Pastors' Panel Podcast- 10

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I'm we're going to jump into Matthew chapter 4. By the way, how are you doing? It's been a long time.

It seems like a long time How was Christmas, how are you? Everything was good as we were saying earlier.

Everything was peaceful I don't wanna

I know we don't believe in superstition, but I don't want to jinx it It's like everything was on cruise control this year

Absolutely. I'm thankful for that and like I was talking about your your podcast

I just listened to the one with the Rose brothers and Which was it which was a good podcast.

That was a good conversation And of course, I would encourage everybody else to get to go listen to that one as well. Will you talk about what happened in?

2021 their perspective on that and Politics and religion the conversation that Everybody tries to avoid but we all need

But we it's the conversation that we need to get into because we need to have the right perspective on these things

And so I'm thankful that you did that because that's helpful. That's a helpful conversation

Thank you Yeah So hopefully this is gonna be our light well,

I'm not gonna say hopefully I've enjoyed going through Matthew chapter 24.

We spent some time on eschatology, which means you in things or in times and Matthew 24 is to me central in us and a talk on eschatology

We we should be wrapping up Matthew chapter 24 tonight To begin with Just to get the context of the

The chapter We've got a look at you know, the conversation just want to review that for a second

It's a conversation conversation between Jesus and his disciples and they're asking him some questions

They say to him in in verse verse 3 tell us when these things will be

What would be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age and Jesus spends this time answering?

of course their questions and There's different perspectives on how to interpret how to understand

Matthew chapter 24 eschatology in times revelation Ezekiel Daniel all that and We we are not

We don't want to come across as having animosity toward our brothers who hold Different views we enjoy the conversation.

We won't iron to sharpen iron We most of us who have done this podcast and I'm thankful for those brothers that have been on Jonathan and Big John that that have

They're exploring Post -millennialism, they have a different perspective, but They ask questions and it gave us a time a chance to respond to those questions.

And so I'm thankful for those brothers But we are going to look at verses 36 through about Maybe 44

And and what I'm going to do brother Claude, I'm going to give you a chance to to respond

Maybe from from our perspective, but what I thought I would do first is As I read these verses,

I just want to review what most people who are watching or listening

What they would normally hear what's been most widespread through our lifetime and most recent history

The theology the eschatology that is that is most wide widespread So as we go through these verses, that's what

I'm going to do is kind of pull out What you would normally hear so and as I was looking at it,

I wanted to start earlier than 36 So probably

Probably verse 33 So here's the verses and here's what you would normally hear verse 33 says even so you too when you see these things

Recognize that he is near right at the door. So so we're looking at These things to be happening

That's what he's answering the disciples questions We're looking for his coming

The end times end of the age And we're looking for these things to happen verse 34 truly

I say to you this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

So what you would normally hear From the most widespread perspective in most recent years.

Is that the the generation? You're going to be looking at verse 34 and 33 that this generation the generation that sees these things

Is going to be the generation that does not pass away until all these things take place

So that's what you're going to hear and then verse 35 heaven and earth Will pass away, but my word shall not pass away and from from this verse and and other verses

You're going to get the the idea from this perspective that there's going to be a new heavens

God's going to create and bring a new heavens and a new earth and It's understood from this perspective that God is going to destroy the heavens and the earth that You've heard it said the first time

God destroyed the earth with a flood and of course he promised that that would not happen again, but the second time he's going to destroy it with fire and That's what you would normally hear

And that's what one of the things that we're going to be looking for Destruction of the earth and heaven and then we're going to get a new one

Verse 36 But of that day now, but that of that day now where no one knows not even the angels of heaven nor the

Son But the Father alone For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like in the days of Noah So Jesus is referencing the days of Noah to help us understand this this time period this perspective

So what are we to be looking for? Now and I keep talking about this certain perspective.

I might as well go ahead and name it. It's the pre -millennial Dispensational view that's that's the most widespread popular view in most recent years.

It's what you're going to hear from most pulpits And so when when you see these verses like in the days of Noah the things will be

Going on in this generation that sees these signs The generation that's not going to pass until all these signs have taken place

Verse 38 for as in those days which were before the flood they were eating drinking

And they were marrying and giving in marriage until that day. No one entered the ark. So what you would normally hear is that Pause and a reflection on what's going on in the world today

You would say see Jesus is referencing how they lived and how they had no concern for for religious things or they had no concern for for godly things or holiness or the things of the

Lord and You see that happening in our day. Just look around you read the newspaper.

Look at the The newscasts on TV look at everything around you it's just like in the days of Noah Everybody's eating drinking and marrying and giving in marriage and no one has any concern for the things of the

Lord And then verse 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away

So shall the coming of the Son of man be? Then there should be two men in the field

One will be taken and one will be left two women will be grinding at the meal

And one week one will be taken and one will be left so Another pause will happen here and What is taken out of this verse and and also tied together with with other passages like first Thessalonians chapter 4 you get this doctrine of the rapture and So this this verse or these verses are used as a proof text to talk about proof or proof for and what the rapture will look like the time of the rapture people and If you've read the red left -behind books or seen the left -behind movies

You kind of get that idea that picture that they're trying to paint You you have people in a plane the pilot disappears passengers disappear the plane crashes

You're going about your daily business Once taken ones left and they say that's what the rapture is going to look like One's going to be taken and one's going to be left.

Everybody's going about their daily business Eating drinking giving it bearing giving a marriage and then the rapture is going to happen and then verse 42 through 44

Therefore be on the alert for you do not know which day your Lord is coming But be sure of this that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming

He would have been on the alert Would not have allowed his house to be broken into for this reason you be you be ready

To for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think he will All right

So now to give you some time brother Well, what you're doing you're just a great job,

I'm fine just sitting here listening to you Seriously, but I mean so What you just communicated was the pre -millennial dispensational view and I Would say

I would affirm again what you said, I mean, we're not trying to speak with animosity

Because truth be told we don't have it all figured out but just to kind of just to kind of Backtrack to go kind of in reverse of what

I'm starting with the last of what you said, you know you talked about The idea of the rapture and I think a lot of times in the

In first meal in maybe even on meal circles, there is a There is a true negative connotation on the idea of the rapture so,

I mean in in particularly the terminology used of a Secret rapture.

I think that's what that's where the danger comes in the idea that this will happen and nobody will be aware of What's going on?

Would you say that it kind of an accurate little added tidbit of information that we we want to communicate here because the reason that I mentioned that is

I think I think some folks If we're not careful to articulate fully on what we talk about Would say that we don't believe that there is going to be a time when the

Lord does Physically return and we're caught up together in the meat In the air like the scripture said and we we probably believe that because that's what the scriptures teach, correct?

Oh, yeah, absolutely And and that was one of the things when I was having side conversations with with Pastor Jonathan that he wanted to ask me

Do you believe in the second coming do you believe or do you believe that it's already happened?

You know from from your post -millennial perspective, you know, what are you trying to tell me? And of course,

I'm I'm ad -libbing. I'm kind of putting words in his mouth But that was the gist of this question and I said no no, no, you know, we believe in the second coming

We we believe of you know being caught up with him in the air just like it says in first Thessalonians But and that's a good distinction that you made that you know, when you talk about a secret rapture

I would I would only say to that from my experience When I've heard and listened to teaching or preaching on Of course none of this terminology none of this terminology is ever used and that that I don't know if that's good or bad

But the pre -millennial dispensation is never used is it it's just the doctrines taught

No, and when it was taught it was never called a Secret rapture.

It was always called just the rapture Now it was it was explained as a secret rapture, but because of the verses that we just read you know, we don't we don't know the day or the hour and so we kind of I Don't I don't know if they if the dispensationalist the premium dispensationalist call it a secret rapture

I'm unsure of that. I've just never heard it called that by them I've always heard of folks like us who are in a different camp

Label it that so that we can help ourselves make a distinction. Does that sound right?

Yes I agree 100 % and that's where and that's where I really I was heading, you know, because it's not it's not taught that but as as it is any time that there are multiple angles on a on an idea, you know, we're a

And it's truly secondary the secondary Issue, right and there are multiple angles, you know, we tend to some at times caricature, you know make a cartoon or the ideas of our

Opponents but you know Differing viewpoints. We tend to carry a caricature eyes those and make them cartoons or whatever make them worse than what they are when

That's just that's something that I've thought about particularly, you know for the past year to two years

Primarily, you know, it's just one of those things that I have to always go back to and say hold on But you know for myself for my own understanding.

Let's make this distinction. Let's understand that But you know as far as the post -millennial view,

I mean I was I've looked up. I was I was reading Matthew Henry's commentary

I was reading John Gill's commentary on this just this section here and I was looking at Calvin's commentary and What what

I wanted to communicate was I mean just in those three I mean these are are solidly with all solidly reformed

Theologians Gil Calvin Henry, I mean there there are others but you know

When you start digging into commentaries and I've started reading a BH Carroll Commentary which really wasn't on the text, but man, he was preaching fire in this commentary

I mean, I was I was rejoicing and it was about the gospel, you know, but anyway, that's it. I'm sorry

I'm getting sidetracked there, but If you want to elaborate or do anything else

I'd like to read a little bit of Calvin's commentary when you're ready for me to do that just just to point to the fact that even historically the the idea the view in the theology on this passage of Scripture is in relation to the present destruction of Jerusalem Which is the post -mortem view, partial preterist.

I think I think I only want to say two things before you jump into that and just just commenting on some things that you said

I've I've always appreciated thus far the the participants in the podcast that we put together here because being online even amongst what you would

We're assuming that we're all brothers in the groups that we're in, you know Trying to bounce off questions or ideas or trying to learn from each other in these different groups on Facebook But sometimes there's a harshness towards other camps towards other beliefs towards other brothers that It's probably not necessary.

And so I just wanted to say I think that was kind of the direction that you were going and so I've been appreciative of the approach and the tone of the folks that have been in the

Conversations that we've had. I think we've done well so far in showing love towards one another and showing love towards folks in other camps and we would hope that This would spur on number one the conversation about theology about eschatology

But also an example of how to have that conversation With with other people so I'm thankful for that and I hope that God will use it in that way

I think the other thing that I would say is this And it's probably why that the terminology is is avoided, you know from the pulpit or from the classroom sometimes

It's it's because it's you have to spend the time explaining it They're bigger words and you don't want to overburden people and I understand that But but we do use those words here and and we somewhat understand what they mean.

So I just wanted to quickly throw out those words and give a brief definition for for those who are catching up may not understand what we're talking about and And kind of put it in layman's terms.

So We'll kind of go back and forth here on a few of these terms The the pre -millennial dispensational

Doctrine or view is is the view of folks that that hold the rapture view who believe that There there's going to be a new heaven's a new earth coming down that The the most popular widespread view the one that you probably are most familiar with that.

We all grew up with The Of course within within that camp you've got different rapture positions, you've got a

Pre -trib rapture a mid -trib rapture. You've got a post -trib rapture and all those all those rapture positions believe that we are going to eventually go through a tribulation period a seven -year tribulation period

And they just disagree on Who's going to go through it? Who's not going to go through it? And then when when the church is going to be, you know taken out of this earth

And so that's that's the gist of the pre -millennial dispensational view Give us a layman's

Idea of what the our millennial view is You're gonna have to do that because honestly,

I'm not I'm not okay not a commit for that Well, I'm not really either it's it touches to me in my perspective from my understanding it has some leanings on both sides from the the pre -millennial dispensational view and the post -millennial view where it differs from the the pre -millennial dispensation is that all millennial believe that God Jesus is reigning

Spiritually more and that the millennial kingdom is happening now And it's figurative

But that things things are going to progressively get bad The post -millennial view which is the view that we lean towards is is the view in both all meal and pre -millennial discipline all meal and post meal

Are partial preterist preterist just meaning past and Partial just means some of the prophecies

Have already been fulfilled in the past Some of those prophecies that the pre -millennial dispensational view say is going to happen in the future

We would say that that you already happen and been fulfilled in the past But as a partial preterist we would say that there's still some to come and we just we spoke of one of those which is the second coming of our

Lord Jesus Christ and So that's a synopsis. And if you have any questions about that, you know, shoot us a comment or Email or a message and we'll be glad to try to explain to the best of our ability

But uh, but I I didn't want to continue to throw out those words and not give a definition so Do you have anything to add on that?

No, I think I think what you said there was key the difference is that the amillennial view sees the kingdom as just more or less a spiritual reign and The post mill view sees it as both spiritual and physical in the terms

The two phrases are important for us as post -millennialist

Primarily they that already you said it there are the the large largest portion of the prophecies

Have already been fulfilled and then I mean I would I Don't know if we could even argue over the fact that the only thing that's not come to pass is that Christ has come back

Yes, I mean I mean When we really come to it comes down to brass tacks and we just look at the text.

I mean if we if we say Everything's been fulfilled, but Christ returned.

I Would have to say that's a that's a good synopsis. Yeah. Yeah, and and we're still in the partial preterist camp yeah, and and The only thing that we didn't include with the post -millennial view and I'm glad you said that is

Jesus is reigning physically and spiritually And and as opposed to the amillennial view

Where the amillennialists believe that things are going to progressively can you know get worse?

That we are going to have to to live through terrible times the post -millennial view that we see in Scripture Is that things are going to progressively?

Get better and better and better. The gospel is is going to do what Jesus says permeate the whole earth and and you know

God's Word will not return void and What was

I gonna say the I hate when that happens, um

Well, my mind just went blank the the post -millennial view is is like I said is is a positive one and oh

I remember what it was now one other distinction one other accusation that that we get as post -millennialist is

There's a stream of Christianity out there. That is the new apostolic

Reformation That that crowd there. They have a lot of other labels as well but but they believe in the the three mountain mandate or some kind of mountain mandate.

Yeah, and that That we've got to do some kind of Work and performance.

We've got we have to permeate all these different areas that juice.

Do you call it the seven? We've got to permeate those seven different areas enough to where we are

Somehow Drawing Jesus down because of all the work that we did and and we can get

Confused with that camp because we believe that things are progressively going to get better, but we don't fall in there because we we don't believe that you know, we

We're not doing anything to try to invoke Jesus Kingdom to come we believe that he is already come and he reigns spiritually and physically and he's the one who's working through us to Advance that kingdom

So you see they're looking for a kingdom to come and they've got to do something to make it come and that's you know, total opposite of post -millennialism and the sad reality about that is that the that in our theology the seven mountain mandate is

I'll say I'll say a positive and a negative. It's dangerously close to The cult of Jehovah's Witnesses Right.

That's what it is It's about working and and when when we've done this then then Christ can come

And I would say to anybody who thinks that who do you think you are? The king does

Jesus does not wait for our on our beck and call

He's the king of kings in the Lord of Lords. He does what he wanted in heaven does what he wants in heaven and earth and then to the

That was the negative and then positive. I would say that For me personally, and this

I think this would be a good point of consideration for most folks who

As we all do at times in our ideas in our stance we get too big for our britches in country terms

To to consider is this It is also very dangerous for us as Post -millennialists to wander off into that and how can we as post -millennialists keep

That Separate in our minds for me how how because I don't want to I Don't even want to give a whiff of an idea that I Supports the seven mountain mandate in any shape form or fashion because I've proclaimed against it for years

We've got friends and family who have I mean, they've just been sucked into that and they've gone into that But when when you really start listening to some post -millennialist talk

It's basically the same thing is a seven mountain mandate that we got to take over the mountains of education of entertainment

Finance and whatever those other seven things are hang on. I will come up you for just a second seven.

Oops You said education? Yeah Politics Yeah education religion

Family Business Government arts and entertainment and media

I mean that that is I mean, that's the that's what the seven mountain mandate is and And I don't know if you've heard the term

I mean and again post -millennialism is referred to many times as Dominion theology.

I But again, there's that that danger of We need you know a kind of a hybrid ideology there that we as God's theologians we have to stay

Keep ourselves disciplined so that we don't mingle that in. Yeah Yeah, absolutely

Well, I hope that was helpful to everybody and if you're if you're just joining us live we're getting ready to Walk through Matthew chapter 24 and and walk through it from from our perspective from the post -millennial perspective if you want to go back and catch the

The introduction I would encourage you to go back and watch that we walk through Matthew chapter 24 from the

Widespread most popular view the the pre -millennial dispensational view that the folks that that hold to the rapture

So share with us what you want to share with us from Calvin All right, and before I do

I want to say this that what Robert is referring to those these earlier episodes of the pastors panel podcast

I mean, dude, I could just sit and watch him. It is truly.

It's the conversation between you and Dan Jonathan and Big John That's what you caught.

That's what y 'all call him, right? It's those that got me hooked on Listening to y 'all because y 'all's conversation was incredible.

That's why I wish those guys were were here but But I just wanted to say

You know commendation for you all on that Again, because we can't give them give them flowers to the dead.

Don't do them. No good. We got to give them the living So praise God for you all So Calvin said this when he says that men were giving their whole attention to eating

Drinking and marriage and the other worldly employments at the time when God destroyed the whole world by a deluge

That's what the reference that Jesus makes is right to the plunge and to Sodom by thunder these words mean

This is what Calvin said that they were fully occupied with the conveniences and enjoyments of the present life

If there had been no reason to dread any change And so we shall immediately find him commanding the disciples to guard against Surfeiting and earthly cares surfeiting.

I love it. That's that. Oh, those are those old words surfeiting and drunkenness and earthly cares

Yet in this passage, he does not directly condemn the intemperance but rather the obstinacy and stubbornness of those times in Consequence of which they despise the threatenings of God in a way do with indifference their awful destruction

He goes on to say Christ declares that the last age of the world will be in a state of stupid indifference

So that men will think not think of nothing But the present life and will extend their cares to a long period

Pursuing their ordinary course of life as if the world were always to remain in the same condition

And then he goes on to say this Concerning verse 40,

I believe it is two men Yet two men shall then be in the field Before mentioning this

Calvin said before mentioning this Luke inserts and sentences The first of which is present presented by Matthew as belonging to the destruction of Jerusalem I mean we have we have a clear articulation that by Calvin and then we have

The clear articulation of that by John Gil He says concerning verse four,

I'm sorry I'm too early there But in any case actually earlier in the chapter in reference to verse 14, then the end shall come

John Gil said not the end of the world The Ethiopic version reads it and others understand it at the end of the

Jewish state The end of the city and the temple so that the universal preaching of the gospel all over the world with the last criterion in time of the destruction of Jerusalem and the account of that itself next follows with the

Dismal circumstances which attended it. So John Gil John Calvin read

Matthew Henry again, they all are very specific about identifying the fact that The text itself is pointing to the the current generation that Jesus was speaking to Yeah, and I think that's key

Because people could be asking the question, you know called you're talking about the destruction of of the

Jerusalem in 70 AD Versus the other perspective which is we're to be looking for a imminent soon to come rapture event and then a tribulation a seven -year period tribulation that Some people are going to have to go through Where in the world are you getting this?

That Jesus is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in the temple in 70 AD And you touched on it you hit on it there at the very end from what

I think Is the key part there is that Jesus was telling them in in verses 33 and 34

You're gonna be the ones to see this verse 33 and if you're okay, we can go ahead and start walking through the the verses

Verse 33 even so you Remember he's Jesus is having a conversation

With actual real people and in front of him He says even so you too when you see all these things

Recognize that he is near right at the door Truly I say to you there's three times

Jesus says you you you to the people he's having the conversation with so which generation

Can we interpret that he's talking about the generation that he says you three times

To just right there in those two verses It was it was crazy when a gentleman

I was talking to earlier this week yesterday He was talking about how you know, God takes the scales away from your eyes and you begin to see

These things in Scripture and when he did that for me and opened my eyes to these truths it was just so amazing how they

When You begin to understand what Jesus was talking about, but he was speaking of Speaking to them this generation will not pass away until all these things take place which would include the tribulation

The the and then a culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem and the the temple itself

Is that is that kind of the direction that you were going with it? Yes, sir Got you.

Yes, sir So so here's here's one verse 35

And I've only recently heard this this interpretation but it but it makes sense and it goes along with the to me the partial preterist and the

The post -millennial view verse 35 heaven and earth will not pass away And of course we talked about earlier how you know

The other camp is looking for God to destroy the earth and heaven with with fire Lit literally and then bring forth a new heavens a new earth

But I've heard the interpretation that from the Jewish perspective They would have understood

Jesus when he says heaven and earth that he is referring to the temple itself where heaven and earth meet

And that That's what we're looking to pass away is the temple another place to where you know

You were speaking of in the commentaries that where do we get that that Jesus is speaking of the temple and Jerusalem being destroyed

Well from a Jewish perspective when Jesus says heaven and earth if he's referring to the temple where heaven and earth meet

That's where we would get that perspective. Is that a perspective that you've heard? Yeah, yeah, it's actually what

I communicate folks that perspective because I mean again, if we go back to as Chris Roseboro says, you know the key to proper biblical interpretations context context context

If we if we read what Jesus is saying to this Evil and adulterous generation, which is what he calls them and he tells of numerous times

You know this generation this generation if we if we read out

What he's saying into the future then We're doing this the text and injustice.

We are isogeting the text rather than Exegeting the text right?

We're not supposed to to read into the text. We're supposed to pull from the text What's there pull it out?

But if we if we if we assume that he's speaking the future generations then

Contextually what we're reading doesn't make sense. It becomes it becomes a scattered thought

I mean, it's it becomes, you know, just kind of like a Babbling of a madman, right?

It'd be completely coherent at one time and and then the next breath is you know, it says something off the wall

But Contextually, if we just follow the text without you know

Just going jumping in in the middle and we go from the beginning we see this we see this logical logical thought

Carried out by Christ from from beginning to end absolutely

It's it's a logical thought process. It's a consistent teaching There's no gaps or holes or loopholes or Nothing that you have to to mangle or twist or or figure out

Jesus is straightforward and it makes me I don't I don't know if there's a resource out there that Has done this or provides this information, but to me it would be interesting to read up on and know how the

How the progression of the pre -millennial dispensational view took place

And the reason I say that is because and I'm not trying to put like we spoke about earlier I'm not trying to put those who hold that perspective down There, you know, they're brothers.

We love them But but as I look at scripture and and I look at both points of view

If you look at verse 34 And It says this generation so they don't believe that The tribulation has happened.

They don't believe that and they believe that there's going to be a rapture that takes place And so the there's going to be a future generation that sees these things take place and so for that to happen

There has to be a what they call a pause in prophetic history and so Where where does that time gap come from in in the rest of Scripture?

Well that you know, they get that from Daniel, but when they go to Daniel in the 70 weeks of years

Daniel talks about the the 69 weeks and he kind of breaks it down into three parts

But when he get when he gets to the 69th week those who believe that this

There's going to be a future Event the the prophetic timetable is going to or clock is going to start ticking once we start seeing these events happen

But right now we're in a gap a prophetic gap so So where do you put that gap?

They had to find a place in Scripture to find it They go to Daniel and they insert that gap in between the the 69th and 70th week and the reason

I was talking about that resource and the progression of the premillennial dispensational thought

I'm curious at Because it's just a lot of puzzle pieces that you have to put together and try to find places where to fit so which came first the reading of Daniel and And Putting the the gap in between the 69th and 70th week or reading

Matthew chapter 24 and saying well These things haven't happened yet. This generation hasn't you know

Come upon the scene yet So did they they read

Daniel and then put it in Matthew chapter 24 with this generation or did they reach you know

Which one came first the the chicken or the egg? But that's that's just me thinking out loud and and what is curious about the the progression of the that doctrine but Simply put that that's what they had to do.

You have to find places to insert things that that aren't there like that Paul's and prophetic the prophetic timetable and the 2 ,000 plus year gap

That that's there which if you read as called was telling us if you read

Jesus Logically consistently He he makes sense here from the partial

British perspective. And so there was verse 35 and Even though heaven and earth the temple where heaven or me will pass away his words shall not pass away

And we have we all absolutely believe that Verse 36, but of that day and an hour no one knows

Not even the angels of heaven nor the Son but the Father alone called to me this begins

This begins a trend a lot of thinking or a lot of Jesus is teaching here that helps

I Think it helps us to understand Where he's going in verse 38 when he talks about Or when he begins to talk about and compare this time with it with the time of Noah Because the pre -millennial dispensational folks they want to focus on the the activities

Of what's taking place in Noah's time and in the time of this generation, you know

They were eating drinking married given a marriage They focus on those activities and make that comparison

But I think their focus is in the wrong place and I think verse 30 36 is

The beginning of a lot of thinking here that Should point us to the context of the chapter that the context of this teaching

Because verse 36 is not the only place here That Jesus reminds them or is teaching them that no one knows the day or the hour

Because if we look closely He says it in verse 36 he says it in verse 42 be on alert or you do not know the day or that when the

Lord is coming Verse 42 43 and 44 It's a reoccurring theme that no one knows.

No one knows Why were they behaving this way? Why were they eating drinking marrying given a marriage?

Is because they didn't know and they didn't care to know Yeah, I think that's the point of the passage here.

Not not the behavior But the fact that they didn't know and they didn't care to know

Correct After that and that's what Calvin said that in his commentary Actually, I didn't read that part

But Calvin said that exact thing that thing and that's the that's the that's the you're

I think you're you get the nail on the head Robert I mean The it's kind of like you know you if we try to You know give an illustration.

I mean That the house is burning down in front of you

But all of a sudden you hear a dog barking a little dog runs by you and starts barking strangely enough there are numerous

People who would whose attention would be drawn away by the little bitty bark barking dog dog

Than the huge house that's burning down in front of them. And that's exactly what they were doing.

They were they were Distracted by their own by their own fleshly desires and by their own

Conceit by their own surfeiting and drunkenness and as I use that old term there, but they were you were you're exactly right

They were confused and the issue Jesus said it because he he repeated it

You're not you're not ready. You're not aware of what's taking place. You're not aware of what's going on that term or verse 42

Watch therefore for you. Do not know what our your Lord is coming, right? And then if the master of the house had known what our the thief would come you'd have been ready

Jesus in Luke's gospel Jesus levels. I don't know if it's you know, particularly the same exact Parallel account but Luke in his gospel when

Jesus starts to level these Accusations at the at the scribes and Pharisees and calls them.

Oh evil and a wicked generation He gives them the account of the strong man.

He says in Luke 11 Luke 11 21 21 when a strong man fully armed guards his own palace his goods are in peace

But when a stronger than he comes upon him and overcomes him he takes from him all his armor in which he trusted and he divides the spoils

Everybody everybody takes which which you know is again It's kind of like an expansion of what that what the

Matthew account gives us Everybody takes that one little text about the strong man, and they completely flip it on its head

Jesus is accusing scribes and Pharisees of assuming that they are the strong man But there is one that is greater than them.

That's coming right And he warns him you said it he warns him repeatedly

You don't know when the things come. He wasn't calling himself a thief But he was putting it on the terms where they should have understood that right because the whole idea for us is a human human being

Thief to break in if the thief breaks in I'm gonna be up on the catwalk with my shotgun, right?

And I'm gonna get shot. But the problem is I don't know when the thief And that's what you just hit it on my head brother you hit it on the head but if you get to verse 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and I think you know if we're making if Jesus is making that comparison with with the flood with the the end of the age the

Winter that when are we gonna see these signs when it's gonna be the end of the age when it's gonna be the destruction of the Jerusalem in the temple which is also

It's called in other places in Scripture, you know his coming it's just coming in judgment

That's what he's meaning, but it's referred to as his coming. So we you know, we can read it both ways here they did not understand until the flood came or They did not understand until the

Lord came And then and took them away. So that leads us into how do we understand verses 40 and 41?

They did not understand until it took them all away. So shall the coming of the

Son of Man be And of course he's talking about in in judgment

So what is that going to look like as we referenced earlier? Versus 40 and 41 the the premillennial dispensational view they see or they use this text to prove the rapture that There's gonna be two men in the field one's gonna be taken in the rapture the others gonna be left behind two women at grinding at the mill one's gonna be taken in the rapture and One's gonna be left behind and according to the rapture position who were the folks that are they're taken in the rapture

It's the Christians However, if we read

Jesus in context understand what he's saying He's saying and he's comparing this to the time of Noah the son the coming of the

Son of Man is like the like Noah's day and the coming of the flood and What happened in those days?

Who was taken away? It was the wicked it was those who did not understand those who were married and given a marriage they were the ones

Taken and who were the ones left The ones who are alert the ones who were obeying

God building the ark and so shall it be in The coming of the

Son of Man Not the righteous taken out But it's going to be the wicked taken out and from history

That's what we see taking place With the as Luke tells us the army surrounding the city

If you're outside of the city don't come in Jesus warns them if you're in Judea flee

He's warning them when you see these armies surround flee if you're outside of the city don't come in these armies are eventually going to come in and destroy and the wicked are going to be taken and They were killed and some were literally taken into slavery

Yeah Yeah, I was gonna let you share whatever you were you were looking up there no, no, no,

I mean There's something that I'd read I mean you just you just stated what

Throughout church history is being communicated Yeah Henry said as to these things the war seductions and persecutions he foretold and Especially the ruin of the

Jewish nation this generation will not pass away to all these things be fulfilled verse 34 There are now alive

Or there are those now alive that shall see Jerusalem destroyed and the

Jewish Church brought to an end again Just an affirmation that and that But that that separation again, if we just read it contextually that goes right

With that the two right one one two women grinding at the mill

One will be taken the other left who've been in the field want to be taken in the other left That's I mean

I say clearly To me, it's clear. That is a It's just a clear follow through with what

Jesus has said previously right that The that there'll be a separation.

There'll be a distinction made between The righteous and the wicked the lost and the saved and and here he makes that it's and it's not an unfair

Distinction. It's a reality. The reality is that there is a distinction between the lost and the saved

And ultimately that distinction where that boils down to it doesn't it doesn't matter. It's not a matter of works

It's a matter of of Christ lovingly and Savingly redeeming some and others being left in their sin.

I wanted to share this with two with people who Hopefully will watch who may be watching and may watch later

Something I communicated with with the guys in our in our group that help us do the podcast that that my intention my goal is to Share this rich theology with our community that I know

I was lacking for so many years and It's possible that Like me you grew up hearing this one -sided idea

Where you were not even aware like I was never even aware that there were other interpretations other views and when we talk about there were two men in the field there were two women grinding at the meal and You hear us talk about something different than this is the rapture and That's the first time that you've ever heard that I Understand that I've been there

I know I know what you know how you're feeling what you're thinking.

I've been in conversation with folks who Who have been angry with me because of this interpretation

I've been in conversation with folks who have shut me off because this and blocked me because of this interpretation

So if this is the first time that you've you know heard this interpretation As Claude and I said before We haven't we do not have everything

Worked out and we would never will until glory but this is an

Understanding that we believe is clear in Scripture and all that we would ask is that you would test it with Scripture You would see if for yourself if it's consistent if it makes sense if it lines up with Scripture And that's all we're doing is we're willing to introduce to our community rich beautiful theology that glorifies

God and exalts Christ And it's and if it comes across different From from what you've always heard

We would ask that you would test it with Scripture See if what we have to say is true, and if it's not we'll be glad to Take take criticism take opinions, but in love that's our goal

So I guess our last our last four verses here which We kind of touched on Therefore be on alert

For you do not know which day Your Lord is coming but be sure of this that if the head of the house had known at what time the

The night that thief was coming he would have been on alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into For this reason you be ready to for the

Son of Man is coming at an hour When you do not think he is coming and of course From the other perspective the other sermons that you hear that is a excellent time to Point that finger at you and say

I wish we'd all been ready or you would wish you had been ready Norman somebody from Yeah, but I Loved that song.

Oh, yeah, I heard it years ago I mean, of course, I still love DC. Talk probably because I'm an old headed

Yeah, go ahead sorry, oh, yeah, you're exactly right I loved it too and love

DC talk but uh But that's where we would insert that that That pull or that plea with you to be ready because he could come at any minute

He could the rapture could happen before this broadcast is over with and that's what you would hear But Jesus was speaking again.

He's he's used his analogies He's made his comparisons and Jesus has gone back to speaking to his audience

Therefore be on alert for you do not know which day your Lord is coming and We know from other references in Scripture that John and in his in his books and also his his writings in Revelation Peter Paul I believe they all use this terminology that that they are the time is near.

It's at hand. It's soon They they use this this near terminology and he was speaking

Jesus goes back to speaking to his audience that they should be on alert and Those that were alert those that he did

Jesus's warning They were able to flee Judea and they were able to escape that destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and we

I guess the application call that we can make is that there

We don't have to look forward to Jesus warning here of the destruction of the temple of Jerusalem but the reality is there is a destruction of An eternal destruction

There is a a time when we will face our creator we will face the

Lord Jesus Christ and we will face the other parts of Scripture where we we will have either heeded his gospel or we will

Have been like these folks who were not on alert because we did not know the day or the hour and You know some folk it warns that there's gonna be some folks to say look he he's not come yet.

He's not gonna come And we we don't pay attention to the gospel We don't heed his warning, but we do not want you to be one of those people

We want you to heed his gospel Jesus came because he loves his creation

He loves this world for God so loved the world that he sent his one and only son that everyone believing in him

Will not perish but have everlasting life and we would love nothing more than for you to be one of those

And to do that, you've got to repent repent of your sin Turn from them and believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ Put your faith your total faith and trust in him and his work alone what he did on the cross

His death burial and resurrection He ascended to heaven and he sits at the right hand of God where he rules and reigns physically and spiritually all the above And we worship and serve him

Any any last words of encouragement call that you would share with everybody? No, you said it.

You said it good I'm just here to say amen I Love you,

Robert. I appreciate the work you do brother. I love you too in your work and we We want we want to say more.

Amen. We want to hear that that This time together with us has been an encouragement. We want to hear that you responded to the gospel

We want to hear your prayer request. We want to Hear what

God is doing in in our community and How we can further be a help to our community

There's any topic or anything that you would like for us to tackle or or touch on or discuss

We'd love to be able to do that. So With that being said Thank you for watching brother

Claude. Would you mind to pray for us as we close? Yes, sir Well, I want to thank you

The joy of recognizing the fact that No, you're the creator of heaven and the earth

You come to send it in lowest faith and your son to die for our sin and to know that he raised from the grave alive forevermore

Lord Thank you so much for that pact and our prayer is that the gospel having gone forth

Would do its work And we'll give you glory and praise and honor for it's in Jesus name.

I pray you man Amen Remember to go to subscribe to hear here.

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