The Bible vs The Book of Mormon

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I just want to understand what you meant by translation and translation and translation because the Hebrew, the

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Old Testament is primarily Hebrew except for the Septuagint. The Septuagint was written in, it was a Greek translation from scholars for the mostly, yeah,

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Hellenization had taken place by then and... The Gospel to love, you know, bringing the

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Jews' Gospel to the known world at that time. But the New Testament is written in primarily

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Koine Greek. And we go, today, I can get you a copy right now of the Koine Greek. You can translate it from there to English yourself.

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It seemed like you were saying that you believe that the Bible has gone from like, say, Koine Greek to translation to translation to translation to translation and we've just lost it.

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No, no, no. We definitely haven't lost the true meaning. If that's what you thought I was saying, sorry for misspeaking, but just like, as an example, there was the councils that the

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Roman Catholic Church called in the early days of existence where the Roman Emperor wanted the, he wanted the priests of Rome and of the, well,

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I guess Rome was the whole country back then, but he wanted the different Christian sects to kind of come to a consensus of what they believed doctrine was meaning because a lot of them were having conflicting purposes.

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What do you, give me an example. What do you mean by that? I'm forgetting the names, but there were two councils that were called and, and they were of all the, they were of all the different Christian communities of Rome and the

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Roman Empire. And he wanted them to kind of, he got a whole bunch of the priests who were teaching and they got them all together into, and this is the actual thing that happened.

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I'm out of data. I would look it up, the name. You're referring to Nicaea? The Council of Nicaea. What do you think happened there?

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Well, the different sects of people got together, or not sects, that's not the correct term, but different priests of the area and of the church had been teaching different things and they were just, it's sort of like how, he's a

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Mennonite, I'm a Mormon, you are, what sect are you part of? I'm Reformed Baptist.

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Reformed Baptist. Yeah. We all have different sort of views on doctrine. The Roman Catholic Church.

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He and I not so much. Probably not. We've talked about that already.

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We have different views on doctrine. In the early days of the Roman Catholic Church, they needed to come to a uniform sort of belief, so the

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Roman emperor of the time got them together and he wanted them to point by point go through the doctrine that they had and he wanted them to select the beliefs and what they meant and sort of reform.

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Just real fast. What you just said didn't happen. Council of Nicaea, the way you described your understanding of Nicaea, that's not what happened.

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What happened? Just to encourage me, because that often is, I think, and I mean this respectfully, a myth propagated amongst

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Mormons in terms of what took place in the ecumenical councils and things like that. You can research this yourself,

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Nicaea was called specifically to address a man named

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Arius of Alexandria, Bishop Arius, who was teaching essentially that Jesus Christ was the greatest creation of the

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Father, that the Father had created Jesus, which had essentially, of course, not been taught in the Bible.

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The Bible refutes that position and all the other early church unanimously would have rejected that from the earliest stages of the church.

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And so when Arius of Alexandria, a popular bishop, was teaching this, the church gathered together to refute him publicly.

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And the second council of Nicaea was the same thing, or was it...? So the councils were called specifically to deal with heresy.

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And so the churches would gather together to deal with a specific heresy and then essentially formulate a response, a public response, around the scriptures to that heresy.

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And so Council of Nicaea had nothing to do with... So they made up particular guidelines and...

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Yeah, confession. Calling upon heresy. So when you see councils formed, they're essentially forming to refute a heretical belief that was opposed to the scriptures and, of course, the church's whole understanding for centuries.

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Council of Nicaea had nothing to do with books of the Bible. And I'll also encourage you to see that when you say Roman Catholic Church, the

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Roman Catholic Church didn't exist then. It was Catholic, meant universal. I hadn't been taught that.

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I was just inferring. Sure, yeah, yeah. So I just want to give you some encouragement here so you understand how beautiful this is.

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When you talk about translation and translation and translation, right now with the amazing gifts that God has given to us, you and I can pull up an app on our phone and pull up the original

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Greek language from the manuscripts that have been transmitted, and you can translate from the

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Greek to... You can do a translation on the spot. Like for example, in John chapter 1, verse 1, Ἐν ἄρχει ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν προστονθεῶν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

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That's the Greek. And you can do a translation on the spot. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the

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Word was God. That's an English translation from the Greek. Now what's interesting is you made a parallel that I just want to encourage you to think about.

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You made a... Or I'd say a contrast, I should say. You talk about the Bible being translated and translated and translated in terms of its corruption, which actually isn't how it's transmitted to us nor how we translate it.

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But this is interesting. You mentioned the Book of Mormon. You said it was only translated one time. I assume you're meaning from...

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There have been revisions of it and wordings and such. I mean in terms of... I think you meant, you can correct me if I'm wrong, that it was written in Reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics and Joseph translated it into English.

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But when he published the 1830 version, he said that it was the most correct book of any book on earth, and that a man can get closer to God by obeying its precepts than any other book.

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That's true. And yet, from 1830 till today, that's less than 200 years, it's changed 4 ,000 times.

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There's 4 ,000 changes from the 1830 version, which is the most correct book of any book on earth. Do you know what those changes were, though?

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Yeah, doctrinal changes, entire sections and sentences taken out. They're not spelling errors and things like that, like you're often told.

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It said that, let's see what it was, they put the son in, where he was the eternal

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God, and then they put in later the son of the eternal God. Right. There's significant doctrinal changes, sections taken out, things like that.

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Benjamin was dead, and they thought that he was dead, so they actually brought these,

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I think it was some records for him to translate, and they realized later on, I don't know what year it was, when they put it back to Mosiah.

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18... Oh, you're talking about the Book of Mormon? Yeah. Originally, it was written as King Benjamin was translating his place, but he had already died, and they realized there was supposed to be

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Mosiah in that. Yeah, so errors, anachronistic stuff, errors of history, changes in those ways.

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And so the point is, I just want to encourage you with this, the Bible had said long before Joseph came along, it said that the grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our

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God stands forever. Jesus talked about his words in terms of it never falling away. He said, heaven and earth will pass away, my words will by no means pass away.

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That's how he talked about what he said. Now, when Joseph came along, he taught that the Bible had been corrupted, and that essentially the church had fallen away, needed to be restored, and the

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Bible, he was going to give the JST, the Joseph Smith Translation. But that contradicts what

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God said in his word about his word, that it would never perish or fall away, that he would in fact preserve it. Well, perhaps it would have been preserved by the

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Restoration. It was preserved long before Joseph came along. So in other words, like I said, you mentioned translation to translation to translation.

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We can go back to just say the New Testament. We have over 5 ,700 Greek manuscript copies and pieces of the

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New Testament record itself. Over 19 ,000 early translations, and the early church fathers quoting from the

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New Testament copiously in their journals, and councils and creeds, and their sermons. You can create the

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New Testament essentially just from the church fathers quoting it. So we haven't lost the

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New Testament. The thing is that a lot of Christ's words, Christ didn't write anything.

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He never wrote down any words. This is from word of mouth. You played the game telephone, right?

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Yeah, but that's not how the Bible came to us though. No, exactly. But it was a lot of the prophets, a lot of the apostles wrote down their teachings of Christ several years after they heard him say it.

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Through divine inspiration. Yeah, through divine inspiration. So God did that. Yeah. So same with the Book of Mormon, divine inspiration.

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Well that's what Joseph claims. But how do you test Joseph as a prophet? How do you test him?

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As a prophet, personal revelation.

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That's what I'm doing. What would you say to the Jehovah's Witness that says that he has personal revelation that Jesus is

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Michael the Archangel, the first and greatest creation of Jehovah God. Or would you say to the

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Muslim that says he has personal revelation that Jesus Christ is not the divine son of God. He didn't die for sins and didn't rise from the dead.

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They have personal revelation of that. What would I say? What would you say to the Muslim that says he didn't die and rise from the dead?

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I'd say we both have our own sort of beliefs on the situation. When the

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Muslim says to you, he says, Jesus is not the divine son of God, but I believe in Jesus and he didn't die or rise from the dead.

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What would you say to respond to that? How would you respond to it? How would I respond? Yeah. Well, what

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I would say is I would say, well, I personally believe that he is and that Jesus Christ is the son of God and he rose from the dead and he suffered through the

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Garden of Gethsemane and died on the cross for our sins and he is our savior. If he responds by saying that,

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I'd say, well, listen, we both have our own beliefs on the situation and I'm never going to be able to, psychologically, you will never be convinced of someone else's opinion because you'll start to fortify yourself in your own belief because you feel attacked by it.

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Or if you don't feel attacked, you won't change your opinion. I'm not going to be able to change that guy's opinion.

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If he doesn't want to believe what I believe, that's perfectly fine. What if a guy came to you in your church, a friend of yours at the ward, and he said,

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I'm sleeping with my girlfriend outside of marriage. We prayed about it. We feel like we have a revelation from God that is perfectly appropriate for us to have sex outside of marriage.

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Would you say, hey man, that's your belief, man, I'll leave you to it? Or what would you say to him? I'd say, well, did you know that that's not supposed to be happening?

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How do I know? Well, have you read the Bible? There you go. There you go. Did you see what he just did? No, the words of God.

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Did you see what he just did? That was right on. I'm saying, right on, man. When I touched a subject that didn't relate to Joseph Smith being a prophet,

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I talked about sexual morality, your first response was, no, the Bible says. But when you're talking to the

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Muslim, and he denies Jesus Christ died and rose again, you said, well, no, my experience tells me otherwise. But you didn't say what you just said, but the

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Bible says. What's interesting, and I mean this in a sense of encouragement to you, because I care for you, Joseph came and said,

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Jesus Christ is Lucifer's brother. He's one God among many gods. You can become a god one day yourself, right?

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He said, salvation is not by grace alone through faith in Christ alone, as Paul says. It's by grace after all you can do.

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Now, what you and I should do with Joseph's revelation is go to what God says and say, what did he say? That's what you do with the sexually immoral guy.

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But you didn't do it with Joseph. Well, what I would do with Joseph is, I explained to him earlier, was that Joseph Smith claims to be a prophet.

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Right. And how would I know he's a prophet? Well, you know him by his works. And you know that all things that are good are of God, and all things that are bad are of Satan.

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That's a direct parable from the gardener. I'm forgetting the name of the parable.

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Parable of the sower. Yeah, the sower. Thank you. You know him by his works. Everything good is of God, and everything bad is of Satan.

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For one thing, that's one assurance to me. What I see the church, the church is good, so it has to be of God.

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Because I believe people who aren't part of my church have the gospel. I believe you guys have parts of the gospel, and I have parts of the gospel.

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And I believe that we're all Christian people, and we're all doing good things. So I'm not of the church of the devil?

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No. My creeds aren't an abomination? No. So you deny the first vision? I do not deny the first vision.

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Joseph said, join none of the churches, they're all wrong. Their creeds are an abomination, their professors are corrupt. They draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

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I believe everything those Christians believed. Okay. Do you see what's important there, is that there is a distinction that Joseph taught and Brigham taught, that I'm of the church of the devil,

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I'm wrong. Now as a 21st century Mormon, you want to be a lot more loving and gracious and not hold to those things, but that is in fact the official teaching of your church.

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And I think what's important here, just in terms of like the most important thing, is not our little differences and disagreements like over coffee or anything like that, but in terms of like, who is

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God, and how do I come to know him? Because Joseph said, my God is false. He said, my gospel is false.

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And I actually am happy to see him be honest about that. And the Bible does teach that if you have a false gospel, you are accursed.

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And that false gospel that Paul was addressing there in Galatians chapter 1, was a gospel that said, Jesus is

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God, he died and rose again. But it's not just faith in Christ alone for peace with God, it's also faith plus this one work of the law in order to be right with God.

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So it's not just faith in Christ and his work, but it's also my own works. Paul says, that's a false gospel, eternally condemned by God.

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If you choose that route, you're under the law to fulfill the entire thing. Joseph taught a false gospel, and that's how you're supposed to compare him.

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Do you know the time? It's 10 to 2. I'm going to be leaving very shortly. That's okay, that's okay.

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So here's the, since you're leaving soon, here's the fundamental issue. In 2 Corinthians 11, just,

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I know this is a lot to throw at you, but 2 Corinthians 11 verses 3 and 4, Paul warns the early church, it's like 20, 30 years after Jesus, no, 30 years after Jesus died and rose again, he warns them that he was worried they'd be deceived, and somebody would come in and preach another

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Jesus, another gospel, another spirit, and they would put up with him. That's in the first century. He also said that, speaking to the people of Corinth, he was saying that people were claiming that they were followers of this prophet, or this guy had baptized them, so they were, they were baptizees of blank.

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I'm of Paul, I'm of Apollos, I'm of Peter. And all of that. Yeah. And he claimed that we are all of Christ.

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So we are all followers of Christ in our own way. Which one? Jesus, Satan's brother?

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Or the eternal? Jesus Christ is the only Christ. Oh, I know, okay. Well, I just gave you one example of a Jesus that you disagree with.

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The Muslim Jesus didn't die and rise from the dead. No, that's their, it's not a different Jesus.

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They're claiming that the Jesus Christ is not the Son of God. I claim the Jesus Christ is the Son of God. So which one is true?

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My personal belief to me is true, and to him, he thinks differently. So Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, and the life.

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No man comes to the Father but by me. He said he was the only way to the Father. You believe that you can come through other false

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Christs to come to the Father? I don't believe that, um, let me state this.

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I've never been the kind of guy who tries to show up and prove people wrong. That's not how I've been. I've been talking to him for a long time, and I'm talking to you now.

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No, I appreciate that. I really, very much, yeah, yeah. You guys are very kind, and I'm very glad, I love talking doctrine, um, but what

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I like to do is I like to hear people's views. And I'm not gonna change my view, and I don't think you're gonna change your view, um, but the thing is that, uh,

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I, I don't get nitpicky about my gospel a lot.

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Um, what I believe is in the ten articles of faith. Um, those, that's, the ten, the ten articles, the thirteen articles of faith.

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Thirteen. I was wondering, yeah. Sorry. I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. The thirteen articles. I was like, is there something new that's coming out recently?

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I'm really tired. Yeah, it's okay man, it's alright. I'm following you. The thirteen articles of faith. Right. Those sum up basically what it is.

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I don't believe, I don't have to, um, cause if I don't understand it, I won't claim that I understand and know every single thing every prophet or apostle or anyone has said in my church.

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And that's not what I'm expecting of you, but like, just briefly, the fundamentals. The Jesus I believe in is the creator of Satan.

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John chapter one, he created everything in existence, and all things came into being through him. Nothing's come into being except through him.

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That's Jesus creating Satan. Your Jesus, Joseph's revelation, is Jesus is one

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God among many gods. He is the brother of Lucifer, right? Those are two different Christs opposed to one another.

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And so do you see the important issue there? My wife gives him a clap, if I may. By the way, I know you have to leave, so I want to give you this.

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Alright. Get a hold of me. You said you'd be willing to look. You said you'd be willing to look. Just read through it so you see what we're saying.

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Appreciate your honesty. And look at the references, check us out. Check the references in context, make sure we're referencing the right place, and then check those verses out in there.

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Okay? I just want to, I want to leave you guys with saying, I love Jesus Christ, he's my Lord and Savior, and he has guided me in my life a lot.

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Which one? The Jesus Christ. Satan's brother? No. The one and only. The one who died, the one who didn't die on a cross and rise from the dead?

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Listen. Michael the archangel? He died on a cross. I don't know why you keep jumping to that. Those are all different Christs.

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He keeps coming back to the same one. That's the thing I was going to say. This is LDS. I am LDS. I'm also an

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LDS. He just gives, he just gives. But you know, consider what I just said to you. That's important, right? There's only, there's only one Christ that can save.

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You would fundamentally agree. I would say to you that my wife knew a guy named Jesus in Argentina. I'd say, oh yeah, yeah,

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I know that guy, Jesus, yeah. Oh, he's got three daughters. Oh yeah, yeah, that's him, that's him. Jesus, yeah. But he's got, he's got blue eyes and black hair.

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Oh no, no, no, that's a different Jesus. He's also got a son. Oh no, no, we're talking about a different Jesus. They actually call him

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Jesus. We're talking about Jesus. He doesn't go to the Bible. What does the Bible say?

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The Bible? He goes to parts of the Bible. He goes to parts of the Bible. See, the thing is.

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Stephan, we've done this for over 10 years and you've never provided a response. Okay. Can you answer John 1, 1 through 3 right now?

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Do it right now. Here you go. Ready? In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

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All things were created through him. Nothing came into being that's come into being except through him. Go ahead,

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Stephan. It's your one chance. It's your one chance. Read the whole Bible. I just gave you a verse. What's your response? No, read the whole Bible. Okay, let's read

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John 1 through 18. 1 through 18. No, I won't. How about John chapter 5 verse 28 and 29?

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Fantastic. But we're talking about which Jesus? Because I love him a lot. We're talking about the Jesus of the

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Bible. Yes. The eternal God. The eternal God. The same Jesus. The one that created Satan? Or is he

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Satan's brother? God the Father. Okay, answer John 1 because it says Jesus created Satan there.

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I'm going to answer John 1. Look, I don't put words in your mouth. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm letting you answer.

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Stephan, I'm letting you answer. The first member of the Godhead, the

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G -O -D -H -E -A -D, which is in the King James Version of the B -I -B -L -E. Stephan, you've used that for 10 years.

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God the Father. Right. He is your Father. He is my Father. Does he have a God before him? Yes. Gotcha.

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So that contradicts Scripture flat out. Isaiah 43 .10. Before me is the Word of God. It's written on the sign right there.

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Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Over 10 years, you've never provided an answer. I've said read

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Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. There's the answer. Did God say that? Did God say that?

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Yes. Is it true? Through Isaiah. Is it true? Yes. In the context that it's given. And in the context that it's given, he's the only

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God. There's none before and none after. The first, the last. No Baal. No Ashtoreth. Or anything else.

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No Chimosh. Or anything else. Okay, let me ask you. What are the names of the gods that are in the Bible? Well, you have the

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Father. He's one God. The Son is one God. And the Holy Spirit are three distinct personages and three gods, according to Joseph and history of the church.

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So three gods of this earth. Uh -huh. So we don't worship Ashtoreth. No, you worship three gods.

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We don't worship Baal. You worship the three gods of this earth. The three gods of heaven and earth. The three gods of this earth.

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But the God of the Bible says that he doesn't even know of any other gods. In other words, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. No, no.

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He says, I don't know of any other gods. Well, let's see. You can say three gods, one

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God. Well, just take it in. Take it in. Don't, don't, don't. Yeah, don't smoke screen it. I want to hear you answer.

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I cannot answer to your satisfaction. Because your beliefs contradict the text.

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Yes. Yes. Just as you cannot answer an atheist to the atheist's satisfaction.

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Sure I can. Now, you mentioned. Christianity needs to be defended because it's in the Bible. Just a minute. Yeah. You've mentioned that you had a debate with the founder of freedomfromreligion .org.

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Yes. An atheist. Yes. Is he a Christian today? No. Dan Barker?

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No. No, he's a, he's a rabid militant atheist. Sorry. Watch out. Excuse us. So question.

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Are you now an atheist? What's that? Are you now? He's not a Christian. He's still an atheist.

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Right. You're a Christian. You're not an atheist. Which has nothing to do with the Bible. No bearing on the truth.

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What I'm saying is that you and he are of the same opinion, even after your debate.

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What's that have to do with Isaiah 44 .6 or 44 .10? I'm, I'm not. Or 43 .10? I don't go by.

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But that's what we're talking about. I don't go. No, that's what you're talking about. That's the verse I asked you to answer. You told this young man.

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I answered you. You told this. You told this young man. That Ashtoreth and Baal are not gods. No, he goes beyond that,

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Stephan. He says that he's the only God in the heavens above and on the earth. You don't believe that either.

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He's trying to communicate to an idolatrous and an adulterous

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Israel. By telling them he's the only God. There is no other. Yes. None before. Yeah. None after.

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He doesn't know of any other gods. You don't believe that. But you, well, the

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Pharisees would tell Jesus the same thing. No, no, no, no, no. You blaspheme. The Pharisees and Jesus, the

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Pharisees and Jesus both were monotheistic. Yeah. And they accused

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Jesus of blasphemy. They accused him of being a devil, of which I've heard that you and others have accused us of being a church of the devil.

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No, no, no. That's what your book says about us. You're getting it confused. There's a church of God and a church of Satan.

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I've heard plenty of people here on the corner say that we, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day

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Saints, is a church of the devil. But you don't have any problem with that because you. I never did turn this thing on. But you don't have any problem with that,

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Stephan, because your church teaches that I am of the devil. No. Yes. Do I need to pull the reference?

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I am saying that anyone who bears false witness and tells half -truths about other people's churches is not of God.

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Oh, yeah, I believe that. Not because you're a Baptist. I believe that. You need to have integrity when you're representing somebody else's beliefs.

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You've got to tell the truth. Amen. The whole truth, not half -truths. Agreed. Do you know the definition of a half -truth?

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Why don't you tell me what you mean by it? Okay. A half -truth. Stephan, I want to just, before we go any further.

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My wife used to say, brain drain. Yeah. I just want to point out to you that we're doing what we normally do, and we've done this for 10 years,

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Stephan. I give you texts of Scripture. You don't have an answer, so you change the subject. I give you a whole.

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I'm giving you the opportunity to respond, Stephan. So respond to the texts. No, I'm not going to respond.

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And that's why we're not going to continue the conversation, because you have no interest in actually engaging the text of God's Word.

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You want to obfuscate and smokescreen and challenge without answering specific texts. And I love you, but I'm not going to let you take my time away from people

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I need to reach. You don't have a Bible -reading plan. I've shown you four of mine, and you haven't shown me any of yours.

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Stephan, we're here to tell you the truth. And what you have to notice is that when I give you texts from Scripture, you have no response.

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All you can do is... No, you have not. I say, we do not worship Baal. We do not worship

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Chimosh. I know that, but it goes farther than that. God says, no God was formed before me, and none will be formed after me.

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You don't believe that. No stone gods, no wooden gods. Wait a minute. No metal gods.

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That was in Isaiah 43 .10. I'm going to show you how your interpretation doesn't work. Listen to it. I'm going to put your interpretation into the text.

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Listen for it. You just said, no stone or metal gods will be formed after me.

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That was in Isaiah 43 .10. Has anybody made any stone or metal gods since Isaiah wrote that?

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Yes. Thank you. Men have. Thank you. But God has not. Thank you, Stephan. You have to see.

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You have to see that your position is built not upon God's revelation, but upon Joseph's revelation.

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Yes. Two gods. And the Holy Ghost. Three gods. Well. Three gods. That's how you see it.

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And then the Father had many gods before that, and you can become one one day. Okay.

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It's blasphemous. I love you. God says you're never going to make it. No. And, Stephan, listen.

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You've been given over 10 years so much light, and you haven't responded to any of it. You're still in darkness.

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I'm going to let God respond to you. Then give me his word. Then what's your response to God saying that he's the only one in the heavens above and on the earth below?

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The whole Bible. Stephan, giving me numbers on a page doesn't answer the question. I'm telling you.

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It doesn't answer the question. The whole Bible. It doesn't answer to your satisfaction. I'm giving you an opportunity to defend

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Joseph's revelation. He said that we've imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity.

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I'll refute that idea and take away the veil so that you may see. Yeah. But God had said long before Joseph came along that he was

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God in the heavens above and on the earth below from eternity into eternity. He contradicts

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Joseph chapter and verse. And you've received the message of a man from the 19th century in New England over the word of the living

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God. May I say something, please? Yes. The Pharisees say that Jesus contradicted

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Moses. And you know Jesus did not contradict Moses. I know Jesus did not contradict

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Moses. Jesus' condemnation of the Pharisees and the religious leaders of his day in Mark 7 was that they were contradicting

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Moses. Exactly. Right. And he could demonstrate it. And I think you are contradicting Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

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Okay, ready? I'm going to give you a text from Matthew. A man comes to Jesus and he says, what's the greatest commandment in the law?

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And Jesus says, hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. The same thing I say. And you shall love. That's right.

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There's only one God. Okay. Wait, wait. What else did he say? The response of the man to Jesus was that you're right.

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There is only one God and there's no one else but him. In fact, when one of them said, good master, what must

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I do to attain eternal life? He said, why callest thou me good? There is none good but one.

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That is God. Wait. He was saying he himself was not God. Wait, wait, wait, wait. If you want to take that lockjaw literally. No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Let's let that, let's let Jesus speak for himself here. Yeah. Ready? So, you quoted the text where he says, there is none good but God.

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But one. That is God. Take it a step to the right. Yeah. There is none good. He said, why callest thou me good?

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There is none good. So, are you saying, are you saying Jesus wasn't good? Oh, he was good. Then he's God. Yes. Because there's only one good.

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Who? God. God. Well. Do you see what he did with that text? Well, wait a minute. What about what Jesus said when he said, those that have done good under the resurrection of life.

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Wait, wait, wait. Do you see what happened there? Those that have done evil. It happened again. You're not answering John 5, 28 and 29. I want to show you again.

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Ten years we've been doing this. I give you a text. It refutes what you said. I give. And you go to the next text.

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And I give you a text. But I want to, I want to show you. I give you my apologia. Yeah. You won't accept it. No, I demonstrated to you that your attempt to make

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Jesus look like he wasn't God just fell flat because of the text. I'm not saying that.

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Then why'd you bring it up? I'm saying because you take this first lockjaw literally. I do.

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And you won't take that other first lockjaw. And I take it literally too. Jesus is good. He was pointing out to the man who he was talking to.

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Why? Why do you call me good? There's only one good. That's God. That's God. Right. So why are you? No, no. Hold on.

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Is Jesus good? Yes. Then who is he? He's the second member of the

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Godhead. Let the text speak. Let the text speak. He's the second member of the Godhead. Which is? He is? Where are you guys? Gone.

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Right. Let's go. According to Jesus, literally, lockjaw, like you said, in the text, who is Jesus?

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God. He's good. Yes. Thank you. So I want to point to you once again.

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So does the Book of Mormon say that he's God? Of course. And then because it is contradictory inherently, it says elsewhere that he's one

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God among many. This is the last night, so we can try to find out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I love you.