All You Need To Know About Custom Bible Rebinds with Jeffery Rice Of Post Tenebras Lux

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Exploring Theology, Doctrine, and all of the Fascinating Subjects in Between, Broadcasting from an

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Undisclosed Location, Dead Men Walking starts now. Well, hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of Dead Men Walking Podcast.

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Thanks for coming along. Thanks for hanging out. Man, what a week it's been. Oh boy, and thank you for supporting us at dmwpodcast .com.

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So guys, it's been great. I've had a few weeks off, pre -recorded some episodes. I hope you've been enjoying those.

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We had Blake Long on with a book that he just published on When God Says No. We've had Dr. James White on.

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We had Davis Yeltsin, an attorney. So go check out those back catalog issues over the last, oh,

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I don't know, three, four, five weeks. Obviously, we drop every Wednesday and check them out because they were really good.

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And I think we have another good episode today. I mean, a really good one.

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I don't know this gentleman too well. Uh -oh. And we have children making an appearance on the podcast in the background there, which is fine.

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I have three myself, so that happens from time to time. He's the pastor of Covenant Reform Baptist Church.

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He's the owner of Post Tenebrous Lux, which we're going to be talking about. And he's a speaker at the

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Shadows to Substance Conference coming up in a few weeks that I'm going to be attending.

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And where's that at? That's Antola, Houma, Tennessee, I believe. It's Pastor Jeffrey Rice.

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How are you, sir? I'm doing well. How are you, brother? I'm doing pretty good. It's nice to meet you here.

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Yeah, definitely. Digitally. Okay. And then hopefully here in about a week or so, we'll meet in person.

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But just wanted to bring you on because we cover everything here. Doctrine, theology, culture, politics, all from a

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Reformed biblical worldview. But we also get into some fun stuff, you know. Over the Christmas break, we had the

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Confused Calvinist and Craft Beer Review. We have had leather workers on.

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We have had comedians that are believers on. And so we cover different things.

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And this one's kind of a different episode. Maybe not necessarily. Maybe we'll get into it later, a little more theology.

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But really going to talk about what you do with your Bible rebinds and leatherworking, which

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I find absolutely just they're just gorgeous. And I'm going to be ordering one from you pretty soon.

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But before we get into that, can you give a little bio on you just so the people know about you?

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Maybe family and how you got into pastoring and things like that.

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Just give us a couple of minutes on you. Yeah, well, to begin with, I like to always say

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I'm a Christian before I am anything. I started reading the Bible when the towers fell in 9 -11.

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And that began my journey into Christianity. Of course, you know, I was raised in church and stuff like that, but I never really bought into it.

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Ex -gangbanger. So I like to begin with I'm a

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Christian. I'm a husband and a father. I have a litter of kids and also raised my 16 -year -old, well, my 17 -year -old nephew now.

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So very busy with the, you know, the family life. But also

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I work 45 hours a week on Bible rebinding. And when my family goes to sleep at night,

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I stay up from about 8, 8 .30 to about midnight, sometimes 1 o 'clock.

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I stay up studying, preparing messages and doing my own private study.

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Okay, so how long have you been doing the rebinds? And did you have a previous vocation before that?

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Yes, I've been doing rebinding for close to five and a half years.

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Okay. Yeah, I mean, yeah, about five, yeah, close to five and a half years.

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And I roofed houses for, you know, professionally for 25 years. Okay. And I was really good at what's called flashing chimneys, right?

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So you take metal or copper and you form it around the chimney to keep it from leaking.

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And so I was really good at that. And me and my wife, we got Schuyler Bibles when we got married.

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And so I was just holding one one day. And I was like, man, I bet I could make one of those.

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And my wife was like, you're crazy. You can't do it. So I sewed some things and bought some leather and about 20

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Bibles in. She was still right. I couldn't do it. But after a while, I just,

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I just kept practicing. She was like, wow, you're getting really good at this. And so we started posting them and stuff like that.

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But it came down to the point, like in roofing, I came down with what's called banal positional vertigo.

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Okay. Which is not good for roofing, right? I woke up one morning and just passed out.

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And then I stood up and it was as if someone, it was as if I was in a hamster ball or something.

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And someone was shaking it up. And I went out again. I think it was three or four days.

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I could not get balanced. Every time I would change from one position to another, the lights would completely go out.

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I would just fall to the ground. And so it turns out I was dealing with some

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PTSD, just a troubled childhood. And so whenever, it was a big problem in my

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Christian walk, right? Early on in my Christian walk, I'm an ex -game banger. I was really good in hostile positions, fighting and stuff like that.

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When I became a Christian, I could not fight with my hands. And so whenever altercation would occur,

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I would run away from the altercation. So in PTSD, you have what's called fight or flight.

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And so because I couldn't punch somebody, I would just leave. I would leave before I'd end up punching somebody.

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And so it was a big problem early on in my Christian walk.

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But finally being diagnosed with PTSD and knowing that it was something mental going on that was causing me to run away, it started the greatest fight of my life.

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So now when I feel the need to run, I don't. And I want to try to, maybe not in that moment, but maybe an hour later, try to work things out in a conversation.

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Whether it be if I'm having a disagreement with my wife or having a disagreement with whoever, right?

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But really getting into debating has helped me out too. So debating theology has really helped me to embrace confrontation.

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Sure. If that makes sense. Yeah. So you're kind of embracing it in a controlled arena too, which probably helps.

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So it is confrontation, but yeah, there's not that thing of, you know, it's going to go so completely sideways, it becomes physical or something like that.

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Right. But concerning pastoring. So I was ordained with the, you know, like the

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Pentecostal group. So say like Assemblies of God, Churches of God and stuff like that. So Trinitarian Pentecostalism in 2011.

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Okay. Right. In 2013, I left the church that I was involved with planting due to preaching through the

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Gospel of John. So I got to John chapter three. And so I preached it like a

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Reformed person, not really understanding the doctrine or anything.

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And it was my last message there. And I really didn't know what I believed. I didn't know if I was a heretic or if the church

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I was a part of was teaching heresy. So I figured it was best to just figure out what

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I believed. And for the longest, after coming to Reformed theology, you know, it would have been really easy to get back into the pulpit with the

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Trinitarian Pentecostals. But I would much rather sit in the pew than to align myself with something

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I disagreed with. But three years.

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So, yeah. So right at three years ago, I had moved to be a part of a church that was reforming.

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And then they had me in their eldership classes where they were looking to me to be an elder. The pastor steps down.

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This church calls me in. So this is during COVID. They call me in to interview me for the pastorate and asked me what

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I'd be preaching Calvinism. And I said, well, I don't plan on having a conference on Calvinism. But, you know,

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I open the Bible. If it says choose you this day, I preach choose you this day. If it says you were predestined for the foundation of the world,

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I preach you were predestined. I said, I don't understand the conversation, right? I just preach verse by verse. So they said, well, they're moving away from Reformed theology.

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And so it was a big uproar. And we had, you know, no churches were meeting.

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And I just told some people that me and my family were going to meet and have services for ourselves until some churches started up.

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And a lot of families said, well, they're coming with us. And next thing I know,

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I get a phone call from a pastor I know in New York saying that he heard that I was planting a church.

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And I said, well, you heard wrong. I'm not planting a church. And he was like, well, won't you, let's talk about it.

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And so their church was very interested in planting churches. And so I flew out there and preached for them and taught for them.

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And they voted to send us out as a church. We're almost three years as a congregation.

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Wow. Very. Yeah, that's a great, great kind of journey. Yeah. Yeah. I came out of, like I've said many times in this podcast, from a very young age, a more fundamentalist.

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And then into my teenage years, we attended a church that was extremely Pentecostal and then worked through the doctrines of grace in my early 20s.

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And it's been a blessing ever since then. So pastoring for the last three years with the church and then the business for five and a half years.

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So let's dig down on this because we have a lot of listeners here. Most of them have

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Bibles, I would assume. I won't say all, but I'd say the majority of them have

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Bibles. And I just cannot get over as someone who is a little creative myself.

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I'm a musician and have a creative bone in me. But I don't do leather work.

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These rebinds are absolutely beautiful. If you go to the website, you can throw that out and we will link up your website.

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So when people are listening to this, they can even click on it during that and check it out. What is, because I'm interested in this whole process, what is the start to finish on that?

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Does someone send you in a Bible, let's say, and they go, oh, it's Torah, it's old, it's whatever.

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I want a new cover on it. Do they send that in?

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And then do they pick what type of leather? Do you do multiple types of leather? Is there a certain one that's better than others?

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What is that process? Can you tell us? Yeah, well, of course they can send in a

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Bible, whether it's Torah or it's brand new. It's always better if it's brand new. I mean, the leather is going to form around the block that you send in.

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So if the block that you send in, the pages are just curled up, right? Well, the leather is going to form along with the block and there's really nothing much you can do with a

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Bible where the paper is curled up, right? I mean, if you ever see a

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Bible that's left inside of a car, like, say, a back window, the way that the Bible swells, there's no unswelling.

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And so if people send me something like that, well, don't expect it to look like this, right?

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Right. And so, you know, you're going to get what you send in. If you want it to look like it came off the showroom floor, send in a new

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Bible. But we do rebind and, you know, use Bibles or whatever.

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But yes, for the most part, they send in their Bible. They pick the leather. They pick the color, the color of the leather cover, leather liner, ribbons.

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I mean, just basically, we can almost do what you want, that there is limitations.

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For the most part, we do cow skin, cowhide, calf skin, and goat skin.

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Okay. What's the difference between those three? Is it just a look? Is it a feel? Is one more workable than the other?

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Both. I would say both. Cowhide, in my opinion, cowhide and calf skin,

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I used to like the goat skin better. Like, you know, even now we receive

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Bibles from the 1800s that has a goat skin on it.

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And it's still, it's not in great condition, but you can tell the goat skin has lasted. I have yet to receive a

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Bible from the 1800s with cow skin, cowhide. But I'm not saying maybe they didn't use cow for this particular thing at that time.

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And so for that reason, I used to go with it. And I think goat skin is good for more of a traditional,

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I mean, for more traditional binding. But as far as rebinding, my personal opinion,

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I think cow and calf is the best. It's easier to work with.

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Okay. I think it has a better smell. Like, it scratches.

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And like, say this Bible right here.

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So I could scratch it, but then I could lick my finger and rub it, and the scratch is gone.

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Buffs it right out, huh? Buffs it right out. Yeah. And then it just smells good.

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It smells like leather. And it just, you know, they all open real flat. Sure.

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So when you do something like that, too, I'm guessing it's not just the outside. There's the inside that needs to be.

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Yes. The spine itself. The spine of the Bible has to be reinforced. Okay.

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The way that we do it. Because like, if you think about a car, and a car has shocks.

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So if you drive a car without shocks, you're going to, the moment you hit a rock, it's going to tear something up.

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Well, it's the same way with a Bible. So right here, in order to attach the block, like you can see that line right there.

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Yeah. And for those listening, he's pointing to that very first, yeah. Yeah, so that's a piece of leather, leather liner that's attached to the block of the

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Bible. Okay. All right. And so when you open it, every time you open it, it pulls at the spine.

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Okay. Like it's trying to rip the spine. Yeah. And so you have to reinforce it with a piece of cloth that wraps around it that keeps that spine from tearing apart.

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And then you have what's called an Oxford hollow. If you can imagine just like a toilet paper tape, something like that.

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Okay. It just flattened out. And it just like, it allows the

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Bible to expand when it opens. Just a little bit. Yeah. So whenever it opens, it keeps the back of the spine here from breaking.

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Right. So the spine, like when you open it, it's still flat. Like that spine is not going to cave in.

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And a lot of the old Bibles that you see that are brought in, they'll have like an arch to it. Yeah.

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Because it doesn't have an Oxford hollow that keeps it from breaking. And so I put an

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Oxford hollow. So if you get a Bible, I'm sorry. So if you get a Bible like that with an arch, do you put an

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Oxford hollow in it for the customer? Yeah, I put an Oxford hollow in. Yeah, I put one in every Bible. Yeah.

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Yeah. This helps better. So is there different materials you use for the inside? And do you ever add pages?

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Can you add like a couple of blank pages for extra notes or anything like that? Or is whatever was in the previous

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Bible, whether it's new or used, that's what's going in the new rebund? Or do you ever add things to it?

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Well, I can. And I used to, but I don't any longer. Simply because Okay.

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I'm so busy. Like if I have to do anything extra, it pushes my wait time way out.

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And so Yeah. Rebinding is getting really popular. And so I just kind of leave that for the guys that don't have as much business.

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Right. I really don't have time to do it. Just to be honest.

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So I kind of work. It's like a factory for the first two and a half days. I make covers. And then that third day, half of it,

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I reinforce the spines. The fourth day, I stamp. And then

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I finish reinforcing the spines. And the fifth day, I'll do the odds and ends of what's left.

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And then I put it together and bind it. And I find if I have to add anything to that, it's going to take me another day or two to finish the process.

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So the most basic one you're looking at about a week? It takes me a week to do it.

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Right. And are you doing multiple Bibles at the same time? Yeah. So I'm doing about eight a week.

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Eight, nine. Well, it depends. Sometimes seven. Sometimes nine, ten.

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It just depends. But I try to schedule eight Bibles a week. So you're doing that many

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Bibles where you're doing up to eight Bibles a week just continuously. Forty -five hours a week.

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On the website, and throw out the website for everyone listening really quick. PTLBibleRebinding .com

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PTLBibleRebinding .com PTLBibleRebinding .com And we'll link that up. I saw some very beautiful gold stamping you can do and some custom stuff like maybe in the lower right or lower left of the

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Bible and then on the back of the spine. What do you do in there when you do stuff like that?

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Yeah, it's gorgeous. Yeah. So I have what's called a hot foil stamp machine.

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And so whenever you're placing the letters in there, they're upside down and backwards.

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So I've gotten really good at reading upside down and backwards. And the problem is I am dyslexic.

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So there's been many of times where I mess up in the stamping. Like you can see here the

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Cairo Inhox Signo Windchase. Yeah. So stuff like that, if you're throwing that in, obviously that's a charge extra for the client or customer.

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But that takes a little extra time too. Well, the spine of the Bible, I don't charge anything.

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So if you get Holy Bible, the initials of the translation with the logo, that's included.

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If you want the five solas or the doctrines of grace put on there, it can get a little more expensive.

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Yeah, and from what I've seen, so I should just say for everyone listening too, there's some, I mean just reviews all over the internet of your work.

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And I'm not trying to puff you up or brag on you or anything, but just very good reviews of people just extremely happy with your work.

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Meaning I mean just the hand crafted, the way it looks, the kind of one -off, including some in our circle, some more famous people,

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I guess you would say. Even like a Dr. James White who sang your praises on his show for months and months.

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Which you will be speaking with him later this month, which we'll get into. So what's the price range on something like that?

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Because if one of our listeners goes yeah, I want to do a rebind, I think I'm onto this. One, what's the price range?

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And you don't have to, just give me a wide range so they know. I know different size Bibles and things like that are probably different prices.

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And then two, what would be the turnaround for them to where they would be without, how long would they be without their

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Bible? And what's the turnaround time? Those might be two different times. I'm not sure if you have them send it in when it's closer to that time.

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But price range and turnaround time for people listening who might be interested. Yeah, so let's start with the latter.

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So the turnaround time, right now it's three months.

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Okay. So you would pay a deposit. Okay. And the deposit is non - refundable.

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And I've had to bear down with people on this. It's non -refundable.

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If you pay a deposit, you will not get your deposit back. Sorry, I'm trying to feed my family. It's non -refundable.

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All right. And then three months later, whenever it's time to do the Bible, you send that Bible in and you're going to be without it for about three weeks.

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But the moment we call and tell you to send the Bible in, that's when you pay the remaining fee.

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Okay. You see what I'm saying? And that price depending on the

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Bible and again so, you know, you can get a basic rebuying without the stitching, without a lot of complications.

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So when I'm talking about stitching, so I hand stitch all the way around the perimeter there.

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Notice that on those. Everything's gorgeous. Do you do a single stitch or like a double stitch?

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It's called a saddle stitch. It's the strongest stitch there is. And then you see that gold line on the inside?

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Yep, on the inside. Yeah, but that's extra. And then you have a line right here on that perimeter.

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That's extra. So you get a basic rebuying without any of the extras.

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A large basic rebuying for $250. Okay. Or that thing can get up to $500 depending on what you want to add.

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Yeah, start accessorizing it. I mean, I don't want to nickel and dime people, but it takes time to do everything.

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Absolutely. But it cost me close to $100 to do one.

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So the leather is very expensive. Yep. I'm pushing close to $100 to do a

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Bible. That's what it cost me. Yeah, so I mean, that's what

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I'm saying too. Very reasonably priced for the work that I see. And it lasts forever.

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Oh, lasts forever. I mean, like, right here a grand. Alright. Yeah, I was going to say, the one

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I'm holding was, I think, $1 ,200. It's ridiculous. And we're going to get a new one in two years.

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I think this was probably close to $1 ,200. I got one more payment on it and this thing, and it's two years out,

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I got one more payment and it's not working that great. Alright. This thing, let's say $300 - $400, lasts you your whole life.

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And maybe your kid's life too when you pass it on to them. I don't care how you handle it. This thing ain't going nowhere.

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Lasts you your whole life, you're able to pass it down to your children. So when people start complaining about prices,

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I'm like, ah, come on now. Do you get that a lot? Because that was one thing I wasn't thinking when

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I was looking at your work online and looking at pricing, I go, to me, I'm the type of person where if I'm going to purchase something, one,

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I want it quality and I don't mind paying the money. Some people are in the mindset of buying five of one thing that breaks every year instead of just buying one thing a little more expensive that lasts a while.

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So price wasn't really, I looked at it, I went, that seems very reasonable actually when you look at other people doing rebinds.

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There's not a whole lot out there that are doing your kind of work, I would say, or even your quality. But do you get that sometimes with people just don't really understand the quality and they might say, yeah,

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I think that seems too much. I think maybe in America too, we're in the thing of cheap

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Bibles. We like to go into a bookstore and go, oh, I want to spend 25 bucks on a

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Bible and then we're complaining when the fake leather is ripping in six months. Yeah, we definitely get that quite often.

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You can go on to, I don't want to name anyone, but there's companies out there that sell goat skin

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Bibles and you can get them for like $125, but the goat skin is crap. It stinks.

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It's for the most part, I think they're not to bash on China, but they're

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China made goat skin. Our goat skin comes from Nigeria. Our goat skins and our cow skins and goat skins can come from Italy.

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I mean, we get the best leather. We don't try to compromise with buying cheap leather.

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I can go to Hobby Lobby and get leather, but I'm not doing that.

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I'm having leather shipped from overseas and it's the best leather you can possibly get your hands on.

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That stuff costs money. My ribbons, I can go to Hobby Lobby and buy double sided satin ribbons.

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I get these ribbons shipped from overseas. These are bears for ribbons.

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Each row costs me upwards to $25 or $30. Again, at Hobby Lobby $3.

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I can get a row for $3. They have the best material out there.

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My thread that I stitch with, everything, it's high level. Everything is numero uno.

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It is the best. I love that, man. I love when someone takes pride in the quality of their work.

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I'm the same way in the business I own. Do you ever look back and go,

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I went from putting flashing around a chimney to I would be into leather work and rebinds.

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Did you ever think that was going to cross that you would be in that business and running a business yourself like that?

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Or is this just something the Lord dropped you in and it's worked out in His providence? I've always been crafty.

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I've always made things. I've always been able to stitch. Of course, my wife taught me how to saddle stitch.

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I've always been able to do stuff. I've always liked working with my hands. My dad was a roofer.

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I can remember being 3 years old on a roof job playing with trash. 11 years old,

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I worked my first summer with my dad. 12 years old, he was making me pay rent and buy my school clothes.

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I just felt like I was doomed to it. There's still definitely things

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I miss about it. The camaraderie that I have with the men. I don't have that now.

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The guys on my podcast that I have, I have two other co -hosts and we're constantly texting back and forth or talking.

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It gets on my wife's nerves. I'm sure it gets on their wives' nerves. But we're all from that we don't have that camaraderie really.

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We just kind of vicariously have that over the internet. Throw off the name of the podcast for everyone.

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Open Air Theology. I was just going to say I like that t -shirt you're wearing.

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It looks like it's not a loudspeaker. What is that called? Bullhorn. Open Air Theology.

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Because we're all street preachers. We all are street preachers. We witness a lot.

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The point of it is that we get on the podcast Street Preachers and we talk theology. Let's shift gears here and talk about that because I believe your church is hosting or you are hosting the

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Shadows to Substance Conference which is in Tullahoma, Tennessee from February 16th, 17th, and 18th.

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You're going to be one of the speakers there. One of my good friends, Claude Ramsey is going to be one of the speakers there.

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Dr. James White will be speaking and doing a debate there. Tell me how this came about because I think this is the first one, isn't it?

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It is. We started meeting so the conference is being hosted by Open Air Theology.

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Awesome. Our church when we kept meeting at different places where we didn't have a church home.

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We would rent a day here. We started in one building and then we moved over to this other building and then this other building.

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We were just paying week by week for one day. I always told the guys on my podcast as soon as we get a church building,

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I'm having a conference. I think it was probably in the building three weeks and I already started scheduling trying to figure out a way to have a conference.

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How long have you been in that building now? Let's see. This week will be my 23rd message in June.

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Probably 25 weeks. Awesome. Six, seven months.

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You said schedule the conference and it seems like it's going good.

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Tickets are selling. It's the first one. What are you going to be talking about? What's your subject? Can you give us a little teaser for those listening that might want to get a sneak peek?

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It's going to be from shadows to substance. It's definitely going to be about covenant theology. Brayden Patterson, he's one of the co -hosts for Open Air Theology.

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He was a Mormon for 19 years. Wow. He made an analogy that I really like where he was preaching one day and he had his

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Bible and he stood it up. The sun was bearing in where the

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Bible casted a shadow. He was speaking about how that shadow cast in the

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Old Testament. That shadow ends at the foot of Jesus Christ.

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He was using the Bible as a way and he might have had it open. I don't know.

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He just kind of had from the New Testament and there was a shadow that was cast and excuse me, my street language comes out every once in a while.

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That's okay. He was just speaking about how the things in the

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Old Testament, these shadows, they all come to the feet of the substance. Jesus Christ is the substance.

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We're going to be looking at some of those. Of course, we can't touch on all of them. We're going to be looking at the shadows, the type and the anti -type.

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Jesus being the anti -type. That's the main purpose.

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I think we're going to eventually focus on some more Reformed Baptist outlooks.

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I think we're going to have one coming up afterwards on theonomy.

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I'm not a theonomist. I want people to hear the other side of the argument.

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We're working right now behind the scenes very soon to have not necessarily a formal debate, but on here before,

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I've hosted some things where we have a conversation where we have people who are pretty well known in each of their fields and talk about that.

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I think we're going to tackle theonomy pretty soon because with the rise of the popularity of Christian nationalism and things like that, people are really starting to dig in to those type of terms and looking at that.

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I think it's very interesting because I'm kind of in a toss -up situation there. I'm going,

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I can see the biblical case for either one, but how it works pragmatically and it's an interesting subject.

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I'll hold to what's called 1689 federalism. In our federalist theology that we hold to, basically anything that's not

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New Covenant, so Old Covenant cannot enter into New Covenant. It's all shadows to the substance.

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I know that James White has ventured into theonomy,

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Jeff Durbin, and I love these guys and I would have them preach in my pulpit like there's no hard feelings.

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I just want people to hear the other side of there's other answers.

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We can be cordial, we can be friends, we can be brothers. I'm not throwing anyone out of the kingdom.

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I hope they don't throw me out of the kingdom. If they did, it wouldn't work. It's just to show there's other ways to view this.

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If you just take circumcision or infant baptism, New Covenant doesn't allow circumcision baptism to be doesn't allow baptism to be the

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New Covenant circumcision. Circumcision is fulfilled in Christ. There's a type and an anti -type.

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The anti -type would be our being separate from the world in sanctification.

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The circumcision itself is fulfilled in Christ. The circumcision of Christ, according to Colossians chapter 2, is his crucifixion.

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In our circumcision, which I'm going to be speaking on this at the conference, our circumcision is regeneration.

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The sign of the covenant is baptism. The sign of the New Covenant, because I am

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Reformed Baptist, I fully subscribe to the confession. The sign of the

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New Covenant is baptism. We just want to show people that these things are not pointing say the

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Paschal Lamb. The Paschal Lamb does not point to the Lord's Supper. It points to Jesus.

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He is the Lamb that was slain. Everything points to Jesus and then it finds its fulfillment in Jesus and then from Jesus, New Covenant sacraments begin.

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Christian baptism comes from Christ. A Christian the

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Lord's Supper comes from Christ and they do the same things that the Old Testament does.

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So the Old Testament points to Christ. Everything from the New Testament points back to Christ.

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Our baptism is the sign of the death, burial, and resurrection. When we take the Lord's Supper, it points back to Christ's death.

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This is the body. This is my body that was broken for you. This is my blood that was shed for you. Everything points to this one moment in time in history.

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Circumcision doesn't find its fulfillment in baptism. It finds its fulfillment in Christ. The Paschal Lamb doesn't find its fulfillment in the

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Lord's Supper. It finds its fulfillment in Christ. Our New Covenant signs and sacraments find their beginnings in Christ.

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I was telling Claude Ramsey, a friend of ours that we were talking about and he has a

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Here I Stand Theology podcast. Make sure you check him out, too, guys. You guys know him well on this podcast. He was podcasting live with me.

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We were right next to each other when he was at the Fight, Laugh, Feast rally last year, which is

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I told him, you know, you and Joel Webben who's been on the podcast before.

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So you guys are walking into the den here with us Reformed Presbyterians. And I told him, I said, well, when

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I come down there, I'm going to be walking into the den with the Reformed Baptists, but brothers in the

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Lord, all the same, you know, I'm going to be very excited to listen to your talk on the substance and shadows of Christ.

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Yeah, if you're a Presbyterian, you're about to be a Baptist, son. Look, and I told

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James White the same thing. I said, you're the one, his book Debating Calvinism is the one that got me on the Reformed track and then years later run a podcast and he's, you know, giving me a hard time for hanging out with the

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Doug Wilson likes and being Reformed Presbyterian. So but it's but it's good. You know,

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I really I really when I go to poke fun, you know, to have fun. I mean, but this whole throwing people out the kingdom.

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No, man, that is just no, no. We're never more like the devil than when we do stuff like that.

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Well, we'll save that for Furtick and Andy Stanley. I'm kidding. I'm kidding, guys. That's a that's a joke here on the podcast.

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We talk about some of those guys that really look at we're supposed to call out false false theology and false doctrine in any wolf that we see.

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I'm not going that far right now on this podcast to say those two names are. But look, there's some teachings that those guys have that we need to, you know, let our brothers and sisters know about that.

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That's not what the Bible says. But anyway, we're getting off track. Let's put bookends on this thing and wrap it up.

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So very excited for the conference. I think it's how many speakers do we have in all right now?

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And how many? I believe it's ten. Yeah. And it's over basically three days. Correct? Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. And the debate will be on Saturday. And then also James White will be preaching our

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Lord or Lord's Day service. Yeah. I have Braden Patterson teaching Sunday school and he'll be teaching on Mormonism.

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Yeah. Now is is any of this going to be can anyone see it on video or just the are you going to have anything up afterwards or they just need to buy the hundred dollar ticket and come down to Tennessee and watch it live.

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Right. There's still tickets available. There's still tickets available. If you want to watch it afterwards, it'll be on my

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YouTube channel, Open Air Theology. But it will be quite a while.

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You know, it takes a long time to get everything uploaded and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah.

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Because my wife is slow. Yeah. I'm just echoing what she just said.

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Oh, no. Yeah. Anyone that does anything with video or audio or podcasting, it takes a little bit little work behind the scenes to get everything uploaded.

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But I'm glad that that's going to be uploaded because the debate at the end, I think is it's

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LSB kind of verse. The LSB versus the KJV.

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Which one's superior? Yeah. So it's going to be good.

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The LSB, for those that don't know, it's a new translation. If you work with the

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Greek Enya at all and you compare it to the LSB, it's money.

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So I just made the jump about a month ago after 15 years in the ESV. Yeah.

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I made the jump to LSB. I was 12 years in ESV. All right. So guys, make sure you go check out

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Pastor Jeffrey Rice's website, his rebinding. Remind everyone the name of the business again?

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Post Tender Breast Lux Bible Rebinding. There we go. We're going to link up the website so you guys can go check him out.

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We're going to link up the conference. We're going to link up where you can get tickets at if you guys want to go. I'm going to be down there hopefully doing some interviews, walking around.

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I'll get you guys some content from the conference too because I think it's going to be very good, obviously with Pastor Jeff's approval that we can put up here for you guys and listen to some of that stuff.

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Jeff, man, so good to have you on. Thank you for being so generous with your time. I'm telling you, I absolutely love your work that you do with the

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Bibles. I would encourage any of our listeners if you're thinking about it, not only for yourself or if you want to give it as a gift or surprise someone or a loved one or a spouse or something like that.

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Absolutely quality work. The best I've seen on the internet. It's a brother in the Lord, so we got to support him.

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Like you said, got to feed those kids, right? Got to feed my kids, man. All right, man.

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Thanks so much for being on here, guys. Thank you so much for listening to another episode of Dead Man Walking Podcast.

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