May 16, 2018 Show with Dr. Robert Doom on “Missions & Holiness: Why Are Converts Overseas Rejecting the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace?” PLUS Dr. Erskine Dodson on “The Need for a Global Mindset in the Prayers, Support & Missionary Efforts of the Local Church”

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I'm delighted to have two first -time guests on the program today.

The first hour, we are going to have Dr. Robert Doom, missionary, evangelist, pastor, and publisher

for over 40 years and director of Revival Literature.

He is going to be addressing missions and holiness, why are converts overseas rejecting the

doctrines of sovereign grace?

And then the second hour, we're going to be having Dr. Erskine Dodson, God willing, director of global missions

at Oasis of Hope Baptist Church in Indianapolis, Indiana, and he's going to be addressing the need for a global

mindset in the prayer support and missionary efforts of the local church.

And both of these men are going to be speaking this weekend at a conference in Virginia, and we'll be telling you

more about that in a little bit.

But first of all, it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to Iron Sharpens Iron,.

Dr. Bob Doom.

Well, certainly my great privilege to interview you today.

And I just received.

An email from a listener in Illinois who said that as a comic book fan,.

He's excited that I'm interviewing Dr. Doom.

I get that frequently with young people.

They love it.

Well, it's obviously in the minds of many very appropriate for a Calvinist to have the name.

Doom.

Well, I've got a message of life.

That's right.

Amen.

Well, before we go into our discussion,.

As I typically do with first -time guests, I'd like you to give a summary of your own

testimony of salvation, the religious upbringing you had as a child, if any, and what were the providential

circumstances our sovereign Lord used in your life to draw you to himself and save you?

Well,

of

course,

and

really

began

in

that church,

but

began

really

going to

that

church.

You know, when you were giving your testimony, I immediately began to recall Charles Haddon Spurgeon's

testimony of salvation when he walked through the doors of a primitive Methodist church

in London seeking escape from a blizzard and seeking warmth and shelter.

And he heard a man who I believe was just an ordinary member of the church substituting for the pastor

who just kept repeating some scriptural verse.

And the Lord used that to open up his heart, mind,.

Eyes, and ears and saved him as a young teenager.

That's right.

It was all the ends of the earth for our God, and there is none other.

Spurgeon said he looked till his eyeballs almost fell out.

And I

thank God for it.

Amen.

Well, how did you as a Bob

Jones University student come to the.

Doctrines of Sovereign Grace?

Because at one time it was, I think, outlawed, wasn't it?

Or.

They

were

outlawed,

the

Doctrines

of

Sovereign

Grace?

Yes,

well,

and

continually.

Lorraine

Bettner?

Lorraine

Bettner.

But

at the same time, God was

breaking.

Amen.

Amen.

And.

Well, I know that there is a connection between you and the church where I am a member, Grace

Baptist Church in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, because the pastor that was

the pastor of Grace Baptist Church for the longest period of time, 40 years or more, Walt Chantry,

wrote a classic work titled, Today's Gospel, Authentic or Synthetic.

Can you tell us about your relationship to that book?

Yes.

Today's

Gospel,

Authentic

or

Synthetic.

Yeah, Today's Gospel,

Authentic or

Synthetic.

And in

that

little

book, Amen.

So

that

was

our

contact with

America.

Well,

because we offered them free copies.

Amen.

Well, you'll be

happy to know,

if you don't know this.

Already, a very dear friend of mine who's an Orthodox Presbyterian today, and has been for

many years, actually.

He is a fellow graduate of Bob Jones University, was

a non -Calvinist, perhaps even anti -Calvinist.

And the book that you just mentioned by Walt Chantry, Today's Gospel, Authentic or Synthetic, was

used of God to lead him to embrace the doctrines of sovereign grace, which he has embraced for decades and

continues to embrace.

And I'm always delighted to hear stories about that.

I know quite a number of people, and have met quite a number of people, who were students at Bob Jones University,

who have become believers in Reformed Theology, in spite of its history of being hostile

towards those teachings.

And my friend Bill Shishko, who I just mentioned, when he was asked once, how did you become a

Calvinist going to Bob Jones University?

And he said, well, Bob Jones University taught us to study the Bible, and I did.

So there you go.

That's the same testimony I have.

Whatever the Bible says is so.

Amen.

If you keep that emphasis, that's a good emphasis.

Yes, amen.

Well, tell us now about Revival Literature.

You.

Mentioned it there, about distributing Today's Gospel, Authentic or Synthetic, but tell us a.

Little bit

more

detail

about

Revival

Literature.

Yes,

Revival

Literature.

And I

think

that...

Amen.

I want to give our email address for any of you who would like to join us on the air with a question for

Dr. Bob Doom of your own.

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Please give us your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

And also, tell us something about this conference

that you're going to be speaking at this weekend.

I know that you and Pastor Joe Jakowicz and Dr. David Dickerson and

Dr. Erskine Dodson, who is our second guest today during the second hour, are all speaking at this

conference in Virginia.

If you could tell us something about this conference, especially about what you.

Specifically

will

be

speaking

on.

Yes,

not

only

have

been

on

Friday

night...

Yes,

I

have.

Had the privilege of spending some time once for several days in Indianapolis

myself and spent some time with my dear friends Dick and Karen Eisenhart, who live nearby,

and I look forward to at one point returning there.

Well, let's move into our topic for the day.

It is, at least for the first hour, missions and holiness.

Why are converts overseas rejecting the doctrines of sovereign grace?

And you had mentioned to me before the program that you are saddened

by what you have seen overseas, perhaps especially in Russia, where although

you are obviously rejoicing that people are coming to Christ and getting saved, there is some

pushback or even out -and -out rejection of the doctrines of sovereign grace

that have been also nicknamed Calvinism, Reformed theology, the doctrines of free grace, etc.

Tell us about this situation in.

Russia.

A

tremendous

congregation

and

murder.

Well,

we

have

to

go

to

our

first

station

break.

If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for Dr. Bob Doom, our email address is chrisarnsen at

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Our topic today for the first hour, as many of you already know, is

Missions and Holiness, Why Are Converts Overseas Rejecting the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace?

And we could basically include that globally, including here in the United States and

North America, because it's not only an overseas phenomenon.

If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Before I go to any of our listener questions, Dr. Dume, in my experience, now you have a lot

more years of experience as I do, I was only saved in the mid -1980s,

but in my experience, people are typically rejecting the

doctrines of sovereign grace because they are rejecting something that's a figment of their imaginations,

that isn't even historic in representing, or representing, I should say,

what we believe as those who claim to be believers in doctrines of sovereign grace.

It seems that there are a lot of people, if not the majority that I have met, the vast majority, who are

anti -Calvinist, anti -reformed, anti -doctrines of sovereign grace.

They are merely parroting what other anti -Calvinists have said before them.

You could tell very often that these men have never read

the works by the actual heroes that historically and accurately represent the doctrines of

sovereign grace.

Would you concur with what I said, that that would be the majority of the problem, or

would you disagree at all?

Well, I think,

again, I

said it's

not

only, I

think that

the

underlying

thing, even back in the 50s here, and

love the whole Bible, reject

that, and that's why

I said I'm rejecting even the use

of

the,

they don't see, some who profess,

like you mentioned, I received a BJU on evangelism,

still love to sing the hymn I sang in Preacher Boys, and so

I think sometimes they also equate non

-evangelism.

So I think that it would be

great to

see more Okuweb Grace out

preaching,

taught against

it.

Right.

Well, regardless of whether or not you approve of an attachment.

To the name of John Calvin, he has certainly been slandered and caricatured and misrepresented.

I can still vividly remember a very popular, world -renowned

evangelist that is connected with Calvary Chapel.

I can still remember hearing him on the radio station that I worked for for 15 years, saying

that there are people out there who believe that you can come to Christ, be saved, and then live like the devil for your entire life

and go to heaven.

That isn't in the Bible, John Calvin made that up.

Well, that's obviously ridiculous.

John Calvin said nothing even remotely close to that, which was reflective of the fact that the man saying this

never read a page of the Institutes or anything else Calvin wrote, never read the Puritans

obviously, and probably overlooked the fact that Charles Haddon Spurgeon, one of the great heroes of

Sovereign Grace Baptist, was indeed a full -blown five -pointer in

regard to those doctrines.

And so the issue is that

the doctrines of the false Christianity of easy believism and cheap

grace that teach that a person can live an

unrepenting life and a repentant -less life,

can live immorally without any ongoing evidence of repentance and

grief and mourning over sin and so on, without any ongoing evidence of allegiance and love for Christ,

albeit imperfect, this is not a possible belief

when you tie all the doctrines that we cherish together.

I mean, isn't this true?

I mean, especially when you look at perseverance and preservation of the.

You could

comment on that.

Yes, well, and the gal

had

some baptism.

I said,

there are

two kinds

of baptism.

Don't you

believe in,

and that's the life

of

any

man be in Christ.

Amen.

But that

would

be supernaturally most.

Amen.

And if they say, huh.

Amen.

Born from above.

Yes, sir.

Exactly right.

Born again.

And you reminded me of a.

Conversation I had many years ago, back in the 1990s with an old preacher, a

reform preacher from Mississippi.

And when he found out that I was from New York, he said with his very gravelly accent,

he said, you got it easy being in New York.

You just got to get people saved.

We got to get them lost and then get them saved.

That's exactly, he's exactly right.

No, just about everybody

we've had

there.

And so we

have a

listener

in Tuscaloosa,

Alabama,.

Ted, who says regarding the lack of enthusiasm for Calvinism in Europe,

might it have something to do with the truism that those who most vigorously proclaim the doctrines of

grace are precisely those least likely to demonstrate that grace to their

Christian brethren and to the world?

Well, I don't think that's really a truism myself because I've seen dead, cold,

hateful, mean -spirited attitudes from Christians across the spectrum

or professing Christians across the spectrum of doctrine.

I've had that treatment against me and my sovereign grace believing brethren

from Arminians and those of varying stripes of anti -Calvinism.

But if you.

Could

respond

to

that

yourself,

Dr.

Doom.

Amen.

And he

works all

things.

Get a

little

bit

more.

Detailed about the current state of Scotland.

I know that breaks the hearts of many people, even if they've never been there, who love the doctrines of grace and many of

their heroes that have edified them in writing, many of them

long gone from the earth and fellowshipping with Christ in eternity.

But their hearts are broken to learn that Scotland has declined so far from

a day when the the doctrines of sovereign grace.

Were flowing

from that

country.

If you could

tell

us about this.

Yes, again, I and

one of my

friends.

Wow.

And

what's

wrong

with

you?

Well,

she's

just had

a

second

shot with

another.

Yeah.

But again, amen.

And

Quinchin,

I see.

Well, we have to conclude our interview now because we need to go to an elongated break that Grace Life Radio

90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida requires of us.

So we have to be off the air for the first hour by the 54 minutes

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But I want to make sure our listeners have all of your information.

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Do you have any other contact information that you care to share?

Well, oh,

the email address?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yes, the email address.

Have a toll free number 800 -252.

No, not this.

It's not this time around, but I will, God willing, be at something in the future because I know that Pastor Joe Jackowitz,

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So God willing, I will see you at some point.

But if not this side of glory,.

We'll meet there in eternity. Amen.

What a what a glorious savior we have to go and see. Amen. Amen.

Well, thank you, Dr. Doom.

Thank you for the opportunity, sir.

My pleasure, brother.

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our second guest today, Dr. Erskine Dodson, Director of Global Missions at Oasis of Hope Baptist Church in

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He's going to be speaking during this final hour of the program on the need for a global mindset

in the prayer, support, and missionary efforts of the local church, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to.

Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Erskine Dodson.

Hello, Chris.

It is on your station.

Amen.

Well,.

It's a pleasure to have you on the show, and I'm looking forward to this interview and many more.

Before we go into your personal testimony of salvation, since you are a first -time guest, tell our listeners

something about Oasis of Hope Baptist Church in Indianapolis, Indiana.

And

they

have a

primary

pastors

that

come in

over.

Well, I know that your website is gettooasis .net, and that two, by the way, is the number

two, the numeral two, not the word.

Gettooasis .net, and I love the film when you click on the website of the person walking

in the sand.

It's pretty impressive there.

And tell us, if you could, about what you will be personally speaking

on at the upcoming conference on missions at.

Sovereign Grace Baptist Church in Woodbridge, Virginia.

They had given me the topic preparation for mission, and I want to

deal with...

Great, and

the theme of

the entire conference,.

The overall or umbrella theme, is Missions God's Way.

And for more information, you can go to First Love Publications, their

website, and that's firstlovepublications .org.

Scroll all the way down until you get to the middle of the screen at the very bottom that says more

information in a rectangular box.

Click on that, and you will be taken to the website that has all the details that you need for the conference

this weekend.

That's firstlovepublications .org.

Scroll all the way down to more information, and we will be repeating this, God willing, before the program is

over, because we want as many of you, especially those in the Virginia area, to attend this conference, if at all

possible.

Well now, as we promised, let's hear a summarized version of your

testimony of salvation, the kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in, if any, and what the

Lord used providentially in his sovereign plan for you to.

Lead

you

to

himself and

save

you.

Sure.

I grew up.

I was not

a Christian.

When

we got

engaged,

started reading the scriptures for my

wife, I said, neither

one of us

was

still a

fast, and

asked

God.

Praise God.

Now, I haven't established this yet.

This is the first time I've ever.

Interviewed you.

I have a hard time speaking today.

This is the first time I've ever interviewed you, but I'm assuming, although I might be wrong, that since you are

speaking at this conference at Sovereign Grace Baptist Church, that you are a fellow believer in the doctrines of

Sovereign Grace, but they might have you there for just the specific expertise you have in a certain aspect of missions.

I don't know, but are you a believer in the doctrines of Sovereign Grace?

Yes.

As a matter of fact,

the seminary

that I attend, I got

the call.

Well, praise God for

that.

I owe to the doctrines of grace.

Amen.

Well, praise God for that.

As a matter of fact, we established a church in upstate New York, and the name of the

church was Sovereign Grace Baptist Church, in the inner city of Syracuse, New York.

Oh, great.

Is it still in existence?

Still in existence.

Oh, praise God for that.

Well, the theme that we have chosen today for.

Our discussion is the need for a global mindset in the prayer support and missionary efforts of local churches.

I know that this is something that you lament over, because you think that it is an issue that is

sorely lacking in the church at large, even, dare I say,

within the African -American church at large.

If you could comment about this need for a global mindset.

Our Bible -teaching churches, it seems like missions,

they're mining hearts, and people

will

pray

for

standing

the

need

and

quiet.

You

got

this is

answer.

One

of

the

things

that

so that, I think, is a real need in being

exposed and quiet.

Amen.

Amen.

We have a listener from.

Hartsdale, New York,.

Bobby, who asks, are you familiar with the work in

Zambia of Dr. Conrad Mbewe, pastor of Kabwata Baptist Church in Lusaka,

Zambia, Africa, who Chris Arnzen has had as a guest on his show a number of times, and he has

lamented that the Word of Faith Pentecostal and charismatic movement over there in Africa

is infinitely more dangerous than what we experience here on the shores of North America.

Do you concur, and have you met and cooperated with this.

Brother on evangelistic efforts?

No, I have not.

Yeah,

and as

I

think our guest accurately.

Summarized what Dr. Mbewe has said about the experiences of,

even though the Word of Faith and the extreme forms of Pentecostalism here are bad enough,

over there they seem to have even taken on a new level of insanity and

heresy that have even combined some of the practices of the

witch doctors with just a sprinkling of Christian language onto the

practices.

Very.

Strange stuff going on there.

Yeah.

Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Yeah, yeah, good fellow,

they want to have some kind of experience, and

they want to, they believe

they're getting

a dish

that must be of God.

He says, well,

Lord, I have done many miracles in your name, this one, and I've done this in your

name.

And he says,

apart from me, I

never

knew you.

Amen.

CJ

from

Lindenhurst,

Long Island, New York,.

Asks, I hope I am not breaking away from the main topic too much, but

I was wondering what your guest's opinion might be of some of the recent hysteria

where you have those in the African -American community who are even involved in

solid reform theology going too far with accusing white brethren of racism

for reasons that don't seem to justify a slanderous caricature like

that.

It seems to be eclipsing the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Does your guest have any comments, and does he know what I am speaking about?

Well, there are a number of African -American brothers

and sisters in Christ who have taken on a mission, it

seems, to dissect the wording and the practice

of many within Christianity, especially the doctrines of grace and reform theology,

and they seem to be looking for racism under every rock and accusing

people who are innocent of this sin, because I believe that racism is indeed a damnable sin,

but it is also damnable to slander somebody for being guilty of it when they're not.

And so it seems to be a phenomenon going on lately that's becoming increasingly

uncomfortable, and it seems that these issues of race are eclipsing the

gospel, as our listener has suggested.

Isn't this, even if you're not familiar with this recent phenomenon, isn't it a very dangerous thing when

you focus on the color of people's skin to such an

extent that you are really eclipsing the message of the gospel?

And it is really

amazingly mimicking some of the rhetoric of white racists, you know what I'm saying?

Because they're elevating the topic of race to such a focal point and to

such an extreme level of importance that sometimes it seems like it's a racism of a

different flavor, if you follow.

Me.

Oh

sure.

My wife and

I,

Jim Crow,

and they

discipled

for

more preaching from the pulpit, and I began to

search to find that.

I did not find, and

finally, and

after we

joined, I began to look around and I

saw all the white faces.

Now the music was different, and the preaching style was different, but I began to ask

myself, what is the big deal with this racism?

How is it that we had to be on the back of the bus, or how is it that we could not

go to church?

My thing is,

on a one -on -one basis, we will begin to...

Yes.

I guess there's some diversity,

but

people have

the same basic needs.

And there is a concern, political

or not, even among Christians.

Right.

And I tell my wife, I say, it would be nice if we would just say,

not a black...

Why can't we say, well, a person got arrested, he was a black man.

Why can't we just say a man?

So somehow there is a pull of ethnicities in our countries, and there is a

pull.

Even if that guy is, I feel like, is prejudiced.

Let's get this...

Amen.

And

by

the way,

you

might

find this

alarming, since you seem to be unfamiliar.

With the recent phenomenon that I'm talking about.

Some of the white brethren that are being accused of racism, the

very reason that they're being accused of racism is for stating exactly what you just said.

Because some of these white brethren, like my friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, for instance,

has said that we need to be colorblind in our approach to the gospel, and that the blood of

Christ unites us, and that the color of our skins and the content of melatonin

in our skins is really immaterial and inconsequential, and that we are all

members of one race, the human race.

Now that seems to be offensive to a number of prominent African

-American preachers, teachers, authors, and conference speakers.

It's amazing to me that that's offensive to them, and they seem to be actually, perhaps unconsciously,

mimicking the white segregationist mindset, that God made us

different colors and different ethnicities because this is a fulfillment of

what will happen in the book of Revelation, where those from every tribe and tongue and people and nation are worshiping the

Lamb, and that if we remove distinction, that we are

heretical.

And that's ironic, because that is the very thing that many white racists use to perpetuate

segregation.

So it's a very baffling and.

Confusing

thing

that I'm

speaking about.

Absolutely.

That's right.

I didn't even

go through Samaria, and

even in Acts chapter 8, Peter had that

problem.

And even in Acts 10, God had to

tell us, God speak, we allow our...

Amen.

Yeah, in fact, that is exactly what I have said to some of.

My acquaintances who are perpetuating the, I believe, the lie

that a person cannot be a racist if they are black or a member of a

minority that has experienced persecution. I have brought them back to the fact that in the New Testament, the

most glaring rebuke of racism or bigotry

involves Jews being rebuked for being racist or bigoted against Gentiles,

and yet the Jews were a persecuted minority, an enslaved and horribly

treated group of people since they came from

Abraham's loins.

I mean, you know, for centuries.

Yes.

So we have to recognize that.

Man naturally has the propensity

to believe that which is contrary to God, and I think also

it's about people

faced with and addressing it.

It may be of a different cause, a different ethnicity, but they are a person,

and you must not allow a human being just

like you are.

Amen.

And we have.

To go to our final break.

It's a very brief break, and if you'd like to join us on the air before we run out of time with a question for

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Aronson.

If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the second hour with about 15 minutes to go is Dr.

Erskine Dodson, Director of Global Missions at Oasis of Hope Baptist Church in Indianapolis,

Indiana.

He is one of the speakers on the roster at the upcoming Bible conference that's being held in

Virginia at Sovereign Grace Baptist Church in Woodbridge, Virginia, which is Dale City.

And for more information on that conference, go to firstlovepublications .org.

Firstlovepublications .org.

Scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page where it says more information in a rectangular box

at the very bottom in the center.

Click that, and you will be taken to all the details that you need about this conference.

Dr. Dodson, other than the

lack of funding in the budget for world missions,

do you think that there are just too many churches that don't even care enough about foreign

missions to even try to develop a budget for that reason?

Absolutely.

What I would,

to me, in Jerusalem

and

in Judea and

ultimately many churches, you know, statistics tell us that less now than

10%, and that's right.

I would recommend, I mean, you

don't have to.

People need to be trained to effect not just

easy belief, not just easy beliefism, not just with

prayer, then you're

saved.

Right.

You can lead people into easy beliefism.

But I do believe,

and

yet so many Christians or professed Christians don't share the gospel.

And I think it should be a conscious, intentional effort

among people, whether it's on your job, intentional in

sharing a clear gospel

message.

And I think sometimes trained to effectively...

Now, if you want to have a calling program where people are going out, I think that is wonderful.

That's what happened to me in Del City after I got saved and joined the church there.

And I said, I think we

need to get back.

We

need

to know that

they

are short

-term, not

only in

your

community,

not only in your

idols in India alone.

If we're not, we share the gospel where we are in our Jerusalem.

And if we're not, if you're not going to be effectively sharing your faith here,

then you're not qualified.

You're not, you need to prove yourself where you are.

And when you prove yourself where you are, I believe that a few things,

God will expand your borders.

God will give open bank again.

How can we have a budget where we're not even sharing?

How do we have a budget when we think we need to begin?

I just got back to four of

our people and his wife and my wife.

And they were telling me, they said, Dr.

Dotson, I did not do full justice

and 20 miles on

crying out.

Would you please come back and teach us some more?

No, no literature, no seminary,

never, you know, living here in

the West, don't see where we are in our comfort

zone.

Come to our church.

It's a Bible teaching church.

Well, what about inviting them to Christ?

Because the church is really for believers.

I'm not saying unsaved people cannot attend the church.

I'm not saying you don't invite unsaved people, but I think the main thing we want to invite people to a saving knowledge and

experience.

And that's,

that's,

that's, that's a little bit

of go to the gentleman, a

regular when I

met, we need more religion,

don't we?

I don't know if that's true, but you know, God will give you an

open door and we

need

good preaching of the word.

But then we are content to go home and

cut the mindset

of global ministry, but starting in our Jerusalem.

Amen.

We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who says, although you are promoting

short term mission trips, do we not have to be very careful as not to send out our young

people on short term missions trips that are more like play vacations?

I have heard from missionaries overseas that very often these types of trips that the youth are

involved in are more of a disruption than a help to those on the mission field, and very

often are wasting valuable financial resources to send these children there when they could be used more

positively in other areas.

Do you agree with my assessment?

I do.

I think also when I like to

take, we

should be involved,

but we don't exist.

Amen.

Well, I'd like you to have now about three minutes to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners before we go

off the air today.

Pray.

The harvest is, yes, we have needs

here and people need to

heal, to appeal, unadulterated.

And Christ says, neighbors are still so few.

Pray that God will raise up from even your church.

Everybody's not called to go.

We understand that.

But there is a need.

Raise up.

You may not be able to physically go, but you can give

finances as well.

A global ministry, just air travel alone is $1 ,500 to $2 ,000, not even

including hotels.

And even when we go to, we

have to buy a couch.

So ministry takes money.

Don't like to talk about, there needs to be an understanding.

You ought to look at having a budget within your church

and you need to pray, Lord, who, you can't support everyone.

When you are supporting financially, you're saying, I'm part, I am partnering with you.

Finances is talk.

Partnership is giving financially.

And partnership is

sometimes going beyond our

comfort zone.

And how can our listeners specifically pray for you and your specific missionary

endeavors?

Power.

Probably right now about seven.

Praise it.

If financially, but also pray for, I will protect when he was writing

that as I open.

Amen.

And as you were speaking, I was watching again, the film that's on your oasis of hope Baptist church

website, where you see foot, uh, footsteps or feet walking in the sand.

And then as soon as you were talking about prayer, the, the legs in the film collapse

on their knees, uh, in obvious prayer, the very beautiful image that you have

there.

Well, I want to make sure that our listeners have all of your contact information.

Uh, first of all, don't forget about the conference that's being held this weekend on the theme

missions God's way at sovereign grace Baptist church in Woodbridge, which is

Virginia.

That ad, that website address for more information is first love publications

.org.

First love publications .org.

Scroll all the way down to the very bottom of the page where you see more information in the middle of the screen in a rectangular

box.

Click on that.

And that will take you to all the information that you need.

Uh, Dr.

Erskine Dodson is one of the speakers along with Dr. Robert doom, Dr.

David Dickerson and my friend, pastor Joe Jackowitz.

That's this weekend, uh, the 18th through the 20th of May.

And then also, uh, don't forget about the oasis of hope Baptist church website, which is get

to oasis .net.

And the two in there is actually the number, not the word get to oasis .net.

Any other contact information that you care to get that you care to share Dr.

Dodson.

I will commission in church Trinity Baptist church where I pastored.

Great.

And you can email me.

And if you didn't write that down, chrisarnsonatgmail .com chrisarnsonatgmail .gmail

.com.

And I'll make sure I get you that information.

I want to thank you for being our guest today, brother.

I want to thank everybody who listened.

I want you all to remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater savior than you

are a sinner.