Highlight: Abby Johnson Changes Position

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Okay. So I'm transitioning here to Abby Johnson. So she, if you don't know who

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Abby Johnson is, she's been one of the premier opponents for us, uh, in the pro -life industry.

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Um, and John actually doesn't know, doesn't know what she said yet. So he's going to hear this for the first time, but, um, she, if you don't know who she is, she's, she's

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Roman Catholic. I've actually done a number of talks where I've, I've mentioned a lot of stuff. She said, um, which is very much, um, anti what we're trying to do.

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And so she's Roman Catholic. She has, you know, a false gospel. And in her, her, um, approach to ending abortion has been very much the woman is a victim.

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Um, that's been one of her biggest things. That's, you know, what we've been talking about, right. They refuse to call the, the mother of victim, um, who's hiring an assassin to, to murder her child.

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Um, and that's why I read the verses I did at the beginning. Um, obviously most people would say, well, yeah, that's the, the abortionist.

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They're, they're the ones we're murdering the child. Yeah. But someone has is paying them to do it. And, um, so we're going to get into the, to the weeds here a little bit with that.

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Um, before I do that, do you guys want to add anything about Abby? I'm, I'm very,

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I was actually, I heard this and I was like, I was like, praise God. Yeah. Like I, I was very encouraged what she was saying because, um, she's, she's been fighting us on this.

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So I was like, all right, she's listening to somebody and like they, they can't keep, uh, the pro -life industry can't keep squashing this and ignoring it.

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They have to have a response at some point. So I'm going to go ahead and pull this clip up. Gabe, if you can get that up, let's see right there.

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Um, I'll go full screen here. Um, so I'm going to go ahead and play it. It's only like a, it's not a very long clip.

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It was taken from a longer interview. Um, but that's going to give us plenty to talk about. So she was on a show called, uh, what was turning point, turning point

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USA. So, uh, here we go. And if, if, if we're going to act like it, then

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I think that, you know, there has to be penalty under the law for, um, for taking the life.

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So I'm going to pause right there. Um, what she's, what she's saying is, um, if we're going to act like it, she means if we're going to act like all lives matter, if the child in the womb is a life is a baby is a human from conception, which she would agree to.

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Um, she's saying if we're going to act like that, there has to be penalties, which yes.

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And amen. A lot of people in the pro -life movement would disagree with you on this. You know, Abby, I know,

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I know they would. Um, now I'm not saying that, you know, we, that we have to lock every woman up or, or whatever.

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That's not what I'm saying, but I, I, I have come to a position where I, I believe that, um, that there does need to be due process.

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Um, and there would be some women who have absolutely been forced and coerced in or just completely ignorant and have no idea, completely ignorant, have no idea what's going on.

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Um, you know, they're for their, their parents have forced them into making this decision.

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Should they be prosecuted? Absolutely not. Um, but there are women who are very knowingly, very selfishly making the decision to have nine, 10, 12 abortions, who are taking abortions on the steps of the

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Supreme court out in the open, who are taking the abortion pill on national TV. Um, do

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I believe that those women should go through some sort of, of possible prosecution for the murder of their child?

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Um, yeah, I think there should be some justice there and I think there should be some due process.

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And, and so I, I, I have sort of come to a different, uh, opinion on that as, as I've watched our, our culture change.

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So again, it wasn't very long, but again, I'm incredibly, incredibly encouraged, uh, by that.

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And again, this goes back to what we were, we were just talking about and what we've been saying for, for a while now is that, um, the, there are, are there women that are coerced going back to Indiana law?

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Yes, absolutely. Are forced to yes, absolutely. Um, but if, if these laws that we're trying to put in into effect actually were voted into place, um, that doesn't just, it would immediately criminalize abortion.

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But what's that mean? What that means is if someone has an abortion, it goes through the justice system, like she's talking about, there is a due penalty to that.

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There would be a trial there. It would go to court, you know, and if the, if it could be proven that she, the mother was coerced, say like, you know, like she mentioned, uh, by her parents, say it's her mom, it's the grandparents then that are guilty, right?

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They're the ones that are guilty of, of murder. Right. Um, or if it's the dad, he's guilty of murder and she would be found innocent.

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That's how murder should be, should be handled in general. Right. And that's, what's not happening.

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That's what the pro -life establishment, pro -life industry is, is not allowing for because they just want to say all women are innocent.

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All women don't know what's happening now. Again, there are exceptions to that. Um, but the rule, like she just said, like there's women on national

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TV, you know, that have had nine abortions. Like that's the rule. That's what, that's what pastors axes day in and day out.

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That's what John's seen day in and day out at the, at the abortion mill is women. They go in there. They know exactly what they're doing.

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Right. Um, the vast majority of, yeah, they're not innocent. They know exactly what's happening. And, and so to hear

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Abby say this and even to like be calling it murder, which the pro -life industry is like, John just gave a perfect example.

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The pro -life industry has been very, very careful not to do that. Um, she just did it. And I, I'm, I, when

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I saw this, like I said, I was blown away and I was like, praise God, this is huge. This is really important. And it, and I'm hoping that the conversation is now shifting, um, to a more biblical perspective away from, uh, this nonsense we're fighting.

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So go ahead, jump in. What do you think, John, about what you just heard Abby say? That's encouraging.

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I mean, it's, it's, it's a, it's a far cry from where she was at just, you know, what, two, three years ago.

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I mean, when, when a lot of the Indian abolitionists were jumping in on our page and she was just instantly just being very childish and being an instantly blocking us, you know, for any dialogue about the issue.

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And it's, it's hard because there's a lot of people in the pro -life movement who I think would move towards abolition, who are, who don't know really where Abby Johnson stood.

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So they thought that Abby Johnson was very much, you know, for that, she would be for abolition. And, and we try to explain to her at the time before this speaking event for Abby, you know, we were just trying to tell people, no,

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Abby Johnson is not for abolition. She has actually been fighting abolition bills historically.

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And so I, I, I mean, I don't look, you know, it's just as, as it is with everybody, I guess I don't,

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I don't, I'm not looking for people to be my enemy. I just want people, I want people to do and address the issue of the pre -born being murdered.

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I want them to address the issue of the Holocaust. Now, if, if our, if our opponents now come on board and are willing to fight with us, then

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I'm all for it. You know, I'm not, I'm not wanting to push people away if they're wanting to come on board and help with this.

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So I'm glad, I'm glad this is a good step in the right direction. You, you brought up a very, very great point.

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I want to just jump on here quickly. That's something that we've been saying for, for a while is we need to win the pro -life industry.

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We need to win those people in there to our position, right? We need to show them, we need to lead the way and show them, this is the correct way to do it.

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This is how God and his word would dictate that we handle this and not make them our enemies.

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And there's, unfortunately, so many people within the abolitionist camp who we would agree with on 99%, probably of, of, of ending abortion that they want to make them our enemies.

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And we're like, no, like, no, I'm not saying everyone in the, that calls himself pro -life I'm, I'm talking just so you know, this, there's so many people that are pro -life.

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I was pro -life. I mean, I still call myself pro -life, but like until we like realized what was going on behind the scenes, you know, pro -life was electing a

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Republican candidates and, you know, hoping that SCOTUS would overturn Roe V Wade.

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That was, that's what the majority of pro -life people think is the way to do it. Um, and we need to win those people because they don't know there's another way.

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They don't know there's a better option. Um, but the, the people that we're talking about that needs to be called repentance would be people like Abby or like the people you mentioned in, in, in Indiana rights of life, um, that are actively, um, blocking these equal protection bills from going into place.

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They're the ones that know exactly what they're doing and are misleading the majority of those in the pro -life camp.

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Um, so I'm glad that I'm really glad. I'm thankful that you mentioned that we don't need to make them our enemies. We need to win them to the truth.

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Yeah. We can't make them our enemies. Right. Cause you're talking about 25 potential candidates for civil magistrate positions in your state.

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How are we going to vote them in without the pro -life movement? Right, right.

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So we want to win them to a proper ideological system that's congruent with scripture, which would be the abolitionist ideological system.

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We want to win them to that, not just attack them because then we'll just galvanize them against us and what we're trying to do.

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Right. So it's attacking an ideological system. You know, the apostle Paul says to tear down these things, but not attacking people.

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I think that's where we went wrong. And I think the way forward, if we're going to vote people into positions of power who we need to be there to see these bills go through, and in your case, vote on these bills to have them go through, we got to win the pro -life movement because they're our voting base.