Gospel Coalition Justin Giboney Tries to Scam You on Racial Justice - Part 1

Okay we are back we are doing it. We're just gonna we're just gonna do it. That's just we're just gonna do it that's it. We're just going to get it done and that's what we're gonna do. Today we are starting the response reaction video to the woke church i'm sorry not the woke church the racial injustice good faith debate featuring Justin Giboney and some other guy.

Racial Justice Debate and the Charge of a Church Scam

So let's get this started. We're just gonna go for it. Let's do it. Oh i don't want to do it but i have to do it. This is this is my this is my wheelhouse and we're just gonna go for it now before we begin.

Justin Giboney is the uh is the woke guy. And um Justin is a shyster. And if you don't know what a shyster is a shyster is like usually describes a lawyer and usually an unscrupulous lawyer lawyer. Now i don't know about his law practice or if he's got scruples in his law practice.

I don't know i'm sure he's a good attorney but i'm talking about his little scam that he runs on the church. He does this scam that a lot of people do where they claim to be uh tribalist. They you know they they're not on the left or the right.

They're not a republican or a democrat. They're they're they're the way of christ we we use the way of the cross and it sounds oh so good and wonderful. And the problem though is that it's a scam. The tribalists are never truly tribalists.

They are always on the left. It's a it's a flim flam. It's a scam. It's a bamboozle. It's bunko whatever you like to call it fugazi. It's not real. This is a scam that the and campaign that he runs is a scam.

It tries to trick people into thinking that they're very reasonable. But really they're just democrats. That's just the bottom line. Always they're they're always doing the most stupidest. They always take the stupidest position you could possibly take on any political situation.

That's what the end campaign is. And what they try to do is make it seem like it's the gospel-centered way. So like i said this guy that you're about to hear justin gibbony is a shyster. Let's continue.

Bunko. Bunko is my favorite one. What is the best approach for the church to address racial injustice. Well the best approach is to apply the law of god. And if you know the the law of god at all then you know that it it's it's it's one of the laws to not judge with partiality.

Therefore uh skin color should not come into play at all when you're deciding whether or not somebody has done something unjust or not whether the not the what the penalty should be for the injustice injustice that they did.

Uh it shouldn't. The bible is very clear that you shall not be partial because god is not partial. And it's very very careful. The bible is very careful to say you shouldn't be partial to a rich person or a poor person.

Because people he knows that people have the temptation to say well i'm going to be on the side of the poor because you know they they don't have any help. And and so i might i might i might tip the scales of justice a little bit in the poor direction.

And that's something that you're not allowed to do. You can't be partial either way. The bible is very specific about that. And so that's how you should approach uh racial injustice in the church i stand before you today as the grandson.

Of a civil rights era preacher bishop thomas lee cuba was born into a country where an african american was hanged or burned alive every four days. He couldn't set foot on the campus of most white conservative seminaries at least not as a student yet.

His high christology and belief in the authority of scripture helped him see the error in these realities and gave him a hopeful disposition. His gospel-centered social action was proof of his resolve not to give up on america or on majority christians who saw god and nationalistic idols but could not see the image.

The Grandfather's Civil Rights Witness and Gospel-Centered Social Action

Of god in him. He kind of sounds like uh like jackie chiles from seinfeld. This is egregious preposterous outrageous. Jackie chiles was a bit of a shyster too although he was a hilarious and jovial shyster.

Uh justin unfortunately is just a tragic and sad shyster in a society that devalued.

His life he learned to find joy and gratitude in the smallest things because he knew that cynicism.

Was a form of death. Your face is my case. That was the one when kramer was gonna was gonna sue because uh the smoke made his face all leathery. The man's a goblin. So he taught me that there was a solid and indivisible line.

This is the most public yet of my many humiliations between the.

Gospel and the pursuit of justice and righteousness in society. He showed me that leadership was the privilege of self-sacrifice jackie child and that we all had to make that sacrifice and that christians should choose to suffer themselves before adding to the suffering of others.

This was the instruction of old testament prophets the theology of abolitionists and martyrs from sharecropping fields and urban ghettos standing on the promises of god without flinching you know.

This guy sounds like a good guy. He sounds like he might have his head on straight. I don't know. I mean i don't know who he's talking about. I guess he said it's his grandfather or father or something.

I don't really know but he sounded like he had his head on straight. You know a christian should rather suffer uh themselves than have others suffer uh in their in their place uh. Which it's very confusing.

Because you guys are asking for reparations. Which you know i didn't do anything to you but i'm gonna be the one paying up you know what i mean. And the thing is like that's this is the thing about suffering and all this kind of stuff.

Like again the question is how do we handle justice. Uh racial justice. Any kind of justice. And it's according to the law of god. You see you guys are insisting on all kinds of unjust things to make up for the injustice in the past.

You're not trying to suffer instead of us. You're trying to extend the suffering. You see these white folks didn't do anything to you. But they're the ones that are gonna have to pay. Give me that money kind of thing.

So so that sounds real nice. I wonder what happened on the way to get to create justin because this guy sounds like he had his head on straight. And all of a sudden we got justin gibbony. I want that.

I want that other guy. That's the other guy. Sound pretty good. Imagine my.

Astonishment to find out that it was often christians wielding the whip of injustice. This is out bible believers guarding the loot and plunder of white supremacy. Imagine my disbelief in hearing that when justice and the moral majority clashed freedom did not ring death bells told from tulsa oklahoma to los angeles.

Imagine my surprise see this is the thing it's.

Like you know in my his grandfather sounded like a pretty good guy. And he's. I want to imagine my surprise when i found out christians were doing this stuff. And now i want revenge. Give me that gold hallelujah.

Give me them silver. Hallelujah. Now just that wasn't. That wasn't justin that was eric mason. But you know justin's along the same lines. Yeah. What happened. I guess i guess uh the morality you learned from your grandfather went out the window when when you decided you wanted revenge.

The woke church and all this racial justice stuff is very often about revenge. If you want to figure out why they're saying the things they're saying or why they're doing the things they're doing is because they want revenge.

They want vengeance. They want white people to suffer in the place where they imagine themselves to have suffered. What i find interesting about this too is the people that are complaining the most. They're often the ones that are kind of privileged.

I mean this man's a lawyer for goodness sake. He's a lawyer. If if the slave trade hadn't happened and all this stuff hadn't happened he might not be a lawyer. It's like it's usually the people. Kyle howard's the same way.

You know that guy grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth. And he's the one talking about oppression. And it's like my goodness. Like anyway. Anyway i think i've.

The Charge That Racial Justice Is Really Revenge

And this wasn't the isolated or momentary lapse in judgment of a few individuals. No it was a long-standing cultural mode of operation. And we must get rid of institutional praxis with its own apologetic and theology of duplicity.

This is how the american church found a way to disentangle justice from the message of jesus christ. That's not true that's.

Not what happened. Just justice. Justice. And the message of jesus christ was not disentangled by this this. It has been disentangled and and and disconnected. Uh but i but i would argue that that that that had a lot to do with the gospel centered movement.

That really dis they have. No they have no theology of good works. They have got no theology of the law of god. You need to focus on the law of god. That's the only way to have true justice. In with your message.

Uh from from jesus. Because jesus did command that we should obey his commandments. That's what he said. He said if you want to abide in his love you need to obey what he says. You need to teach the nations to to do everything that christ commands as part of the great commission.

So we're discipling the nations making them students. And then we're teaching them to observe everything christ commands. Not this other stuff like reparations and and and and we need to. We need to make everything equitable and everything.

Everything has to be. Everyone has to have the same stuff. And you know we gotta we gotta take from the white people. Give to the black people. Because the white people took with the black people. There's none of that in there.

That's all made up. Um but uh you know i think i think this.

Audience already knows that douglas once said that america that the american church is not only indifferent to the wrongs of slavery it actually takes sides with the oppressor. It made itself a bulwark of american slavery.

We could also say the american church was a bulwark of jim crow of congregational segregation and today a bulwark of the big lie. The american church indeed has done some good works and there are many who are doing good work today but on the whole it has been an abject failure on racial justice.

It's put forth little effort to fully reckon with that sin let alone make amends. Jay gresham machen in his classic book christianity and liberalism called christianity the religion of the broken-hearted he was saying this as a critique of liberal christianity.

He was saying that unlike liberals orthodox christians willingly went to the cross with a broken heart over sin. Theoretically i guess he was correct but the truth is a large part of the american church has never gone to the cross and broken-hearted humility over racial injustice.

Many majority christians have primarily responded with willful blindness defiance unrepentant. Many refuse to show contrition because contrition would involve vulnerability.

A lowering of oneself. This is outrageous preposterous egregious scandalous. And i can't i can't think of words like that fast. Um yeah all this is a lot of good rhetoric here. You know christians refuse to acknowledge their sin.

They refuse to repent. They refuse to go to the cross broken-hearted for the racial injustice that they perpetrated. And it's like well you know a lot of these guys didn't actually perpetrate any racial injustice.

And so i i i've never gone to the heart the cross broken-hearted over my racial uh sins or my racism or anything like that. I've never i've never been racist. I've never treated people differently with partiality.

I've never hated someone due to the the color of their skin or stuff like that. I've never sought to punish someone because of the color of their skin and stuff like that. I've never done that. So of course i've never gone to the cross apologetic for that or repenting of that.

And i feel like a lot of white folks feel the same way. They've never done anything and maybe their grandfather did or something like that. But but we've turned from that. And we've we've we've started we've stopped doing that.

You know we've repented and we've started doing the right things in that regard and so so you know we're not crying over it but like what's the big deal. You know what i mean what's the big deal. I feel like a lot of people feel like that.

Yeah i'm not crying over it but but i don't do it anymore. You know i don't know but they want revenge though. You see they they they need to they need something to punish white people for white people's problems.

And again none of this comes from the bible. This is just what they they want revenge. And so they'll say stupid stuff like you've never been broken hearted enough. You've never repented enough. You haven't done all this stuff and and so.

The rhetoric sounds great. I mean the church. Wow.

They're really evil can't be humble and maintain an air of superiority in an all-consuming culture war. Public humility apparently is too great a price to pay for justice according to he says.

All this stuff. But but obviously this is all just rhetoric. This is all just him emoting like this is prove it if if the american church is still racist and it refuses to go to the cross broken-hearted prove it.

Well the way you prove it is because they're not voting democrat. Barner group less.

Than half of white christians agree that historically the u .s has been oppressive to minorities that's objective historical fact. Yet many bear false witness. Those numbers also show that white christians are less likely less willing to address racial justice than white americans generally.

Such a dishonest and hostile public witness witness has robbed the church of moral.

Credibility and it hurts our ability to evangelize. Look at this this is so interesting. The standard is the pagans and the church does not meet the standard that he has set up. Justin gibbony the shyster has said this is the standard of you know these are the guys that get racial justice.

It's the pagans. They get it and the church isn't doing what these guys are doing. At least not that many of them. Therefore the church needs to measure up to where the pagans are out. How about this one.

Justin maybe they're actually not doing anything correctly. Maybe they actually don't get it. Maybe they have no morality. Maybe they don't know what they're doing. Maybe they are a horrendous standard to measure the christians up to this is the thing it's like it doesn't enter your your weirdo mind that maybe the pagans are doing it wrong and the church is doing it right.

Maybe the church is salt and light and maybe the pagans aren't. It's it's so amazing the woke church is so often and gospel culture they so often just assume that the pagans they're the salt and light here.

They're the ones that are getting it right. I remember uh uh eric mason in his book said that jay-z was like this has done more for racial uh racial justice than the church. The entire history of the church.

Jay-z the rapper money cat shows himself has done more for racial justice than the church. And i'm like you don't you guys do you see any problem with that kind of thinking my goodness gracious. It's just it's like anyway so yeah that that's.

That's what chicer's do though they they they put up a false standard. This is this is what we're not measuring up to the pagans. And white white folks white christians. We need to start doing better.

We need to start doing it the way the pagans are doing it. Because they got this one right. They've got the moral superiority. They're the moral standard church. You gotta catch up. You guys are twisted bro twisted.

And it all makes sense when you think about they really want you to vote democrat. It's like these guys like like the democratic party is so demonic now that it's like it's hard to hide it like they have a hard time hiding.

How demonic they are. And it's like man that's the standard though. That's where we that's where we're not. We're falling short of that standard. I don't. I want nothing to do with.

That standard just the church must must approach racial justice with a broken heart it must humbly acknowledge its failures and show reparative love through sacrifice. It can no longer glorify itself through romanticizing american history.

And all this starts with this change in spirit a different attitude and mentality when it comes to race.

Broken-Hearted Humility Versus the Pagan Standard

But that's. And then we need money hallelujah gold hallelujah snacks. We need drip up in here. And if and if you don't give us enough damn damn that drip uh it's outrageous preposterous.

Egregious it's only the beginning in jeremiah 22 the prophet delivers a message to the authorities of judah on behalf of the lord. He tells them to do what is just and right. The english standard version says do justice and righteousness.

This uh the command isn't cryptic. It's not presented in riddle. Nor is it quantum physics. It's a it's a plain command followed by a credible threat from a god who hates injustice. God's message is so clear that the hearers don't even have to do the application themselves.

Perhaps just in case they're dim-witted or unstudious. God does the application for them. He tells them exactly what he means rescue from the hand of the oppressor the one who has been robbed. That's what we're told to do.

This is not a timid or conditional suggestion. It's not. It's not a requirement that can be placed aside at times of inconvenience. It's a command that reflects the will and the character of god. And it speaks directly to the plight of black america.

Historian david hollinger said that blacks are the only group to inherit a multi-century legacy of group-specific slavery and institutionalized debasement under constitutional authority. Black women are still three times more likely to die from a pregnancy related call.

Did he just pause. Not just on account of socio-economic factors but because of mere of american narratives and biases in regard to the black body. Brian stevenson points out that black defendants are 11 times more likely than white defendants to receive the death penalty.

20 times more likely if the victim was white. It takes some serious logical leaps and willful ignorance to separate those disparities from this country's long history of racism and from the american church's complicity to do what is just and right today means no longer being the keepers of a disordered status quo.

Racial justice must become a priority. The great commandment tells us to love our neighbor as ourselves first. John 3 16 gives love definition. It says this is how we know what love is. Jesus christ laid down his life for us.

Biblical love is not simply a sentimental disposition or kind remarks. Love in this instance is action attending to the needs of others. Love is self-sacrificial. It's not just.

Action. It's action according to the law of god. It's not just doing something for the other person or laying down your life for the other person. It's doing it according to the law of god. And so we can't go out lynching you know white cops every single time they're in an altercation with the black guy and saying oh this is another example of racial injustice.

We have to actually do it according to the law of god. That's the that's the ticket. It's like he's right. It is action. Love is an action. But it's according to the law of god the law of love. That's what it says in the scripture right.

The first four commandments love the lord your god. And then the second the next six commandments loving your neighbor as yourself. It's just that simple. That's how you.

Have to do it. Majority christians cannot remain comfortable. They can't continue to fear change or to center their own agenda and here's a big one majority institutions also cannot allow a number of bigoted donors to prevent them from taking substantive action towards towards justice.

Notice what he just said like the the the the majority uh christians or people can't can't uh do things to their own benefit or can't you know center their own agenda. But i guess minorities can do things to their own benefit and center their own agenda.

That's actually not how it works at all that would be partiality. Right. We all have to give up our own agendas and go with god's law god's agenda what god requires. That's what we need to do. Right. We can't.

We have to love god more than we love our own family our own blood our own flesh and blood. That's what the scripture says. And so you can't love your tribe more than you love god. Now you can love your tribe but you can't do it in replacement for god.

Like if god's law conflicts with the interests of your tribe tough luck tribe that's how it has to go. But that doesn't. That's not how it goes for justin gibbony that because gibbony's a shyster right.

So he wants you to to vote him benefits and his him and his his tribe benefits. And says that's what love is. See that's what the white see that's why the white pagans are able to out more moralize the church.

Because they're they're just doing things that benefit him and his tribe. And him and the people that have dark skin just like him they're doing things that benefit them. So they must know how to do this better.

But what. But but what what he what he's failing to point out is that god's law doesn't allow you to have partiality towards blacks. Even if blacks have a sad and tragic and depressing history in the united states it still doesn't allow you to show partiality towards them.

And so that's why there's this uneven uh thing here where the pagans are doing everything. Right. Well yeah. Because when they're ignoring god's law and voting you benefits and that's what you claim is the standard.

Of course they're doing it better than the church. Because the church isn't going to show partiality to you and your black friends. That's not how it's. That's not how it works. I mean they're not supposed to show partiality to me and my puerto rican friends or or or white folks and their white friends.

That's not how it works. And you can't say well you guys had partiality in the past. You got all these benefits. And so now to make up for those benefits we're going to get some benefits. You can't send your way out of sin.

That's not how it works. And so you can see he's got this all messed up and twisted. He's got a false standard that he's trying to get christians to to go with. And that's the pagan white person standard that he showed us earlier instead of the biblical standard which is what a christian ought to do.

That's how a christian ought to engage racial justice. It's not about just voting yourself benefits some of these relationships.

Reparations, History Curriculum, and the Church's Public Witness

Will have to die. Racism has never been painless and there's no painless path towards racial justice. But allow me to provide a few very specific things that the church can do in regard to racial justice and i would like you to note this isn't an exhaustive list and none of these involve government mandate.

This is what the church can do internally and the other things may be a separate conversation. The first one is a race history curriculum. I've been blown away by how many christians simply don't know the truth about american history when it comes to race and you can see that from the numbers i just just gave.

But we must reckon with the truth and with.

Some of our failures. Oh great. So another. All right. Well how many how many months do you need. I mean you've got black history month and then now we've got like juneteenth. It's like another black history month.

Um and when we do we do. We do we do. Martin luther king. You know conferences and stuff like that. Uh you know gospel coalition promotes so much racial justice history. Nonsense. How many how many months do you need.

What do you. What do we need to do. We need to start setting aside special worship time to have your black history. You know awareness time like what what is it. Actually. How how much do we have to to learn.

It's just like man like the audacity of these people. It's just like you don't. You don't know enough. You have to read more but you have to read more books about with black authors and black histories.

Like guys i can't think of a people group that i've studied more than african-americans in the united states. Like i honestly i'm not even i'm not even joking. Maybe it's because i'm a yankee. Maybe maybe.

That's what it is. Maybe maybe there's a disconnect here because i'm a yankee. And that's what we did. I mean. But we had i can't i i can't even. It's it was a lot it was a lot. But i guess it's not enough.

We need to come up with more of that. If you don't come up with a curriculum that is outrageous egregious preposterous scandalous.

Bigoted i was. Uh i was shown recently some excerpts from a history book that was used in christian school that said that the civil war was primarily about states rights and it went all through with these false equivalencies between the union and the confederacy as truth tellers as.

People who are oh so that's what it is. He wants. Fake history curriculum taught in in. Uh he wants to flatten it all out. It's like everything is only ever about race. It's only about race and slavery and martin luther king that that's what he wants.

He wants curriculum that makes it everything seem much more simplistic than it actually is in history. I get it now. It's not about another month. He just wants it to be uh as as woke as possible. That's what he wants.

He wants everything to be very simplistic. Black skin white skin. Package it up in a lunch box and there you go. That that explain everything by that race. Everything's racist. That's what he wants. He wants curriculum.

That shows everything's racist committed to the truth. Christian denominations and institutions should come together and endorse a curriculum that accurately depicts american history.

The good and by accurately he means inaccurately oh wow the bad for this next one i would ask us to.

Step out of our ideological boxes and consider it from a biblical standpoint. The other thing we can do deals with voters rights by law. We know that black people have been disenfranchised in this country far longer than they've had franchise that's indisputable in support of equality and human agency.

All christians should come together and support voters rights or at least support research to evaluate the fairness in our system. If some are right and there's nothing to be found then we'll know there's nothing to be found.

But if your brothers and sisters feel there is an issue given the history of this country it's worth looking into. Now this next one i would ask everyone to step out of their ideological boxes for a second and think about voters rights.

That's oh my god this. From a biblical standpoint there's a lot.

Definitely. A lot of black people that are not allowed to vote you know that's the thing it's like. But black people can't vote you know. And these are all upstanding you know uh righteous and holy black people that are being pushed out of the right to vote.

There's so many of them. If you don't know that then you need to go back to that curriculum that he talked about earlier.

Where everything's fake we must pursue the principle of reparations. Some christian institutions that are operating today benefited even from slavery. For example we know that both the southern baptist theological seminary and princeton acknowledge benefiting from revenue tied to slavery.

For princeton for instance they said that 30 to 40 percent of their revenue during the pre-civil war period was tied to slavery. Duke kwan and gregory thompson do an excellent job of talking about this.

In their book reparations i propose that majority churches who are able should find black churches and brown churches in their area to support them financially with best practices not culturally driven.

Strings attached. We should create business opportunities and educational opportunities for black and brown communities. Listen we serve a mighty god. Racism isn't permanent nor is it indestructible but we must be willing to sacrifice and have the moral imagination to heal a polarized church.

Everyone must sacrifice.