Social Justice Unredacted - What Goes on in "Pass The Mic 101"

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All right, well welcome to social justice.

Unredacted.

My name is a D Robles and I have decided Last minute to call an audible

and to bring on a few people to back me up a little bit.

So that way I didn't have to carry the whole thing by myself.

Because I didn't think I was capable of doing that.

So I decided to assemble a crack team of the of the worst white supremacists I could find.

And I found him man.

I found him easy because we have we have those white supremacy meetings every day.

So, let me just introduce who's gonna be on this with us today.

First I'm gonna enter introduce Jamal Bandy.

That's how you pronounce it, right?

Yes, sir.

Tell everybody who you are and where they could find you Jamal.

All right.

My name is Jamal Bandy.

Once again first I want to say thank you for allowing me to be on this with you and have this discussion.

It's very serious discussion.

I'm a husband.

I'm a father.

I Have a YouTube channel prescribed truth and I also do podcasting as well.

You can find that at prescribing truth podcast and yeah,

Christian and.

That's it.

I'm gonna say that for that.

Awesome.

Awesome.

And then the other white supremacist I got here his name is Edwin Ramirez.

And Edwin why don't you introduce yourself and tell people where they could find you?

Yep.

So again, man.

Thank you for this privilege and excited about the opportunity man just to exalt the Lord Jesus Christ

and Kind of shine a light on this issue at hand.

So my name is Edwin Ramirez.

I'm a husband father three children and been a Christian for

several years and walking with the Lord and The More I walk with him the more I realize how much I don't

know and I'm humbled by that and praise God for that.

You can find me at.

I do blogging.

You can find me at my proverbial life calm.

One of the blogs I wrote which we may refer to tonight is something that ad shared.

Which is kind of like my breakout social justice blog.

So yeah, that's that's where you can find me at though.

Yeah, no, I appreciate that.

Edwin, where do you live.

I live in Jamestown, New York, so it's about the south of Buffalo.

What about you Jamal?

Columbus, Georgia.

Georgia awesome.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, we're gonna get started here in just a minute, but I wanted to start off you know some some of the people that watch that

watch my youtube channel, we're doing the The summer Bible reading challenge that came out of Christ

Church in in Moscow, Idaho.

And so it's it's called same -page summer so everyone's kind of reading the same thing at the same time and and yesterday or two days ago,

we're reading John 7 and John 7 is you know.

The whole book of John is awesome.

But but John 7 it's you know.

We got Christ and he's talking to the Pharisees and the Pharisees, you know they're always trying to catch him, you know in some kind of a

sin and they He heals he heals that that brother on the Sabbath and this and the

Pharisees freak out and they they say hey man.

You're breaking the Sabbath and all of that kind of thing and one of the things that Jesus says is he says he says

stop judging by outward appearances and start judging

justly.

Man, we got we got we got the King James, you know, listen for all my King James people out there.

Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgment and and and we have all kind of heard this

this this verse before.

What it means really is that look there's a lot of things out there that look like they're just they look like they're

righteous.

They look like they're good.

But at the end of the day, they're not what you have to do is you have to look at the law of God?

To determine what's right and wrong we have to look at the law of God to determine what's just and.

And and this the whole trick there was the Pharisees had had come up with this whole Law that made

it seem like they were keeping the Sabbath, but they really weren't and so.

The social justice movement in my opinion has a lot of things that look really good.

They look really righteous.

It looks like you're keeping the law of God.

But at the end of the day when you when you actually look at what's happening.

It actually in many ways overturns the law of God and so we're looking at the fruit of

something.

You know good trees bear good fruit bad trees bear bad fruit, right?

How do you tell the difference is well?

What what comports with the law of God if it's if you're doing God's law if you're doing God's work.

Well, then that's good fruit.

But if you're not then it's bad fruit and so that's the whole point of this and I think what we'll find here when we

we Look at this this stuff that we're gonna look at is that it has some serious problems.

When it comes to when it comes to the law of God, that's pretty lightly that's Right,

and so it has the appearance of something that's good because I think look look I know I was joking

earlier we're not white supremacists, but.

But at the end of the day man like look look if none of us are for racism,

right, right.

There's no reason for us to be for racism and I know that they would have it, right.

And so we're not we know that being against racism is a good thing.

But at the end of the day.

A lot of this stuff isn't really against racism as well as we will see.

So Does anyone have anything to say quickly before we get started?

Yeah, you go ahead brother, um, I got a little mouth and lay him down real quick.

Go ahead.

Do your thing.

All right, no problem no problem.

All right, so I'm gonna share my screen here for a minute and This is gonna be the first.

This is gonna be the first Screenshot that I'm gonna share now.

I've I know that I said, this is social justice unredacted, but I have redacted some things.

So here's what I've done.

I'm not redacting any of the content.

But I have redacted some of the names and what I've what I've done is I've left I think three names and the reason I've left these

three is because these are Public figures so I didn't want you know, look the whole point of this is not to embarrass anybody.

It's not to it's not to it's not to ruin anybody's life.

Nothing none of that.

So if you're a part of this past of my group, but you're not one of these, you know.

You're not a moderator.

You're not someone who's in charge.

You have nothing to worry about here.

But but I wanted to leave some of the names because some of the names are known quantities people that are involved in this social Justice

movement and so again not trying to embarrass anybody but at the end of the day this stuff needs to be exposed.

So here's the first screenshot that I'm going to share.

This is I'm just gonna share this real quick.

All right.

So this is a screenshot that shows what the past the mic 101 group is all about.

Now I was told that this was kind of a group and Edwin.

You know you have a little more knowledge of this than I do because you were actually in some of these groups.

But what I was told was this is kind of like a remedial, you know learn about Racism group

for white people in particular.

Mm -hmm.

Yep right, and so Here's what we here's what we have here.

Let me let me just read this to you you guys and tell you you can just react if you like.

This is from Allie Henry.

I know it says Allie Smith, but this is Allie Henry.

And so what she says is passing like 101 is designed for white people to learn about racial

justice.

Decenter whiteness and learn how to engage in the main group.

From time to time privileged voices.

Which is people of color may choose to engage in this forum.

Their engagement here is a gift and Should be treated with respect.

Now let me stop there.

What do you guys think about that?

Yeah, I mean it goes without saying but it's that's divisive.

I mean that that that doesn't foster a community of Christians who are

focused on the person of Jesus Christ.

It's that I mean the group could easily say shut up and listen, right, you know.

So it isn't it isn't Christ like.

And I could talk about that more later.

Just my experience before don't worry.

Yeah.

Yeah, it already shows a point of marginalization already as soon as you come into the group.

You know as you read this is already if you're a white person you read that automatically is like my

my point doesn't matter here like There's nothing intelligent that I can bring to the forums.

There's nothing Helpful beneficial, you know, and the only ones that are as

it's called a gift It's people of color.

You know.

And concerning some of the rhetoric we see in the recipes is like you see do you actually believe this is a

gift?

Right with respect, you know, we'll see that in a minute of all we will so here's here's here's the

here's the kind of look.

There's a lot one of the things I noticed about this group right away.

I read these screenshots.

There's a lot of rules and there's it's very heavily moderate now.

There's nothing wrong with moderating something, you know reform pub moderates.

You know, there's lots lots of like big popular podcasts have groups and they moderate them pretty heavily.

But this one is ridiculous.

So let me just read some of the rules for white members ready so.

So pass the mic 101 white members should avoid tagging people of

color into threads.

Refrain from tagging people of color while replying.

Even if the person of color has engaged in that thread or sub thread, let me just finish these and we'll talk about them.

White persons should react appropriately to posts and comments by people of color.

Reacting indicates that you're listening.

I'm sorry.

I'm laughing but Avoid demanding time and emotional labor from people of color.

Asking questions is appropriate.

But do not ask questions of people of color that could be easily googled.

Asking clarifying questions is appropriate.

And here's the next one avoid Whitesplaining or debating with people

of color.

This space is for your education.

You will learn more if you listen.

Wow.

This is man, so so let me just say the one that I found the most interesting in

my opinion and and this is just because I I don't know I'm a weirdo but

React appropriately to posts and comments by people of color because reacting indicates that you're listening.

What this is actually saying in context if you read the rest of the the screenshots that I have this is

talking about like Liking things or like laughing or like having angry faces like,

you know, the emoticons the emojis.

It's one of the rules for white people's you better put the right emoji just so we know you're listening.

Yeah, is this not psychotic?

It's Wow.

So what do you think about those rules though?

Honestly, what do you think about?

Yeah, so go ahead.

Jamal, oh no the first thing I was gonna say just one word and I know this may seem like Oh, this

is expected for him to say this but the first thing come on is racist and the reason the reason why is because you take this

you take this rhetoric and then you replace whiteness and white centering with blackness and black center and

then you have a white person say that.

What would be the first thing they're gonna say?

Racist.

And they'd be right.

Yeah, yeah, it'd be correct but then this right here for some reason will not be seen cannot be

seen as Such and is it is a salmon void.

Whitesplaining?

What in the world is whitesplaining?

How do you whitesplain?

I know it.

I know what it is, but I won't tell you.

Now.

Seriously, no, I'm serious.

No, I.

Yeah, I'm like like like when the world is that and then you're talking about I

don't understand when it's my decent or whiteness I get what they would they try to mean by that?

Yeah, it just it's racist, you know.

And so I mean, that's that's just the first thing come on there.

Yeah, what do you.

What do you think Edwin when you see those rules?

I mean on honestly like it strikes me the same way it strikes Jamal as is obviously.

There's partiality all up in this group.

I mean if the whole group is partiality.

But that's what do you think?

Yeah, it's crazy.

So I was in the group and I was heavily influenced by the group.

I Saw myself as privileged because I wasn't white.

Like I had a merit to myself and those those rules Really

help put things in perspective like that's right.

This is this is how White people need to Submit themselves to

the voice of those who have color people of color.

Yeah, and so when I read those what I when I hear those rules man it it's like.

It's like a an old friend, you know who was close to you.

But it was so bad for you.

And now you look back and you thank God you and him are not close anymore.

I've had a lot of those in my life.

Say Yeah, no, I yeah, I mean I just you know

and.

And this is obvious.

This is obviously gonna be the theme a lot in this in this thing today.

But I just can't help but but but think of it.

It's just so obvious to me that this is about revenge and what I mean by that is, you know.

You hear constantly about white privilege and how you need to divest of your privilege and you need to

do that privileges like the enemy right privileges the enemy but.

But but in the at the end of the day, it really isn't the privilege.

That's the enemy because in this group they do privilege.

It's just the white.

That's the enemy.

It's not the privilege.

It's just the fact that it's white.

That's the enemy and so like I Don't know why I don't know why that

this is not obvious, but it just seems like look I know you like you've been privileged for a long time now.

It's our turn.

You know, you know what I mean?

No, I do and one of the things that they that they from from my time in it is that You've

been privileged in a in an ungodly way.

We're gonna show you how it's supposed to be.

Yeah, does that make sense?

So so you've been you've been using your white privilege if you look at American history this I'm speaking from their perspective.

You look at American history.

You've your privilege has been through thievery.

Right, but but but really the privilege is is for the original

man that I've heard people say so many times or you know black and brown voices and so

We're gonna show you what privilege ought to look like, you know and this is the way it needs to be.

Because you know, remember James Cone is a huge proponent in this movement and

James Cone, you know tell you that.

You know Jesus Like was black and that Jesus died for black people and

poor people and that's what the kingdom is for.

Well Cone said that blackness is salvation.

It's the same thing.

That's right.

Oh, wow.

And it's and it's it's just and blackness to Cone.

It definitely has to do with skin color.

But also it's it's just a it's a posture almost it's it's a it's.

It's the opposite of power.

You know what I mean?

It's like it's it's very interesting.

Anyway, but let's uh, let me read.

Let's do something else here.

Hold on.

I'm sorry.

I mean, I'm technically not that savvy.

One of the other things I thought was interesting guys is this whole thing about Avoid tagging people of color and

threads even if they're like even if you're in a conversation like, you know on Facebook.

Like you're talking to someone and you tag them so that they get a notification that you you talk to them, you know.

Mm -hmm, and it's saying avoid doing that.

Even if they're taught even if you're talking like if I was talking to you Jamal in this group, I'm not allowed to say Jamal.

You know, what's that about?

Yeah I don't know.

It seems like a lot of the stuff that was in this in these comments or these threads Was centered around

trying to protect them for some kind of therapeutic trauma.

If they if you get tags, so if you get tagged it's like this space I'm taking away and as I just it's traumatic.

I got to see that notification that I've been tagged in a comment.

You know, it's like come on like it's crazy, you know.

Honestly like when I get tagged if I don't want to talk and this happens every day to me if I get tagged I don't

want to say anything.

I just ignore it.

I mean, what do you guys do?

Yeah, yeah, you can you can you can unfollow the the thread and it's easy.

It's easy to do that.

Turn off notifications to this post.

Yeah, it's crazy cuz I'm the group man it is it is like a big.

It's like a big therapy room, you know, it's like you're petting each other like

like it's almost like being traumatized is

Good.

Yeah, does that make sense?

Like it is it it isn't good, but it's like they walk around.

Traumatized, you know, there's there was always pictures and videos and memes posted

and it was always angry.

Faces and then a lot of things.

Something else, bro a lot of times because you can tell the you can tell whether or not

an article or a meme or something was going to be pro.

What was gonna be good or was gonna be bad by the emote by the emojis?

So if you look at the emojis and you see hearts and likes.

You look at them right and you read the subtitle on the blog.

The blog is is so some of them would be like Feminist woman 101, you know, and

yeah a lot of the times it was liberal sources.

Yeah.

Of course were being liked and loved because they were speaking for their they were using their

voice in their form of traumatized.

You know be traumatized.

And let me just say this too because you know at the end of the day like one of the reasons why I chose to Redact some of the names even though

this is social justice unredacted is because I don't blame people that feel traumatized over this stuff.

Necessarily because at the end of the day, it's not all their fault.

They've been conditioned and they've been told that a part of a part of Spirituality is to have

this trauma and to enter and to embrace this.

So I don't I don't blame like the run -of -the -mill social justice Advocate about them feeling trauma.

I blame the leaders because I think they I think they know what they're doing and I think they're I think that they know.

They are building a groundswell of support and a lot of them make money off of this.

And so that's that's who I blame.

But but anyway, all right, let's let's move on here.

So I'm sharing my screen with you guys again.

This is something that when I heard about this I would I was shocked and I didn't get to have access to all of the units.

But this past the mic 101 group for white people if you're white you have assignments this is like

this is like school.

You guys are laughing but this is serious.

Yeah.

Listen to this.

Hold on.

I'll let you comment Jamal, but let me just read this.

This is Allie Henry again.

She says we have chosen to make the social learning units.

The landing tab in this group because eventually the completion of these sections will determine your

participation in the main group.

We are listen to this line.

This is this line mate.

This guy got me.

I laugh when I read this we are still working on how to do this in a way that doesn't feel like segregation.

That also doesn't make the person of color feel like they have to complete the training on stuff that is about whiteness this is so

interesting to me because because She knows this is not right.

I Can I can hear in the words like like this feels like segregation this feels like partiality.

But we're trying to figure out how to make it not that.

But if you watch this you can't because it is that you can't make it not feel like

segregation and that.

That feeling you feel that's a good godly shame because the Holy Spirit is telling you this is wrong, man.

This is wrong.

Anyway, go ahead guys.

Yeah, yeah, it's the testable man, it's shameful it's uh, it's you know, I'm laughing.

And and I'm hoping that people who see me laughing, you know, it is in one sense It is funny, but in another

sense man is so grieving.

Yeah, and so it's so Antichrist, you know.

That it's it's people people Believe this and they walk around

Thinking this way in their churches in their discipleship groups at

their jobs.

And man, it's just so grieving, you know, yeah, I.

Hear you guys man, and Honestly, like like again, like I laugh a lot of my channel too, you know.

And it sometimes sometimes honestly, the reason I laugh is because if I didn't laugh I would just cry.

Yes.

It's so it's so ridiculous.

It's so ridiculous.

It's ridiculous.

It's like I can't if I don't know I don't know Ali like I don't know who that is.

I don't know if she professed to be a Christian or.

Okay, see that and that's the thing is that I can't it's ridiculous.

I can't imagine a Christian.

Yeah thinking like that and it's been a whole that's been my whole grievance of this whole issue.

Is that everything that's being said is these are professed Christians who are thinking this way saying these things.

You know, it's like you call a spade a spade if it feels like segregation.

Nine times out of ten.

It probably is, you know.

Just like we talk about lying or lust anything like that.

We got a question it if there's something going on.

We got a question that thought of it probably is.

Right Jamal and the thing is that I agree with you because at the end of the day like I've heard a lot of stuff.

That sounds just like this and and actually your your character woke brother.

Like I've seen so many youtubes of people just like that, but they don't profess to be Christian.

So it's like I get it.

I understand.

But it's hard to hear this from people that profess to be Christians, and I'm not saying that they're not Christian.

I'm just saying that it's it makes me sad and that's why I say like the Holy Spirit's talking to you.

If this still feels like segregation to you, you know what I mean?

Yeah, because because because pagans that are woke they don't it doesn't feel like segregation and they don't

care.

You know what?

I mean?

Because they don't have the Holy Spirit, right?

All right, let's let's jump on so this is this is some more rules and we're gonna move on from the rules in a minute and and and

just for for people that are watching like.

Just keep in mind.

I have 200 of these screenshots and there's so many rules.

It's unbelievable.

There's so many units.

There's so many rules.

It's just it's crazy.

So I had I had a pick and choose and so hopefully I picked right.

This is a this is the rules about how should a white person engage?

With privileged voices again.

Privilege is not bad.

It's just a matter of that.

It's white but privileged voices in past the mic.

So here are the rules when commenting on the main group are white members should do these things.

Number one reflect on if their words are needed.

Are you adding to the conversation or centering whiteness?

Number two reflect on if the topic is something that needs a white voice or opinion.

Reflect on if it's appropriate to engage with the subject.

Is this a topic that is for you or about you?

Here's one that I found interesting guys.

Avoid saying things like quote.

Thank you for sharing or quote.

I'm learning from you on Posts that are not intended for white education.

People of color do not exist to teach you about racism.

Hmm.

Avoid unnecessary comments like following.

Oh my.

Make sure your words make sure your words add to the conversation avoid asking people to educate you.

Google is free.

You can't figure it out.

It's appropriate to submit an inquiry to the group.

This one's funny privilege people of color's voices by waiting for their engagement before you comment.

The exception is threads in which white participation is solicited.

Now These these rules.

I just they're just so preposterous.

The one I found so interesting.

Is this one?

This is just so petty man.

This is petty.

So Let me just be honest with you guys.

I one of my pet peeves is when i'm on a facebook group and somebody comments following because they want

to get notifications for the.

That's a pet peeve of mine, right like.

Because you can very easily follow the thread without commenting that that's a pet peeve of mine.

I agree.

Mm -hmm, but to make that a rule.

Right how petty and it's not only a rule.

It's a rule.

If you're white.

Right notice this is a rule for white persons.

It's not a so if a black guy or brown guy goes hey following.

That's not a problem, but it's a problem if a white person doesn't because and I think it's because they're taking up space.

That's not intended for them.

Honestly, man, is this is this not the most pettiest?

Kind of thing that you could imagine like look I hate when people do that.

But I would never say anything because it's not a big deal, right?

Right, right.

Yeah, it's it's oh wow.

What wow, I mean, I mean these rules are just so.

There there's just a mixture of partiality and pettiness and just making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Like imagine what what can you guys imagine?

I mean, look, maybe you guys are in this woke crowd better than better than I am.

Why would they say you can't say thank you for sharing?

What's wrong with that.

That that they can't say.

Thank you for sharing.

Yeah, like why can't a per why can't a white person if you let's just say you said something edwin.

About your experiences and a white person commented.

Thank you for sharing.

That's actually against the rules in this group.

Why would that be against the rules?

I mean, uh from my experience what I what i've seen was.

You know, you're you're only in the position to listen and learn.

And really I mean, you know, we we're gonna we're gonna educate you.

And if you if if you have and I it's crazy man, because I remember adopting this

ideology of Google it.

Right, you know when you're this when you when you said google it bro when you said one of those.

That was yo, I I used that as my arguing card.

Right.

I I shouldn't I shouldn't have I shouldn't have to tell you this google it.

You know and it's like It's like robots bro.

They all they all sound the same.

And they all brother john harris, um did a video.

On the language that critical race theory and the woke social justice movement.

Uses and man it is it is across the board.

They use these key words.

That you can just trace it and google it is in there.

You know what I mean?

Like yeah.

Yeah because it's like.

The idea is You should already know and the fact that you don't is a reflection of your privilege

of your white privilege.

Right, and so because you don't know you need to shut up and just listen and don't just be commenting, you

know.

This is let me just say one more thing.

Sorry um, another thing that they say is You don't as a white person.

You don't get to decide whether or not you're an ally.

We decide that for you.

Yep, that's huge.

Yep, so so if you're asking questions and it looks like you Like are a part of

us.

You're not so slow down Google it and we'll let you know

whether or not you're an ally.

That's huge.

What do you think jamal about.

I mean, honestly, well, I just want to say I I did.

I googled whitesplaining while we were talking.

I googled whitesplaining.

All right, and um, and I just realized again I've been i've been clouded

By whiteness all my life.

I understand what that is.

Trust me, we're gonna we're gonna see that in a minute.

We'll get to that.

We'll get to that.

All right, and you know what's crazy man, and I know we're gonna get to this.

You know, what's crazy is like if This has been nothing but a conversation.

But if we just reversed The the terminology right if we if we said all we gotta do

blacksplaining or black privilege, you know, right all these

terminologies.

All hell would break loose.

It's embarrassing to say that because you say it all the time, but it works every time.

It works every time because the bible doesn't know about this.

Well, the the the privileged class can can be can be evil.

But the underclass can't.

Like we don't.

The bible knows nothing about this, but but that's what this is all about.

Jamal, did we interrupt you?

I'm, sorry.

You sound like you're about to say something funny.

Oh, no, no, no, no, I don't think i'm gonna say anything funny or not, but um, All right.

No, i'll just i'll just about just to just piggyback what edwin was saying concerning all this is is crazy.

Like you have to wait For somebody else a person of color to comment before you can comment.

Yeah, you know, that's that's what you think about.

Um back then uh civil rights movement.

It's like this is like payback or something.

It's like they.

It's like It's like they want to have some kind of revenge like oh you can't eat until they eat you.

You can't still on the bus until they come on.

You can't drink from the fountain.

You can't drink from this fountain.

You can't.

This is and this is the thing like none of us.

It's like none of us on this.

Go ahead.

It's yeah.

Yeah.

Well, this is the thing like none of us that are talking.

You still there.

Yeah, i'm here.

None of none of us that are talking right now.

Um Deny rate like racism exists and i'm sure that we've all experienced it like like it's no good

like like racism's.

It's a real thing and it was more and like there was more of it in the past.

There's less of it now.

Thank god, but there's it still exists and it's not fun.

It's not good.

It's sinful but like.

It doesn't make it any more.

Okay, because you're in in minority class like it makes it.

It doesn't make it any more.

Okay.

I just don't get it.

Well, that's the thing too brother is like.

In their in their understanding that they're not racist because they can't be.

I know.

Because they're not they're not the majority, you know when you're not the majority.

You can't be racist because you don't have the power and the privilege.

And that's why we got them here because they do have the power and the privilege in this group.

And what are they doing with it?

They're showing partiality.

They're showing prejudice.

They're they're lording it over people like In this little tiny little bit of power that they have.

They're doing the wrong thing.

What do you think would happen if they had more power?

Exactly and I think that's.

No, I just want to say I just I think it's good.

That's why I like when when you're discussing these things you always bring it back to the biblical term of it partiality.

You have because you know because that that that disarms that argument, you know, you know, yes, it's partiality.

So partiality has no color and it has no status.

Right.

It is what it is what it is a matter of the heart, you know, all of our hearts beat the same according to

According to god's grace.

So, you know, there's no issue with that you know, they stay away from that and i've heard people

be faced with an argument dealing with partiality and they They it's like they try to dodge it, you know go around it as if

you know.

Oh, that's not a big deal.

Abnc.

And this is what this is what jamal is referring to here in case the viewers don't know.

This is leviticus chapter 19.

This is the this is the same passage where we get love your neighbor as yourself.

This is where jesus quoted from that.

It says this it says you must not pervert justice.

You must not show partiality.

To the poor or favoritism to the rich.

It doesn't matter if they're rich or poor.

It doesn't matter if they have a lot of power or a little bit of power.

It doesn't matter if they're black or white.

You can't show partiality no matter what.

Right.

And that's and that's the whole point.

That's what you're referring to jamal that that whole idea that it has no status.

It's partiality's partiality and that's just what the way it is.

Amen.

All right.

Let's let me share this because we're gonna move on here.

We could talk about this for a long time, but let's just move on real quick.

I'll hold on a second here application window.

All right so this is I I couldn't tell if this person was an admin or

not.

So that's why I blotted the name out.

But here's what it says you can see the picture.

So if you know this person, you know you know who it is, but Listen to this.

So, I don't know.

I didn't know how to feel about this.

I know there's partiality here, but I didn't know if it was that bad.

Basically, this is what this person says in the main group.

There are times when posts asks for black or people of color voices only White people

should practice invisibility on such posts.

Invisibility means that you should refrain from commenting or reacting to the main

posts and comments.

There are some threads that white people should avoid reading altogether.

There's no way to police this but it's something to think about.

They're trying to get in your head, man.

Like that last part is ridiculous like you should avoid reading it all together like like.

They are literally trying to get is this cultish?

This is cultish.

But that first the first part about like look i'm asking for only blacks or only people of color.

I feel like that might be okay because sometimes i'll ask a question is one of these groups like hey look i'm only looking for.

For uh for baptists in this one or only presbyterians in this one because you're trying to you're trying to decipher something like.

Maybe maybe edwin knows how does this work in practice?

Is it something like that or is it is it used in another way?

I mean I as a christian.

I don't want the opinions of just black baptists or white presbyterians.

You know saying like I want to know what the bible says right you feel me like this is

this is stupid man.

It it's unfruitful.

It's ungodly.

It's you know I don't see christ in that.

No, no.

Not at all.

Not at all.

All right.

All right.

Yeah, that's sorry.

I don't have much to say.

It's like.

Yeah, it's.

It's like what else like man like you see something like that and like you're saying it doesn't sound like you're showing much there.

But it's all there as far as partiality goes, right?

Right, you know because you're talking about because this past my group was talking about important issues.

And so I understand but not been able to even react.

And that means emojis like you can't do an emoji.

Yeah, you can't no emojis.

No hearts.

No likes even if you agree.

There's nothing just invisible.

I will say this though, man, because you just made me to remember something jamal.

I will say this that um, I think a part of the reason why this takes

place in this group is because um.

There's an emotional tie.

That you have as a person of color in these groups where you you really think

and live in suspicion.

Right, so so there's there's no trust.

Um, and and nothing is given the benefit of the doubt, um, and there's this like air

of um of of of Oppression, you know, like I remember man.

I I remember man.

And I want to say this man for anyone who's watching and I hope this is helpful if you're in the woke movement man

um I remember my wife is white, right?

My wife is um swedish.

Um, and and I remember talking to my wife when I was woke and I remember telling her I was like boo

like.

You got to use your privilege to to like.

Bring out the good in in blacks, you know, and I remember and i'm ashamed of this, you know.

It's my past but i'm ashamed of it man.

I look back and i'm like wow, but I remember Us going out of our way.

And I remember distinctly my wife going out of her way one time.

When we were in the supermarket and she greeted a black woman.

And just was kind to her and I and I taught I said babe.

You got to be kind to to black people and people of color because they are the oppressed people,

you know.

And and you got to use one of the ways you can use your privilege is by acknowledging their

identity.

By acknowledging their personhood and I remember my wife coming home saying yeah, I talked to this black now

my wife my wife.

Before that conversation to talk to anyone, you know what I mean?

Like it didn't matter if it was a white person or black person.

But it was it was exempt it was highlighted even more where now you got to look for it and go out of your

way.

To gain this merit, you know what I mean?

So it's grieving man if you're in this movement.

Man examine your heart and see if do you really do you really love your neighbor regardless of the color of their skin?

And are you really seeking for the good of your fellow brethren regardless of the past

and history regardless of your own?

Background man loving with the love of christ is so huge in this whole thing, man.

Yeah I was just real quick.

I just want to say I was thinking about this.

Um a while back I made a video on this on my channel and it was like I was really blown away and

like everyone's saying like this level of suspicion that'd be like if somebody was to comment or somebody was to like it, there'd be a

level of suspicion, but it's like.

We've forgotten of what corinthians teaches about what love does.

That hopes all things we're talking about we're talking about Brothers and sisters and and crisis,

but yet we're not even hoping all things anymore.

We're not believing all things anymore.

It's automatic.

It's Automatic that you got to be against me.

You got to be my enemy.

Yet we're claiming the same savior.

That's what makes it so heartbreaking.

Yeah, because like you're supposed to love me you know and yet.

Yet you don't but you say it's love because I want you to see my oppression.

But you but you're trying to get me to see your oppression.

By oppressing right about being oppressive and it's right.

And you don't have and and and and listen we're not saying it's the same kind of oppression that no no.

But but even in the little authority you have you're trying to oppress and that's not how you can't out sin your sin.

You can't send your way out of sin.

It doesn't work that way.

All right.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

I know you're trying to move.

I was just saying I did that.

We can't like we can we can we can you already said it twice already on here.

We know how serious racism really is.

And there's no, you know, nobody's trying to downplay that, you know.

I know that'd be the first thing to bring up like we're trying to um, You know compare the two and stuff like that.

Right, right.

Yeah, we're trying to compare that if somebody would take what I said concerning the person that says like no.

But oppression is oppression whether the levels are not oppression is oppression and all this evil.

And so it's like, you know.

The bible tells us do not repay evil for evil.

You know, the bible says the bible says counter evil with good.

You know, and so what do you do if you do suspect sin in your neighbor?

What are you supposed to do?

What are you supposed to do?

You suspect sin in your brother?

The one who is me goes to him.

You know and it's like we're you're not following these principles as christians and that's what it breaks my heart the most is that a lot of this

is being peddled by Professing christians who have a a voice and have a platform that is gaining a lot of ears,

right?

So.

Yeah, yeah, no and it's funny as you talk jamal like i'm thinking about some of the james cone that i'm reading

and and and and James cone has answers for what you just said.

And he would basically say that's that's that's whitey theology.

That's whitey theology that that you turn the other cheek that you don't repay evil for evil.

No, we got to do we got to do this by any means that we think is is good.

Anyway, well, I won't get into that because james cone is a whole nother thing.

But anyway, um.

Let me read this one to you now i'm, not going to claim that this is.

This is common in this group because I don't know um, and and it is not necessarily put forward by the leaders

of this group, I don't know that it is either but.

But i've i've heard that.

The perspective i'm about to show you is it doesn't exist.

I i've i've brought this up before and people say well, that's just ridiculous.

No one ever talks about this.

But it actually literally in this group is talked about and there's no shame in this like this is something that's proudly

talked about.

Here it is.

Are white supremacy and christian supremacy?

Two sides of the same coin.

How have ideas and doctrines about the great commission and evangelism and god's sovereignty and election?

Been used to prop up and spread white supremacy.

How has the idea that the indwelling of the holy spirit?

Received only through belief and faith in jesus gives believers some sort of spiritual advantage been used to

diminish others experience with god.

And and and look like i'm not saying you can't kick around ideas if you want to but this whole

idea of christian supremacy like.

To to me it's just like okay like.

Is a christian culture possible in this perspective because if let's just say that let's just say god

willing man.

People repent and we've got a majority of christians in this nation.

We don't but let's just say we did one day.

Would that automatically be well you're you're denying the people other people's experience of god like

Where's the christianity in any of this?

I I honestly want to know.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

No, I don't see it in that man.

The um, just just real quick idea.

I hate us a lot from people when they bring up.

Um earlier america as far as like this is the the spread of white supremacy dealing with um.

Especially christians professor christians at the time who owned slaves and so on so forth and um who

pushed forward and everything else.

Without giving us proper context and it's it's funny.

I mean you actually you can google it too.

But when you actually look at this stuff and really look at it in its entirety.

It's like man these these people like had like they had people's

Own their hearts because they were image bearers of god.

Regardless when the world was saying they were nothing when the world saying they weren't people.

It's like no they are souls.

They are people.

You know, um, you know, it's it's real just real quick if I may the um Whitfield for instance.

I I was doing I did a video on um Dealing with him because you know a guy asked me a question concerning him and I

did a video on him and there's something Interesting just one point I want to bring up.

Go man, this man this man.

They always they always pull they always harp on him because they say Well, he pushed for slavery in georgia, you know, he wanted it

to go.

He wanted to continue.

But the reason why he wanted it to continue.

And you know, and somebody may look at this as oh, that's but the fact he wanted to continue that's enough already.

But no listen god the fact that he wanted to continue was because he had an orphanage in georgia.

Yeah, yeah an orphanage in georgia, but yes, but he or the orphanage consisted of black

children.

He cared for black babies.

And he didn't want that orphanage to fall apart.

He didn't want those black children to have without to be without a place to stay.

And then and then those that he cared for those that he that was master over.

Loved him.

What is one of his slaves after he passed away one of the women who was a slave and wrote a poem?

Talking about how good they how much they they valued hearing the word of god from him.

Listening to him talked about his they gave they she spoke about his words if it was angelic.

Yeah, you know and it's like that.

Like that's crazy.

Why can't we see any of that?

You know saying like how god even in his providence.

This is why they thought like christianity election and providence and all that stuff like that.

Because like oh because there were christians then who said.

Maybe god used his providence and his providence allowed this to happen that we can do these things.

I brother I said that I said that one time on a on a the one of the very few conversations i've had with somebody I said it

online that exact thing that you know, this is god's providence like I thank god for

the slave trade in the sense that my family came to know christ because there's a good chance that if If that never

happened That they i'd i'd be a muslim right now.

You know, I mean, there's a good chance now I'm, not saying that the slave trade was good.

What i'm saying is god used it for his good purpose purposes in his providence god intended good and and when I said

that people were freaking out like like how could you say something so evil like.

And and really that that this is this is a theological problem, too.

But yes, it's it's denying that it's the same thing.

It's the same thing with concerning.

Um, joseph.

Yeah, yeah same thing was.

Was it good?

Was it good for his brothers to to be him put him in a hole and sell him in slavery?

Was that a good thing?

No.

But what is what does joseph proclaim.

He says that y 'all meant it for my evil but god meant it for my good.

Like acknowledging god's providence in that and so if if if he can acknowledge that even joe even

joe.

With everything that happened to him there were men there were men who came in and killed his family so on so forth.

Yet he acknowledged that it was god who did this he allowed us it was his providence.

Amen, you know saying and so like the witness of scripture is true.

And so we take the witness it's like the witness of scripture is good for back then.

But not today, right?

It's like, you know, it's like, okay, it can't be right.

Right, and even if they would intellectually say it's good for today.

They don't act like it though.

Right.

Yeah, they don't act like because god made you a black guy.

God made you puerto rican.

God made all those white folks white.

And so there's no reason to divest of that god, that's that's a gift from god.

He made you white.

Yeah, you know what I mean, you know what's interesting too man as i'm hearing you guys talking jamal that was great man.

Thank you for sharing that brother.

Um, one of the things i've noticed is there's a disconnect between if you remember that the

group many people may not know this the group is Reformed that was his essence.

That was his foundation is that it was reformed.

So no not anymore, but and this is this is why this is why though um

because in one respect.

There is like it's like candy like, you know Reform the the the providence of god the sovereignty of

god and all those things are good.

It tastes good.

But then when you when you strip it away like a candy it leaves your teeth rotting.

And the rotten thing about the reformed theology aspect is that it's rooted in white supremacy.

Right.

So so even even these reformed um Figures that we have come

to love a lot of them and this group have actually divorced themselves from the puritans

from Whitfield from edwards from calvin because they they're

their reformed teaching is theologically sound but it

denigrates.

The identity and the being of the person who isn't white.

And so they they've actually made a shift from it being reformed and it's not the group

isn't founded.

It's no longer founded on Theological truths it's founded on

emotional, you know this emotional aspect so so it's actually true truth

is Subjective in this group.

It isn't objective.

The objectivity of god's word is not the final authority in this group.

It's not.

It's subjectivity.

You if you're oppressed if you feel victimized if you feel that you you know

That you know that you have trauma then it doesn't matter.

What what's if you talk about the providence of god the sovereignty of god?

The objective word of god is secondary to the subjective emotion to the individual.

Yeah.

All right, let's move on here.

I wanted to show you this now we're gonna shift gears here.

So there's a lot more rules to this group.

There's a lot of other things we could have covered but we're gonna move on i'm gonna start to talk about how this group talks

about.

People like us black and brown brothers in christ who do not agree with social justice.

How they're talked about?

Go ahead.

Coons you mean.

That's right.

That is what I mean.

Get it, right.

You know and and this is more than one way to say coon like like like yeah that that sounds really crass.

What you just said like that, you know, that's a slur and we all agree that that is a slur.

It is but but but the reality is that.

A lot of your favorite and i'm talking to the audience here your favorite preachers.

Have talked about coons.

In so many words like they'll talk about the idea, but they won't say the word.

And and i'm talking a lot of your favorite people talk about this matt chandler talked about this.

About black guys who agree with you if you're white what you know, and that's not what he wants you to do.

He doesn't want you to talk about those people like he's talking about coons, but he won't say the word obviously.

But but this is a whole thing.

Let's talk about this now.

I did not redact this person's name for two reasons.

One is because it's a pseudonym.

Anyway.

Two is because we all know who this is because this person is very active on twitter.

Uh, this is bradley mason, I believe is his name.

And he goes by also a carpenter now what he's doing here.

This is really his comment really doesn't matter.

What he's doing is he's screenshotting daryl harrison, which I think both of you guys know.

Yeah, he's he works for uh, For grace to you, uh ministries and he's definitely active in this social

justice conversation, but he's not a social justice advocate.

Right and he he comments here about you know, he quotes roger taney.

He's a supreme court justice.

Who um who delivered the dred scott decision?

And what he says here is thank god that at least one place all men are equal the church of god.

I do not consider it any degradation to kneel beside a negro in the house of our heavenly father.

That's a very good quote.

It's a very good quote now bradley.

Mason says well, yeah.

But he also said this other thing about how the negro's property.

Okay, granted that you know, there's some inconsistency there.

But but in the church, he had the right idea, right?

Now now this is not what's important if you want to talk about how taney's inconsistent.

I have no grief I have no gripe with you, you know men are inconsistent.

I'm inconsistent i'm sure.

At least I at least i'm I think so I don't I don't think I am but anyway, um.

But anyway, so so so this is what I wanted to comment here.

Look at how this it's you don't you don't dispute you don't talk about it in any substantive way.

Here's what you do you say?

I keep telling people.

These dudes ain't christian.

And then what we have here sambo for theology.

Now if you you may or may not know who sambo is this is a slur.

This is a slur talking about how he's essentially a coon.

Daryl, harrison Is a coon now, let me go on to another one here.

Here's this is talking about the same thing.

It's terrible what black men will do to get a white man to pat them on the head.

It would be wise to genuinely ignore anything daryl has to say because he's so far gone because he

wants them white folks.

Praising him.

It's sad.

Here's another one just a daily reminder that for some whites proximity equals equality shakes my head.

That's why they can still say stuff like i've got a black friend and they think that means everything's cool.

This all but underscores how evangelicals worship the bail of white supremacy and not god no doubt.

That's what it comes down to the worship of whiteness and all things white.

Hey while you're reading those everyone notice the emojis right.

Good good point.

It's all loves or likes and that is because that is the rule you have to now.

It is fascinating to watch people defend.

Mac, I think that means john macarthur.

I'm not sure.

Yeah.

Seems his followers with the old cultural blind spot.

The only sin the spirit does not convict of is racism.

Apologetic.

This is especially fascinating when they are black talking about daryl harrison again.

It is amazing how completely some of us have internalized the racism.

We've been fed and even corrupted the christianity to do so fascinating and this is bradley mason a

white guy.

So you think it's a matter of internalized racism?

I've been.

Hold on.

I've been trying to understand it for a while.

I mean that daryl harrison would go and work for grace to you every time I see him hanging out with phil johnson.

I just can't figure out what's going on.

And the guys who wrote the social justice statements Site what is going on?

Here's what this person responds.

Absolutely.

They have accepted that the white man's theological ice is colder.

Here's the white guy saying.

Heartbreaking notice notice ad.

The white guy had to ask a question.

Right, he can't interject.

Right, right.

Well this i've got to be honest according to those rules this whole thing of heartbreaking that's suspect he might not.

That might not that might be out of line.

Hey, you don't see any likes on that comment.

Good point.

So don't that was yeah, he he had 21 weeks to get a like he didn't even get one like

anyway, um Hold on i'm just gonna see if that okay.

So that's that's that's enough for that.

So but but here's here's what I want to emphasize there now now I um I I

didn't share every screenshot of that conversation, but suffice it to say that there was really no

Substantive interaction nothing at all.

It's just it's just Darryl's bad Darryl wants white people to like him.

Darryl's looking for white approval.

Darryl worships Whiteness and and it's just all it's just all ad hominem.

It's just like there's look if if darryl worships whiteness or not.

I don't know.

I don't know the man I mean, I know him on twitter.

That's about all I know but but as I think jamal said this like What happened to believing all things?

Why do you jump to?

Oh, he's worshiping bail, obviously I I just don't get it like like I've

look maybe i've said this before and if I have you know pointed out to me and and i'll and i'll and i'll consider And repent of it,

but i've tried to never Judge motivations.

I say look Jamar tisby's saying this this is wrong.

I don't know why he's saying it, but he's saying it.

But like they they seem to go only into motivations.

It's just so bizarre.

Yes, it's it's a bearing false witness, you know, exactly exactly it's breaking it's

actually breaking god's commandments man um.

And it's you know, the lord is grieved, you know when this kind of stuff takes place and uh,.

Yeah, so, you know, it's very false witness.

That's that's what I would say.

It's it's uh, it's crazy because the the um, the idea is that

the image of the Brown black and brown person is being denigrated.

But it's okay for those who have been historically denigrated to denigrate.

You know, that's that's okay.

And it's just so twisted man so twisted yeah, man and you know, it's

crazy like.

You know, we know satan blinds the eyes of men, you know and uh, there's times man when

when god will give people over to their sin.

And I really I really believe that there's a blindness in the eyes of these social justice warriors

where they can't.

You you read this stuff and you wonder to yourself.

How can anyone who professes to be a christian believe this?

Um, and it's and and I and I said this when I wrote my article on this topic.

There was I I have no doubt about it that I was a believer, you know, right, right.

But but there there was and it's hard to it's hard to really explain it in words.

But there was there was a fogginess over me.

There was a there was a a cloud over my brain.

It's like my eyes could not see past this issue.

Right, and when they were removed I felt like I was born again.

Like I looked around and and and and jamal knows me really well like jamal saw me jamal and jamal

knew me when I was woke.

And jamal knew me when I was awake you know um.

And and it really man.

It was like night and day and so it's just crazy that this wool over the eyes and.

You know, I don't I don't know what the lord is doing, you know, but he he he is exposing it, you know.

And that's a good thing.

Uh before before I let you talk to all let me just say this.

I was talking to my wife the other night and and I was talking about the the whole david platt thing.

Which i've decided not to comment about.

Because everyone else is and whatever but right, um the whole thing though I I

said this when he was elected and I continue to say it that that that whole episode on sunday.

Is continuing.

I don't think he's doing it intentionally.

But donald trump I thank god for him because he's revealed so much idolatry on both sides.

So much and and and I don't think he does it intentionally.

I think he's just that's just the kind of character he is.

But like god is using him to expose so much.

Yeah, just wickedness and twistedness and and I think what what what you're describing sounds to me.

Edwin like you had like these almost like you had lenses you had like like uh, like um, I don't

know just like it was like a worldview almost that.

That you just saw everything through this lens.

And and trump's election and even on sunday when he went to platt's church.

It just it reveals that so well.

It's just it's it's very helpful in many ways.

Uh, anyway, go ahead jamal.

I don't know if you're gonna say something but go ahead.

Oh, yeah.

I was just say, um, it was funny like, um, I wasn't ever, um in a woke

side out.

I was on the fence for a while.

I remember in a time when edwin when edwin was woke.

Um, he we had this conversation.

He was like, bro, you can't like you gotta pick a side.

When are you gonna have to pick a side?

You can't you can't be neutral.

And I was like, so he was like that friend.

Yeah, he's like he said you can't be straddling the fence on this.

I was woke.

It was cage stage woke and I was like.

And I was questioning because I was like, okay because at the time I was dealing with some things myself I was like, okay.

Well, maybe there is something to this like why can't our culture be expressed in our churches?

I you know, I go to predominantly white church and so I was like, why can't my expression?

Why why can't we have christian rap in for our praise and worship?

Like why we gotta come from the hill?

Why can't we sing old negro spirituals and stuff like that?

Like I was thinking all these things and at one point I remember having a conversation with a couple of brothers.

Oh, you know black brothers and I was like man.

Sometimes I feel like I can't be myself around my my fellow members of my church.

I can't be me like hey speak like I speak.

I gotta I gotta tone it down and it was like oh brother.

You gotta read ephesians read ephesians and know about and learn your identity and you know, i'm like, yeah, okay.

Because i'm reading ephesians.

I'm like, oh this telling me what I should already know as being a christian.

And I realized and I started thinking about within myself at this time and I was like.

Maybe it's me.

Like I go to church and my my brothers have never said to me jamal don't say yo.

Like don't call me bro.

Call me brother.

You don't sound like they like they've never said that to me.

Why do I feel like I can't talk how I talk around my friends my homies, right?

And so it's like why do I do that?

It's me and it's not them.

And so as I so I put that to practice.

I just put it to practice.

I said lord help me to Enter iraq with my fellow white brothers and sisters and let me see if this really is in my own heart.

And as I began to go to go to church and when I see them like it's like hey brother.

Jamal's like I said, what up, bro?

And then i'll be happy.

It's like I said, what's up?

And they what and they love me.

I'm like, oh.

This whole time it was always me.

It was me that was causing my own trauma.

It wasn't them you know saying but you know and it's like I expressed to somebody.

I remember talking to a guy who's on the social justice side and we was having this conversation I expressed to my uh, my experience and he was

like, well, he's like that's that's that's that's you.

You don't sound like, you know, like you just you that's that's you say that's your experience stuff like that, man.

Like like they you know, they still man.

You just not seeing it.

I'm like, what is that to see?

Right, you know, right but and and the thing about that that i've always found interesting is like because I actually talked to somebody yesterday that said the Same thing

like oh i'm so glad that you've been able to sort of rise above but there's so many people who can't and i'm like, yeah

and and and I think all of us would agree.

I mean, I don't want to speak for you, but If there's somebody that that is really facing A

group where they can't speak like they normally would they have to code switch?

Otherwise, they're not accepted.

You know like like that's not good.

We we don't want that.

But but but what i'm saying is it doesn't make the solution any different the solution

is You know, we have that unity in christ.

We all have to recognize that white black whatever.

And and and and the solution is not okay.

Let's show partiality the other way and center de -center whiteness and then we'll show them like that's not

the solution.

You know what I mean?

Um anyway.

Yeah, and it's crazy to me man.

I mean this has been said So many times, you know about different brothers, but it's just crazy to me

man.

How we we have these categories of whiteness and non -whiteness I remember, uh,

dear brother michael foster.

Um.

When I was woke, I remember he was one of the brothers that was instrumental to uh, helping me be awakened.

Was uh, he and I would go back and forth on messenger and uh, I remember sticking to my

guns saying um you know white this white that whiteness and he he was like,

what what's that mean, you know, like like what what what does that mean like you know and and

and and it really hit me because I know.

A lot of this has to do with culture, you know, I know I know White people by

color right whatever that means that a hood.

You know, like they they straight hood.

I know I know I know black.

I know black people that are that are you know, just they're into to to um, you know,

really proper heavy metal or proper, you know i'm saying and it's like Man that that's all a

testament to being created in the image of god.

Regardless of the color of your skin.

You know, that's what the culture has, you know used throughout history to create a divide

among us.

And we can appreciate our culture.

But all of that should reflect the glory of god.

You know and these differences that we have among us based off of Pigment of

skin is absolutely foolish and divisive and it's it's stupid.

It's from the devil, man.

You know.

All right, man.

Well, by the way, michael michael foster I think is how I we got introduced to be honest If I remember

correctly.

If he introduced us, yeah.

All right.

Let me switch to the window here.

Hold on.

Okay, so this is on the same topic, you know someone someone, you know, uh.

Puts out body bachem stuff.

Hey.

Yeah I've i've seen so so this is interesting because they you know, they see this guy seems to respect vod.

Good good good on him, right?

And and here's what he says.

He says I respect him.

Blah blah blah.

However, three words accurately.

So i'm missing the point.

It seems like he acts hasn't after actively listened to many well -formed thoughts of the opposite side.

Okay, fair enough.

And then here's the comments right and we've got like like you said edwin look at the emojis.

Here's the comments.

Yeah, go ahead.

Go ahead.

No, I want to hear what you have to say there were times when I was in that group when.

I I didn't even maybe watch the video.

But you look at the emoji and it tells you all right people who watch this video.

This is the signal so i'm not even going to get triggered by watching it.

Hmm.

Yeah, okay anyway.

So here's here's here's the comment.

I wrote off his voice on the matter once I saw his signature on the statement of social justice.

Here we go.

He said I'd be lying if I if I say if I didn't say it's tainted everything he and

his affiliates have spoken on since everything.

You know, one of the things that I I got schooled on this recently, you know, look I haven't done this.

I've been trying to think of videos that I can put out.

About how I was wrong about something like I want to I want to like show people that I I feel like I could be wrong.

But I haven't really thought of anything because i'm just right all the time.

Anyway, but but here's something I got schooled on recently because I was thinking like this like oh man.

There's this guy who said these things and now everything he ever told me was tainted.

This is someone in my personal life, right?

Like I I'm not gonna listen to and he has nothing of value to say to me.

And you know what somebody schooled me I think actually I think this was michael foster who schooled me on this he said to me he said.

He said jesus Said that the pharisees even the pharisees the enemy in the in the

new testament.

He said to them Listen to what they tell.

You don't listen to what they do.

He said you should listen to what they say, but they don't they don't practice what they preach.

So don't do what they do.

Do what they say and so what that means is that even the enemy.

Of the in the new testament the pharisees they're always put up as the enemy.

They have things of value to say so this whole idea of like well if they say one wrong thing now the whole thing's tainted.

That's that's baloney.

But anyway, but I just wanted to say that I was wrong about that because I was starting to think that way about people.

And that's we can't think that way just because somebody has something wrong to say doesn't mean you can't listen to anything.

They have to say anyway.

You know, it's interesting, uh concerning with vody.

When he came he came down to columbus and did a conference here for erratic and grace.

And being able to sit down with him.

It was interesting like uh.

You could tell when like during this time, especially during time.

He was doing all these sermons on this subject.

He was getting weary of it.

Yeah, I can see like, um, it's you know I knew you said earlier how on both sides there are some issues.

And it seemed like he was only like he was mainly getting invited to churches to speak on this subject when he would rather speak on

Christ and speak about the glory of god and the goodness of god and the grace of god.

But yet people want him to come just to speak on this subject.

And it was getting weird for him to just even speak on this because it's just how messed up it is.

And so like the people that think evil of him in this sense is like as if He feels good

about all of this, right?

You know like, you know as if like, oh, I just can't wait to go bash some more black people.

Like no, like, you know, like he really wants to talk about like things that are like just like just glorifying god.

But it's like this has to be addressed.

It has to be right, you know.

Yeah, well and I I think that you know, a lot of people that watch my videos uh, I shouldn't say a lot but there are some

people that watch my videos that.

And and i'm sure you get the same thing that they think it's like easy to do this.

And it's like we just we just we just relish in it.

It's like fun.

It's like a sport to us.

And I don't know about you guys I won't speak for you but it's it like.

This is like my this is like my thing.

This is what my channel is about but It's not like the most fun thing.

I'd rather be doing other things.

I'd rather have no channel to be honest with you.

Yeah, it was interesting.

It's like, um, you brought up my the woke brother skit I did before and um, but see I

I made that as a it was like out of frustration.

It was like it wasn't like I got on there like oh, let me find some stuff that I can.

You know go make some fun of this idea.

You know edwin edwin's the one who shared that articles with me.

And when I saw that I was I on up on marco polo.

I said I said bro Please don't tell me these are real articles.

He was like, yes.

Tell me this is babylon b.

Please.

Yeah, he was because he he meant like he followed me literally everyone was like jamal.

I'm, so sorry.

That you gotta wait 30 percent longer to cross the street than white people.

And i'm like bro, what are you talking about?

And he told me those are real articles.

And I just like I I had to address at that point, but it's most out of frustration.

Like no, this isn't fun.

Like I don't have a lot of content on my channel dealing with this subject.

You know when I do is it is like it's heartbreaking.

You know saying because most of the people i'm talking about when i'm talking about the subject are people who are christian.

You know, it's like and it's mostly just my disbelief that this is something that now we're going that we've gotten as far and.

And it's funny because I don't see well, let me be clear what i'm saying here I know where the light is, right?

Like we know the end is christ, you know.

And like he may be using all of this to separate the wheat from the tare.

He may be using all of this to show us where the wickedness is still out in our hearts.

But we need to come to him more, you know and turn to him and all these things but like the end of all this

without the turning is like.

It's just all it is is division.

You know and if it doesn't get addressed and if people don't turn from it, it's just going to divide divide divide.

You know, there's I don't like having this ideology.

There's no way for us to find out there's no common ground here.

You know, it's because we're we're we're going to cause an issue here.

Theologically concerning what we see concerning god's providence and so forth and everything else and how we should love our neighbor and all these

things.

Yeah, man, good stuff, man.

Good stuff.

All right, let me uh, let me switch back here.

This is still talking about vadi that that that thing.

Now here's here's a white bro, here's a white brother and look at the look at the look at the reactions.

This is the people were liking this money came in clutch.

Okay.

He says I didn't listen to vadi's talk I did read the dallas statement if he hasn't repudiated the dallas statement

I'm, really not interested in what he has to say.

The bible is full of discussion about justice if you want to use a different term fine.

But you cannot biblically repudiate the concept of justice and say biblical.

Justice is not simply about individuals.

It also has to be about communities and involve social aspect.

What I find so amazing about this and the reason why I wanted to make sure to do this it uh to put this one on the screen

is because.

First of all I mean this guy he nailed it when it comes to this group.

They love this.

Yeah, but it's it's it's just a complete lie if you know about the dallas statement, right?

Because the dallas statement is pretty simple and it's pretty basic and it's really not that controversial unless

you're totally woke the dallas statement in fact says justice Is a not

only is it a biblical concept, but it's a requirement for christians.

It is something that we have to establish and and and for him to say that the reason why he

won't listen to vadi's because he signed the dallas statement and you can't repudiate the concept of justice and That's what the essentially implying.

That's what the dallas statement does.

It's just a bold -faced lie.

Or he just doesn't know and he's just you know, hearing what he's, you know, repeating what he's been told, but it's just crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah, anyway, let's let's go on here.

Oh, here's a good one.

Vadi ruckus bockham.

Hey, i'ma let me say something that person right there.

Uh, wesley.

Um.

And I meant to redact this by the way, but you can go ahead and talk.

I don't I don't know if he's a christian, bro.

I don't and I I don't I don't know.

I don't know but I i've had interactions with him in that group man, and it flat out.

Racist.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, i'll tell you what i've redacted.

He's been a lot of the ones that have been commenting here.

I've redacted most of my.

That was an accident.

Did not redact him.

But yeah, his comments have been among the worst that we've been talking about.

He's a prominent person in there like a voice in there.

Yeah, that's just ridiculous.

That's just ridiculous.

All right, let's go to this one.

This is the next one and this is about uh, our samuel say, you know and samuel what I love

about samuel is uh is that you know, he's he's so like from a tone

perspective and from uh, You know, he's that prototypical person.

He's like, oh man that that brother's loving man.

He he really wants to do what's right.

He really wants to say the right thing and and I love that about him because he's measured.

And I I feel like I have a lot to learn from samuel to be perfectly honest if you watch this samuel I feel like I have a lot to

learn from you um.

Because he's uh, I always make fun of this term, but i'll i'll use it in a you know in a good way.

He's very winsome in my opinion anyway.

Here's the article and this is actually something that you were just talking about jamal where you said that uh.

That you you kind of came to terms with that there might have maybe there's sin in my own heart.

About this this article is actually about that where he talks about he was in a situation where I don't know the

exact thing but I guess there's a white woman there and and you know in his opinion.

She was like being kind of like racist towards him and he's wondering.

Hey, maybe she's just doing that because i'm black but really it's like.

But maybe i'm just thinking about this because she's white like you know what I mean?

Like maybe he's thinking it's my own heart.

And so this guy's like this is an annoying article.

So that that introspection about maybe examining your own self to this guy that's annoying.

Whoa, but anyway, let's look at some of the reactions here.

And again, like this is a good uh, you know i've read I read this when he put it out.

This is a good article.

Honestly, like anyway.

Here's uh, here's here's wesley again I'm glad it was a short article and I read it quickly

because i'll never get that couple minutes back.

Oh poor man, that's his uh, that's his response, you know, whatever um.

Let's see this article enables white racists instead of calling them to repentant.

So so even though in the article samuel saying I don't I have no idea if this woman's racist or not.

He's saying no, no she was she she she needs to repent, you know what I mean?

Unbelievable.

Well.

See that's and we up there when he said um back in that comment he said If you could pull it up again.

Yes, okay, he said his article in what he says, uh, no, no, not that not there.

Where is it?

Oh, yeah, I see.

It's right there.

He says the christ honoring way to analyze this in my opinion is to conclude that the brother has been exposed

to a christianity that equates white culture to christianity and has Internalized white perception

and norms as a baseline.

So it's like as a black man if I don't agree with the norm then that's my issue and I mean I

alluded to this earlier when we was having a conversation it's like Because I don't agree with this then it's because i've

internalized white perception.

It can't be like edwin was saying earlier.

Like god has made us all unique.

You know, like, you know, this is all because our color of our skin doesn't equate the fact that I gotta be a certain way.

Like what is it?

Like, you know, why does we have to say that this is black?

This is white when it's dealing with a person's personality.

You know, but because I feel that way i've internalized white perception.

You know, well, i'll tell you what i'll tell you what jamal like you're right.

And and not only that me and edwin we got we got a one up on you because God chose to

reveal himself in brown skin not black.

So hey.

Me and edwin got you know.

Yeah, man, you know.

Now listen, no, but you're exactly right now that that that was.

That's a good comment because I honestly didn't even I didn't even catch that but that whole idea of internalizing it

that like like Us three let's just be honest the the criticism that that that they would have of

us is that we've internalized this perception.

Like you were just saying to such a degree that we don't even know it.

All right.

All right.

No, absolutely.

Yeah, and and so we would be um, you know, we.

We would be a disgrace to.

Yeah, the the color of our skin.

So, you know our our ancestors would be ashamed of us because

We don't we don't we.

We basically believe the white lie, you know the majority culture.

You know here's uh, here's um.

This guy right here.

This is like basically voldemort.

You can't name him.

Um, we got chocolate knocks here we got votey.

But we can't name this guy.

Um.

And uh, so here's someone who shares this and there I guess they were taught.

I honestly haven't listened to this.

I I don't think I have anyway.

I guess they were talking about jamar and uh tyler yeah, and uh and so.

They're here.

Here's a white guy.

Do you know the time mark dude?

He should have waited.

For some he should have waited for someone to ask a question.

This is actually a violation.

He you know, he he he's the I know that guy.

He's the uh.

He's the producer of the show.

Oh, that's right.

I knew he looked familiar.

I knew he looked okay.

He gets a pass.

He gets a pass.

He did not violate the rules.

Maybe he did still I don't know.

Uh, all right.

Here we go.

This is it.

This is his woke take.

I listened for a minute and then I turned it off.

I have thoughts, but I don't know how constructive so i'll pass i'll give it a full listen later.

There there's his uh, very astute and very uh comprehensive response.

Let's see, what else we have.

Can we get vadi on the show pass the mic.

Here's tyler.

I did not redact tyler on purpose because he's one of the leaders.

He's already been on the show a while back and I think we'll let those episodes stand.

His appearance on pass the mic.

Pretty funny.

I like that that that i'm not i'm not going to criticize for that.

It's funny.

Did you guys listen to that did you guys hear that one.

Vodi on pass the mic.

I haven't heard that one.

I'm gonna look for i'm gonna look for that one.

That probably is interesting.

Yeah, i'm definitely searching for that.

I wonder I wonder if that was back when they were reformed though.

Yeah, it would have been for sure.

I thought this is a good one.

I saw doug wilson.

Oh, I named him.

Oh.

Sorry guys.

Sorry guys.

I didn't mean to do it.

I saw doug wilson in the picture and decided to play xbox instead of read the article that sounds about right.

Wow.

All right, this one I thought was interesting honestly don't even know how I want to comment on this.

So i'll just let you guys do it.

This is tyler burns again.

Yo, we family right y 'all.

Just want to say something quickly.

Please don't let people convince you that white middle -aged reformed men are the best preachers in america because they're quote

doctrinally sound.

It ain't never been true fam.

That's all.

Now this is a hard one to interpret.

Because it almost sounds like he's saying It's never been true that they're doctrinally sound.

But maybe i'm misinterpreting that what do you guys think this means?

Um, if I if I if I can try to be um middle ground here and be try to be a little fair in this I guess.

Try to say Uh, you know trying to hope all things in this sense in this point.

It's like do it do it.

I Convince you that just if you want, I guess we would put just because are we like, you know, cool.

But because we know this comment came as you know as and I when I see comments like this i'm thinking about I'll make I know

they're talking about these, you know, our white brothers who are leaders, you know and stuff like that.

But I said that white middle -aged reforming are the best preachers in america because they're doctrinally sound.

You know, it ain't never been true and it's like so.

It's like automatically you make you skeptical of every white middle -aged reformed man.

You know saying like right they can be doctoring time.

But what about black.

Middle -aged reformed men.

Well, we don't we just see some of those but they were called uh, sambo and and ruckus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It ain't never it ain't never been true fam.

It ain't never been true and so, you know, and it's and that's been it's.

It's crazy because everything is like how do we how do we determine if somebody's doctrinally sound.

Not whether they're white middle -aged or the black middle -aged or reformed in a sense or they claim reformed in a title.

Is what lines up with scripture, right?

Right.

That's it lines of scripture.

So if Christians should be mature enough to know.

Hey, i'm not believe i don't think you're doctrinally sound because you're a white middle -aged.

And you call yourself reformed, right?

I think I I think you're doctrinally sound because i've heard your sermons I listen to you teach and I compare that what scripture teaches

and i'm convinced that it's lining up correctly.

You know as christ as scripture being the standard not your sermon.

You know and it's like come on.

It's like come on, man in a way of me, I I want to say that's childish and I just.

That's me.

I think I was like that's childish to say something like that.

Especially in a forum like this when everybody's going to be agreeing like oh, yeah.

Amen brother, you know.

White down down.

I said this in a world brother skate, but I uh, it was funny.

But I meant it's like it's like down with whiteness up with blackness.

Like that's what it is.

Right, you know and it's it's childish and and honestly the the kind of the uh.

The hidden sort of like uh assumption there is that like.

The only way because because i'm going to take them at their word That their goal is equality.

I I you know, I know there's a lot of evidence to the contrary especially in this group because again They have it within their

power to make an equality situation in this group because they're in charge, right?

The woke people are in charge in this group.

So everyone woke has it within their power to make this like a a a new eden of

equality, right?

But they don't do it.

So there's evidence of it to the contrary, but let's just take it at the word that they want equality.

There's a hidden assumption that the only way to achieve it is to hold Certain people down.

And raise certain people up.

There's no way to achieve it.

Otherwise.

And I don't think that's the biblical witness on this.

I don't think that's how we achieve these things.

We achieve it through not showing partiality.

At least that's how I would attempt to do it.

And there's so much insecurity in all this man because The idea is that white people are so far

ahead that Us pushing them down and pushing us

forward still doesn't even get them get us close enough to them yet.

It's so it's so weird because like Look and and and don't get me wrong I acknowledge the reality of the

income inequalities or the income disparities and the wealth disparities like look.

Those are all real like puerto rican families have less income than white families black families have less income than white.

I get that.

But but that I I don't look at that as a matter of capabilities like it's not like we're not capable of

it.

It's that we you know, maybe we started with less and so obviously we're going to have less

so so the but the reality is like like it almost seems like some of the

people from this other perspective look at it almost as a capability thing like it's like on if we don't do

anything drastic and hold certain people down it'll never be even because It's it's it's unfair at

the at the start like we don't have the same abilities almost.

It's kind of white supremacist in my opinion to think in this way it is.

Yeah, anyway, let me let me do this.

So, um, we'll probably go for another 10 -15 minutes you guys good for that much time.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah all right, so um.

Actually, I don't want to cut anyone off.

Did anyone have anything else to say before we move on?

No, the privileged voices have spoken the privilege, okay.

I couldn't help it.

We are all privileged in this place.

Well This little this little uh live stream.

This is this is this is what a quality looks like now.

I'm in charge though.

I'm in charge of this.

Hold on now because what we really need to what we really need to figure out is Our intersection.

How the intersectionality works in here.

Maybe we'll do that at the end.

That's a good idea.

That's a good idea.

I like that.

I'll do that.

I'll tell you what though.

Let me before actually before we move on.

Let me just say.

Both of you guys have hair.

I do not.

And it's not really by choice if you could see my hair lines.

And that is a disadvantage.

I will say hey, I got something to spare I would grow mine out like

that, but I I have a hard time like it's a little it's a little splotchy underneath anyway.

All right.

Let me just this is so so this is what happens when you push back now now.

Um, Unfortunately the guy who gave me these things got kicked out of the group.

Shortly after he sent me this stuff and I think it's because he became friends with me uh on facebook.

Um, I tried to join by the way I tried to join this group and I reached out to Pass the mic uh the

witness to just get their take because I you know I didn't want to do this without asking them.

You know what I mean?

Obviously, I never heard back.

On either front.

But anyway, so this is a thread here.

That was on the regular pass the micro this is not 101 and um.

It's just like a bunch of screenshots.

And it's someone that's talking to a you know, hypothetical conversation with a white kid about white supremacy

um anyway, so I'm assuming I can't really tell from this small picture, but it looks like this is a black

guy.

And and he and he pushes back.

And he starts to ask some questions that I guess were not appropriate.

And I guess you could tell because nobody liked them.

And um.

And so, you know, they went back and forth a little bit.

And and he's he's being very respectful like he's obviously pushing back, but he's being very respectful

and um.

Here's the response that I wanted to show.

Laughing my ass off.

This nigga is a coon lml.

Ayo.

Wow, and and I gotta be honest with you and this by the way this uh, this stop it here.

That's not a rebuke.

That's just like oh you stop it.

You know what I mean?

Like Yeah laughing and I gotta be honest with you like like look I know people

speak in these terms look this this doesn't.

It doesn't offend me in the sense that like oh i'm the i'm clutching my pearls.

I can't Stand to see this language.

I've heard this language many times, you know, and I've you know, i've experienced it in person you know this kind of language

and.

But but I just wanted to just point out look not everyone in this group necessarily is a christian.

I get that.

But this is a christian group and and and just to see these laugh reacts and no condemnation of it.

No, it's just so shocking and and this guy you could see.

That there's been no look i'm gonna scroll down here.

There's been no prior interaction here like it's not like He goes y 'all know me like he's like.

You don't we haven't been talking like like how could you just say that from this one conversation, right?

Right and he's just like look i've been respectful.

You don't know me to suggest i'm and it means kuna expect an apology look

i'm, just gonna say like This is this is this is the fruit of this nonsense.

A black guy doesn't necessarily agree with you on all things.

It's not this is not even a white guy like this is not.

It's he doesn't agree with you on everything.

He obviously is part of this group because he's interested in the topic.

He pushes back a little bit and the response is this nigga's a coon.

Yep I mean Can't we do better than this like can't we talk this out like people

I I just don't get it.

Well, it's funny, you know, it's it's interesting in this.

I don't I don't want to switch gears, but this this is an interesting.

Um.

Take care because and i'm saying this partly joking but notice notice how the word is spelled.

There's no there's no er at the end.

It's a a Right, uh, and and that's significant because it is it it's a it's

okay for it to be used from a black person.

And this this isn't racist, you know, which which is interesting.

I heard uh, uh coats ta -nehisi coats, uh.

When I was woke Give a lecture on this conversation about the usage of that word

and why white people are not allowed to use the word when they're.

You know singing songs um, and why black it's okay for black people to use it so.

This the way we're looking from the perspective.

We're looking at it is is this is on christ -like speech Right for for for them.

This is this is a cultural thing and this is acceptable because this we're being true to who we are

as our as as in our culture and and uh it's

it's wrong because.

It doesn't exemplify christian speech, you know, and the fact that it isn't the fact

that nobody rebukes you um or Puts a negative emoji.

Is you know troubling?

It's so it's so stupid that we're talking about emojis.

I get it.

But like this is a big deal in this group.

In fact, there's rules about it, right?

Right.

Yeah.

Oh man, no, that's a good point and you're right, you know, I I get it it's part of the culture that that's fine but

but at the end of the day like If you're christian, right and you're black It shouldn't be part

of the culture.

Nope.

Nope you know what I mean like like Just like i'm trying to

think of i'm trying to think of a of a of a Analogy in in in white culture, but I can't really think of one.

But but um, well, you know puerto ricans use that word too.

I mean my my family my family uses that word and it's okay.

You know what?

I mean?

Yeah.

No, absolutely.

Yeah, I probably couldn't get away with it anymore, especially after these youtube.

Well, you know what ad you.

You've become white now you might put an er at the end yeah.

So be careful.

Somebody comments say so you're gonna be demonetized.

Right, right.

We uh, yeah this I might get this channel might be deleted but based on what I just said Fyi, because they don't care if

it's in context or not.

If you say the word you're the wrong person.

It's over.

All right.

Well, let me just let me just do this i'm gonna actually Give uh before I i'm gonna do two more

things.

But actually this one actually gave me a little bit of hope.

All right.

So so guys honestly, like This this next screenshot gives me a little bit of hope even

though it's a little ridiculous.

I'm not joking.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

This is ali henry again and and ali I mean, honestly if you follow follow her twitter feed and her podcast, it's just

ridiculous.

But but this is so this is for people of color only she only wants to get opinions from black people.

Okay, fine I get it.

And she says that she says respond honestly to this poll.

And comment on any additional thoughts you have.

I found the time of white silence to be helpful now.

Let me just scroll down a second white silence.

Here we go.

So here's what she says about white silence or he I can't tell if it's a guy or a girl because I blocked out the name.

Occasionally the moderating team in the main group will ask for white members to observe the discipline of silence.

Whether it be in a single post or in the hope group as a whole.

It's not intended to be punitive.

But rather to give people of color a respite because people of color as you guys know I'm sure they're very sensitive.

They need a little rest from white people.

So you just be silent during a time of silence, okay?

Not only that but not only should you sound but you're supposed to be meditating and praying because this is a discipline.

This is a spirit like it's almost a spiritual discipline to just be just to shut up because you're white now.

That's a bad thing.

But but here's the so so here's the poll.

I found it to be helpful.

I expected when I read this poll that I expected everyone would agree.

But really not everyone agrees and i'm so grateful for that 35 votes for I agree that white people

shutting their mouths is helpful.

And almost the same amount disagree.

I was very I was very happy about that.

Now the problem is that if you look at the strongly agree it kind of tips the scales a little bit but

I honestly was very happy to see this that most people Either were neutral or disagreed.

Honestly did not expect that and that gives me some hope to be honest.

Yeah.

That's a good take to look at that.

Um, i'm glad you really brought that out because when I first seen it I just saw the lonely person who said strongly agree.

We strongly disagree.

There's only one person.

This is one.

One person is by themselves.

I wish they were strongly disagrees and I and that's the only thing I looked at but i'm glad you brought that out and that's.

That's a good thing to look at and that's.

I guess we could look at the glass half full at that point.

It's like man.

They're you know.

There's there are people in here who are you know.

And I think about when I look at the disagree now that you bring it up in the neutral is like maybe they're people Who are wrestling with this whole thing?

Yeah, man, you know, that's right.

They're really maybe really wrestling with it all as far as like hey, do I really not value?

Anyone else's opinion on things or you know, they have this conversation.

So that's really good.

I'm glad you really brought that out because I didn't see that.

I didn't.

I didn't see that myself in the first when I first looked at that screenshot.

Yeah, man, and and honestly like That that's who I hope this video affects like honestly don't have

any I look i'm a realist even though i'm i'm post -millennial.

So I am an optimist in general.

But I don't have any you know false.

I don't think i'm going to convert, you know, jamar tisby.

I don't think he's going to see the error of his ways here.

He's built an empire here.

It's a small one, but he's he's building and you know, he's I don't think he's going to change his ways based on my video

I think he will eventually I mean at least I hope he does.

But um, i'm i'm more i'm worried about the people that are involved in this group or people that are following jamar

um that are that neutral category like man, there's something going on the united states like there's some racism, but

i'm, just not so sure this is the way like I know there's a lot of people out there and I trust I trust that there are a lot of people out there

like that.

And hopefully they'll they'll see some value in this, you know what I mean?

And just to encourage you and for those who are listening as well watching.

If I would have made that if I would have answered that poll, I probably would have put agreed where I was.

Right, I probably wouldn't have put strongly agreed, but I probably would have put agreed.

So you think about the people that are in the agreed category?

The lord Opened my eyes to the folly of this movement.

And it was it was brother.

It was brother ad and brother and other brothers.

Who were were actively pushing back against my ideas?

That stemmed from this this movement the past the mic 101 the past the mic

podcast truth table.

All that and I was in it and god took me out of it.

And so there's there's hope man.

There's hope.

All right, bro.

Let's uh, let me just do this.

This is the last thing we'll show for tonight.

And uh, there's other things that I could show but we got to wrap this up eventually.

This is the work you have to do.

So so so I want to just show this is so preposterous.

There's articles you have to read there's there's assignments you have to do in fact.

There's a a screenshot that I I skipped.

About one of these assignments that you have to do if you're white.

And it's just so crazy.

It's like well think write something down and think about what you're saying and and make sure that you're not centering whiteness and

me.

You know, it's just so crazy.

Anyway, but look at this.

This is unit one.

You know, here's the group.

You got to learn how to interact and pass the mic and the witness you got to learn about the witness and the history of the witness.

The podcast.

Here's we privilege voices, you know, how should I engage?

Why do we privilege voices?

It's just it's just it's just endless like How should I engage in this 10 ways white people can stop annoying

people of color on social media code of ethics?

Yeah, because guys we're very sensitive.

I don't know if you guys knew this but you're supposed to be very sensitive on social media hot dog that.

Wow.

I missed that.

I missed that screenshot.

Whoa.

We got helpful code of ethics learning to listen.

Look, it just keeps going.

And this is the thing that that that ally was talking about.

I don't want it to look like segregation.

But you know you white you whitey's better learn how to do this stuff.

And it's just like it's just so crazy like look at this stuff this honestly brother this stuff right here.

This is if you can see past this and think about their foundation of

The the theology that they're adhering to when they do things like this.

Yeah, what it what is what is that which you just showed?

What does that say about?

Justification by faith.

What does that say about?

Sanctification.

Right.

What what what does that say about the union we have with christ?

What does that say about us being joint heirs with jesus christ?

What does that say about the local church?

What is that you see when you when you see that it undermines the word of god.

It undermines the word of god and and you cannot have Christian unity and christian fellowship

where any of that is because it's not of god.

Amen, yeah, that's so true.

And and I one of the things I often think about is where paul says man I wish I could quote it.

I'm so bad at quoting but Where he says that you you weren't a nation, but now you're a nation you weren't a people

but now you're a people and and to think that you would to people that Are supposed to be

your citizens your co -citizens your co -heirs like like you just said edwin like and this is

What you're trying to do in order to I don't know get appeasement of some kind like Like

can you can you imagine apostle paul doing anything like this even even from a from a from a from a

first, uh, from a.

From like an early christian context like you don't have to do it exactly like this, but anything like this.

Do you think he would approve anything like this?

No, not at all.

I can't imagine it.

I just can't imagine it.

So are we a nation or not?

Are we a people or not?

Are these your brothers or not?

Right, and it enforces legalism.

You know it does it enforces legalism.

And that's a good point.

All right.

That's a good point so Let me just uh, i'll let you guys talk, you know some more and we're

gonna wrap this up.

But but that's what I wanted to share today, you know, and and like I said, I mean i've got like 200 screenshots.

So here here's some final words that I will say and then i'll let the brothers talk a little bit too.

So number one is that This is this is the tip of the iceberg.

So this stuff is it's just a small facebook group.

But as edwin said, you know, this is this is a place that people are being discipled.

It's just that simple people are being discipled in facebook groups like this and it Ought not to be that way, but it

is that way um, and so we we need to really take this seriously just a small facebook group, but the

reality is that If this is what the social justice woke crowd is doing with just a little bit of

power.

What do you think is going to happen when they take control of larger situations larger churches and

things like that?

It's going to be disastrous I would say this When it comes to social justice unredacted

if you have things like this.

That you know about that that are that are right now in darkness and they need to be brought to light.

Go ahead and email me i'm setting up an email address just for this kind of a thing I won't I'm not look

i'm i'm not going i'm not trying to embarrass anybody I'm not trying to hurt anybody's careers or anything like that.

Nothing like that.

I'll redact things if I need to.

I I I withhold the right to redact on social justice unredacted but Um, here's the email address that I want you to

send it to if you have anything like this.

It's sjw Unredacted at gmail .com.

Sjw unredacted at gmail .com.

Send it to me and i'll take a look at it.

And you know i'll decide look i'm not perfect.

But i'll decide whether or not to share it and all that i'll decide what to redact or or you can even do it Anonymously if you'd like that that's totally fine.

But but I think that people need to really see what's going on behind the scenes here.

This isn't this is important.

Um, and uh I I I mean, I hope you I hope that our conversation has kind of showed that

this is important, especially edwin.

You know, honestly, I asked edwin to join me tonight.

And I didn't even know he was part of this past the might group and when I found out that he had he was Like I knew that it

was a blessing that he was going to be on here because he has kind of that inside Track of someone who was kind of woke in this

group and what his thought process was because if it was you know, edwin's not you know, A special case like i'm sure if it was his thought

process.

It was a lot of people's thought process.

Anyway, so that's what i'll say sjw unredacted at gmail .com send me Um anything you want to and and

we'll talk about how to how to expose it the other thing i'll say.

Um, and i'll and i'll end with this if you want to see this for yourself.

Here's what I recommend.

I recommend you attempt to join past the mic 101.

Yeah now now I I'll say this.

Please hear this part.

Do not be rude to them.

Do not be angry with them.

Do not you know do any don't harass anybody.

Nothing like that.

Go ahead and join the group join past the mic on facebook as well.

You'll have to answer a few questions about decentering whiteness and stuff like that to get in.

Go ahead and join the group.

And I think this will have two two two results number one.

You'll see for yourself what goes on there.

You can research whatever you want.

There's a search function.

You can search whatever you want.

I I I had uh, my uh, my my my mole.

Searched james cone quotes and people were quoting james cone and I was glad that they said he was not orthodox.

That was good.

But you know, anyway, so go ahead and join it.

So you'll you'll find out for yourself what's going on?

And also the other thing that could happen is they might put a moratorium on accepting people into that group because.

Too many people join at once and they know they're doing it for this reason.

And I say so be it.

I say so be it if they have to stop letting people in that group.

That's less people that they can Turn into this deranged version of christianity.

So don't be rude.

Don't harass go ahead and join that group.

They won't let the likes of me in there.

They won't let edwin in there.

They won't let jamal in there, but they might let you in there.

And so see for yourself what goes on?

That's what I would recommend.

Uh Jamal, why don't you kind of give us your final comments edwin and then we'll kind of think uh wrap this

up.

Yeah, so, um as you as you was talking I was just thinking I was like If I could say anything to anybody who may

watch this if they do survive to the end of this conversation.

Is I we love you.

Amen, we love you.

If if we laughed at all in this and I you know I know everyone said this earlier like they're laughing at any of this.

It's not you.

It's the ideology.

It's the thinking it's the thought process of it because like.

It's it is it's foolish.

The thinking is foolish and we want you to see that and from and if you don't listen to

us if you don't listen to ad or me or edwin.

Look to the scriptures look at christ's example.

How did he treat others that how he rebuked his disciples concerning the samaritan woman who spoke to him and everything else like?

How are we treating each other reading the whole council of the new testament?

It's because we love you we want you to come out of this teaching as if.

As if would anyone who's in a cult -like situation not.

I know you said this earlier I did like it seems cultish and and as I read this it does seem cultish.

The only time when your eyes when every time you touch somebody.

Hey, you got to be quiet.

You can't talk your thoughts aren't valued.

Maybe you see that's cult like hey only our voices matter.

You know, this is privileged.

That's cult like they're trying.

It's only allowing to be in this bubble and anything outside of that.

It's not allowed and it's cult like.

You know and so I mean, you know and i'm i'm trying to be careful because I don't want to call the leaders in this group Cult leaders.

That's not the point.

I hope nobody.

You know, so no, it's like that's not what i'm saying is but this is cultish it it has the

same function like you know, um, and so and uh, just we just be mindful of that, you know, um, It's

it's out of love.

Um, it's it's harmful to the body.

This doesn't this there's no way to to be unified with this thinking.

You know, we can't be unified with that thinking, you know and honestly to to hold us even me as a black man my

I can't be myself and stuff like this because I I generally have a lot of me in my way of thinking I'm

always looking at either side, you know trying to draw conclusions and weighing out everything and so.

The groups like this throw out that weighing out just like the brother who commented on abortion.

It's like yeah, you can't have another opinion.

You can't think you can't even ask questions if it's disagreeing.

That's that's called like that's cultish.

So, please just just heed to that and I just hope you search your hearts and really see the error of that and turn to The lord

continue to grow in christ if you're a christian.

Thank you so much for that jamal that that well said.

I could not have said it better myself edwin.

Why don't you go ahead?

Um, I remember when god.

Opened my eyes to the foolery in the woke church movement and.

Right about that time.

My wife and I had just found a church that we were just thankful that the

lord provided for us to go to and Uh, I remember singing.

Um behold our god during the worship service and there was a point when everyone was

singing to the lord and worshiping and I just it's like I was.

I kind of Pulled myself back from the moment and looked around the room.

And I remember looking in the front.

There was an older white lady singing.

And I remember thinking to myself now that from a different perspective looking and saying that's my

sister in the lord.