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2022.

And today we have the honor and privilege of interviewing for the very first time ever on

Iron sharpens iron radio Chris door president of the American Firearms Association.

And today we are going to be addressing a theme no compromise gun rights a Christians

opposition to partial liberty Regarding self -defense and defending loved ones and

neighbors.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you The iron sharpens iron radio for the very first time Chris door

very much Chris.

I like that song number one the best name in the world.

Oh, yeah.

It's actually a very hard name to live up to and Tragically I fail miserably

at it at some point every day.

Every day.

Absolutely well.

Tell our listeners something about the American Firearms Association.

Where you serve as president?

Well, so the American firearms if we're gonna fix

this country

it's gonna have to happen with the

Presidential

election

that and

it's

kind of

literal level that you know.

What we need something of this thing state -level

gun right of as a federal

ground up and said no.

Let's let's start the and that's how it was started.

Not from the top up top down.

But from the bottom up

and

so mobilizing

roots

mobilization Organization and that goes around mobilizing people

and you have

affiliates.

Affiliated organizations all over the United States.

You have the firearms coalition in North Carolina.

You have Ohio gun owners, Pennsylvania firearms Association Wisconsin

firearms coalition Wyoming gun owners and the Idaho

Second Amendment Alliance.

Washington gun rights and New Hampshire firearms coalition.

By the way is the Washington gun rights DC or the state of Washington.

That would be right

really.

Iowa gun.

Yeah

states all

across America.

Well, if anybody wants to find out more about the American Firearms Association And their affiliates go to

American firearm Association org American firearms

with an s at the end Association org and We will be repeating that god -willing

later on in the program.

As I informed you before the show I wanted to get out of the way right up front the fact that if anyone

Googles your name not even googling the American Firearms Association, but

googling your name there are a lot of scandalous attacks

On you and your brothers on the internet.

Obviously, it's a no -brainer that the internet being really dominated

by leftists and Second Amendment haters and Marxists

and so on.

It's not a shock that that would be the case.

I've learned a long time ago not to believe everything I read on the internet but some of

the Accusations that may hit closer to home that may get

our listeners on iron sharpens iron radio.

More likely to become apprehensive or skeptical or extremely concerned are

those that claim That you're making enemies with gun rights

activists and that You're actually dividing.

You're separating those who are involved in the fight to preserve the Second Amendment and

And also that you and your brothers are running a scam of some kind or scams plural.

So why don't you?

Respond to this this kind of accusation or accusations plural

that are seemingly.

Rampant

on the

internet well beyond a spectator sport if you're not actively participating

in it.

You're just going to get steamrolled.

So we're other people.

Wouldn't take pro -life issues.

For example, a lot of people, you know when they get involved in the pro -life Issue they get involved

because they want to save babies.

Well over time, you know that becomes kind of like a focus on prayer and you know I

desire for these things to change but very few people get involved at the political level and start pushing.

Legislation or something like that.

And then they there's even there's even philosophy.

Sharp Disagreements on philosophy.

Even among advocates for the unborn.

You have those that are pro -life and those that are abolitionists.

There are pro -life people that are incrementalists who believe we should be very slowly

be trying to Beginning with lessening the frequency of abortion and so on.

And then you have the abolitionists say no no no steps.

No baby steps.

No incrementalists.

Rhetoric.

We got to just wipe it out so.

So I know that there's there's all kinds of things that separate people who are passionate about.

Issues even

in the body of

Christ now,

they

certainly

have Republican majorities

and so

if

that state does

on the

books

most gun rights organizations would have you believe that oh it's the Democrats fault that

they keep introducing these gun control bills or or what have you when in Actuality

when the votes are there the reason why it's not having the job.

That they campaigned on elect at election time to do and that they have we

come along with these grassroots Mobilization instead of like me

lobbying the legislature, you know as as the lobbyist or you know

Throwing down checks or things like that.

Trying to persuade them to do the right thing.

What we do is instead we say well look we've got X number of Members in your district that

want you Senator so -and -so are you representative so -and -so to vote?

Yes on constitutional

carry

if you

don't people in their district

you as my state representative or my senator this is what I want you to do and

For years and years and years.

They were controlled by Republicans and After years and years and years nothing changed.

Well, we had to start getting more and more aggressive I think

a lot of the attack Republicans

Who will

sit there and during the legislative

promise to do during the election season?

So yeah, we're at to run

other organizations will do that and we

absolutely put pressure on Republicans to do their jobs when they have the votes

to do it because we know for dadgum sure that the Democrats will do

exactly that the moment that they have the votes and we can see that right now is what's going on with

with Roe v. Wade.

I hope that kind of answers your question Republicans second

amendment

to advance

it.

Well We expect them to be able to honor their word and when they don't well they start to hear

from people in their district and they don't like that and.

When it comes to the attacks not on your ideology your philosophy Your approach

to gun rights, but the accusations that you and your brothers are involved in scams

that you know that smells of.

People accusing you of ripping off the public.

Monetarily financially, so if you could if you get it respond.

I will I would happily address

that we fundraise Day in

and also has a request for financial contributions because number one

We don't have any pro -gun billionaires backing us like the Democrats and the gun control

groups do but number two and Probably most important is if we as organizations

don't have the resources Necessary to make sure that that are that we can

mobilize our members To legislative action or to election season action.

What happens is You know, you can go into a legislature and demand these things.

But if if you can't deliver the results if you can't turn the heat up if you can't if you don't have the list money

and people Ready to turn on to turn on that political pressure.

The word quickly gets out amongst the political class.

These people can be ignored.

I mean the gun rights organizations don't worry about them ignore them because they're just a bunch of

yapping dogs.

So what the politicians have been desperate to do and the political class that protects them has been

Trying so very hard to do and failing miserably is to accuse us of running multiple

gun rights Organizations in all these different states which have been very successful by the way.

Then say oh they're running all these because they're just trying to fundraise of course, we're trying to fundraise.

They don't want us to fundraise because they know that we use those money to come back and punish them

politically at election season or Turn up the pressure in their districts

during the legislative season.

To force them to do the things that they don't want to do which are actually the right things to do.

So yeah, it's it's it's a classic.

It's a classic example of pot calling the kettle black.

The politicians and the political class always have their hands out.

They're always trying to solicit funds.

They want to attack us to try to shut off the resources that gun owners and trust us.

Because they don't like what we do with those resources, which is as

I just explained put the pressure on to them.

So do we fundraise?

Absolutely, our only regret is that we can't fundraise more.

And We have a tradition here on iron sharpens iron radio whenever we have a first -time

guest when that guest is a Christian a predominantly interview fellow

Christians but there are rare occasions when I have a non -christian on because he's written a book or she has

written a book or for some other reason that They have information that is I

think very important for the body of Christ to hear On any realm of

issues that may not be specifically and uniquely Christian.

So that that happens once in a blue moon, but when I have a Christian on for the first time I

Ask of that Christian to give a summary of their salvation testimony and that would include the kind of

religious atmosphere in which they were raised if any and the kinds of providential Circumstances

our sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

And I'd love to hear your story.

Salvation stories to be.

I grew up in a Christian home in Northwest, Iowa.

About six miles from Minnesota border about 30 miles from the South Dakota border.

Grew up in a Christian home.

Never knew a time when I didn't have And and know my own Christian faith and the issue

in the assurance of my faith.

Grew up in a very pro -life political family.

Grew up every Tuesday morning at my local abortion clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota

the abortionist the name was Buck Williams and his wife Joni and Kind of growing up out

there in front of the abortion mill.

It kind of well kind of teaches you how to deal with

Things that a lot of Christians don't see in their lives.

And you can definitely see first got arrested when I was 10 years old

sitting down in front of abortion clinic in West, Des Moines, Iowa and kind of grew up in kind of

a politically activist family.

And I'm the second oldest of 11 kids.

And I've got eight kids of my own.

Which I'm very happy to say I see the fruits of of the faith in each of their hearts.

So far my littlest is well, she's like four months old, but she's a very sweet little

girl and she seems to Manifest the beginnings of a good Christian faith already.

So That's kind of that's kind of my story to not show I I didn't have

my parents didn't really give me the option of of Not being taught the

faith.

So it's I guess you could say I was Indoctrinated in all the great the best of

ways from a very young age.

Well, my one of my former pastors who now pastors Sovereign Grace Church

in Greenbrier, Tennessee.

He was formerly the one of the pastors at Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long Island, New York

in Merrick Where I was a member before moving to Pennsylvania, but Mark

Romaldi.

He has you beat he has nine children And his wife.

His wife is still young so There may be more and

they may even wind up forming their own religion.

Well, I use this I use this

comment recently it might have even been yesterday when I was interviewing your father -in -law Kevin Clausen but

I said.

This is a warning to anyone who even considers breaking into the door or home because there's no

doubt at least Ten people who are very familiar with the use of firearms.

Yeah, yeah, it would be.

Just look at look at what's going on in front of the Supreme Court

and stuff like that right now like the protesters.

The foolishness seems to be the order of the day.

So I wouldn't put it by somebody.

Well, let me give our listeners our email address if they have a question of their own.

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Well, first of all.

Explain more in detail.

What does no compromise gun rights exactly mean?

What is what does that entail?

If you sit down at the nicole and you just lay out very plainly.

For everybody at the table, this is exactly what I want.

Well, if that's kind of your negotiating starting point you're going to get less than

what you're actually looking for out of that kind of a scenario and and in

especially in gun politics, it seems that extremes dictate the middle

and.

So for years and years and years in the gun rights community.

Before ever before I ever got involved in it before my brothers and I ever got involved in it.

Gun rights Advocacy looks kind of like a couple of good old boys who You

know decided to get together and start chit -chatting about gun rights and and decide.

Well.

They're going to call up representative so -and -so and and it just kind of was an unorganized

approach to really advocating for for gun rights.

Well.

Along came the Clinton gun ban in 1994 and I woke everybody up a little bit out of

their stupor kind of everybody realized.

Oh my goodness, you know.

The Democrats the left these rhino Republicans.

They will come and take our guns away from us if we let them so we have to get a little bit more organized

and militant about these things, so.

So a lot of the some quite a few gun rights organizations started back then.

And kind of stumbled along for years and years and Kind of the

modus operandi of the gun rights advocacy world was to ask for very

small things.

In the hopes of getting big things eventually after 10 or 15 years I think that kind of goes back to what you

said about the pro -life.

Community yet pragmatism.

Yeah pragmatism and I'm not saying that there's never a

pitch my focus for my professional

career.

Extremes dictates the middle.

So instead of saying well, we want to be able to.

You know, we want to be able to Eliminate Gun -free

zones in some of these places.

Well instead of that We what while we absolutely want that because we've seen the

devastating effects of those policies.

We go all the way to the right.

And say, you know what?

We want constitutional carry.

We want government out of the rights regulation business.

We want full -blown stand your ground laws.

We want the the state to have to disprove a self -defense claim.

We want these big huge robust protections for gun owners.

While we can get them because we have the votes in these in these legislatures.

We want these major things.

What we've seen then.

Even if we can't get those major things what we've seen is legislatures start to pass

What we call those incremental pieces of legislation because as the general public

Responds to our mobilization efforts as you start to get tens of thousands of people across the given

state to start saying Hey, we want constitutional carry.

We want this great big huge.

You know a robust piece of legislation.

What happens is these politicians in order to try to get political cover?

So they can go into the election season and say well, yeah, I'm I support the Second Amendment I voted for this this

and this what happens is simply by making the case for these these far Robust

great big huge bills.

It starts the political class down the road of oh We actually have to do

Something for the gun rights community and so over time you see these expansions

of being able to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol.

You should absolutely not be forced to disarm if you go and eat at a restaurant that serves beer

with their steaks.

I'm not saying you should consume a beer and have a steak.

But you shouldn't if you're if you're going to go there with your family by no means should you be?

Forced to disarm as is the case in some states.

So the legislature start to pass bills that fix issues like that.

They start to pass bills That that tweaks some of the self -defense laws or and make

Prosecution have to disprove a self -defense claim.

They start to do these things instead of the conversation gradually getting further and further

to the left.

And gun rights and gun rights advocates and gun owners having to give up more and more of their freedoms.

What happens is instead the conversation actually?

Stops, which is good and then starts to drift back over to the right and

Because the gun rights community in particular these Organizations that my brothers and I run

Have taken this approach in the culture war that we're in today.

Which you can see the culture war raging when it comes to issues of abortion and gay marriage and all these different

things the one social issue That has not only been stopped from

degressing further to the left but but actually reversed course and is making

objective progress is gun, right and It's

because of that approach that I guess that's the one half of it.

The other half is our absolutely aggressive and

That's the word for aggressive election season mobilization program, you know.

That's the other half of it.

Not only are they hearing from these people during the legislative season when these when these bills are on their

Desks, but also at election time we mobilize those same people those same

voters.

In elections week we expose some of these bad politicians and then after the elections over gun owners go out and they

boot out these these anti -gun rhinos or these anti -gun Democrats and The politicians the

political class themselves.

They take a look around and say hey what happened to Joe?

What happened to Bob?

Those state reps were my friends.

They're not here.

What happened?

Oh The gun owners took them out.

Oh Really I better not I better I better pay attention that next year when

When they have their their gun bill, I better vote for that stuff.

I don't want them coming after me.

You see so kind of the marrying of those two things.

So the what happens during the legislative season and what happened during the election season together?

It's it's proven to be very effective.

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Is Chris Doerr president of the American Firearms Association and We are discussing the

theme no compromise gun rights a Christian's opposition to partial liberty regarding self -defense

and defending loved ones and neighbors.

Chris perhaps you can correct me if I'm an error here, but I have heard from

reliable sources even on this program That the whole

concept of gun control laws Did not even start in the United States

until those that were frightened of freed slaves owning

firearms began to insist that the government keep black Americans or

Prevent black Americans from owning guns.

Is that true?

Yes, and one of the things that Constantly perplexes me is

that you have black folks live in a living in urban

areas of the United States that are notoriously extremely violent where the

death rates are high and many of them are very

compliant with the leftists in government Wanting to

prohibit their ownership of guns.

It's ironic that someone could call me a racist when I believe that every black

family in the inner city should be fully armed to maximum capacity

and Someone would call me a racist for that.

That's the exact opposite of racism.

I mean, this is really madness, isn't it?

Well, I interact with large numbers a

lot of that.

One is one of the largest demographics has been

black people and I know that the members of the organizations that I work for.

That membership has it been exploding?

With with large numbers of black people there that are sick and tired of being lied to by

the left.

They see the policies that the left has been cramming down their throats for you know, several

generations now.

They see the violence.

That that that that is the outcome of the left policies and they're starting to reject it.

They're like, you know what?

We're not getting anything for our support for these people and and and and they can see

their cities burning down.

They can see the violent crime out of control.

They can see their their their innocent kids getting killed in the streets.

And and they know that those things aren't because of the the mere presence of firearms in a culture.

They know that it's the human heart that originates that evil or it was where that evil

comes from.

They know it's not the inanimate object.

Themselves and so they go out and they're like, you know what.

I'm gonna start taking action steps to defend myself and my family.

So go to any local gun store today, you know, there'll be black people in there.

They're but they're buying them by the by the droves and it's and it's great.

Yeah, praise God for that When it boils down to the essence of

this whole subject Really what you have

is not only a patently obvious Attempt for

tyrannical leftists and rhinos to Not be in

fear of their lives when they continue robbing American citizens of their freedom

and Liberty.

But they're basically saying without ever using these words The average

American citizen is not to be trusted with firearms because they're not

morally equivalent to we who are in political authority and

they're too stupid and They are just

downright unreliable and untrustworthy.

So therefore we who are in Political power we who have places of authority

in government Only we should have the right to have our lives and the lives of our families

protected with firearms particularly with bodyguards and so on.

And the rest of you are at the mercy of 9 -1 -1.

And it's ironic because one of the Biggest complaints you hear

about the police departments in the inner cities is that they take forever to respond to such

emergency calls if they ever show up and That is what they

want our only resort to be calling 9 -1 -1.

It's just utterly amazing how people don't see through this.

Well on the one hand you have

people

saying a lot of

people think he fun

to believe

one thing Americans are pretty.

And so the none of this stuff is pat on.

What we preach at these organizations is the fact that you know The the

Constitution is and like article 1 section

4 of the Ohio Constitution or article 1 section 19 of the Pennsylvania

Constitution what the government what doesn't want you to realize is that those are not restrictions on

Individuals those are restrictions on government that gets back to my original point.

The founders were never Concerned about You know deer hunting or things like that.

They knew they had just gone through Defeating the world superpower that had gone

tyrannical.

So they codified these things as a restriction on government.

And you know the these the same government does not want you to know that as they sit there and practice

What you just said which was they want to they they don't want to trust the people.

I think it's a lot more nefarious than that though.

It's not that they don't want to trust people.

It's that they have objectively evil agendas that are that are completely antithetical

to Scripture and an Armed population can keep that evil

agenda in check a whole lot more easy Than than a population that is

simply sitting there on bended knee in prayer, you know.

So it's it's one of my big pet peeves in life is these Christian to sit there and say well

I'm gonna pray for this situation when they can actually Stop praying and go do something

take a train coming down the tracks

and was standing on the tracks.

What's the better thing for that Christian to do?

Should they pray that the train would stop or should they?

Use the common sense that God gave them and simply get off the track and let the train go by, you know, so

It's a It's Yeah, I think I think that the government has a whole lot more than

just they don't trust you in mind when they're trying to.

Remove the input individual right of self -defense.

Yeah, that would be the best case scenario when you have yeah, because there are

Christians genuine Christians who are conservative in most areas of their thinking

who are naive about this and you know, they They are worried about your

average person owning guns, perhaps especially Automatic weapons and so

on and they haven't really logically Thought this

through.

And they haven't listened to the you know, the people who are more knowledgeable about this.

But it's it's interesting I don't know I know I brought this up before on my program.

But the most radical the most radical opposition that I

Receive from Professively conservative

brothers in Christ.

Who are actually?

Nearly identical if not identical in their doctrinal

and theological perspectives.

To me The most radical opposition I get about

this issue Comes from our dear brothers on the other side of the pond

in the United Kingdom.

They have such Notoriously have such a

trust in their government and They are astonished that we

who are Americans We who are the colonists over here

Have an innate especially conservatives have an innate distrust for the government.

Perhaps you could get into that for a little bit.

In fact, why don't why don't you why don't you delve into that?

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no compromise gun rights of Christians opposition to partial liberty regarding self -defense and

defending loved ones and neighbors.

We right before the break I began mentioning Something that I do with fear and

trembling because I don't want to Unnecessarily offend any of my

brothers in Christ in the UK and in other places Where it is very common

even for a Christian to have implicit trust in their government

but here in America Those that tend to be more conservative perhaps

than your average citizen.

I think that we have innately and a very healthy distrust for government

authority and If you could tell us your own experience about that

that issue regarding the.

Trust versus healthy distrust of a government

when

it comes to

gun rights

that they're not America we are in our account our country was

birthed in this whole idea that Our legitimate government,

which was the English government at the time became illegitimate because of certain different things

and and because of that we had to fight a war for Independence from that.

I'm just I'm not telling anybody anything new here but as a result of that distrust then our

founding fathers wanted to make sure that it was They knowing what human history

and what human nature is capable of they wanted to create a system of government in which

The people ruled by consent are ruled by consent of the governed and that the people have the maximum ability

possible To protect themselves from that government's becoming tyrannical again,

the English King Henry the eighth or Henry the third King George the third.

I'm sorry.

I'm getting my tyrannical Kings mixed up.

He he instantly tried to seize the firearms and the ability for the

for the colonists to protect themselves and Our founding fathers got to see that

they got to witness that and they got to create a system of government After they successfully defeated

that attempt.

And so they enshrined these these things in the Bill of Rights and in in the state Constitutions all

across the country the majority of the states.

I think six states don't have Self -defense in their

state constitutions, I know Iowa my home state is one of those states and they're trying to fix that right now.

But you know just thinking back in in in history.

Like I like the point I said earlier Governments are the the largest killers of innocent people a lot

of people like that to bring up the example of Australia as an example.

You know a government that while they went and outlawed the right of individual firearms ownership and and

their murder rates started to decline.

Well, according to the study that they put out there anyway in our response to that is simply well

the the murder rates have declined until The government of Australia decides to turn

on its own people and start committing genocide against them.

I could if you gave me a couple of minutes I could probably come up with a list of governments that have committed genocide against their

people and that is the primary concern.

That is the primary objective that we are fighting for when we fight for gun rights.

You know, I guess we could boil this down a little bit further.

Why is.

The reason why we do what we do as state -level operators and as gun rights activists is because

It's a life issue.

Defending innocent life is a life issue much like the move to outlaw abortion is a life

issue and.

And I guess it boils down to the very fundamental reason why it's wrong to kill someone.

We really we really do believe that man because man is made in the image of God

and Attack on innocent humans on innocent people and attacked by the government a tyrannical government on its

innocent citizen population Is an attack on God himself because we're made in his

image.

So I think that's the basis of the commandment against murder that's why we fight to codify the right of self

-defense at the state and federal levels and To those people

across the pond that have intrinsic and trust in the government.

I would just say well read a little bit further back in your history.

No matter what country you live in you can probably find some examples of when your government turned on the

people.

Yeah, I Attended years ago.

This is when George W Bush was first running for president and.

I.

Went to a fundraising event for Alan Keyes who was running for president in the Reform

Party.

And when someone in the audience asked him What is your? primary

reason for being radically opposed to gun control and he

said It's very simply this one true concept

absolute power corrupts an Absolute power corrupts.

Absolutely the famous line from Lord Acton.

And The dangers that you can escalate and

multiply when you When you render an entire population of

citizens or subjects Depending upon which way you are looking at it

When you render them absolutely defenseless Helpless and harmless you could be creating

a tyranny that didn't even exist before or to the level that you are helping to create it

by basically rendering a population completely impotent.

And It's interesting how leftists when

they reflect upon history You will very rarely find a leftist

who'll be complaining about the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during

not Nazi occupied Poland.

You you'll never hear leftists complaining about the Jews who were for a while

holding back the Nazis and Because of the fact that they had firearms

And they were defending themselves.

That is all really what we're talking about is that that

the citizens of any given nation Should have the freedom to protect themselves not

only From criminals that may be rampant where they live

or any you might have criminals that Try to break into a home and cause harm even

murder in areas where there is very little or no crime.

And you still need to protect yourself, but even from a government you want to add to that.

Just go

back two years.

Look at America.

We did not have the disarming

people.

It

creates

the temptation for

tyrannical Rulers and and people involved in government to to take the power because they

can.

We've seen certainly seen that in the last two years When government governors had the chance when

these health directors had the chance to take government.

I don't know if any of them that sat on the sidelines and did not see government.

Bureaucratic government always wants to get bigger.

It certainly did in the last two years when these governors had the chance to dramatically Increase

their power over the people they took it without apology without even hesitating.

And it's my submission After having seen many of these governors and work with their administrations and

their staff and stuff up close People should be totally alarmed.

At the idea of losing your firearms on these people will go

way worse.

They will go way further than you can possibly imagine if they're given the opportunity to.

So yes, this is a life issue.

This is an innocent life issue.

And we need to fight very hard to protect it.

Otherwise We could look like a different country very quickly.

We have.

A.

BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania who has a question BB asks.

Are There any people in the United States that you believe should be legally

deprived of gun ownership.

Kidnapped or some some violent attempted murders these things.

I think those people should pay the price For their crimes.

I think we shouldn't beat around the bush.

I think execution.

After somebody has been tried and convicted by a jury of their peers I think we've removed

justice so far from the from our culture today that people just have a hard time

understanding what that would mean again, but if if a killer gets gets Executed if a rapist gets executed.

I think I think those are good and just and appropriate if somebody has committed a crime and

They've done their time for it.

They've paid their price to society the The judgment that was handed down by just judges

and rulers and things like that and juries.

If you're free to walk amongst us, I think you should be able to defend yourself

in particular non Nonviolent felons of today people who've committed

like white -collar crimes of that nature.

Those people are deprived by a federal law of firearms ownership and in many cases state law.

I don't think that's.

I don't think that's appropriate.

I think I think if you're free to walk amongst The citizenry you should be able to defend

yourself.

So there's very limited people who should be restricted from owning firearms.

Well in in our system.

Sadly more more often than we Care to

realize.

Murderers and rapists get out of prison.

How about those

folks.

Right, but many of them don't.

Yeah, well have

to give the injustice there is the primary

concern that our population be should be a concern with and and definitely I as the.

As the leader of several state -based gun rights organizations I'm certainly not going to be pushing my state

legislature the state legislature.

I'm working for or with to reform the gun laws

so that felons who were convicted of murder or You

know, whatever can have their firearms rights restored to them.

There's a lot of gun rights bills that we're going to be considering before we ever think about something

like that.

We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York who wants to know.

What kinds of weaponry do you think that your average citizen should be legally

able to?

Possess.

American tradition, you

know again.

This is one of those situations where I think I start little and then go big from there.

I think one of the reasonable restrictions is if and why.

You know, the only restrictions I can really agree with is if you

own a tank.

You should not be able to drive that tank on the city streets without having good rubber pads

on the track.

So they don't damage the public property.

Oh great.

Now.

I've got to get rubber pads for my tank.

Terrific.

And.

And You hear a lot of these Leftists

leftist politicians and pundits in the media who are

revealing very often their real serious ignorance of

All things related to firearms.

Can you give us some examples of that when they highlight certain guns and exaggerate?

The danger and all that kind of thing.

Well, yeah, you know,

you're somebody

like Jen Psaki.

She said something like, you know, we have to get rid of these fully semi -automatic

You know.

Machine guns.

Well a fully semi -automatic machine gun doesn't exist.

Or when they use the term assault weapons ban and they can't define What assault

weapons means, you know, and again?

Keeping context is always important.

These people can't define what a boy is or what a girl is.

Or they can they just don't want to.

They say they don't think earthy bodies

or something like that.

So I was out in front of two afternoons ago and You know

That was one of the arguments that people were trying out was you can't talk about the life issue because you don't have a

uterus.

And I said, what are you talking about?

I can I can be a birthing person if I choose right and they're like wait what?

Yeah, they don't realize how many times the things that they try to push backfire on them

to live up to their oh, yeah.

You see it all the time.

I didn't they

say things that the entire gun rights world that the entire gun owning

world.

No is Actually inaccurate, but that doesn't matter to them.

They're not interested in the truth.

They're not interested in the terminology.

The media certainly never holds them accountable or points out their stupidity.

You know.

It's because they're all in it together.

Their agenda is one of the destruction of firearms ownership because they have a larger

agenda that they want to implement after those firearms are taken away

and That's one of the reasons why we keep fighting very hard right now while we have the votes

to expand gun rights and To get a lot of these things codified and on the books

in these different states.

CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York asks.

Women are very often the victims of violence.

Regardless of what anyone says it is obviously they are on the average

physically weaker and more susceptible to be brutalized although

obviously there are also physically fit women Trained in the martial arts who

could very easily fend off a man.

But those are a rare exception.

Having said that are there even feminists who are turning around in any

significant numbers.

Regarding

gun ownership and

even quite frankly one of the benefits of Watching the media's reaction to these school shootings and

these mass shootings all over the country and the media's Reactionary howl and demand

for gun control as a result one of the benefits of all these things collectively is that

More and more people are forced to choose a side, you know 15 years ago.

It was commonplace in America that you just didn't have opinions on Different things.

Well when the summer of 2020 came around and you watched like Lake Street in the south side

of Minneapolis get torched you watched You know whole neighborhood go up in smoke in Columbus, Ohio.

When you saw the summer of violence and the Antifa people taking to the street that erased a lot of the

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Well when you've got people marching in streets all across America with machetes in their hands and with

torches in their hands.

Causing billions of dollars worth of personal property damage when they're shooting people when they're

tearing apart you know people's Gated communities and the protections that they had.

I think of that that famous st Louis couple those images were a powerful

motivator for people to take an honest Look at what they thought about these things

and as a result of that We have seen gun purchases

the sales records get shattered month after month after month after month and

And millions of people went out so many I think I think women I'm not

sure if it was the largest demographic versus males.

But certainly it was a more explosive growth of women purchasing

firearms than any time in American history and it's simply because the the

the effects the ramifications of the left Agenda for this

country were put on full display and people got to see what a world would look like

Under their total and complete control in America's response women's response law -abiding citizens

response was to rush to their local gun store and Purchase as many firearms as they could

get their hands on and as much Ammunition as they could get their hands on and there wasn't enough of it, but

the stock is starting to catch up now.

So that there are.

There is a growing number of women who are recognizing the

Enormous value to not only owning a gun, but learning how to use it properly.

Yes, it's a but

then believe it or not and some people don't like it when I say this but one of the great things about

Facebook and Instagram social media is that People women who

already have firearms and love them and practice with them they're able to shoot videos of

themselves doing these things and those videos have gone viral time and time and like

Time and time and time again, and so they've normalized you know what what a lot of people critique these

social media platforms for the Payload of filth that they're very well known to deliver.

One of the one of the one of the Unintended consequences of these platforms is that they normalize the ideas of these

mama bears or who who just you know.

What these are my kids.

I'm gonna protect them.

So here I am.

Here's a video of me at my local shooting range.

I'm I'm learning how to shoot my my Hellcat and I'm getting really good at and here's my target and all of a

sudden people Okay, you know what?

I guess I guess that's not such a fringe thing to do after all that person looks normal, you know, and

Yes, women have been have been going to the gun stores in droves and purchasing firearms

and we love it.

We have an anonymous listener who says I am constantly getting

into Disagreements with people in my own church here in New York City

over the issues of gun control.

I believe that people on the average who live in a Metropolitan area where guns

are scarce amongst the average citizens they have a tendency to

not have the love for the Second Amendment as many in other parts of the country where it is

such a commonplace thing to see people carrying guns.

I was wondering how you believe we should get it into the minds of those that

are in that category.

That they are on the wrong side of the issue and that the removal of

gun control laws is nothing but a benefit to the life and safety and

enjoyment of liberty of.

American citizens a lot of the gun

rights activists.

They don't live in these places.

They don't frequent these places.

They try to avoid them I'll be honest about it we try to avoid them as much as we possibly can because of

the laws in a lot of these different places, but One of the things that we're seeing right now is

a dramatic increase in violent crime in places like Philadelphia and places

like New York City and people like St. Louis and People are people

see the violence on the streets around them.

They see all these these these Prosecutors and district attorneys and stuff

that are put into these positions by Soros and I'm not making this is not some Conspiracy theory this

stuff is very well documented.

You can go and find the funding sources.

Soros is placing Prosecutors and in a lot of these big cities he's funding their campaigns to

get them in place that they're so that they stop prosecuting violent crimes stop locking these people up and

because of that the violent crime rates are skyrocketing all across America and

people in these cities are seeing this for themselves how bad it's getting and

They know that it's not Firearms themselves that are that are creating this they can see

the cultural change happening around us and

and.

So they're going in and finding these things out for themselves.

They're taking steps to move out into the suburbs and you know, I know that's not for everybody.

But we as gun rights organizations definitely target them with social media ads and and

things like that to try to get them involved.

Sadly there is there is less and less of an ability for these people to go to a local gun shop

because a lot of these Cities which are run by anti -gun leftist.

They're creating city ordinances that drive these businesses out of their cities.

So there is no local gun shop for them to go to and and and try firearms for themselves

a lot of the time the biggest inhibitor to People who live in cities like this is the

fear of the unknown.

You know most people today probably the idea of driving a car With a manual

transmission is very scary to them because they have no idea how to do it.

They've never done it before and they probably don't know anybody who has.

It's the same with gun rights once you once somebody comes along or gun.

Once somebody comes along and brings them into a gun shop for that first time.

They go through the basic safety steps.

They show them how easy it is how controllable it is how safe it is.

How fun it can be?

Well that that doubt that fear is just erased the moment the first time you get them in the door.

That's the hardest part getting them in the door the first time after that it's quite easy, but

Though the the Democrats the the people running the city councils, they're definitely making it harder for

For people who live in those situations and in those cities to Expand out and try these

things.

Simply because with their city ordinances, so it's not an easy question to answer, but I I hope I

have.

Well, we have to go to our final break right now.

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We have a question from Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania.

She wants to know.

I Have been highly recommended to read a book by John our

lot called more guns Less crime.

Do you know anything about this book and do you recommend it?

And are there any other books on this topic that you do recommend?

Debunking the myth that

in that I think one of the primary Florida was the

first on 2006 and

Standing around laws is is One issue that the left has done a very good as

a racist piece of legislation.

It's the exact opposite of that.

It removes any Consideration of

race or things like that from self -defense situations, but John lot does a really good job in

that book and That the book is actually a little bit dated now.

I would say you and I don't remember what the name of his organization is off the top of my head.

But I would say he publishes quite a few studies on a on a frequent or routine basis.

You can go to his website and get more information for that for if you're interested in the studies and stuff.

Behind the push for gun rights.

His organization is actually crime research org.

Yes.

Yeah, and if anybody wants to listen to an interview I did with John

Six years ago, I interviewed John on February 29th,

actually of 2016.

And that he was a part of the interview and the Second half of the

interview was conducted by dr. Ron Gleason Who addressed the very

same subject God and guns the Christian right and duty to protect self and family?

Well, actually the first part of the program John was dealing directly with his book more

guns less crime.

But you could go to iron sharpens iron radio .com iron sharpens iron radio .com and type

in Lott in the search engine.

That's John's last name.

John are a lot and you will find the audio link for that interview.

Political side is a book called

confrontational politics by senator HL Richardson.

You can get on you can get it off of Amazon or eBay.

You can probably get it for cheaper than 20 bucks it's on Amazon for $20, but it it really kind of gives a

30 ,000 foot view to this this model of politics that

we employ.

For these different state level and the American Firearms Association gun rights organizations.

Because the left isn't interested in truth they are not confined by the

boundaries of telling the truth, you know, they can sit there in committee meetings or When they're

offering testimony to legislatures, they can sit there and rattle off numbers that are

concocted by Think -tanks that are paid for by Bloomberg or Soros or any of these people

and they don't care Whether or not what they are saying is true.

They are there to have the media report what they say.

And so we can come back in there with a million facts.

We can you know, we've brought John Lott and people like that in To state legislatures

before to testify in legislation to provide accurate numbers and factual data To a lot of these

people but the Democrats and the left and some of the rhinos.

They just don't care about the truth.

They're they're pursuing their worldview their agenda and that's why a

lot of the times when it comes to the political side of these things we don't get down into the weeds of The

statistics and the numbers because the audience doesn't care in the first place.

It's a matter of political power either we have the people to force them to do these things or

we don't.

And and that alone is usually the determines the outcome of whether or not a bill passes or or

fails so that book confrontational politics, it kind of gives a 30 ,000 foot 30 ,000

foot view of the battle.

We've definitely perfected it from there that's kind of a good starting point, but Yeah,

it gives you a better idea of how politics especially gun politics works in in America today.

Well, I want you to have three minutes of uninterrupted time to Summarize what

you most want etched in hearts and minds of our listeners regarding the subject today Chris.

I can

say is probably what everybody is already realizing and that is we are in a culture

for the absolute it's you know, all these things tie back to

that, you know, the Their control of our schools and their indoctrination of the next

generation and a lot of these different things, you know.

And in many ways, I think the battle for gun rights is kind of a rear guard a

rear guard fight.

We're trying to defend our flank long enough to get maybe the church Firing from the

front or or to take control back of our schools.

But we're in a culture war and the day that we get disarmed as a population.

We're going to watch America transition from a first world to a third world Country

type of a banana Republic very quickly.

And it's not just on guns.

It's it's on it's on abortion.

It's on babies.

It's on it's on this transgenderism stuff.

It's what it's on what's being taught in our schools.

And if we abdicate these grounds these battlegrounds we as Christians are going to

not only just lose the fight.

But we can't really contemplate what that would look like for our kids and our grandkids and so

I just encourage I really encourage Christians all across the country

to To Get involved in

some way shape or form with organizations that aren't just preaching

platitudes and praying and singing kumbaya.

But you need to get involved with organizations that are going out there and picking Aggressive fights

on the gun issue on the life issue if they're not if they're not going all the way towards life of conception.

All the way.

Well, they're just they just they're just not fighting hard enough.

But on the life issue on the on the education side.

Defunding the left in all the different ways that they get funding from state and federal government.

Get involved in this stuff now because it's easy to do that now.

It's easy to fight for freedom right now.

You can do it simply by supporting organizations or sending emails, but learn how

to be in touch with your state representative.

Be willing to be very insistent with them on the phone a lot of the times Christians today think

that they have to be nicer than Jesus when they Speak with them on the phone.

We have We we have we have a representative government right now.

We want we and we need to take maximum advantage of that while we still have the chance and the

opportunity to peacefully Settle our differences.

So get aggressive.

Get a little bit outside of your comfort zone, this isn't 1995 anymore we live in a very

aggressive world now where the left is going to cram their entire agenda down our throats if

we don't stand up and fight back and.

And sadly, it's our kids and our grandkids.

That will pay the price for our inaction if we don't do what is necessary.

Right now, so I don't know how long I have left in my three minutes, but actually you don't.

And I want to have time to remind our listeners of The website

where you can find out more information about American Firearms Association.

It is American Firearms Association org

American Firearms Association org.

And Assuming that people can also find out about how they can invite you to speak

at their church school other organization.

Great, well, I want to thank you so much for being such a Educated guest

and for being so thoroughly knowledgeable about the subject.

I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who took the time to write.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior

Than you are a sinner.