May 5, 2022 Show with Chris Dorr on “No Compromise Gun Rights”

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Carlisle, Pennsylvania Cumberland County and Lake City, Florida. This is Chris orange in your host of iron sharpens iron radio. Wishing you all a happy Thursday on this fifth day of May 2022. And today we have the honor and privilege of interviewing for the very first time ever on Iron sharpens iron radio Chris door president of the American Firearms Association.

And today we are going to be addressing a theme no compromise gun rights a Christians opposition to partial liberty Regarding self-defense and defending loved ones and neighbors. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you The iron sharpens iron radio for the very first time Chris door very much Chris.

I like that song number one the best name in the world. Oh, yeah.

It's actually a very hard name to live up to and Tragically I fail miserably at it at some point every day.

Every day.

Absolutely well. Tell our listeners something about the American Firearms Association. Where you serve as president?

Well, so the American firearms if we're gonna fix this country it's gonna have to happen with the Presidential election that and it's kind of literal level that you know. What we need something of this thing state-level gun right of as a federal ground up and said no.

Let's let's start the and that's how it was started. Not from the top up top down. But from the bottom up and so mobilizing roots mobilization Organization and that goes around mobilizing people and you have affiliates.

Affiliated organizations all over the United States. You have the firearms coalition in North Carolina. You have Ohio gun owners, Pennsylvania firearms Association Wisconsin firearms coalition Wyoming gun owners and the Idaho Second Amendment Alliance.

Washington gun rights and New Hampshire firearms coalition. By the way is the Washington gun rights DC or the state of Washington.

That would be right really. Iowa gun. Yeah states all across America.

Well, if anybody wants to find out more about the American Firearms Association And their affiliates go to American firearm Association org American firearms with an s at the end Association org and We will be repeating that god-willing later on in the program.

As I informed you before the show I wanted to get out of the way right up front the fact that if anyone Googles your name not even googling the American Firearms Association, but googling your name there are a lot of scandalous attacks On you and your brothers on the internet.

Obviously, it's a no-brainer that the internet being really dominated by leftists and Second Amendment haters and Marxists and so on. It's not a shock that that would be the case. I've learned a long time ago not to believe everything I read on the internet but some of the Accusations that may hit closer to home that may get our listeners on iron sharpens iron radio.

More likely to become apprehensive or skeptical or extremely concerned are those that claim That you're making enemies with gun rights activists and that You're actually dividing. You're separating those who are involved in the fight to preserve the Second Amendment and And also that you and your brothers are running a scam of some kind or scams plural.

So why don't you? Respond to this this kind of accusation or accusations plural that are seemingly.

Rampant on the internet well beyond a spectator sport if you're not actively participating in it. You're just going to get steamrolled. So we're other people. Wouldn't take pro-life issues. For example, a lot of people, you know when they get involved in the pro-life Issue they get involved because they want to save babies.

Well over time, you know that becomes kind of like a focus on prayer and you know I desire for these things to change but very few people get involved at the political level and start pushing.

Legislation or something like that. And then they there's even there's even philosophy. Sharp Disagreements on philosophy. Even among advocates for the unborn. You have those that are pro-life and those that are abolitionists.

There are pro-life people that are incrementalists who believe we should be very slowly be trying to Beginning with lessening the frequency of abortion and so on. And then you have the abolitionists say no no no steps.

No baby steps. No incrementalists. Rhetoric. We got to just wipe it out so. So I know that there's there's all kinds of things that separate people who are passionate about.

Issues even in the body of Christ now, they certainly have Republican majorities and so if that state does on the books most gun rights organizations would have you believe that oh it's the Democrats fault that they keep introducing these gun control bills or or what have you when in Actuality when the votes are there the reason why it's not having the job.

That they campaigned on elect at election time to do and that they have we come along with these grassroots Mobilization instead of like me lobbying the legislature, you know as as the lobbyist or you know Throwing down checks or things like that.

Trying to persuade them to do the right thing. What we do is instead we say well look we've got X number of Members in your district that want you Senator so-and-so are you representative so-and-so to vote?

Yes on constitutional carry if you don't people in their district you as my state representative or my senator this is what I want you to do and For years and years and years. They were controlled by Republicans and After years and years and years nothing changed.

Well, we had to start getting more and more aggressive I think a lot of the attack Republicans Who will sit there and during the legislative promise to do during the election season? So yeah, we're at to run other organizations will do that and we absolutely put pressure on Republicans to do their jobs when they have the votes to do it because we know for dadgum sure that the Democrats will do exactly that the moment that they have the votes and we can see that right now is what's going on with with Roe v. Wade.

I hope that kind of answers your question Republicans second amendment to advance it. Well We expect them to be able to honor their word and when they don't well they start to hear from people in their district and they don't like that and.

When it comes to the attacks not on your ideology your philosophy Your approach to gun rights, but the accusations that you and your brothers are involved in scams that you know that smells of. People accusing you of ripping off the public.

Monetarily financially, so if you could if you get it respond.

I will I would happily address that we fundraise Day in and also has a request for financial contributions because number one We don't have any pro-gun billionaires backing us like the Democrats and the gun control groups do but number two and Probably most important is if we as organizations don't have the resources Necessary to make sure that that are that we can mobilize our members To legislative action or to election season action.

What happens is You know, you can go into a legislature and demand these things. But if if you can't deliver the results if you can't turn the heat up if you can't if you don't have the list money and people Ready to turn on to turn on that political pressure.

The word quickly gets out amongst the political class. These people can be ignored. I mean the gun rights organizations don't worry about them ignore them because they're just a bunch of yapping dogs.

So what the politicians have been desperate to do and the political class that protects them has been Trying so very hard to do and failing miserably is to accuse us of running multiple gun rights Organizations in all these different states which have been very successful by the way.

Then say oh they're running all these because they're just trying to fundraise of course, we're trying to fundraise. They don't want us to fundraise because they know that we use those money to come back and punish them politically at election season or Turn up the pressure in their districts during the legislative season.

To force them to do the things that they don't want to do which are actually the right things to do. So yeah, it's it's it's a classic. It's a classic example of pot calling the kettle black. The politicians and the political class always have their hands out.

They're always trying to solicit funds. They want to attack us to try to shut off the resources that gun owners and trust us. Because they don't like what we do with those resources, which is as I just explained put the pressure on to them.

So do we fundraise? Absolutely, our only regret is that we can't fundraise more.

And We have a tradition here on iron sharpens iron radio whenever we have a first-time guest when that guest is a Christian a predominantly interview fellow Christians but there are rare occasions when I have a non-christian on because he's written a book or she has written a book or for some other reason that They have information that is I think very important for the body of Christ to hear On any realm of issues that may not be specifically and uniquely Christian.

So that that happens once in a blue moon, but when I have a Christian on for the first time I Ask of that Christian to give a summary of their salvation testimony and that would include the kind of religious atmosphere in which they were raised if any and the kinds of providential Circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

And I'd love to hear your story.

Salvation stories to be. I grew up in a Christian home in Northwest, Iowa. About six miles from Minnesota border about 30 miles from the South Dakota border. Grew up in a Christian home. Never knew a time when I didn't have And and know my own Christian faith and the issue in the assurance of my faith.

Grew up in a very pro-life political family. Grew up every Tuesday morning at my local abortion clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota the abortionist the name was Buck Williams and his wife Joni and Kind of growing up out there in front of the abortion mill.

It kind of well kind of teaches you how to deal with Things that a lot of Christians don't see in their lives. And you can definitely see first got arrested when I was 10 years old sitting down in front of abortion clinic in West, Des Moines, Iowa and kind of grew up in kind of a politically activist family.

And I'm the second oldest of 11 kids. And I've got eight kids of my own. Which I'm very happy to say I see the fruits of of the faith in each of their hearts. So far my littlest is well, she's like four months old, but she's a very sweet little girl and she seems to Manifest the beginnings of a good Christian faith already.

So That's kind of that's kind of my story to not show I I didn't have my parents didn't really give me the option of of Not being taught the faith. So it's I guess you could say I was Indoctrinated in all the great the best of ways from a very young age.

Well, my one of my former pastors who now pastors Sovereign Grace Church in Greenbrier, Tennessee. He was formerly the one of the pastors at Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long Island, New York in Merrick Where I was a member before moving to Pennsylvania, but Mark Romaldi.

He has you beat he has nine children And his wife. His wife is still young so There may be more and they may even wind up forming their own religion. Well, I use this I use this comment recently it might have even been yesterday when I was interviewing your father-in-law Kevin Clausen but I said.

This is a warning to anyone who even considers breaking into the door or home because there's no doubt at least Ten people who are very familiar with the use of firearms.

Yeah, yeah, it would be. Just look at look at what's going on in front of the Supreme Court and stuff like that right now like the protesters. The foolishness seems to be the order of the day. So I wouldn't put it by somebody.

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No Compromise Gun Rights and the Meaning of Constitutional Carry

Well, first of all. Explain more in detail. What does no compromise gun rights exactly mean? What is what does that entail?

If you sit down at the nicole and you just lay out very plainly. For everybody at the table, this is exactly what I want. Well, if that's kind of your negotiating starting point you're going to get less than what you're actually looking for out of that kind of a scenario and and in especially in gun politics, it seems that extremes dictate the middle and.

So for years and years and years in the gun rights community. Before ever before I ever got involved in it before my brothers and I ever got involved in it. Gun rights Advocacy looks kind of like a couple of good old boys who You know decided to get together and start chit-chatting about gun rights and and decide.

Well. They're going to call up representative so-and-so and and it just kind of was an unorganized approach to really advocating for for gun rights. Well. Along came the Clinton gun ban in 1994 and I woke everybody up a little bit out of their stupor kind of everybody realized.

Oh my goodness, you know. The Democrats the left these rhino Republicans. They will come and take our guns away from us if we let them so we have to get a little bit more organized and militant about these things, so.

So a lot of the some quite a few gun rights organizations started back then. And kind of stumbled along for years and years and Kind of the modus operandi of the gun rights advocacy world was to ask for very small things.

In the hopes of getting big things eventually after 10 or 15 years I think that kind of goes back to what you said about the pro-life.

Community yet pragmatism.

Yeah pragmatism and I'm not saying that there's never a pitch my focus for my professional career. Extremes dictates the middle. So instead of saying well, we want to be able to. You know, we want to be able to Eliminate Gun-free zones in some of these places.

Well instead of that We what while we absolutely want that because we've seen the devastating effects of those policies. We go all the way to the right. And say, you know what? We want constitutional carry.

We want government out of the rights regulation business. We want full-blown stand your ground laws. We want the the state to have to disprove a self-defense claim. We want these big huge robust protections for gun owners.

While we can get them because we have the votes in these in these legislatures. We want these major things. What we've seen then. Even if we can't get those major things what we've seen is legislatures start to pass What we call those incremental pieces of legislation because as the general public Responds to our mobilization efforts as you start to get tens of thousands of people across the given state to start saying Hey, we want constitutional carry.

We want this great big huge. You know a robust piece of legislation. What happens is these politicians in order to try to get political cover? So they can go into the election season and say well, yeah, I'm I support the Second Amendment I voted for this this and this what happens is simply by making the case for these these far Robust great big huge bills.

It starts the political class down the road of oh We actually have to do Something for the gun rights community and so over time you see these expansions of being able to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol.

You should absolutely not be forced to disarm if you go and eat at a restaurant that serves beer with their steaks. I'm not saying you should consume a beer and have a steak. But you shouldn't if you're if you're going to go there with your family by no means should you be?

Forced to disarm as is the case in some states. So the legislature start to pass bills that fix issues like that. They start to pass bills That that tweaks some of the self-defense laws or and make Prosecution have to disprove a self-defense claim.

They start to do these things instead of the conversation gradually getting further and further to the left. And gun rights and gun rights advocates and gun owners having to give up more and more of their freedoms.

What happens is instead the conversation actually? Stops, which is good and then starts to drift back over to the right and Because the gun rights community in particular these Organizations that my brothers and I run Have taken this approach in the culture war that we're in today.

Which you can see the culture war raging when it comes to issues of abortion and gay marriage and all these different things the one social issue That has not only been stopped from degressing further to the left but but actually reversed course and is making objective progress is gun, right and It's because of that approach that I guess that's the one half of it.

The other half is our absolutely aggressive and That's the word for aggressive election season mobilization program, you know. That's the other half of it. Not only are they hearing from these people during the legislative season when these when these bills are on their Desks, but also at election time we mobilize those same people those same voters.

In elections week we expose some of these bad politicians and then after the elections over gun owners go out and they boot out these these anti-gun rhinos or these anti-gun Democrats and The politicians the political class themselves.

They take a look around and say hey what happened to Joe? What happened to Bob? Those state reps were my friends. They're not here. What happened? Oh The gun owners took them out. Oh Really I better not I better I better pay attention that next year when When they have their their gun bill, I better vote for that stuff.

I don't want them coming after me. You see so kind of the marrying of those two things. So the what happens during the legislative season and what happened during the election season together? It's it's proven to be very effective.

Well, we have to go to our first commercial break. If anybody would like to ask a question of Chris door the president of the American Firearms Association. Send it to Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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Gun Rights, Race, and the Right of Self-Defense

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen If you just tuned in to Iron Trumpets Iron Radio our guest for the full two hours Is Chris Doerr president of the American Firearms Association and We are discussing the theme no compromise gun rights a Christian's opposition to partial liberty regarding self-defense and defending loved ones and neighbors.

Chris perhaps you can correct me if I'm an error here, but I have heard from reliable sources even on this program That the whole concept of gun control laws Did not even start in the United States until those that were frightened of freed slaves owning firearms began to insist that the government keep black Americans or Prevent black Americans from owning guns.

Is that true? Yes, and one of the things that Constantly perplexes me is that you have black folks live in a living in urban areas of the United States that are notoriously extremely violent where the death rates are high and many of them are very compliant with the leftists in government Wanting to prohibit their ownership of guns.

It's ironic that someone could call me a racist when I believe that every black family in the inner city should be fully armed to maximum capacity and Someone would call me a racist for that. That's the exact opposite of racism.

I mean, this is really madness, isn't it?

Well, I interact with large numbers a lot of that. One is one of the largest demographics has been black people and I know that the members of the organizations that I work for. That membership has it been exploding?

With with large numbers of black people there that are sick and tired of being lied to by the left. They see the policies that the left has been cramming down their throats for you know, several generations now.

They see the violence. That that that that is the outcome of the left policies and they're starting to reject it. They're like, you know what? We're not getting anything for our support for these people and and and and they can see their cities burning down.

They can see the violent crime out of control. They can see their their their innocent kids getting killed in the streets. And and they know that those things aren't because of the the mere presence of firearms in a culture.

They know that it's the human heart that originates that evil or it was where that evil comes from. They know it's not the inanimate object. Themselves and so they go out and they're like, you know what.

I'm gonna start taking action steps to defend myself and my family. So go to any local gun store today, you know, there'll be black people in there. They're but they're buying them by the by the droves and it's and it's great.

Yeah, praise God for that When it boils down to the essence of this whole subject Really what you have is not only a patently obvious Attempt for tyrannical leftists and rhinos to Not be in fear of their lives when they continue robbing American citizens of their freedom and Liberty.

But they're basically saying without ever using these words The average American citizen is not to be trusted with firearms because they're not morally equivalent to we who are in political authority and they're too stupid and They are just downright unreliable and untrustworthy.

So therefore we who are in Political power we who have places of authority in government Only we should have the right to have our lives and the lives of our families protected with firearms particularly with bodyguards and so on.

And the rest of you are at the mercy of 9 -1 -1. And it's ironic because one of the Biggest complaints you hear about the police departments in the inner cities is that they take forever to respond to such emergency calls if they ever show up and That is what they want our only resort to be calling 9 -1 -1.

It's just utterly amazing how people don't see through this.

Well on the one hand you have people saying a lot of people think he fun to believe one thing Americans are pretty. And so the none of this stuff is pat on. What we preach at these organizations is the fact that you know The the Constitution is and like article 1 section 4 of the Ohio Constitution or article 1 section 19 of the Pennsylvania Constitution what the government what doesn't want you to realize is that those are not restrictions on Individuals those are restrictions on government that gets back to my original point.

The founders were never Concerned about You know deer hunting or things like that. They knew they had just gone through Defeating the world superpower that had gone tyrannical. So they codified these things as a restriction on government.

And you know the these the same government does not want you to know that as they sit there and practice What you just said which was they want to they they don't want to trust the people. I think it's a lot more nefarious than that though.

It's not that they don't want to trust people. It's that they have objectively evil agendas that are that are completely antithetical to Scripture and an Armed population can keep that evil agenda in check a whole lot more easy Than than a population that is simply sitting there on bended knee in prayer, you know.

So it's it's one of my big pet peeves in life is these Christian to sit there and say well I'm gonna pray for this situation when they can actually Stop praying and go do something take a train coming down the tracks and was standing on the tracks.

What's the better thing for that Christian to do? Should they pray that the train would stop or should they? Use the common sense that God gave them and simply get off the track and let the train go by, you know, so It's a It's Yeah, I think I think that the government has a whole lot more than just they don't trust you in mind when they're trying to.

Remove the input individual right of self-defense. Yeah, that would be the best case scenario when you have yeah, because there are Christians genuine Christians who are conservative in most areas of their thinking who are naive about this and you know, they They are worried about your average person owning guns, perhaps especially Automatic weapons and so on and they haven't really logically Thought this through.

And they haven't listened to the you know, the people who are more knowledgeable about this. But it's it's interesting I don't know I know I brought this up before on my program. But the most radical the most radical opposition that I Receive from Professively conservative brothers in Christ.

Who are actually? Nearly identical if not identical in their doctrinal and theological perspectives. To me The most radical opposition I get about this issue Comes from our dear brothers on the other side of the pond in the United Kingdom.

They have such Notoriously have such a trust in their government and They are astonished that we who are Americans We who are the colonists over here Have an innate especially conservatives have an innate distrust for the government.

Perhaps you could get into that for a little bit. In fact, why don't why don't you why don't you delve into that? When we come back from our midway break because we are entering into our midway break and I don't want to interrupt you mid-sentence, so we'll have you touch on that when we come back and Once again, if anybody wants to join us with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.