October 15, 2019 Show with Dr. Tom Ascol on “By What Standard?”

Founders Ministries, Grace Baptist Church, and the Upcoming Conferences

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His name is. Dr. Tom Askell. He's an author he's a conference speaker, and he's the executive director of Founders Ministries, and he's senior pastor at Grace Baptist Church of Cape Coral, Florida. Today our main theme is going to be addressing the documentary the new documentary produced by Founders Ministries and Due to be released this December.

It's called by what standard and will also be Informing you about two conferences. Where dr. Askell will be speaking the founders conference on law and gospel in Cape Coral, Florida. And also the g3 conference on worship matters in College Park, Georgia a suburb of Atlanta.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio. Dr. Tom Askell.

Thank you so much Chris. It's always a joy to be with you on this program.

That's always a joy to have you and for the sake of our listeners. Who have not yet heard about Founders Ministries? Why don't you let them know exactly what that ministry is?

Now, thank you. Our founders ministries is a mission is committed to rounds that we're meeting in 1982. And we host cop-eyed online Academic course. Oh great. Now, how does a local congregation get involved with founders ministries?

How do they. How are they qualified to be actually a member of founders ministries? And are there different levels of involvement they can have?

Yeah, well, you agree to some basic and then we'll put you on a map. You know United States that people can find you or try something. We just started to get on the website. I know for.

For a fact since I've had many conversations with you on founders ministries over the many years that I've known you. That the reason it's called founders ministries is because all of the founders of the Southern Baptist Convention to a man were Thoroughgoing Calvinists were they not?

May of 19. And now tell our listeners something about Grace Baptist Church of Cape Coral, Florida. Grace is a church that began 1983 and I am the second pastor. I came in 1986 beginning started out of a split of churches.

These details were after I got there.

You mean an unrighteous way on on behalf of those that dismissed him or on the behalf of the pastor?

No behalf of the way those who dismissed him. It was not done righteously. I had to deal with the people that had done it. And thriving 60 down. Well, I know that there is a connection.

Between.

Myself and your wonderful congregation. The first one is that I have two very dear friends who are members there who were First very dear friends of my late wife Julie. That's Frank and Carmen Gilla Bertie.

I know that our members there and the other strong connection is that the founder of the church? Where I am currently a member Ernie Riesinger now with the Lord. He was a very long time member of your church and I believe an elder as well, right?

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Frank is currently a deacon. He's the church in Carmen as you well know I believe they give themselves mine. And he actually had retired the one that came to visit him.

Praise God and.

The Law and Gospel Conference and the G3 Conference

Now let's hear about a couple of events that are coming up.

First is.

Coming up in December a conference on law and gospel that The founders ministries is conducting at Grace Baptist Church of Cape Coral, Florida. Why don't you tell us first of all about that event?

Yes.

And I have interviewed every one of those speakers that you mentioned on your roster for that conference. And I hope to interview them all again many times more.

And.

That's December 5th through the 7th. If anybody wants more information on this conference on law and gospel at the Grace Baptist Church of Cape Coral, Florida Go to founders org and you can click on events.

That's founders org and then click events and you'll have all the information that you need now a conference that has become one of my favorites if not my very favorite of all time that I have Attended.

This will be my fourth g3 conference in Atlanta, Georgia or more specifically College Park, Georgia at the Georgia International Convention Center. I absolutely love this conference and I am so excited every year when I pack up my bags and head down south To this conference where I man an exhibitors booth for Iron Trump and Zion radio.

And I just love the time of fellowship with Josh Bice and many of the speakers who I know personally there. I love meeting new people that I've never met before many of whom Have been longtime listeners to my radio program iron truffles iron and I've never even heard from them before.

It's always exciting to meet new people and also to become Acquainted with people that I've only known By their emails with questions for my guests who I finally meet face-to-face at the g3 conference which stands for Gospel grace and glory, but I know that you're on the the the roster there among many other Phenomenal speakers and it's on the theme Worship matters if I don't know if Josh has has given you your exact theme yet.

He usually takes a while to get around to giving everybody their themes. But you have any idea other than the main topic of worship matters. Do you have any idea what you're speaking on specifically yet?

Yeah.

Looking hard to maintain the right kind of spirit and I will be repeating this later.

But the website to register or just to find out more information about this conference is g3conference .com. That's G the number three Conference calm and as I have been reminding you if you have a business or a parachurch organization or a special event or anything that you want to promote amongst a very large number of Christians.

Especially those that love the doctrines of sovereign grace. I would strongly urge you not only to register as an attendee but register for an exhibitors booth just as I have done in the Last four years.

Well, this will be the fourth year in 2020 because something extraordinary has that happened to me and my my program iron trip and Zion radio every time I Have manned an exhibitors booth there and so They have typically over 5 ,000 people attend this event and I am strongly confident That with the addition of dr. John MacArthur on to the roster.

I think they're gonna have over 6 ,000 people there. That's just my guess, but I think it's an educated. Yes. So go to g3conference .com and register not only to attend But if it applies to you register for an exhibitors booth as well and they're gonna run out of room for exhibitors booths a lot faster than they run out of room for attendance, so I would try to if you Want to register for an exhibitors booth do so very soon because as I said with the addition of John MacArthur I have a feeling they're going to run out of room very very quickly.

By What Standard? and the Catalyst for the Documentary

So now it's time to delve into the main theme today. And that is the theme of an upcoming documentary that you have been a part of Producing with founders ministries by what standard and if you could tell us about the catalyst to why this documentary Became an idea in your head and then eventually is a Work in progress that will be released.

God willing in December.

Yeah, well it came up back in February PBS released for the vibe maybe 20 -25 years ago. And that was a documentary that was done not long after Al Bowler became the president at the Southern Manistee theological seminary.

That documentary was looking at the inerrancy Parade what Dr. Mobility among professors and could not honestly say that they had signed the Documentary in February. It just dawned on me how many of the things that those that were in the more moderate to liberal camp 20 to 25 years ago They were making seem to be the same arguments that are made by some that as convention met.

An idea to be some ideas about what that would look like kind of a follow-up. Okay now 20 -25 years later. What are the issues now? Why are the issues being framed today that back then were being framed by conservatives?

But today Sunday night and now if you could why don't you?

One by one go through some of the main areas. That are things.

That that.

Surprised shocked startled you.

That were.

Items of passionate defense or renunciation by liberals. Who are now being echoed or which are now being echoed by conservative many conservatives today not all. But tell us about some of those things.

You know the main one that was so evident and the one that is clearly documentable is the role of women in church-framed white kids. I'd reckon. Now would you agree with me that some of our brethren who are.

Complementarian. Go a bit too far in the way that they defend exclusively male headship in the church. By by giving reasons that God never gives like for instance they will say things like men innately by nature are.

More.

Gifted and designed for Speaking and is specifically preaching the Word of God in public. They have abilities. Intrinsically that women don't have or at least they have superior abilities in this area, and I have to remind Men that say things like this.

That I that I do. I reject that notion. I think that the Bible's reasons are sufficient and Paul doesn't even really give a detailed answer as to why Men are to be the sole heads in the church in the household other than.

That.

It was Eve who was deceived. And we're supposed to take that just as a sufficient answer we don't need any other answer than that and it seems that That there are men that add an offense on top of this Teaching that need not be added.

Am I out of the ballpark with this or.

And one of the reasons I was saying.

What I mentioned earlier about men adding reasons on top of what the Bible says saying that Intrinsically by nature men are better equipped for these things. I think that one of the dangers of Going beyond what the scripture says is that I think that we have all met women.

Who are superior than many men in their oratory skills? I mean you might have women in a congregation or at least a single woman. Who is more highly educated than her own pastor? Who is more gifted at counseling and so on and of course as you said women should be counseling other women.

But.

Just because they have these gifts and qualities and character traits doesn't mean they have a liberty to violate the commands of the Bible.

That's right. And it's a myth under church. And we have to go to our first break right now.

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Was it his son one of his son?

Yeah, his son Rick was a deacon. Well, we are back now with our discussion on by what standard which is the upcoming documentary?

God willing to be released in December the documentary Produced by founders ministries. And one thing that I wanted to ask you before we move on to a different subcategory. Outside of the complementary and egalitarian divide.

How. What is the distinction between violating a biblical complementary in position And allowing women to speak at conferences. For instance, I have been at many reformed conferences including the g3 where the folks organizing and hosting and leading the conferences are very strong in their positions against women in leadership in the church and in the home and Yet they will have Women speak.

We've had Rosaria Butterfield as one of the speakers at the g3 conference and this January there are several women speaking. So what would be the difference? What. Why is this not a violation of a complement complementary in position?

Yeah, well in my own taking and very that many of them as an 82 is Lord. I think he is speaking there about what ought to be done when bridges. Well, no, I'm not first. And then from my from my memory that has not happened at the g3 con.

No, it's not. It is not at the port a to park like for instance. I.

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I think that they would be an excellent.

Duo.

To lead a seminar or conference on that and Yet they would not be. Exegeting the the scriptures in a preaching.

Manner.

This would just be educational. Information that would be involving something very vital and important, especially in the 21st century.

We've done that in our church.

And by the way, both of these women do believe in exclusively male headship and the church. Yeah.

So.

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Yes.

Our listeners may not have known that you were away in Texas speaking on a speaking tour. Right. All right. Well, thanks for tricking me Frank and But I'll still send you a new new American Standard Bible if you give me your your mailing address.

So thanks for participating in today's show. I'm assuming one of the Major issues being dealt with in Your upcoming documentary. By by what standard that I think you might have touched on it before In today's program, but the social justice issue This has become quite a sad and tragic Issue that has divided Brothers and sisters in Christ and sometimes in very nasty and ugly ways Where Accusations and slanders have been hurled at some for being racist and so on and It's really a troubling War that's going on it seems and the thing that makes it more troubling is that.

The.

Opponents on both sides, although I'm not saying that everybody who disagrees on this on these issues is handling it in an ugly and God dishonoring way. I'm not saying everybody is is reacting to the differences in this fashion, but it unfortunately is happening more often than we care to mention and it's not that we have Conservative biblical inheritance on one side liberal apostates Who deny the inerrancy of Scripture and many of the pillars of the Christian faith on the other?

That's the tragedy is that you have Biblical inheritance and conservatives and even Calvinists on both sides of this divide very often. I'm not saying in every case. But if you could comment on this perhaps you could even give our listeners who are not quite familiar with this circumstance.

And this divide that is taking place or has taken place. You could give them a summary of what it's all about and how I mean. I took a big guess here that it was it was in your documentary, but how would you respond to it?

Yeah, well, that's right. Years to come. Engage in dialogue of invited people. Issue. I don't know what it is now. But in the evangelical church a line in the sand. Legally sufficient and we're going to continue with that.

Social Justice, Critical Race Theory, and the Meaning of Racism

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