September 15, 2020 Show with Dr. Tony Costa on “Why Islam Cannot Bear Criticism”

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Introduction of Dr. Tony Costa and the Theme of Islamic Criticism

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My guest today is one of my favorite returning guests of all time, Dr. Tony Costa, on this 15th day of September 2020, and today is Tuesday, September 15th, 2020. Dr. Tony Costa is Professor of Apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary, and today we are going to be addressing the theme, Why Islam Cannot Bear Criticism.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to ironsharpensiron, or ironsharpensiron, Dr. Tony Costa.

It's a pleasure to be with you, Chris. And by the way, I don't talk like that. You must be talking about the Atlantic Canadians on the maritime side.

I don't know, it sounds pretty much like the way you said it in the NASB ad that you do. Well, to tell you a quick, funny story, I got approached by a woman who's a member of the church where I am a member also, Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

Not so sure they're too happy for me to tell the world that. But anyway, I got approached by her after the service, and she said to me, you know, I have to tell you something. I don't like your announcement in the beginning of the show.

I said, really, why not? She said, well, the man who's doing the announcement mispronounces iron. He says, iron sharpens iron. And I laughed and I said, he's Canadian. They all pronounce it that way. And I said, in fact, they're the ones that are spelling it.

I mean, that are pronouncing it the way we spell it. So I don't know if I'd be too critical of that. But anyway, tell our listeners about Toronto Baptist Seminary.

Sure. Toronto Baptist Seminary is the early Canada seminary. That are two doctoral seminaries that are committed to the use of grace and not compromise with...

Great. And if anybody wants to find out more information about Toronto Baptist Seminary, go to tbs .edu, tbs .edu. Well, as the professor of Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary, you're obviously very well suited to discuss what we are going to be discussing today, why Islam cannot bear criticism.

And if you could clarify exactly what that means, there's a reason why you said, because you came up with this theme. There's a reason why you said why Islam cannot bear criticism, because there are Muslims who are apologists, who open themselves and their religion up for public critique when they get involved in debates with you and our mutual friend, Dr. James White.

So it's not that there are no Muslims who are willing to have an open critique during an exchange of some kind, an inter-religious exchange, whether it be a debate or something else, but you said why Islam cannot bear criticism.

So if you can explain.

Right, right. And the reason why in ideology, we're not necessarily going to point out the...

Muslim Apologists, Bart Ehrman, and the Double Standard on Criticism

And it's interesting that when Muslim apologists are involved in scholarly exchanges and debates with non-Muslims, they will frequently, the Muslims that is, will frequently borrow from the Western world's enemies of Christianity, who are also not Muslim.

They will borrow from these folks like Bart Ehrman, who is an apostate who became an agnostic, who writes extensively on textual criticism, trying to bring into doubt and utter rejection the New Testament and the Bible as a whole, and that he has a mission, a passionate mission, to bring Christians to the point where they doubt and then reject the scriptures and cease being Christian.

Well, it's interesting that for folks that know their own religion does not permit the kind of scrutiny and criticism that they are willing to allow agnostics and atheists and even those that are enemies of Islam to bring to light, they will not dare allow the same kind of scrutiny that is allowed to be occurring amongst Muslims on their own religion, on the Quran and the Bible.

Right, a Muslim, and he's very, they will not use him in depth. There's a video, Trinity, that the Muslim did not get the response he wanted, and I thought, wow, I mean, here was Bart Ehrman. And again, that's the sign of a failed argument, is always in our Muslim friends really do need to do better things.

Well, before you go into some of your own examples of how this is made manifest, I know one thing that seems to be clear from my own exposure to debates with Muslims and hearing lectures on Islam, including by you, that there seems to be a scenario much like what we found in the novel Fahrenheit 451, where history is erased, and Muslims act as if there is only one Quran and there never were earlier versions, and yet they love to try to cast out upon the New Testament and the Bible because of the many different versions over the centuries that have appeared in written form of the Bible.

So if you could comment on that.

Yeah, the Quran that we have in our hand, this is the making that the Quran and the Muslims give, standard narrative Muslims and people, so that claim is...

Quranic Variants, Historical Erasure, and the Claim of an Untouchable Text

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Well, give us some of your own examples of how this phenomenon is working.

Yeah, so what I'll do, Chris, is I'm going to share a couple of passages, both from the... So I'm going to begin with the Quran, about why your Lord go against the Prophet, the Charlie Hebdo massacre, incidentally, in the Prophet 33, for a believer, man or woman, will not go to Muhammad, and Muhammad has declared or maligned the Prophet.

The idea of cursing, and then it goes to Christians that they were really killing, it's majority of them are Muslim, what Muslims should have organized in order to the smallest chapter, the last, the unlawful, fight against us and convert, then we have to pay.

Weirdest thing is true, God, and then it calls on a lot to curse, I cannot repeat on this program, we're doing this for your own, from the various Quran, because God, and to annoy God, is to bring people out, and then Muhammad, Islam, and the United Nations.

Even said it in a way that a Muslim would say it.

Absolutely, because he's against Muhammad.

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Welcome back. If you just tuned us in, this is Chris Arnzen and our guest today on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio is Dr. Tony Costa, Professor of Apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary. We are addressing the theme, Why Islam Cannot Bear Criticism.

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Let's say you're a Muslim and you're listening and you are starting to become fascinated or interested in or drawn to Christianity and you obviously don't want to draw attention to your identity yet. Well, we would obviously honour that request to remain anonymous.

So if it's a personal and private matter like that, feel free to remain anonymous, but if not, please at least give us your first name, city and state and country of residence. You were speaking before about, well, obviously our theme, which is why Islam cannot bear criticism, but one of the things that you discussed under that heading is the fact that the Quran identifies Ezra as the son of God according to the Jews and there is no record of the Jews believing that in the Hebrew scriptures or elsewhere, not even in the Talmud anywhere.

So therefore, it doesn't matter what defies logic and explanation and recorded history. The Quran is the Quran is the Quran and the Quran is Allah's word and cannot be questioned. And would that be also very similar to this circumstance they have with a false definition in the Quran of what the Trinity is, which includes in the Quran, Mary as one of the three persons of the Trinity.

Yes, absolutely. Not only does the Quran believe in Jesus to be God's son to say that the three that Christians and then the Quran just want to learn that, oh yeah, he is the God man. I can understand Mohammed goofing up on these issues.

I can understand that. He apparently was in the literate Christian theology. It's a word that how is it that Allah, who's supposed to go, hey, it's the word of God and challenging that. So I believe his name was a nurturer.

That was Mohammed Medina. Medina was a very large Jewish city. A lot of Jews there in Arabia at the time. And where they were just...

And it could have been that Mohammed witnessed an idolatrous practice by somebody professing to be a Christian where he was worshiping Mary, I guess.

Yeah, I mean, it's possible he may have met... There were apparently in Arabia, we know that because the Quran quotes from Gnostic sources, Gnostic gospels. And there was a group called the Calvaryians and a very high view of Mary.

So that is not what the Orthodox Church of 7th century Arabia believed. There's no mention of Mary in Catholics or Orthodox today. None of them. Even those who have a high Marian view like the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics, would never ever...

The Trinity, Mary, and Misrepresentation of Christian Doctrine in the Quran

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Yes.

He says, can Allah, the God of Islam, be compared to God, the Father, the God of Christianity? Is it the same God, the same spiritual being that both Muslims and Christians believe in? And a very good question.

And I thank you for submitting that, Oleksandr. But it's interesting that one of the heresies of Rome, which is not a part of its dogmatic statements, but it's a heresy in their modern catechism, of which traditionalist Catholics reject much of what is contained in the modern catechism, since it was produced after Vatican II.

But the Roman Catholic catechism says that the Muslims adore the same one true God as they do. So that is an interesting phenomenon in the Catholic catechism. But if you could comment on Oleksandr's question.

Sure, sure. Yeah, and it's true from Vatican II,.

Islam, and the Bible.

There's a very good possibility that centuries ago, you would have been executed as a Catholic for teaching that.

Yes, yes, yes, you would, because the Jews of heretics were denying that Christ, His Messiahship in the Trinity, not have a son, not Father, Son, Holy God, do everything. So I'm a God in the Catholic Bible, the Islamic God, Augustus.

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