An Argument for "Gay Christianity"

Opening Banter and Show Introduction

Okay, so you're saying that because you read the Bible for 20 years and meditate upon it. No one has done that.

Maybe done that but Certainly, I am among the top 1 who spend that much of meditation and reading scriptures. So that you are thinking I I just came up with some Opinion and then I try to find it on the scriptures.

It's not like that. Okay. I have a question. Does your arm hurt?

No, no, because I mean you're patting yourself on the back so much. I was afraid your arm might hurt. You know, I was just I mean leaning on the wall. Did you did you know that pride is a sin?

It's actually like the number one. Okay, I know I know all that.

Shaming tactics. It's not a shaming tactic. You just praised yourself. Yeah, I'll say you're in. You're in the top percent of all Christians in the world. You should be ashamed of yourself.

This is apologetics live to answer your questions your host from striving for eternity ministries.

Well, welcome to another apologetics live. I am your host Andrew Rappaport. I forgot about that guy. The guy said he had never sinned in it before and he was in the top 1 of all Christians. He that guy even said that you could sleep with a prostitute in faith, and it wouldn't be wrong.

Okay so. But I'll bring my my co-host drew in here. Oh Wait, you you don't look like drew. You look a lot like Aaron Myself. Yeah, is drew in my room. Yes am Brewster one of our speakers at striving for eternity and so.

Welcome, you're gonna be filling in for drew today. He's he is. Then the guy is out taking his wife out for dinner for her birthday. I mean the nerve of that guy.

You know, hey, I've subbed for both of you guys, which which means that not only are both of you replaceable. But you're replaceable by me. So I I don't know what I do extrapolate that out.

Terrible for you both of you. Yeah, and so so we're glad to be here. We're gonna be introducing our guests today with topic. We're gonna do today and I'm gonna explain this in a bit. Is we're gonna talk about gay Christianity.

We have someone that's gonna come in and make an argument for that. I'm gonna give a little bit of a history of on him and How this came about? Would and we'll introduce him. We'll just deal with briefly as we usually do we try to do is an in the news section.

Just talk about one news topic. Just give a Christian way of thinking about it. Then we usually deal with our topic for the first hour and Anyone is welcome to come in and ask any questions. They want on the show.

You just go to apologetics live .com. Thursday night 8 to 10 Eastern Time. We have people that come in from all over the world. You can comment many people go to our YouTube watch stream it live and then from there ask questions.

Which is gonna be harder because usually Drew's job is to flag all the questions so we don't lose them and Aaron doesn't have that capability. Which means I got it have be doing the talking flagging and paying attention.

So it's gonna be a little bit of a challenge. We will see if I'm up to it, but.

With that though what we're multitask. I believe in you. Yeah.

Christianity Today and Political Drift

So the topic after the topic at second hour we usually will try to answer any of the questions that come up that we have and so I'm gonna give a just a warning for those who are watching Live or watching actually and later.

And an update. I know a lot of folks Know that I was dealing with some issues health-wise with double vision. I finally got the special glasses. They Are basically with our book called prism glasses.

They reflect the reflect the light so that I can see without double vision I guess but one of the things is because they're progressive if you see me just nodding my head up and down. It's because I'm looking at the comments and trying to figure out how to look where it's not blurry.

So it's kind of interesting. I'm still getting used to them. Two weeks I was told to take some month. So in the news I didn't have the article pulled up on this computer. I had it on a different one, but I know Aaron you had seen the article as well.

I thought this is very interesting now. We usually talk about a Christian way to view things in the news, but this is about Christianity today. Which is I don't know the name makes me think it's a Christian magazine Aaron.

What do you think?

Does it does that. Yeah, I mean they like to say they speak for Christians.

Yeah, and and I'm just kind of puzzled because they were I forget if it was Daily Wire Epoch News that had an article that Basically said that you know all of the staff at Christianity Today supports Democrats.

Kind of weird since the Democrats support everything that's against the Christian values. Strange. So for those who think that Christianity Today speaks for Christianity today. Not anymore, I don't think it did that ever since you know James Boyce resigned.

Long time ago. I used to I used to I Submitted a couple articles to them hoping I'm looking for the article right now that your reference but I was Submitted stuff to them because I it's like, oh, it'd be great to be to be featured in Christianity Today.

And then it was. It was a couple years after that. I was like, ooh, you know I'm kind of glad I never actually got attached to that and now I follow them on Twitter just to see really the depressing state of Christianity Today.

Not the magazine but if that magazine gets to bear this name if that magazine gets to gets to speak for Christianity then no doubt. They speak for a lot of people who consider themselves to be Christians.

And so I just kind of use it keep my pulse on the on the state of the situation out there. Yeah.

Well, hey, this is kind of interesting. I just just came in breaking news Scalise dropped out of the speaker race. So I guess that means only Jim Jordan's the only one left. So I guess the it's a race pretty easy.

Yeah, that's it's gonna be interesting. So like this is what we need to deal with when we should be dealing with addressing issues of this country of Israel. Yeah, but anyway. And and by by Aaron's suggestion because if I get into discussing Israel, I will go long.

So if there's time at the end, I will address questions dealing with Israel. I may we may do a whole show if we'll see. But I'll probably do something on the my rap report podcast on that coming up so if I've been taking a break, I'll start that one up soon, I think next week, so.

With that Aaron real quick want you as our new speaker. I would like to get folks to know more about you as well. When you give folks the. You know some of the topics you end up speaking at if there's any churches that want to have you out to speak.

What are the topics you kind of deal with you? Let's see. I mean, let me give those topics. I heard drew mentioned you do creation and. You do apologetics. What else did he mention you do social justice?

Yeah. Yeah all the things.

No, I mean, I believe that God's Word is very clear. It gives us everything that we need for life and godliness. So I'm never hesitant to tackle any issue because I believe that God's Word speaks to it and it's not really about my opinion.

It's about what God has to say about it. So I'm never intimidated by a topic but there are ones that I speak about far more often and I you know. That's kind of caught my wheelhouse. Whatever you want.

Family marriage. Parenting is a sector that I work frequently in. In fact, unfortunately, I might expertise if you can put it that way Is really dealing with the hard cases the difficult situations specifically involving marriage and parenting.

I deal a lot with that but I when I speak I was just at the American State Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, and I had a chance to speak on emotions and specifically a critique of John Gottman's emotion coaching so whether it's like a technical analysis or Or it's a and obviously it's still very biblical Talk that I did.

I talked a lot about emotions because as a biblical counselor emotions are just something that factor into almost every facet of our being and they come out a lot in counseling and then I talked a lot about worship and discipleship as well as biblical counseling and Again, those those are the ones I kind of I deal on a daily basis in.

But Again, I love to. I love to talk about anything that the scripture touches and the scripture touches just about everything. Yeah.

That's true. And so They put this coming up real quick before we bring Anthony in is from a friend of his it says. This is when we talked about the Democrats says. Not really. Democrats support taking care of the poor.

Those who are with disabilities and welcoming strangers. And those are Christian values. But there but that's another topic. Completely, um, I Don't think they take care of the poor and disabled in the womb for sure.

Because they kill them. Welcoming strangers. Not really. The Democrats are completely intolerant to anyone that disagrees with their views.

That's one of the differences somebody argued that that using Saying that a Christian can't support the Democratic Party Because of the fact that they support abortion and so on so forth is a propaganda technique a fallacy called no no true Scotsman.

But the reality is is that the scriptures are excessively clear What is sin and what is not? And when the scriptures say that you this is not allowed you're not allowed to do this and then a political party Identifies themselves with all of these things that the scriptures say no.

Then to point out the fact that you know People in the Democratic Party, you know like to give to the poor and and you know They're huge on welfare, right and I'm on welfare to a certain degree I mean, I've used food stamps and stuff in the future and in the past.

So just to point out to those things That's you can't conveniently do that because no true Christian is going to support Abortion, right? So yeah, I mean obviously there are Democrats out there I know some of them who are very moralistic individuals people who Who give Copious amounts of money to charities and so on and so forth, but they stand with a political party that Parades the fact they spit in God's eye with the things that identify them and it's just it's not acceptable.

Well, and and just for folks to understand the because you made it false. You mentioned a fallacy and that fallacy is often misunderstood. Okay, the new no true Scotsman fallacy. What what is that? Well, it's basically this.

The the no and I'm just gonna mute you Aaron while you're not talking just we're getting we are getting a little hum from you Too. I don't know Don't know what that what what's happening lately with with stream yard, but Anyway, the no true Scotsman fallacy goes like this.

There's there was you know, the the way that it Reason it's called no true Scotsman is you have the Scotsman who says, you know, no Scotsman would eat haggis and So I'm so we'll see there's there's Johnny over there having haggis and he goes Well, no true Scotsman would have haggis.

And so the argument is you're not a true. Whatever true Scotsman if you don't do something now There that's a fallacy what people will do when they say well if you don't do X then you're not really this now.

There is a case where that is Where there that is not a fallacy for example No true American I'm trying to think something that would be you know, or you know, no true American is Born outside this country with passport from outside the country or something You know something because there's a definition of what an American would be and and that becomes a thing.

But let's put this way. No, no true graduate of Harvard. You know never went to Harvard, right? They've all gone to Harvard to graduate from it. So a true no true Scotsman fallacy is a fallacy if it's something that's not part of the definition of of what's true now.

Much a Scotsman didn't get together and say this is the official standard to be a Scotsman. That's that's not. Nobody can do that. But God has said this is the standard.

Yeah, eating haggis is not the definition of being a Scotsman, right? Citizenship there does. Now you're breaking up on your Wi-Fi there. Yikes. Okay, and I don't want you breaking up because this Leah's got this comment.

I want you to Talk to this really quick before we bring Anthony and I think I know who Lee is. But she says counseling is an entire science that the Bible barely touches. What are your thoughts on that Aaron since you're as a biblical counselor.

No, so really Everything that is done within the context of counseling That has value. I mean besides just slapping band-aids on issues and things like that is talked about in the scriptures in fact the the various concepts of Admonishment encouragement edification The the way that we're supposed to communicate speaking the truth and love building people up sanctification discipleship all of these concepts and many more All deal with are all wrapped up in this concept of counseling.

In fact, Jay Adams one gentleman who kind of started the biblical counseling movement pointed to a Greek word new fate. Oh, right a frequently translated admonish and He kind of that was the the name for the type of counseling that was being done new fetic counseling.

So now the scriptures have a ton to say about it about how people change and About the best ways to help people change which is exactly what even secular counselors are trying to do. They're trying to help people change for the better.

So yeah. Yeah. All right.

Anthony’s Background and Why He Reached Out

So, let me I'm gonna bring in Anthony a moment. Let me first give it a little bit history of so people understand Anthony is someone that I know personally. Many years ago. We're not going to allow him to say how many years ago because that would kind of give away.

That I've told him earlier before we went live. When he said it's been a gazillion years since he's seen me. I said no because I'm the same age Anthony just saying um, I used to Bring him to youth group when I pastored at the Chinese Church.

My first pastorate and I had he used to come to the youth group. He would come out with us to do evangelism. I knew knew his family both his his father and his uncle. We used to do a lot of evangelism together and He used to go to Christian school with with my kids my we used to trade like his dad used to bring my kids and and his kids to school in the morning and then My wife would go and pick them up and bring them home.

So so this is someone who I I know I know the family. So just just so we we recognize that. And One of the things I would just want folks to know because there may be new people tuning in I just want those who who may be new to the program to understand.

One of the things that we do here is we will let people who we I would disagree with to a to have an ability to Voice their opinion. So we're not ones who just cut people off. I like to let people to explain.

It's my show and I have plenty of opportunity to disagree even next week the week after Howard whenever I want I we've done that before. So I'm saying that to say if there's those out here who will disagree with Anthony as as I'm sure I will.

I don't I haven't heard his argument. I know he said he's got eight pages of notes. We're probably not gonna get through eight pages of notes. But even though I'm anticipating that I'm going to be disagreeing with him a bit quite a bit.

It you're gonna hear that I will let him voice his views. Now I'm saying that up front just because I do know people that are like Why are you letting him say with a reason why I let people that disagree with me say that is for two reasons one It's my show.

Which means I have all the time, you know, I could do a whole show disagreeing with him. We've done that before with the Orthodox rabbi who came in and we did an entire show in response To the things he wouldn't let us talk because he just kept talking over us every time.

He'd ask a question then before get the answer. He just talked right over us, but it's my show. I can do that. Okay? When someone comes in we want to give them an opportunity to voice their opinion why one so you can hear what it is.

Then we're gonna try to address the issues That are raised. So I'm gonna let Anthony come in and introduce himself explain. You know where he's at in life some of his background why this topic is of interest and and just say he contacted me after we did the episode with Drew and Chris about the head coverings which he had studied quite a bit and I guess somehow that got His attention and I don't know if he's been following us I have to ask you know at the LA bring you in I have to ask you if you Before that or did you just like you happen to see head coverings?

It was like, oh, hey that guy. I'm not sure.

All right testing one two, can you hear me? Okay, you're fine. All right. So yeah, um the head covering passage and it is relevant to this situation after that time. What Andrew was talking about of us carpooling and stuff?

My dad had. He was so afraid of going to the one side where the guardrail should have been that he just Kept getting more and more conservative with where'd you guys go? I just highlighted you. Okay, he kept wanting to get more conservative and more conservative.

So after that time and period We ended up joining a sect of the fundamental Baptists Combination like the Duggar teaching Bill Gothard and then the Amish and the Mennonites and the head covering Women wearing it and stuff.

That was such a big part of their theology that That it just Dominated our whole family for two or three years and for quite a while. It was almost the end of my faith so I started researching all different types of viewpoints on it and Kept watching different YouTube videos reading different articles and one on head coverings came up and it was by you guys.

And and that you you found that like I think then night or two after we did it. So. So God's Providence, so all right. So bring us to see where where you're at today and and I want to give you an opportunity to You know to explain your your view.

Obviously, you know not getting through all eight pages and in one shop. But give it give us an overview of your argument and and and then we'll dialogue about it. Okay.

The eight pages of notes is just simply like me writing all my thoughts out. I think that it We don't have to like go through each point by point, but it hits most of the things that we talked about. So My entire life from about age 12, well even before that but I knew something was different about me.

I I Have cerebral palsy we moved everywhere growing up, you know. My parents weren't quite Married when I was born they were five when I was I mean I was five when they were married. So it was kind of like I was always in some form Different and Hated getting dirty and stuff.

So then around the time I was 12 right around when we met Andrew, I won't reveal how many years ago that was she told me not to but Yeah, my dad had a very My dad had a very genuine experience with God, but he just didn't really have much direction and With the way things were going in my family between my dad and uncle my uncle started Embracing the more reformed theology and my dad started embracing more the Anabaptist, you know Kingdom Christianity theology.

There I am in the middle and we had a conversation on the way home from Bible study about like Purity and what not to look out on the internet and that whole conversation. Well, I was doing some soul-searching and I went in to my shame did everything that my dad told me not to do.

Well, I saw two guys just embrace each other. Not even sexually I don't think it was just embrace and I'm like, that's what it is and yeah, I said I'm gay, but I shouldn't tell anyone because the life as I know it is Gonna be over for me in some form.

Well, I Do I get a different Bible. I use the Christian Standard Bible, but I use plenty of them. But we'll get into that a little bit more. But as I went through my life, I felt like you know, God doesn't love me.

Am I just doomed? Am I a mistake, you know? So up into my and then when we joined the more conservative Mennonite Anabaptist churches, it just They told me don't acknowledge it it won't be there and I went through a couple therapy programs, you know.

They told me just tell yourself loud enough. You're not gay when I got into my 20s I went through conversion therapy For two and a half years and it was basically pray this prayer again. Say it loud enough try to convince yourself and it seemed the more I did that the more I was drawn to guys.

Like.

Hold on one second there Anthony you're getting you're breaking up a bit. Might have to turn your camera off if your is your if your Wi-Fi is not good. Are you getting the same thing in? Aaron you hearing the same?

Okay, just checking. It's not just me.

There are some statements in the chat to he's breaking up.

Yeah, okay, so if you try try turning your camera off just at the bottom there's a stop cam click that yeah at least reduces what you're. You're saying so now try talking. Let's hear see if we can hear you.

No, it's not it's not getting better. I know you had to drop off just before we went live. Yeah, Jamie saying it sounds it sounds like crackling. That's what I'm hearing. Lee is saying static. Okay, it stopped Anthony.

I don't hear him at all now. Oh. No, okay, if you if you could hear us Anthony maybe maybe go out and come back in. Yeah.

Okay, I changed my Wi-Fi back. I'm having endless issues with our With our house Wi-Fi. It keeps going in and out. I don't know why.

Okay. But well, we're good now. We're good. Yeah, I mean it's the video is not as good but that's fine. It's as long as we can hear you. That's yeah more important part. So, okay, if you remember where you were continue, if not, I'll tell you where we last heard you.

Yeah.

Okay, yeah, where did you last hear me before all the popcorn started going.

There's plenty of people wanting to get the popcorn to see the fights that might happen. But no the the last see he's frozen. That's not good. There now he's unfrozen. All right. Okay. Yeah, you guys hear me at least we might have to do that because it's more important to hear you if that's.

So, yeah, you were talking about your your your your dad. Kind of you you had started to. Go through conversion therapy was kind of where it started crackling. Okay. Maybe you could pick up from there.

Yeah, so I It seemed like the more I went through therapy the more these feelings actually enhanced. They didn't get better. And And then when around the time Cove it started hitting I started embracing the Gay dating scene and I started feeling really objectified.

And Then about a month before my birthday Year 2020. I Said I'm coming out. I'm gay. I'm done with God. I guess atheism is better and I went to bed that night. I started singing. How can it be by Lauren Daigle in my sleep?

And I just Haven't really tried the atheism thing. It lasted less than 16 hours. Okay, so I started embracing. I started embracing affirming Christianity and I found out that they do not have a very good answer for the what Believe and they don't really take Scripture and they would get demolished by the James Whites and the Mike wingers and all.

Okay.

For folks in the audience describe what you mean by affirming Christianity just because you're using terms and and not everyone's gonna be familiar with it.

Yeah, affirming Christianity as far as affirming the LGBTQ people. We would believe that LGBTQ people's orientation their identity and their relationship status is in fact valid before God. And I have done painstaking research on the concepts that people use to counteract that and I have studied extensively the six or seven passages that are used and part of the reason for me wanting to reach out like this is because The the people that I've seen do this before me such as Rob Bell or John Shelby song or The tick-tock pretty boy Brandon Robertson if anyone's heard of him.

And yeah, it just got. I would feel like I was pricked in the heart as you and my uncle used to say from our street witnessing days and like my Stomach would legit turn When I would hear these so-called Christians just get Make these arguments and you know, my heart would ache because I'm like how many more people out there were searching like me.

You know, I want to save the affirming I Want to save the searching LGBTQ Christian, you know gay lesbian trans bisexual. Searching person who's closeted who still wants to follow Christ and doesn't want to be excised from the church if that makes sense.

Defining Homosexuality, Lust, and Same-Sex Attraction

Okay, so let me ask just to get some ideas where you're at. Do you believe that? Homosexuality would be a sin in the Bible. I.

Do not but it depends what you I? Mean if. It depends what you define as homosexuality because there is a difference between homosexual actions actually participating in certain actions versus being attracted.

Well, would you would you believe? You know that if I go lusting after a woman, would you believe that's a sin? Yes. Okay, so so it's a sin if I lust after a woman but it wouldn't be a sin if I lusted after a man.

Well, there's lust. You know, I want that person. I want to do Something to that person. I want to hurt that person and you know, I want to take advantage of them. Well lusting or not.

Yeah, luster doesn't has nothing to do with hurting a person.

Okay. Sexual being sexually exploitative. But not. Why are we jumping right to lust, you know? Well, you do. I don't walk around and say, okay.

Right because you you made a difference between the act and the feeling. Right the thought. And so you're saying the thought is okay, but the act is wrong. And so that's why I'm asking if if in a heterosexual Lusting is wrong.

Then wouldn't lusting be wrong in a homosexual? Like how do you how do you? How do you Justify that in Homosexual lust is okay, but heterosexual lust is not.

Well, I I am NOT a very lustful person. I do not walk around lusting after every guy I see just like you probably don't lust after every woman you see. Yeah, but.

They back up though because you added something to it. So I want just for clarity. I know that Aaron has a what's that's clarifying question, too, but I just want Clara. I'm not saying that lust is after every person I see.

If I lust after a woman, that's not my wife. Is that a sin? Even if it's just one woman, is it a sin? Yes.

Okay, no what. What I meant. What I meant by feeling is being predisposed to. Being attracted to men. Well, I think there's a difference between seeing someone as attractive and lusting.

May I ask a clarifying question and obviously, you know Anthony You know, feel free to answer this with whatever level of transparency you desire. If I'm hearing you correctly, this is why I want to clarify.

If I'm hearing you correctly I Think I'm hearing you say that the act of homosexuality Intercourse whatever however you want to call it is a sin. But you're arguing that the attraction is not. Am I hearing that correctly or are you arguing that?

Homosexuality to be engaged physically in a relationship that is not a sin.

No, I don't believe being engaged in the same-sex relationship is a sin. Does that I believe. Good. I Believe. Yeah, I. I think there's a difference between being attracted to somebody and lusting.

True, but yeah, that wasn't the question. I was trying to get to. I'm just trying to. Okay, there there are some people who say that homosexuality as defined by the world, you know same sex, right? That actual the act of homosexuality physical contact kissing intercourse.

Whatever the case may be there are some people who say that is not a sin. And then there are people who say well that is a sin. But being attracted to somebody of the same sex is not a sin. So they argue for like a celibate Gay Christian type of an approach.

I'm just trying to figure out what side of the fence you're arguing. Yes. Yes, okay. I would be.

I would be More towards side a in the Christian LGBTQ community their side a basically God recognizes Same sex relationships as valid God recognizes same-sex intercourse as valid and then there's side B, which is what Aaron was talking about which is You know a celibate type of relationship.

Now as far as the action of like male penetration I have no Qualms about I Talking about that openly and we will get to that in a minute, but I'm not talking about lust I'm talking about the action the Process of being attracted to a male as a male being attracted to a male.

Would you call that sinful?

That's lust. So yes.

Well, and I guess maybe I'm still a little a little slow here on the pickup you're arguing side a correct that that you know, The the romantic sexual relationships with another man or someone of the same sex is is okay.

That's can be glorifying to God. You're arguing that Yes. Okay. Got you. Thank you. I appreciate you answering that. Thank you for your transparency. I just want to make sure I was on there correctly.

Yeah, say it say what you said again, cuz I would want to make sure I I'm just trying to make sure I understand correctly.

As far as I understand correct me if I'm wrong. Anthony he is saying that Homosexuality in its broadest definition is It can be glorifying to God so romantic. Yes touching and so on and so forth between same sex would be okay.

But you're saying that wouldn't be lost.

No, because what makes. What is the. What is the defining difference between male opposite sex? Attraction. Versus same-sex attraction. What makes one completely wrong? Not even a thought. And what makes one completely?

Okay.

Desiring someone sexually is Lust now and I just want point this out because you know, I know your friend Jamie here saying Anthony is being straw manned right now Jamie actually That would be false because what we're doing is taking the time to get straight definitions.

Maybe maybe you don't know it a straw man argument is but a straw man argument is when you make an argument. That's not What someone's actually arguing and then you attack that it's a straw man because easy to knock down.

We're taking the time Jamie to understand the position. So we don't do that might be good for you to practice the same just saying Leah I think is saying I think the definitions are getting confused. That's the reason I'm taking the time and I think Aaron as well to make sure we understand Anthony's definitions before we start to address them.

So you know, but I'm just gonna say for some of you on the comments, you know You guys have are getting knee-jerk reactions when right first time ever engaging with me or or Aaron and so You got to be able to discuss these things honestly Without you know rhetoric and so if you're gonna say that we're strawman and we're asking for definitions or we're confusing definitions when we're Asking for definitions so that we could be precise and have good conversation.

Then you guys are not Engaging an honest discussion. I think Anthony is so far. So, okay.

And I also too I think it's really quick just to make sure that we're all on the same page because Voltaire is not somebody that the average Christian wants to quote because of how much he was against Christian against God.

And yet he said something that's really valuable. He's paraphrasing. He basically said if you want to have a conversation with me, you have to define our terms, right? Biblically speaking and from my perspective as a Christian as a biblical counselor, everything has got to go back to the scriptures.

Okay? And we get really really really in trouble when and I'm just gonna be really blunt about this every Christian listening. We get super in trouble if our at the deepest level of our biblical understanding stops at the English.

Now I praise God for English translations, and I do believe that we have God's Word in English. However, the conversation that's happening right here right now I think is a perfect example of the fact that we need to be more diligent in our Understanding of the scriptures because the word lust the Greek word in particular translated lust in the in the New Testament.

Can be translated a number of different ways. It can actually it be translated attracted. It can be translated Covet coveted it can also be translated delight. Desirable to desire desired desires pleasing precious precious things.

These are different ways that these words can be translated throughout the scriptures and. And so the the word for lust the word translated lust quite frequently and the word translated desire are the same Greek word.

So we have to be very careful if we're yeah, if we're saying something like, you know, well, you know, it's wrong to lust. But it's okay to desire. It's we're almost revealing at that moment a lack of understanding.

There are some desires that glorify God and there are some desires that don't so just why I'm not lusting. I'm just desiring. I'm not lusting. I'm just attracted. I'm not. Well, I mean the Merriam-Webster defines attraction as something that attracts or is intended to attract people by appealing to their desires and tastes so attraction desires lusts.