May 26, 2021 Show with Chad Epperson on “The Lie of the Sacred vs. Secular Life”

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And I'm thrilled to have as a first-time guest today, Chad Epperson, a successful Christian business owner who is CEO at United Treating and Distribution. He is the director of Philemon Fellowship for Anchored in Truth Ministries, and a member of the board of directors for the Attention Homes of Northwest Alabama.

Today, we are going to be addressing the theme, The Lie of Sacred vs. Secular Life. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Chad Epperson.

Excited to be here, brother.

I'm excited to have you on the program. And why don't you let our listeners know something, first of all, about United Treating and Distribution.

Yes, sir. We just came through here, 70 team members here in between. And we are a business of business. We manufacture pressure-treated lumber, what you would use outside. We manufacture maybe utilities.

We ship about 20.

And if anybody wants more information about United Treating and Distribution, go to unitedtreating .com, unitedtreating .com. Now, let us hear something about Anchored in Truth Ministries, and even more specifically, about the Philemon Fellowship.

That is a ministry within Anchored in Truth.

Yes, sir, Anchored in Truth. Me being the director of Philemon Fellowship is new. We're just getting established. Our rheology and training is well coming out. We also do church plants, similar thing.

There's a gather up, a bridge that can die.

So if anybody wants to find out more about Anchored in Truth, go to anchoredintruth .org, anchoredintruth .org. And we will be airing throughout this broadcast commercials in every break for Anchored in Truth.

And you'll hear more about them in those ads. And last but not least, tell us about Attention Homes of Northwest Alabama.

Yes, sir. That's dear to my heart. I was in that home myself for many years now. I've been on the board as an adult. They were established in 1960. You can imagine 10 to 18 disadvantaged, approximately about 100 children per year.

I was in, I was there for that kind of thing. So I've just been home, not detention, just trying to bring you down.

And where in the United States are most of these children from?

There, there's three counties. It's Northwest Alabama we serve.

Well, you actually, the way you describe that ministry sounds nearly identical to a ministry that is near and dear to my own heart, the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch in Riverhead, Long Island, New York, where I have been supporting that ministry for quite a number of years, going back to the late 80s, early 90s.

And the co-founder of that wonderful ministry, Fern Hill, just went home to be with the Lord last week at 86 years of age. Dear sweet lady, survived by her husband, Jerry, and several adult children.

But quite a providence that you have a ministry that seems nearly identical to the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch. And by the way, if anybody wants to find out more of that, about that ministry serving New York, timothyhill .org, timothyhill .org.

Now you are a C -12 group ambassador, and in 2019, you won the C -12 Hero Award. What is the C -12 group?

It is providing a value to the global market, but also in the ministry. And it's a national, even international. There's tools in it, and then about another, the same material, better implement those things.

And I've been a member for, paid to be a member of that. I go all day, once a month. I spend time with about, it's not for the business owner, especially to be around Christians. Anything to gain, hold you accountable.

And that website is c12group .com. C and the numbers one, two, group .com. And I believe I failed to give our listeners the Attention Homes of Northwest Alabama website. That is attentionhomesofnwal, an abbreviation for NorthwestAlabama .org.

Attentionhomesofnwal .org. Well, if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own regarding our theme today, the lie of sacred versus secular life, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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And we have a tradition here. Before we go into that theme, the lie of sacred versus secular life, Chad, we have a tradition here on Iron Triple Zion Radio. Whenever we air a first-time guest, we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony, including what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to Himself and saved them.

So let's hear your story.

Thank you, Chris. I appreciate the opportunity. I grew up single. My mom and dad got divorced a year and a half. Man, that's when I moved to Louisville. Stepdads, missionary Baptist, obviously joking there, but, you know, the influence was around.

But we'd always move back. You know, I'd made a profession of faith at a young age, but it wasn't genuine. And when I got married, I was in the Army. Cleaned up my life. I found my boss. Getting in the lumber business, selling lumber.

My dad worked at a lumber company I didn't work with. He helped me get an interview, and I got it. To me, that was success. I'd achieved those things. And we would have been at a church every once in a while when we'd come visit me for visitation, because I visited one time and give them my name and address.

And they would come visit me. And it's Monday night. It's called Friend Day. And the young sons, what would have been their teachers, and then my wife. Back then, you had this card you filled out, and you signed it saying, I said, I'm not going.

My wife says, honey, I'm not feeling good. You know, I have promised these ladies I signed this card that we would take that I would. Anyway, she finally convinced me. Then she says, oh, you've got to take them to Sunday school,.

Too.

And I said, wait a minute. You know, you only take them to church, and then you only take them to Sunday class. And I always thought Friend Day portrayed that. That's the way I, I've never even thought if I'm going to blow it some.

I'm going to can't. It's ready that day. And I give my life to Christ. May of 1995 was this month.

And I always look back.

Halloween. Always love hearing.

I was lost, and now I've been found.

I always love hearing how our sovereign Lord rescues people from the world, the flesh, the devil, and themselves, and rescues them even from their own alleged righteousness. And so the theme that we have today is the lie of sacred versus secular life.

There are people that actually profess to be Christians that take that dichotomy to an extreme and actually live like they are two different people. There are people who save their Christian behavior for Sundays or whatever days during the week.

They also may gather with the saints. And then the rest of their lives and perhaps even their businesses, they are running them like the devil is in total control. And that obviously is a sign that somebody is not even really regenerate.

But what did you mean specifically about the lie of sacred versus secular life?

The Christian's Whole Life as Ministry

Yeah, and faith is something in your secular mundane job, you know, you don't talk about religion and the Christian, it's talking about, you know, I think even good Christian lead church, then there's the world on Monday morning and do things, I'm a business intentional about wherever I am in my life, my main goal is I'm a minister of reconciliation.

I am an ambassador for Christ, the reason God saved me in dominion. And I think the church, I mean, the church is going full-time ministry to serve in everyday life. And not just as I have an opportunity, so am I in those areas of my life to make sure that I'm, you know, like in my business, for instance, Chris, I work hard at, you know, spreadsheet, KPIs and planning, being strategic and all that.

Well, that's great and wonderful, I should do that. But where am I doing those things for God's glory? Where am I, do they really love people? And do they, so that's just what I think, you know, sometimes it's, I'm in the sector from just an omission standpoint, that I'm not being intentional everywhere.

It reminded me of a story that I just told recently on this show with a different guest, but I think it bears repeating, especially because of what you just said in your description of our theme today, that it reminded me of a story that has been confirmed as an accurate story by some Lutheran pastors and scholars that I know, but Martin Luther was approached by a cobbler, and the cobbler said to Martin Luther that he believed he would better serve Christ if he uprooted his wife and children and moved to a foreign land to be missionaries.

And he asked Martin Luther what his opinion on that was, and Martin Luther said, you are a cobbler, am I correct? And the cobbler said, yes. He said, well, my advice to you is make a good shoe and sell it at a fair price.

So obviously, Martin Luther was not opposed to missionary labors, but there are people that fail to recognize the place where God has placed them in their lives and the vocation that they have can be in and of itself a ministry.

And obviously, I think it's very important, and when we come back from the first break, which we are going into any second now, we'll have you respond to my concerns that, and in fact, I'm sure that pastors deal with this situation often all over the world where members of their congregations are abusing the time at their places of work where they are not an owner of a company.

They are answerable to owners and presidents and CEOs and so on, and they are, instead of doing the job they've been hired to do, they're evangelizing or they are passing out tracts or reading the Bible when they're actually robbing the time from their own employers.

But I'll have you respond to that and when we come back from the break. If anybody, as I said before, if anybody has a question for Chad Epperson on the lie of sacred versus secular life, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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The Dignity of Vocation and the Christian's Work

Welcome back. If you just tuned in to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, our guest today is Chad Epperson, a successful Christian business owner who is CEO of United Treating and Distribution, Director of Philemon Fellowship for Anchored in Truth Ministries, and a member of the Board of Directors for the Attention Homes of Northwest Alabama.

We are discussing the lie of sacred versus secular life. Our email address, if you have a question, is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, city and state of residence, and country of residence.

And as I said before the break, Chad, there are unfortunately Christians, sometimes they're well-meaning, but sometimes it's using the cloak of Christianity, of faith, perhaps even of self-righteousness to legitimize being a slackard, a sluggard at work, not doing what you're being paid to do.

So you could go around chatting with people about Christianity or perhaps even just condemn them for their sins or false religion and pass out tracts or sitting somewhere reading the Bible or something.

That is not at all what you're talking about, is it?

Oh no, not enough. And you kind of have to read the room and end it with the story. Say, let me tell you about Jesus or love someone, and you're the one that's always late, your work is lackluster, trying to find a reason to not do your job, and we should be marked as someone.

Amen. Now, you, as the CEO of United Treating and Distribution, you are in a unique position where you're not an employee, you're not bound by the stricter guidelines that might be in place for the employees as far as how they use their time.

But nonetheless, before I go to any listener questions, if you could give us some examples and even some practical guidelines how business owners and CEOs might learn from examples that you can provide of how you run United Treating and Distribution and use this business in some fashion as a ministry.

Yeah, so the context of how my business runs, how we shouldn't just do things, excellent. Unique opportunity. Made me the way he made me. Give me the opportunity to spend most of my waking hours. Wants me to just simply work on making widgets and making money.

Make widgets, excellently. I need to make money to keep the mission alive. There's a margin and ability and all those kind of things. And treat people well. But you have a unique opportunity to actually to unleash farther.

Sure, I can't have a guy that's supposed to be loading my truck. No, he needs to do that. That's one thing. Well, I have a Bible right here, but we're trying to find something. Sure, I'm all for one. Somebody to open that Bible up and seek wisdom or biblical.

We have a chaplain. I have a chaplain that comes here once a week. And sometimes he's talking to him about Christ. Sometimes he's just talking to him about the other marriage, aging parents. So, you know, we have an opportunity to create an entire intentionality.

I have key performance indicators on our ministry. How many events do we have? How many called him at night? You know, I know how many people called him after I don't know what they call it. Communities, the way we go, Lord, you've got all your heart, mind and soul.

And take it like it is to love your neighbor as yourself. And that sounds easy. Trying to be a church. We are an extension of our church.

I mentioned something that hasn't even occurred to me before. What a wonderful idea if you are capable of doing this. Obviously, this is not an obligation of a business owner. But if a business is lucrative enough and the means are there, what a wonderful idea to either have a volunteer chaplain or a paid chaplain on the premises at your business.

Not again, so people can escape doing their job for counseling by a chaplain, but for those during a lunch break or a coffee break who might want to pop into the chaplain's office if they want to arrive at the job early before their hourly wages are earned.

They can meet with the chaplain or after work is over, etc. That's an outstanding idea that didn't even occur to me.

Yeah, ours is a paid chaplain. There's actually some of them are national. Ours is a national one. He comes once a week and they don't bring their wife with them. And that's just on their mind. Giving them a way.

He's done funerals for us, weddings for us. They didn't have a church. Their turnover is way above on people because they know we love them and care about them. And it's not just... And so that environment creates an environment where they want to be a good team member here.

Not for what they do, but it's image-bearing. So believers and unbelievers... We share the gospel every Tuesday via all of our media outlets. We pray for our customers and send them prayer cards. It creates an environment where people...

There's less time to work here. They're so much more productive and happy and they're... You're helping them solve and resource. Somebody's late. I used to be, why are you late? You're late. Let me beat them a little bit.

They still shouldn't be late. But now the question... If that wasn't a pattern, let me find out what's going on in their lives. Money and make our own lives for God.

And we have an anonymous listener who asks, I have been treated more cruelly by professing Christian bosses. Than I have ever been treated by those in the secular world. There are businesses out there that are owned and operated by professing Christians that use the excuse that if they are going to glorify God through their business, they have to be the best business they can be.

And in order to be that best business they can be, they should imitate what their competitors and others in their field are doing to be successful. And sometimes that includes things like ruthlessness and being overly harsh and strict with employees.

I am so overwhelmed with joy hearing of your story. Can you please give some words of counsel to Christian executives, leaders, and business owners out there how they should never imitate those negative things of the world just because they may appear to produce successful results?

Give grace, we'll give grace.

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Getting a driver's license, running a cash register, flipping burgers, passing sixth grade. Do you know what they all have in common? They all require training, assessments, and certifications. But do you know what requires no training at all?

Becoming a parent. My name is A .M. Brewster. I'm the president of Truth, Love, Parent, and host of its award-winning podcast. I've been a biblical family counselor since the early 2000s, and what I've discovered is that the majority of Christian parents have never been biblically equipped to do the work of the ministry in their homes.

That's why Truth, Love, Parent exists. We serve God by equipping dads and moms to be the ambassador parents God called and created them to be. We produce free parenting resources, train church leaders, and offer biblical counseling so that the next generation of dads and moms can use the scriptures to parent their children for life and godliness.