Road Trip #3: The Sad Situation of Steven Anderson, then, Ammon Hillman Reveals His True Intentions

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Well greetings and welcome to the dividing line, my name is James white we are on the road yet once again Hopefully this is working.

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It looks like everything over there says it's working. Anyways, we'll find out. We're also I Really couldn't put

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Starlink out today. So we're going 5g. Let's let's hope that when everybody gets home around here

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Here in Mobile, Alabama that the cell tower keeps working and we don't crash and burn

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It's worked pretty well so far. So we hope I'm here in Mobile.

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We've got the debate on Saturday evening On the subject of the mass. I hope you'll be praying for that praying for clarity of thought and expression it is

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It is a different thing to debate someone When I debated Mitchell Pacwa on this subject

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To my knowledge he has always been a Roman Catholic So there's a certain dynamic that you have there, it's a different dynamic when you're dealing with someone who was once an ordained

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PCA minister Someone who should know what

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I believe and Therefore has specifically abandoned

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What would be our common confession of faith that is a

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Different dynamic than dealing with a lifelong

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Roman Catholic and so I've also mentioned that I'm a little concerned about simply because I Have never even heard the man speak

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I've not been provided any Debates recordings anything like that at all.

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I don't you know, I I've said many times You know, I try to listen

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Extensively to the people that I'm going to be debating so, you know months and months and months of listening to Bart Ehrman and Dr.

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Price and Mitch Pacwa Shabbir Ali things like that and the debates that have been the most challenging and Difficult were the ones where I debated someone.

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I had no idea where they'd be coming from so We will see I will be bringing my fully charged hearing aids with me

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And We are we are trying a different way of doing audio just a few minutes ago

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And so I had taken them out and we were trying something else and it didn't work. And so we will see see what happens

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Real quickly Some serious stuff to talk about and if if I get into it

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I will provide a parental warning if we have to talk about certain things. I decide to go there.

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I'm not sure that I will Been on the road today again most of the day so Not sitting around watching social media not sitting around watching news things like that, but my

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Understanding is that there are some very odd and strange things happening on the election scene and that there is more and more of a willingness of people on the left to criticize

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Kamala Harris and This is

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I'm a theologian and apologist Textual critical guy, so I'm not claiming any special knowledge of politics, but Always in the back of my mind as I have considered what the left is doing to degrade and destroy

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Western culture is the fact that they will turn on each other we do live in God's world

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Romans 1 is true of them and It just makes me wonder

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Kamala Harris became the nominee via a coup and I know that Joe Biden is senile

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But I've gotten the feeling in some of the things he has said He's not overly happy About what happened?

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I know Mrs. Biden isn't she was looking forward to another four years of power and So I'm just I'm just wondering

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Maybe if there's not some stuff going on in the background some backstabbing people turning on other people

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What is it? I think someone said 11 days something like that to go What do you bet some really interesting stuff happens?

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Now it's gonna be boring. It's 11 days Nothing's gonna happen.

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Yeah, I did by the way I should I shouldn't say this, but I went through the drive -thru at McDonald's.

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I was rushing around I just needed to grab something. I hadn't you gotta remember something one of the

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One of the tortures of living the life I'm living right now The RV life is that when

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I'm driving down the road like today Louisiana Have you ever heard of a rest stop,

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I mean, that's serious. I'm looking for a rest stop You know cuz

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I'm I've got a toilet, you know in the thing behind me the road So I just need a place to pull over.

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There is no place to pull over. I mean, I can just go in the rest stop and use my own restroom if I want to but you know in Texas you're gonna have a rest stop every 20 25 30 miles.

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They're really nice ones, too Um, Louisiana forget it and So I finally crossed the border into Mississippi and within one mile you had the

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Mississippi Welcome Center and nice restrooms Stuff and it's like oh my goodness.

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Um It's just it's just part of life and now I totally lost where in the world

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I was going I I wouldn't stop and told you about About what was going on there, but anyway,

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I Didn't didn't get chance to listen. Oh So let me finish that part of the story.

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It came back to me you're you know today I had a protein bar and these are my two drinks that I had with me in the door of the truck and that's pretty much all

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I had for five hours of driving and You're passing all of these canes,

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I love canes and Chick -fil -a. Yeah Canes a little better than Chick -fil -a, but they're both really good.

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You know all these and I can't go there. There's no place for me to park.

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I certainly can't go through the drive -thru Not when you're 13 and a half feet tall you've never noticed that you know little thing up there

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Well, I'm too wide and believe me. I'm too tall and way too long Can't go through drive -thrus and there's almost never any place to park and once while you see

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Big rig parking or something like that. That's extremely rare so, you know, it's like torture so I unhooked in Lafayette Because I was gonna go see a kind Christian chiropractor that helped put my neck in better shape.

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It was getting really bad and So on the way, I just need to grab a quick bite to eat I needed to get there a certain time so I knew there was a

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McDonald's close by So I went through got a fillet of fish sandwich, and please don't send me stuff about how bad fillet of fish sandwiches.

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All right I'm not interested whatsoever. Okay, you give thanks to God for it and you go off in there and so I go through the the drive -thru and I pull up to the first window and there's this young guy in there and The window opens and he tells me what it is and I go.

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Oh, I'm disappointed. I was I was hoping for President Trump And he he smiled and I said

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I bet you I'm not the first one to say that today am I and he says no And I said you gotta admit best advertising ever he says, oh, yeah

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So it was I'm Wondering if they're gonna be some kickbacks there or something like that along the line.

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So anyway Here we are and Speaking of the

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You know what's going on? I think some interesting stuff's gonna happen between the next 11 days.

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I think every day I mean I heard the only clip I did I did turn on Fox News in the truck briefly because I was

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I'll tell you what I was listening to here a moment and They had a clip of someone interviewing

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Kamala Harris and he goes do you really believe Donald Trump is a fascist and she says yes,

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I believe that and I guess she likened him to Hitler or something You know

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It wasn't all that long ago that presidential elections had a

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Level of respect to them and Look, Donald Trump does not bring a level of respect to presidential politics

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But there just isn't any left anywhere the

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I That the first president I ever voted for was Ronald Reagan and It's still classic,

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I mean there's there's great Reels on YouTube of Ronald Reagan jokes because he was he was called the great communicator and he was he was a great communicator and He was great with jokes and He won

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The election against Mondale, of course, that was it. That was I think up to that point and I think it's still the most lopsided victory ever in presidential politics,

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I think He only got one state. I think Minnesota where he was from But he won that debate and he won the election

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With one joke during one of the presidential debates and The people asking the questions and back then

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They actually tried to ask fair questions to both sides shocking

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The media was not yet completely on the payroll of the Communist Party and the and the

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Democratic Party same thing anymore and so Reagan was was asked about his age because he was considerably older and he did start developing

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Alzheimer's toward the end of his term, but it's considerably older than Mondale and Reagan Reagan goes

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I am not going to allow The issue of age and My opponents inexperience

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To become I'm not gonna use that in this election. I forget the you can look it up.

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It's and the camera showed my Mondale knew that Mondale was a really boring guy.

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I mean he was just proof talk about milquetoast boring

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He did the look on his face is I am NOT not only am I not going to try

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To respond to this because it would be disastrous, but I realized I just lost

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It's it's over. It's done. Yeah That was the zinger of all zingers

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That is my there. There are about three or four Reagan jokes Like the little little puppies or kittens

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That the little boy was selling that's a great joke look it up and The Dem the

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Republican and Democrat manure pile That's a great one.

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He had all sorts of zinger jokes about Russia about the Soviets just just I think he mocked

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The Soviet Union into collapse it wasn't it wasn't the arms race the space race

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I think it was Reagan's jokes. It just we give up We're just gonna move to America and take over that way, which is what they've done

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But then my favorite my favorite is miss me Put in Ronald Reagan and miss me and the problem is some of you won't know why it's so hilariously funny

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But he had been shot. I was I've told you before I was sitting in guitar class my senior year in high school

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And the vice -principal came on. Mr. Munoz came on the loudspeaker system at school and told us the president been shot and It was months after that after he'd recovered.

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He barely he almost died. I've read some books about what happened They barely they barely saved him.

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But when he recovered it happened twice. He did it twice so I know of but there was like a

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Balloon that popped or a light bulb that exploded or something. He got just bang and Everything stops and you see him

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Looking at his notes and he goes miss me That takes that takes guts it really does take guts

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And that didn't remind me of something else just real quickly here Mike like Kona totally shifting gifts here shifting gears here

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Well sort of I Saw this I came up on Twitter.

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I think Mike like Kona. There's one of those shorts things, you know, where you the videos framed like a

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Phone screen or something up and he's talking about how he just voted and It was actually well edited.

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You know, I voted for Religious freedom I voted for freedom of speech I voted against endless wars and you know, all the rest of this stuff and I'm I'm watching this and I'm nervous because You know,

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I've criticized dr like Kona a number of times and it will be in the future where you talk about his view of inerrancy and stuff like that and you have to have to do that, but So I'm wondering where is this going?

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And At the end he goes and there is only one candidate to vote for to accomplish all these things and he reaches down He puts on a

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MAGA hat. He says I voted for Donald Trump. I Was like well good on you,

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I mean given even quote -unquote Christian Scholarship Contexts and a lot of seminaries these days and a lot of woke people running around Christian seminaries today sadly and I'm like That took some guts.

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It really did. He's taking a chance to do that he's gonna he's gonna get criticized and I was like good on him good on him.

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Give that give that boy a pat on the back now Let's talk about inerrancy. But anyway I did

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I did, you know, I have criticized him. So when he does something that took some serious guts,

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I'm like, okay Thumbs up giving credit on that one. That was that was good okay, uh,

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I am not

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Completely certain How to address this particular topic

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I I'm really not Um I've been thinking a lot about it today as as I was driving and We've I really may have stumbled across Something here

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That's Well, you know what but the put the clutch in one other thing

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I did want to mention Real quick before I get to the really heavy stuff So I want to get that out I don't want to put the really heavy stuff in the middle and people might have to tune out and stuff and then miss

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Everything else. Well, they're both heavy topics, but for different reasons. I did want to Comment two days ago.

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I listened to Pastor David bears ins bears in bears ins. I'm not totally certain uh

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He is one of the NIFB and I think NIFB is done new

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Fundamentals Baptist. It's a movement that Steven Anderson pretty much started and sort of ruled over a little

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Pope type thing going on there But By his own testimony

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Well, let me just mention if you're not aware of this I Don't know how you can't be aware of this but Steven Anderson's four adult children have left the home have all recorded

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Sometimes multi -hour video interviews accusing him of being abusive

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To his wife his wife being abusive both of them being abusive to kids beatings just all sorts of really ugly nasty stuff and I You know

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Steven Anderson has tried in the past to has personally attacked me

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Jeff Durbin There's there's no love lost there in that sense, but when

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I first started hearing about it I was like That the the anger that he has always demonstrated is not

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This isn't overly shocking to me But I don't want to I don't want to get in this one of the children actually contacted me and I wrote back and I'm like Nice to hear from you.

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Yeah Your dad and I have had some battles in the past are you talking about some kind of you know interview or just what and He went with somebody else pretty quickly and I don't move overly fast with stuff like that And and I was feeling uncomfortable about it one way or the other

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My issues of Steven Anderson have been biblical historical factual I didn't necessarily want to pile on with all the rest of this stuff and So there's a lot of people

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Separating from Anderson the NF and IFB I think is pretty much just falling apart and this

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David Bersin's he tells the story at the beginning of Just I mean this seems to have been one of Steven Anderson's best friends

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You know led this guy's wife to the Lord baptized him they were in the church for years and years

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Anderson helped them plant churches, of course, these are NIF be

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Screaming King James only anti Lordship churches

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Which are not healthy. They're abusive but anyway

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But he gives his credentials and They're quite impressive in the sense that This was one of Anderson's closest buds closest friends

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Involved in ministry for I think 18 years a lot and He's making the announcement to their church that they are separating from pastor

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Anderson Now I was listening to this again while driving and I just you know part part of it is

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We're all still thinking about and processing the Steve Lawson stuff even though sure has gotten quiet I Wonder how long it's gonna stay quiet.

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It can't stay quiet. They can't You can't well, they can try and I have a feeling they're gonna try but that's only gonna make it worse.

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There needs to be a Sufficient not sufficient to answer all the people that want dates times everything else but Sufficient to satisfy

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Biblical mandate shall we say Explanations for What actually took place and and things like that?

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So, you know you think about stuff like that you think about How difficult things like that are and I I don't want to see

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I don't I didn't want to see that going on even amongst churches that I would consider to be extremely imbalanced and downright dangerous, honestly, and So I was just sort of like little but now that all this stuff is out there

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I Did I'm not thinking so I did see a clip from I think Few days ago

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Anderson railing away and now his he's he's going after this guy and Saying anybody who's telling you to go watch these videos his kids videos

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You're they're sinning because they're disrespecting their parents you're like Okay, look

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And he mentions that in one of them. My son called me a Baby he didn't say bleep bleep, but he knew what he was talking about.

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Hey, I get it. I was Very turned off by the language that was used by a couple of the children and That saddens me

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It saddens me a lot and that isn't necessary and That is destructive and it is simple for that matter

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But do you really think that pointing out that it's sinful that they use bad language of you is an answer to the actual issue the actual issue being

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The accusations that you're not refuting and that this like bears and said What finally clicked for him was when he listened to what the kids were saying and he goes

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I was there I saw that My wife and I saw that It all started coming together

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But the real thought across my mind was Shouldn't bears and all these other guys be sitting back going

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Have we missed it all along? Have we have we adopted an absolutely abusive?

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means meth methodology of Ministry preaching and teaching it.

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Is it possible that we're this tiny little group out here that everyone's just like yeah

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And that there's a reason for that and it's not because we are the super godly biblical ones but because we've got blinders on I mean pastor

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David You've got to you've got to deal with the reality that You missed this you said you were apart.

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You were close to these people you were in their home You missed it. And you might say well, you know,

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I always miss Steve Lawson all I ever I've said before Steve and I had dinner once Where he picked my brain on John chapter 10 and used me as a sermon as a as a sermon

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Someone to help with the sermon without telling it at that time and we we had dinner a second time at a g3 thing

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But even then even though I was sitting right next to him we were pretty much talking to different people and Even though we spoke at the same conferences and and I would sit, you know,

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I might be sitting right next to him in the Q &A Says Q &A was over. He's up and out of there and I'm out talking to folks and so yeah, no,

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I was I Did not have any type of close relationship with Steve Lawson at all

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I didn't spend time at his home. I if his wife had walked by I would have known who she was another kind of stuff

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So I Feel for these guys and my hope and prayer is that they're gonna go Because I appreciate this guy goes look

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I have to do what Scripture says and we're supposed to separate from people like this and and Okay, but consider whether maybe your view of Scripture has been stunted

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By human traditions and By the fact that fundamentalism is primarily a religion of fear and that it keeps you from looking at other perspectives

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Give give give some consideration to think about it. I think that's I Think that's important.

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All right, so back to what I was gonna say on the last program we

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I played a portion of Of a clip of an interview on the

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Danny Jones webcast Of a man by the name of Ammon Hillman.

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Dr. Ammon Hillman I'd never heard of him

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My dear brother Jeff Durbin sent me that clip

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I Think the night before and said hey someone said this to me Said it would be valuable for us to comment on it and So What do you think and so I listened to it and I was like whoa no, because it's stuff like on the on the

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Greek Septuagint and relationship the Septuagint to the Hebrew text to the

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Masoretic text Hebrew Old Testament textual criticism the various traditions

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The Targums and all that stuff, you know, that's something that I've always found very fascinating.

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It's very very interesting it's a little bit esoteric for a lot of folks, but When you do apologetics, you've got to be familiar with this kind of stuff.

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And so I found it really interesting The next day the day of the last programs on Tuesday Someone on Facebook and I mentioned this sent me a message

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You think I think you could respond to? Ammon Hillman's stuff on Jesus in the

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Garden of Gethsemane and I just wrote back question mark because I didn't make the connection and And by the time he got back to me

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I'd made the connection and had looked up what he was talking about.

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That was the second clip that I mentioned on the last program then after the last dividing line rich and I were chatting in signal and He said is that the guy

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That the folks down in Florida wanted you to come on the webcast about and I'm like, huh,

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I Didn't know what he was talking about. And he said I sent you an email. I'm like Okay I mean

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I slept since then and So when he resent it then I went oh, yeah

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I already I did respond to this email and it was just sort of a generic thing where this guy was going

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We'd like to fly out to Florida and a lot of people suggested you need to bum There's been a lot of discussion on our program about the

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Bible and manuscripts stuff like that And a lot of people said we need to have you on to talk about these things and I had said well

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I don't fly anymore. So I I Will be on the

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East Coast or close to the East Coast supposed to be depending on what happens with the election in September of 2025 at g3 and You can get down to Florida from from Atlanta if you needed to and so I sort of left left that out there and then

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I suggested somebody else because he talked about manuscripts stuff like that. I had said hey I'd contact

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Peter Gurry from Phoenix seminary. He's great on that stuff and and I never heard back

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So once he rich sent me that email I looked it was the producer for the same show this show that we had responded to on the last program and so I Think the fellow on Facebook said yeah, there's like a three and a half hour program.

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They did with him So I'm like I Listened to all the rest that second clip because remember on last program.

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I said I hadn't even listened to all of it yet and I was Stunned what

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I played for you was probably some of the most innocuous At least discussable debatable

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Elements that three and a half hour program I Found it yesterday started yesterday and Finished it today, and I've been thinking to myself.

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How do I even address this? large portion what like that They edited now if you become a patreon member you can get the unedited version and all the rest that blah blah blah

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But the reason they edited it and so there'd be these snippets of silence

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But Often the first letter would be there so you could sort of guess what was being said

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The reason I edited it is because of how foul it is not and I don't mean four -letter words.

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There's a couple of those It's vile It was oppressive to listen to Spiritually oppressive demonically so demonically

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I'm being perfectly serious Early on in the interview Hillman says that he spent time in Israel on a archaeological dig and they are in a kibbutz and You'd share rooms of people in a kibbutz obviously and Two nights in a row

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The other person in the middle of night sat bolt upright in bed Waking him up and Turned to him and both of them didn't know each other both of them said

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You will have what was it a company or a troop? You have a troop of demons protecting you because You are going to bring forth the

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Antichrist and Remember I read to you

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What it says on the video from Danny Jones It says dr.

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Ammon Hillman earned his MS and bacteriology and PhD in classics University of Wisconsin Madison where he specialized in ancient

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Greek and Roman medicine and pharmacy His first book the chemical muse was published with st.

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Martin's Press immediately after his dissertation committee Forced him to delete all references to recreational drugs from his thesis.

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They talked about this in the thing Dr. Hillman was recently investigated by the

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Vatican for demon possession and portal opening

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While teaching as a professor of classical languages Portal Demon possession and he's talking about These people saying he's gonna bring forth the

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Antichrist when I I mean it is it meanders everywhere and Not in the endearing way that Dave Hunt meandered everywhere

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It Meanders everywhere in the way that any conversation with a drug addict meanders everywhere if you've ever

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Talked to someone who is shot out permanent

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Reorganizing of the pathways of the brain through chemical substances. They lose the ability to Follow Logical thought and to make categorical

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Comparisons they can't compare categories and as a result since they can't compartmentalize things properly

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They will make connections to things Across compartmental borders

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That the rest of us don't make and they may think this is their Enlightenment and I think this man believes exactly that That his ability to make these connections is

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Enlightenment what it actually is is the fog of drug abuse and It became very obvious to me first of all,

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I'm not questioning for a second that the man is quite capable in Classical Greek that's different than coin a but classical

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Greek He is widely read highly intelligent He can bring all sorts of interesting facts to mind

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But he is at the same time

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Incredibly arrogant thinks that Greek classical studies is

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All there really is he looks down his nose that Classes is to specialize in Latin works

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Has no respect whatsoever biblical scholarship anything like that Slammed biblical scholars over and over again.

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So there's an incredible Arrogance there, but there is an imbalance that is absolutely astonishing.

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I've never seen Someone as imbalanced as this man

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The world revolves Around drugs for this man.

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He finds them In everything in everything He thinks he has found the key that Enlightens the mind opens the mind to understand how everything relates everything else and it's drugs.

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It's not just doing drugs It's seeing that drugs are being done everywhere.

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I Mentioned the last program a lot of people are unaware the

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Greek term pharmakia in The New Testament From which we get pharmacy pharmaceuticals

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Is often associated with spirits and demonism and certainly up until modern times there was very little distinction made and so there was a tremendous amount of heroin use and all sorts of shrooms and everything else and all the popular psychedelic stuff that they're talking about today where you know people take this stuff and they see

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God and they have all these experiences and there's nothing overly knew about that and Greek and Roman pagan religion was filled with Mind -altering experiences

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Using drugs to open your mind to demonic influences And it was very often associated obviously with sexual activity

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So, you know You've probably heard your pastor. He was probably rather careful about it

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You've heard your pastor Sorry about that. I got a I got a little ice cube in there.

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You've heard your pastor when preaching in 1st Corinthians Talking about you you can't help when they're talking about meat sacrifice to idols

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You give the background of what was going on in Corinth That that there were three pagan temples and a food market

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Fourth corners food market every corner in Corinth. There was all over the place That's how the city made most of its money and that there were temple prostitutes male and female

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So, you know, you don't have to get Overly specific, but it's very very obvious that there was this kind of Demonic evil

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Pagan worship going on and the church Corinth it's two epistles because Those the people are being converted by the

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Spirit of God in that place and that's a dark dark place. So Despite the fact that he thinks none of us knew this

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I've known this since seminary and Obviously some of these things I did learn on my own

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But You know in my own studies, but it's it's not hidden knowledge.

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It's not, you know, some new thing that we Were waiting for him to come along and reveal to all of us that there has been a lot of drug use and Drugs were used in the cults

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Cult doesn't mean Jehovah's Witnesses normally the various Gnostic groups as well as others

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Where you obtain knowledge through going through various ceremonies these ceremonies might include sexual debauchery

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They might include drugs. They might include all that same time normally and Then you're given special keywords

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Etc, etc that Allegedly open your mind and what's actually happening is your minds being opened by the drugs and then influenced by demonic spirits

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Yeah, that's general knowledge at least for New Testament scholars and people who do

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New Testament background studies and and things like that and You know

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Probably in my dad's generation and the generation before that you didn't really talk much about that from the pulpit

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But it's in the books and so it is pretty much general knowledge and So It doesn't matter what you're talking about with M and Hillman it's all about drugs and And He strikes me as an individual who has experimented with pretty much all of them as well his speech patterns his inability to Stay on course jump over here jump over there and then

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There were a couple times they put up some Some screenshots of some slides.

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He had given them from a presentation he does And Quoted from an 1850s

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Oxford Greek lexicon classical Greek lexicon and there, you know, it's similar to Bauer Bauer and Gingrich or Kohler Baumgartner the modern lexical sources that if you've got accordance or logos something like that You can look them up yourself

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Point is they put these things up there and I was listening as he would go And look down here see what this is here

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This is this and then he'd go over here and he connected that connected that the abusive way

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That he used lexical sources No one who's had even

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Rudimentary training and how to use those sources would use them the way he was using But whenever he would make some wild insane claim

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The guy who was interviewing him even said at one point I've never read the Bible and he kept saying is that in the Bible?

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Is that in the Bible and it's gotta keep saying? Yeah. Yeah, I need to believe him Or when he when he'd make a super wild claim even the interviewer is like what?

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He says well, that's what the Greek says and all and at one point. He's talking about how Greek expands the mind like no other language and oh

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It's just as bad as all these Hebrew roots guys You know that says, you know, you'll never be able to figure it out until you take my class on Hebrew or Aramaic or Latin or for that matter who cares

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Massive massive imbalance everywhere with this guy just It absolutely horrific.

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And so at one point for example, he's trying to make a comparison a connection The stuff that he says about the arrest of Jesus, this is where I just don't even know how much

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I can say I can tell you this

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And maybe I'll find a way to address this in a appropriate fashion in the future

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But he's making the most vile blasphemous and idiotic

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Accusations against the character of the Lord Jesus and I mean absolutely vile and The argumentation is using would not survive cross -examination for three minutes

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But I don't think you could debate this guy I don't think he has the capacity I don't think he could keep within time limits.

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I don't think he could answer questions He would wander off this direction wander off that direction you'd be constantly having to stop him it would be a royal mess

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I just don't even know that he could make it a understandable presentation in 20 minutes that would be sufficient to function in a debate

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So he's making these assertions and And he's he mentions that Jesus said

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Praise the Father and says take this cup from me and Then he and I I didn't catch exactly he said a lot of Greek Normally, it was pretty clear and understandable for someone who knows

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Greek Sometimes it'd be said so quickly. I wouldn't really catch it, but He tries to make a connection

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To the cup that the woman who rides the beast has in the book of Revelation, and I'm like He goes it's the same word

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I'm like, ooh Paterion is not exactly an unusual

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Term in the Greek language. I mean cup Um, that's a

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Cup is a cup. It's it's it's not like it. No, it's the same word Yeah, it is.

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But in the real world in the world of people whose minds have not been blown through various drug uses usages

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Here here's what he says He says that he makes the claim that All of the disciples were boys young not not even not even really teenagers and that of course is just so bizarrely

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Absurd that it's you know If you've never heard it before you just sort of go. Oh Peter is probably older than Jesus.

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I mean, they're fishermen What they're married Peter has a mother -in -law.

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What what? What are you babbling about these people they don't they're not looking at the

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Bible and Going what is a consistent truthful? Understanding of all of this

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They just get to pick and choose that are they want and if it go if there's other stuff in The same book that contradicts your perspective

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Who cares, you know worry about That's what drugs allow you to do And so He's he's saying that Jesus and his boys

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Came to this park. He calls it a park the Garden of Gethsemane. He calls it park for some reason It's like four o 'clock in the morning and The reason

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Jesus is arrested is because people are objecting to Immoral activities taking place and that Jesus is under the influence of drugs and that's why he falls down and he's in pain and all the rest of stuff and again the

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The host of program who's never read the Bible Even though if you look at the topics they've had on they've had all sorts of people that more that Mormon guy was on it recently and he's had a

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Gnostic on a bunch of times and just on if it's weird heretical wild and fanciful you get hours and Hey, they contacted me.

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So I'm just simply saying They pick some interesting people

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But the guy has no idea so he's like really And of course this guy doesn't this guy asked

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Hillman how many versions the Bible are there and home is like oh at least 12 and I'm like That what

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Are you talking translations? Are you talking about the underlying Greek and Hebrew text? He hasn't a clue.

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I Got no sense whatsoever and I listen for stuff like this that he has a clue

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What the difference between The TR and the nestle and 28th is he probably has never even heard of CB GM You know and I'm talking about Hillman here and I wouldn't expect the host of the program didn't know any of that stuff at all

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And so Hillman gets away with everything. He can just whatever he is throws a few Greek words out there and everybody's like, okay

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If they just read the section From any scholarly translation whatsoever, and I I get the feeling from Hillman if it's not his translation

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It's not a scholarly translation. Seriously. That's how arrogant the man is Mark 1433 and he took with him

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Peter and James and John and began to be distressed and troubled Now if you're if you're reading everything through a drug thing his theory is

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That Jesus had taken some venom viper venom and So he's tripping out and That's what's going on.

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And he said to them. My soul is deeply grieved the point of death remain here and keep watch He went a little beyond them and fell to the ground and began to pray that if were possible the hour

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Might pass from him the knows what that knows. What is the hour might pass from him?

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And he was saying Abba father all things are possible for you remove this cup from me

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Yet not what I will but what you will so there's the cup And he makes this elaborate connection to the woman riding the beast and she has a cup in Revelation.

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What would a rational person a Person whose brain is still functioning problem

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What would a well someone who wants to seriously?

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understand Well mark 1435

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Crap, I brought Elthon micron a pipten a pete a gays Kai, Pras a

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Yucatan. Ah, I Do not on Eston par Elf a up out to a horror the hour

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Kai Elegon Abba hop a tear Panta do not a soy

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Par and then cake top pot Terry on To top up a move all booty eggo fellow

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Allah tsu So if you want to know what those words mean

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The first thing you need to do is gonna go well in The same sentence he has said to the father

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Pray if it were possible that the what? Hey Hora the hour Might pass from all things possible.

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You remove this cup from me. So our and cup are being used Interchangeably, and so you're gonna start by asking the question

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What does our and cup refer to? It's not difficult to figure out if you'll allow mark to be mark

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If you'll actually be if you actually want to know what was being said and If you don't import a massive assumption that everything written in the ancient world including written by monotheistic

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Jews in Israel is Connected to the

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Greek cults and their use of drugs and sex It's not too difficult, but it's beyond this guy

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It doesn't even cross his mind Doesn't even cross his mind. So Like I said,

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I've seen bad bad bad bad bad stuff when when

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Michael Brown in 2011 wrote his book on homosexuality when he did the chapter on Homosexual exegesis and like he warned you beforehand.

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This stuff is disgusting and it is And of course we have the wild wacky world of Gail Rippling or two,

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I mean that kind of ultra silliness from the King James only movement this beats them all and It beats them all in a serious way

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Because as I said, it was oppressive to listen to um

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Remember that at the beginning he says that these people said to him waking out of sleep But he didn't even know these people they said to him

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You have a company of demons protecting you because you will bring forth the Antichrist. Now, of course, he completely redefines

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Christos Since he says as we saw in last program that The Old Testament was actually written in Greek originally and it only was written in the third century.

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There's no Moses There's no law. No prophecies. All that stuff is pure bunkum according to him then he has no way of recognizing that Christos is translating

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Moshiach and that Moshiach and what that means is what

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Christ means since he Cuts that off out of his ignorance. He doesn't know anything about that stuff.

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He doesn't think he needs to hey All I gotta do is no Greek Then he can come up with this complete redefinition of what the anointed one means

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And it really starts taking out there's some Gnostic stuff that comes into it as well Not the whole

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Gnostic worldview, but some of it sneaks in there as well at certain points and Bringing in the

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Antichrist is good because it opens eyes it opens minds and I think he has completely embraced that Demonic prophecy that he received that he talked about.

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So let me let me give you an illustration here at the end I'm not gonna put the video up.

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I'm just gonna let you hear it Well, look if this is as Fair use as you can get.

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All right if they ding us on this that just tells you they're afraid of being refuted, but This is in the last minutes of the interview and sort of the interview is gone.

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So What does all this mean? What does all this mean? So, um,

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I Want you to hear this Oops and he's saying it this is what you're gonna do people don't they read a fairy tale.

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I want the real Jesus I don't want a fairy tale Jesus I want the one that was arrested with a kid and I want to know that my society has based its morality on that, dude

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Hmm Wow powerful stuff, man

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Where can people pirate your books? Yeah, you know what I think I'm just gonna well,

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I'm sorry Maybe it came after that. I Don't know.

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Um, I apologize you heard what he said there and then what he says then is

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Religions of fantasy If you really knew who Jesus was you don't want to be like him you don't want to go celebrate what he was doing and The guy's like and what would that leave us and he says?

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Absolute human freedom Absolute he what he call it

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Certain kind of human freedom Antimony and forget what term used anyways absolute human freedom and Then he actually says that's what this

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Democracy was based upon which is gives you an idea of how utterly disconnected in history. He really is

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If he thinks that the United States was based upon that kind of they didn't want a democracy they wanted a republic and There was a reason for that and it was their

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Christian Heritage and foundation that was behind that and he evidently is unaware of that rather obvious fact but what he expressed as his ultimate goal is the denigration of Jesus Christ and the exaltation of mankind to the ultimate position of authority

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That is Antichrist. That's what the Antichrist is. He's denying the

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Christ has come to flesh Jesus is no divine person. He was an evil evil vile person and Mankind is the measure of all things.

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That's Antichrist He's fulfilling the prophecy now

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I've never said this about anyone on this program to my knowledge and I did not look up the stuff to see if maybe

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I have and I just didn't know about having listened to three and a half hours of This individual blabbering on this program and Wandering all over the planet.

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I believe and I'm not recommending that you watch it. I told you it is Oppressive It is spiritually oppressive and I believe it's spiritually oppressive because I believe

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Ammon Hillman is demonized I see no other explanation.

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I believe he has opened himself through his love of pharmacology

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Drugs and the idea. This is the way to open your mind to other realities.

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I Believe he's opened himself To the demonic realm and he is demonized

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If you want to see a demonized man because you ain't got well, but look at the gathering demoniac, you know

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He was cutting himself in it. That's true That's true. But that's not the only example of demonized people that we have in the scriptures there were others that could behave in society, but they would then seek to pervert truth and promote evil and I believe

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Ammon Hillman is demonized. I truly do and The things he's teaching

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Are absolutely diabolical Absolutely diabolical

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Again, remember he was he was investigated for demon possession, so it may be more obvious than a

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Lot of people on the internet would be able to tell There's so many claims so many false claims so many lies so many abuses of truths

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That's frequently the hard thing for people to recognize is when someone takes the truth and abuses it that as the

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Lord gives me strength what I want to try to figure out how to do is to Respond to as much as I can without Rolling in the filth and the gutter that this man's views represents because it is vile it is

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Beyond vile But you can take forms of argumentation certain assertions without necessarily following them through to their conclusion and demonstrate that they are just Utterly absurd.

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Here's the thing that bothers me the most over this particular

01:04:25

Video Danny Jones has 930 ,000 subscribers and This video has been viewed 1 .4

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million times 1 .4

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million that shows a lust for unbelief a

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Lust for unbelief These are people who want a reason

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To not bow the knee to Jesus Christ and he will give you the reason if you believe him You will never ever even consider the claims of Christ.

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That's why it's demonic and One of the

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Gifts that God has given to this ministry is the ability to To refute this kind of Not just heresy not just lies not just falsehood this is diabolical insanity masquerading as scholarship not that there's any serious biblical scholars that would even

01:05:52

Think about the absurdities he says But I'm not worried about them

01:05:58

I'm worried about the 1 .4 million people that have heard this stuff and then they they don't they can't figure out what he's saying so they're just gonna repeat bits and pieces of it and You are gonna end up being the person you yeah,

01:06:12

I'm pointing at you you're gonna be the person that ends up sitting across the table from somebody at a youth gathering school

01:06:21

Whatever else might be and you're gonna start getting hit with stuff. You've never even heard of before Where is it coming from right there?

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right there So I Think it would be extremely helpful

01:06:41

If Alvin Omega ministries fulfills its calling to Do a extended series and it wouldn't be every program it would be

01:06:53

Maybe a few minutes in a program or you know, 10 minutes 15 minutes, whatever but deal with the foundations

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Because people can always come up with off -the -wall stuff But if we have the proper foundations that we can recognize

01:07:14

Where that stuff's coming from and be ready to give an answer for the hopelessness That's what we're called to do

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You say even from a demonized person well It's the demonized person that's being used

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To spread the lies to others and Like I said,

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I've just never I've never heard anything like this before never never did so Wow But I also need to lay it aside for the next 48 hours or so Because yeah, it's 48 hours till the you know, the debate will have started 47 hours ago,

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I think so Please do pray for that. Please pray that I can refocus my attention there

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That's where it needs to be. So there we go. All right, I I told you it's be a little bit heavy.

01:08:14

There was a There's a lot of heavy stuff there. Really I guess but anyway, we appreciate you listening to the program and The next time will be as I'm traveling to Fort Worth for fight laugh feast