say but you why wouldn't you correct them?

01:32:03

well The the thing is is I was in You know on the boardwalk there to evangelize with a lot of other christians evangelizing

01:32:12

People listening to the evangelism the open air and handing tracks out and conversations hearing two christians two professing christians arguing over theology or over steven anderson

01:32:26

Would that be profitable for the gospel probably not and and so I was more concerned with our main purpose for being out there

01:32:33

Now had I sat and had sat down over a cup of coffee with them. It'd be very different.

01:32:39

That's good, man. Yeah All right. So what's we got four? There's a question here Yeah, um

01:32:47

I I just pulled up the wrong. Give me just a second. I'm, sorry Am I still there?

01:32:52

Okay, I thought I just lost everybody No, we're just waiting on you Just all right

01:32:57

So jody jody asked the question and and this is a really important question.

01:33:02

Help me to understand what's wrong with those guys elevation Methyl music hill song

01:33:08

Um in my private worship, she says I understand not having them in church

01:33:14

But there are some of their songs that are not theologically a mess so i'll let you guys answer what you're gonna answer and i'm gonna

01:33:24

Uh, we we keep the question up. Uh, oh, yeah, so I yeah, I just um, you know, so uh jody to answer your question um a couple of things in today's world, um, whenever you

01:33:37

Listen to those songs digitally Um, what's happening is you are paying royalties through your time

01:33:44

You're paying royalties to these songwriters and organizations that are writing songs and preaching a false gospel

01:33:52

Um, and so there's there's one thing you are contributing financially By listening to those songs digitally to false teaching ultimately

01:34:02

Um and and you're absolutely right there are some some of their songs are not theologically a mess.

01:34:09

Um, You know, so let me give you an exact example naming names. Okay Uh, chris tomlin recently released a song

01:34:17

Called holy forever. It's a very god -focused song. I've read the lyrics to the song

01:34:22

I used to be one that loved everything tomlin did anybody who's ever been a part of a church service that I led

01:34:30

Understands that now. Yep Now here's what's important about that. Guess who he wrote that song with A guy named jason ingram who's writing songs with everybody right now

01:34:40

Uh, he wrote the song with brian johnson of bethel Bethel, so if I go and listen to chris tomlin's latest song

01:34:49

I am contributing to brian and jen johnson's ministry of teaching a false christ and preaching a false gospel.

01:34:56

Yeah now Chris partners with with all those guys Jason ingram partners with all those guys and i'm glad that that changes everything for you

01:35:04

Now, let me let me say this from a from a non Uh money making standpoint, um, you know for me personally i'll just i'll just share it share this for me personally

01:35:15

I don't want to sing songs like everybody's like everybody's like well Sinners write these songs and every so if we sing hymns, then those are sinners who didn't get it, right?

01:35:26

um You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. However a couple of things about that Did those sinners that wrote that song was their goal?

01:35:37

Was their goal to elevate god according to the scriptures to glorify him and and did their lives reflect that?

01:35:45

Even though they fell on their face even though they were going through the process of sanctification just like we all are um

01:35:51

Or was their goal the goal of their instruction? Um the same thing as the hiss of the serpent in genesis did god really say and twisting the scriptures um so so Also at the same time let me say this.

01:36:09

Um, I understand that not everybody may feel that way um, there are times i'll be listening to a playlist and uh,

01:36:16

There's a song that chris has called almighty or times that he's covered i'm using chris as a specific example that he's covered hymns and done a

01:36:24

Fabulous job with them if he doesn't add things to them. Um, um You know,

01:36:30

I will say I will I will say let me let me say this amazing grace. My chains are gone Him adding the original last verse of the song.

01:36:37

I thought was wonderful And personally, I don't mind the chorus of my chains are gone. I've been set free my god

01:36:43

My savior has ransomed me And and by the blood is by the blood is mercy reigns amazing.

01:36:48

Love amazing grace wonderful words. I don't have a problem that personally Are there songs that i'll listen to yeah, sure.

01:36:54

Absolutely from a personal standpoint when I play them in church No, I would just say we have to use discernment a high level of discernment in today's technologically driven world and understanding that what we do in our private worship with our time talent and treasure matters our time could

01:37:11

Could contribute treasure to someone else's false teaching. Yeah And and you have to think too you have like, uh, chris volatone.

01:37:18

You've got jesus culture. You've got crowder You've got um bethel music. You have elevation music all of them

01:37:27

Every one of them are teaching a different gospel and a different jesus um Every one of them, uh hill song worship.

01:37:34

They're all I mean hill song is now defunct You know and you have you have all this going on uh, they're they're teaching, you know, uh health wealth prosperity gospel, uh, bethel music

01:37:47

Um, jesus culture is tied in with the the Passion conference and louis giglio and and chris

01:37:58

Tomlin, they're all sitting there together and they're talking about, you know, lectio divina. They're talking about a different god a different jesus, you know jesus is um

01:38:07

Uh supposed to be having an impact in your life that he's speaking to you audibly physically and if not, you're you're not uh as christian as as I am, you know, and um, yeah crowder has been uh has been teaching a lot of uh

01:38:23

A lot of different things that have been going on and I can't give you exact Uh reference at this moment

01:38:30

There's just so many things that are going on That and i'll be glad to to look into that and and give you an update on that but each one of them are bringing in different aspects of false teaching um

01:38:44

And and the problem is is it sounds good? Music sounds so good music is so compelling that bethel the bill johnson andrew and I did a show where bill johnson was talking about You know that he uses the music as the avenue for evangelism.

01:39:03

Yes You know, they bring people in so when you're listening to this one, that's not that bad Are you listening to that one?

01:39:09

That's not that bad or well, this song isn't that bad You you might have discernment and you might be able to say you might be able to say you know what?

01:39:17

I don't have to grab a hold of that. I can I can stay away from that. But are your kids? Are the people around you?

01:39:23

Do they know what you're listening to and what it's about? Right. Remember music like uh, uh, our brother ecchi, uh posted something on on twitter about um, ushering people, you know, the the moments of worship are ushering people into the throne room of god and ecchi's like stop that Stop that the god god

01:39:41

When when the lord saves you the holy spirit comes to live inside of you and you are ushered into the throne of grace Stop that nonsense.

01:39:48

Um But but but remember this justin to your point. You just said remember this Even the demons know the scriptures and shudder.

01:39:57

Yep Yeah, okay Even the demons know the scriptures and shudder

01:40:04

So we we you you have to use discernment you do um

01:40:10

You know, and now i'm seeing a bunch of questions come in. What about this person? What about that person? Well, I mean Research who they're partnering with.

01:40:16

I mean look I like what would I all right? So let's say I was a songwriter and I am a musician. Uh, I I still play like let's say i'm a songwriter

01:40:25

And I start writing songs Um, i'd start writing hymns and and one of those guys reaches out to me

01:40:32

Hey, you know, can you will you come and do this with us? Will you come and do this camp with us? Will you come and lead music for whatever it is?

01:40:39

And they're teaching false gospel And you partner with them anyway for the sake of unity this ecumenical this overly ecumenical focus

01:40:48

Why why are you doing that? What is the motivation? Are you a slave to god or are you a slave to man?

01:40:54

So I think examining who these people partner with and look i'm not everybody whenever I bring this up y 'all

01:41:00

Because the circles I used to run in whenever I bring this up on facebook the comments that come out of the woodwork of I mean just Gnashing of teeth and you're a pharisee.

01:41:12

You're a fundamentalist. I'm like, well, first of all, you don't even know what those two words mean second of all um, no, my desire is to be biblical my desire is as Paul said in first timothy 1 5 the goal of our command is love from a pure heart and good conscience and an unhypocritical faith

01:41:28

Like my my desire is to be biblical And to encourage others to do the same thing and so partnering with people who are spreading a false christ and a false gospel partnering with wolves who who are are known and accused predators

01:41:43

No, absolutely not. I will not give my time talent or treasure or expose those in my care to those people

01:41:52

Yeah, but but yeah, so drew we had a brother Yeah, we had a brother

01:41:59

Say say but but but chris, you know, he said he said well, they're just immature So we're going to give them grace.

01:42:05

Well, if they're immature, then they shouldn't be on a platform. That's right They shouldn't be teaching which by the way the way music was designed

01:42:13

By the way is is to help us Memorize and to help solidify things in our in in the inner man in the in the soul

01:42:23

And so it helps you learn it helps you grow and so if you have somebody who's quote -unquote immature

01:42:28

Which that's what what drew and I heard when we talked about core gaspary on matter of theology and reckless love reckless worship Is well, he's just immature and so we need to show him grace.

01:42:37

There's grace. There's grace Absolutely. No one's saying there's no one is right Correct then in my

01:42:44

I mean when you look at the levitical the levitical priests the ones who led music I just got done reading through this in the old testament

01:42:51

When you look at the levitical priests who were in charge of the music That the standards that they had to meet were higher

01:42:59

Than those who would like carry the ark or that would that would that would guard the holy of holies

01:43:06

It's super there are so many immature unqualified men and women

01:43:14

Leading music and churches that have no biblical warrant to be doing so Yep And let me let me uh say that if you want if you go to strifeofchurch .org

01:43:24

We do have an article just search for music uh, one of the things I make as an argument in there with music is the fact that People give a pass on the music.

01:43:35

They just look at the lyrics Not realizing that you know what these groups do is they come up with music that that lures you in emotionally

01:43:45

So that you're not thinking about the lyrics and you like the feeling because what we see in scripture is that The first line of defense against sin is your thinking

01:43:55

Then your emotions then your volition So if if music could get past the thinking and get right to the emotion, it's that much further

01:44:04

So that is why you can have a perfectly fine lyrics, for example, amazing grace

01:44:10

I've heard amazing grace be sung in a sinful way Sandy patty did it with this breathy

01:44:17

You know sound to it, which was all this sensual sounding of her voice

01:44:23

The lyrics are fine the way she sang it sinful Because the emotions it it stirs up by doing it

01:44:31

She sang it the same way that that marilyn monroe sang happy birthday to jfk It was that same breathiness, that's good.

01:44:40

So, you know, so That puts it, you know, I guess that draws the picture the imagery of what it is

01:44:46

Let me just put this up Rebecca says this and this is the way we should be Rebecca says kudos, uh to kathy for bringing up a city first.

01:44:54

We just googled it and so That's what we should be doing folks not trying to take credit for others and whatnot

01:44:59

Let me bring in the cleverest guy in the room aka John, he I know you had some questions.

01:45:05

So um What do you got? My well earlier this week I had a a discussion with an atheist, uh, she had she made the claim that jesus uh fulfilled none of the prophecies

01:45:20

And I was like really so What could she name any prophecies that well?

01:45:28

I know I well, I mean I asked her I go, please, you know share with me What uh what you have and so what

01:45:36

I was going to do uh Well, I was going to share the the page, but I guess

01:45:42

I can't i'm not uh Hmm i'm not anyway, so um

01:45:51

Here's what she wrote. She wrote she wrote i'll go ahead and just read what she wrote here The the messiah must be a physical descendant of david and then she gives a couple of uh scripture

01:46:02

References romans 1 3 and acts 2 30 Yeah, how could jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in matthew 1 and luke 3 show

01:46:14

He descended from david through joseph Who was not his natural father because of the virgin birth hence this prophecy could not have been fulfilled and I just felt like as if this person

01:46:32

Did not understand The difference of the two genealogies one deals with uh

01:46:40

Well, yeah, I think let me let me stop you before you're going to say son i'll disagree with But I actually don't think it's mary and joseph.

01:46:48

I don't think the genealogies are mary and joseph Right, very interesting. But if you go back, uh

01:46:54

You know the an early historian uh noted that Joseph had a kinsman redeemer.

01:47:03

I think it was his great -grandfather or great -great -grandfather Somewhere in the line was a kinsman redeemer.

01:47:09

So they're two separate lines However, um we so I would say we don't know mary's line it could be from david, but The the fact is is that it you know

01:47:23

Mary either way, you know, the idea is mary could have been from from David's line but in that generation

01:47:33

Joseph who was from david's line adopting him Made him of that line

01:47:41

Okay, it's an adoptionist. You have to understand the way adoption works Okay, so adopting someone

01:47:48

Puts them in that in that line It's the same thing as a kinsman redeemer that you're you're having your own children, but they're not in your name

01:47:59

They're in the previous brother's name Or maybe in in a relative's name

01:48:06

So right and I was doing some research on it and I think one commentary I came across they said, um one lineage, uh is kind of a for a king

01:48:17

While the other one in luke, uh kind of does the the blood Yeah, that's the argument one is from mary and that's the bloodline one is from Uh, one is from david's

01:48:29

Is from joseph for the king line being the adoption and so Matthew being trying to focus on jesus being king.

01:48:38

That's the king line Uh luke being one who's the doctor. He's the bloodline

01:48:43

But I I actually think what those are based on you know early and you know his historian making the comment

01:48:51

Leads me to believe that what they are is because they both say they're of joseph So I think what it is if there was a kinsman redeemer you have two different lines both going to david because there was a you know a

01:49:03

One is the kinsman redeemer line. One is the the actual genealogical line and so That if that's the case either way, it doesn't matter because jesus was adopted

01:49:15

By joseph and would have been under that line Gotcha, okay Yeah, there was a bunch of other ones that they touched on but um,

01:49:25

But that was one that I kind of went on for like the longest time. Um, I'm, just kind of going through some of the things that they mentioned uh

01:49:34

Oh, here's the thing. Matthew 1 23 says that jesus the messiah would be called emmanuel

01:49:41

Which means god with us yet. No one not not even his parents called him

01:49:46

Emmanuel at any point in the bible Wow That was like whoa.

01:49:53

Oh, no christianity destroyed But actually what was he there for?

01:49:59

For claiming to be god with us. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Um, but actually the angels

01:50:06

Told mary that You're going to have A child and he will be god

01:50:15

With us he's going to be literally what it means. He's going to be god with us It's it's the the actual declaration is from heaven itself

01:50:24

Yeah, that's that's a really bad argument Yeah, it was it was really bad.

01:50:29

I was like you understand that names and have meaning and and Look the reality is when people have a narrative the truth doesn't matter

01:50:41

Okay It's just the reality. Yeah, so um So I think we got through all the questions

01:50:51

That we had back. I mean, I know you got a couple of them still starred but they were ones we already answered. Yeah, and more the other is a comment, so i'll just um so with that Let me just give an update on some other things where where we're going to be first off Can we're going to encourage you guys go to strife of attorney?

01:51:09

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01:51:16

Uh support you support small small churches, which is what we try to do go to striving fraternity .org

01:51:22

support We will travel to your church regardless of size and do a weekend seminar

01:51:29

That is though getting more and more difficult with the price of flights flights have tripled

01:51:36

And so it is really hard for us to be able to get around and do Some of the things we try to do to help out small churches because the the reality is that uh

01:51:48

It costs money So if you guys could help us out, especially on a monthly basis, that would really help us

01:51:56

We did take a loss during 2020. We lost like 60 of our donations in 2020.

01:52:01

We've recovered some of that But we really are in need of help because we've been going to help out some churches

01:52:08

And with the travel expenses it's getting harder We don't want to have to say no to churches, but we can't keep losing money.

01:52:15

So we need monthly supporters So if you consider Helping us out. That would be great. Let me let you guys know where where we're going to be

01:52:23

This weekend this saturday i'll be out at grace life bible church That is in anvil pa i'll be preaching there

01:52:32

I will be out at kootenai community church Now i'm going to be out there for for two weeks out if you're out in this is pastor

01:52:40

Jim osmond's church where he is. So if you're in the sandpoint idaho area, i'll be there august 5th to august 20th

01:52:48

So if you're out there, let's let's get together. I'll be over at that church. We're Doing some stuff

01:52:55

I will be august 25th to 29th anthony and I will be at living waters helping out to train up future evangelists

01:53:03

Uh, we lead their some of their teams and their ambassador academy, so we'll be out there G3 regional conference in dc.

01:53:11

I plan on going to that that's september 15th to the 17th If you're going to that come find me

01:53:19

Especially if you listen to the podcast either this one or the rap report podcast so I know who it is that's been listening

01:53:26

Uh just scheduled a one day Event it's a saturday event for men

01:53:33

It is with crossroads church. This is in jersey shore Pennsylvania, which confused me because I was like wait jersey shore

01:53:43

Jersey shore is in jersey shore. No jersey shore pennsylvania if you're in that area men

01:53:49

Uh september 24th You can check out their website cross roads and that's plural crossroads church online

01:53:58

So crossroads church .online Uh, they you can get a hold of them to get the details, but that is going to be september 24th

01:54:07

I'll be doing two topics on basically manhood Uh, basically getting men to step up and be men crazy idea

01:54:16

So that's some of the churches the places we're going to be I hope to see you guys there come find me if you are one of those events

01:54:23

And if you can make it to some of those events It would be great to see you And if you could help support us so we can get to more churches and help more churches out

01:54:31

That would be great. We would appreciate that And uh, I think this is going to be justin's last week for a while as school is going to start up again he goes back into his little cave to down and study and you know, basically just pick his head up to Take a night through his kids.

01:54:51

That's about it And uh, and then go back down to the cave where he's going to be eating and studying and eating and studying and eating and studying so That's gonna be about it.

01:55:02

I tell you one thing. Um, I looked at my schedule. I might be able to come in from time to time uh after nine o 'clock, so Maybe we'll see how it works out

01:55:12

If you're doing a show, maybe I can jump in so yeah Well, we we appreciate everybody. I hope that you've we've gotten to your questions